Just an idea....

[ollie]

Instead of going 1:29, it could be VERY nice to see some of White Pass Alcos as models. I know that LGB does these but they are way too short and distorted protions. This would be especially nice knowing that there are both with conventional cabs and wide cabs and they have been various paint jobs....  I guess these would be pretty ideal modern power for garden roads....
What do you think of the idea?





I don't know about you guys, I think these units would be very cool snaking around the lawn......

[scottychaos]

yeah, they are cool locos  but I see several major problems with them, when it comes to making them in Large Scale..

1. they are 3-foot gauge, so technically they should be 1/20.3 scale, which would make them HUGE! they wouldnt fit well with the majority of Fn3 scale offerings.

2. Most Fn3 modelers model narrow gauge steam, they probably wouldnt be much intested in a diesel..doesnt fit their era or location.

3. Most large scale diesel modelers model in 1/29 or 1/32..a 1/20.3 diesel would be of little interest to the diesel guys..it wouldnt fit the rest of their fleet..wrong scale..(look at the Bachmann Fn3 centercab diesel..generally considered a sales failure)

4. If it was offered in 1/29, no one would be very interested because it would be a 3-foot gauge engine in the wrong scale..the 1/29 guys would rather have a genuine standard gauge Alco C420! as opposed to a 3-foot gauge Alco that looks somewhat like a C420.

so no matter what, it would be an orphan and just wouldnt "fit" with much of anything else..

I can think of about 50 other locomotives (steam and diesel) that would be more welcome..

sorry! 
just my opinion..

Scot

[Kevin Strong]

I like the idea, but--as Scot suggests--these locos would be HUGE!  They're 10' wide at the cab, and 50' long. They'd be comparable in size to a K-36 or K-37. 





That's the B'mann 2-8-0 in the middle. When you see something as massive as a K-37, it really does border on "too big." Remember, size was the "big" problem with the B'mann 45 tonner, and the White Pass diesel would dwarf that. I think they would best be taken on by Accucraft or someone like that. Something that big will have limited appeal to those with even average sized railroads.

Nothin' wrong with dreamin', though. I'm still dreamin' about a plastic EBT mikado.

Later,

K

[Matthew (OV)]

I know other folks don't go for this, but personally, I don't care.... that's one of my personal favorites as locomotives (diesel) go, and I'd have to have more than one of it too!

This is as close as I've been able to get so far:


(Just don't release it the same time as the K-28, I'll go bankrupt.)

Matthew (OV)

[ollie]

Well my idea was to offer something else than steamers, don't get me wrong I like steamers but I guess my  generation or younger have not seen steam engines that often but though compared to a GP, these alcos look a bit weird, but they are I guess more regonizeable for us who are used to diesels.. What about myself? I would love to see these units snaking around on my garden, maybe I will adda few large bolders and a grade........, and perhaps a little later a GE Showel nose to go along.  Yes dreaming is free,but this one not that off the rails...

[Maine 2 Foot]

Kevin, what is that forney looking model in the picture with the K37 and the Bachmann 2-8-0???   I want one!!!!!!!


Vince

[Kevin Strong]

It's an Accucraft Ruby kitbash I did a few years back.

http://www.mylargescale.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21420

Accucraft is doing a Forney variant of their Ruby, which should be out later this fall or thereabouts. It'll need some proper detailing to be sure, but it's a start. It'll be live steam, so think of it as an excuse to get your fingers burnt.

Later,

K

[ollie]

Not letting this topic go....

What I was figuring was that these could be scale alternatives to 1.29 stuff which ought to be 1.32 scale considering the gauge. Knowing this distort, it does give me some hard time give that scale a serious stab.

One cool thing started out by a German specialist on H0-scale narrow gauge equipment was that they started to concentrate on producing models from a few prototypes, thus there has been a lot of growing interest on the very scenic Swiss RhB and that line of Bemo roducts from that prototype. LGB have jumped on that train too and every year presents something new from RhB prototype. To my knowledge White Pass as a prototype for a line with new products would be more than perfect. Scenerywise as interesting as the NG lines in Colorado too.

It has had a lot of interseting steam and from to more modern power with wide cabs, all in scale and with a narrow gauge charm.

[scottychaos]

Not letting this topic go....

What I was figuring was that these could be scale alternatives to 1.29 stuff which ought to be 1.32 scale considering the gauge. Knowing this distort, it does give me some hard time give that scale a serious stab.

How can they be "scale alternatives to 1.29 stuff" when they shouldnt be 1/29 or 1/32 scale, but should be 1/20.3 scale because they are narrow gauge locos??
they would have nothing to do with 1/29 or 1/32 scale..
so your comment that "these could be  scale alternatives to 1.29 stuff" makes no sense..

Scot

[Matthew (OV)]

While I'm not sure that it refutes the "too big" argument, I think what Ollie means is that if you were to produce a modern diesel in 1:20.3, it would be correctly scaled, whereas the current offerings in 1:29 are not, technically, correctly scaled. 

With 1:20.3 models of White Pass equipment, there would then be correctly scaled models of modern diesel prototypes, and one would be able to model what he (and he's not alone) consider to be as interesting a railroad as those found in Colorado using those models.

I think the confusion comes from the fact that Ollie's halfway 'round the world, and while his command of English is excellent, he tends to think differently than most of us when it comes to using it.

Personally, I'd love to see a widecab... no matter the size.

Matthew (OV)