Spectrum 2-6-0 box.
(assuming 4-4-0 box is the same)

Length - 32 and 1/4"
Width  -    7 and 1/8"
Height  -   9 and 1/8"

Scot

Phil, just a tip that might help in your search:
a 2-8-0 is a "Consolidation".. there is no such thing as a "Consolidated".

Scot

Which Mogul?
"spectrum mogul" or "industrial mogul"?
Scot

Minor tangent, that has nothing to do with the OP's questions!
A Shay is not considered an 0-4-4-0.
The Whyte classification system does not apply to Shays, Heislers, Climaxes and other "geared" steam engines, because they dont have traditional drivers,  pilot wheels, or trailing wheels.  Its one of the few drawbacks to the Whyte system, which otherwise works great to describe steam locomotives.

A Shay would technically be classified as a B-B locomotive, same as a 4-axle diesel.
A three truck Shay would be a B-B-B.

Scot

It's standard gauge, so you would want to build the model in 1/29 or 1/32 scale.
1/20.3 scale would make no sense..

44" driver in 1/32 scale is 1.37"
44" driver in 1/29 scale is 1.52"

Bachmann 0-4-0T has 1.32" drivers.
"Indy" mining mogul - 1.6"

"Lynn" 2-4-2 (out of production)    1.46"  
"Columbia"  2-4-2 (out of production) 1.59"    

I would go with the 0-4-0T and build the model in 1/32 scale..
and the driver spacing works out nicely too:



Would probably be easiest, and cheap, to just pick up a complete locomotive.
then you get a complete working chassis to build the model on top of..
trainworld has them new for $99.

Scot

Quote from: trainstrainstrains on October 13, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
About the locomotives depicted in the Chart:  
In  the real locomotives part of the chart the 2 foot gauge as well as the 7/8 n2 scale on the  Model locomotives part of the chart look very unstable because the track looks very small for their size. I suppose both the real and the model must be rather prone to tip over?

Not at all unstable!   In fact, the locomotive I chose for that chart is SR&RL No. 1, pretty much the smallest of all the Maine 2-footers.
So she should have been the *least* prone to tipping, due to her small size..The largest was SR&RL 23! check out the Number 1 compared to the number 23:



The 23 was 7.5 feet wide! on 2-foot gauge track. I have virtually every book there is on the Maine 2-footers,
and I am not aware of one single documented instance of a 2-foot gauge locomotive tipping over due to it being wide in comparison to
the track gauge..it simply never happened. (sure, they had derailments, but for the same reasons any other railroad has derailments.)
I agree, they do look unstable! but they were not in reality..low center of gravity, they stuck to that 2-foot gauge track just fine..

Scot

1833??
my first thought was "that cant possibly be right"..but it is!

Bachmann 175th anniversary HO scale boxcar:
http://hoscrape.seesaa.net/article/396491303.html

The 1833 date refers to the founding of a company that made things like hair brushes made of ivory.
then they got into plastics in the early 20th century, and made things like plastic sunglasses.
They started making model trains in 1968:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachmann_Industries#History

Scot

Quote from: norman on August 17, 2014, 07:25:16 PM

My belief is that your move to 1:20.3 scale torpedoed largescale.
1:22.5 ( actually 1:24 with the LGB rolling stock, USA Trains narrow gauge and HLW product ) was an excellent product size for both interior and outdoor layouts.

Norman

I know Jerry already commented on this, but I agree with him, that moving away from 1/22.5 and 1/24 and moving toward 1/20.3 has *helped* the hobby tremendously, not hurt it..Given a choice, I think most people would prefer models that are much closer to scale (or exactly to scale in the case of 1/20.3) than models that are significantly off, which was the case with models of 3-foot gauge trains in 1/22.5 and 1/24 scales..

So, 1/20.3 = much better idea.
sticking with 1/22.5 or 1/24 = much worse idea..IMO.

And, we really have to have two different scales in Large scale, one for narrow gauge, and one for standard gauge.
because they simply aren't compatible in one scale..it cant be done.
Narrow gauge has pretty much settled on 1/20.3 scale, thanks to Bachmann mostly, as it should, since 3-foot gauge is the most
modeled and most popular of narrow gauge gauges, and 1/20.3 is the correct scale for 3 foot gauge on 45mm track.
so that's definately the right choice for the "narrow gauge scale"..that half of the hobby is "fixed" nicely now.
I wont get into 1/29 versus 1/32 for standard gauge!

Quote from: norman on August 17, 2014, 10:16:05 PM

Even the track gauge of HO scale ( half of O scale ) is not exact.    

That is not correct..HO scale track is exact for standard gauge in 1/87 scale,
also correct for scale/gauge is HOn3, On3, On2, Fn3, 1/32, S scale, N scale, and lots of other scales..
There are more scale/gauge combinations that are correct, than there are incorrect.

Scot

Bob,
not sure what part of upstate you are in, but here are the clubs:

Genesee G Gauge Railway Society - Rochester area Garden RR club.
https://sites.google.com/site/1991gggrs/

Central NY Large-Scale Railway Society - Syracuse area Garden RR club.
http://www.cnylsrs.com/

Western NY Garden Railway Society - Buffalo area Garden RR club.
http://wnygrs.com/

Southern Tier Garden Railway Society - Binghamton area Garden RR club.
http://www.ray-taylor.com/stgrs/

Not sure if there is Albany one..there might be.


Im in Rochester..im a member of the GGGRS.
I have three Bachmann engines with the gear concern, One connie and two Spectrum moguls..
Only one of the three has a split gear so far, one of the moguls..but my Connie hasn't run yet!
its been on the workbench being 'bashed..its been cut up heavily, so I cant return it to Bachmann now!

Im planning to buy three gears and do all three locomotives at once..
One Mogul needs a gear, the Connie is already in pieces, so might as well do it while its already apart, rather than waiting for it to fail on its own..
and while im on a roll, I will just do the other Mogul too..these are probably the only three of these particular "gear problem" models I will ever own.

My club is always looking for members to demo or present something at club meetings..
I was considering seeing if other club members need gears too, and making a club activity out of it..
get several people together to do it all at once..share the pain/fun..
If I get that together, you are welcome to come along!

Scot

The lettering isnt decals...it is stamped-on paint or ink.
and yes, superclean works well:

http://youtu.be/PSgOCkMz_DE

Scot

Quote from: Chuck N on March 08, 2014, 09:45:12 AM
Just curious, with 3 other GG1s out there, LGB, MTH, and USAt, why do you think Bachmann should make one?

Chuck

And that's already two more than necessary..

Scot

$350 is WAAAAAY overpriced for a Lionel GP7.
Recent sales on ebay show them selling for $100 to $200.
Personally, I wouldnt pay any more than $100 for one..they arent that great,
and the USA trains GP9 is much better..

Scot

Do they also have a replacement gear for the Spectrum Mogul?
I need a Connie gear and a Mogul gear..
thanks,
Scot

There are two things you can do to fix the problem:

1. make the grade less steep.
and/or
2. shorter train.

Scot