good point. i am comparing it to others of the same thickness (mrc, radio shack, digitrax and the like). these are flat as they get. putting these into the bachmann ft-a and b and there is under 1/2 inch of height without demolishing the chassis . . . the high bass is great, but too big. regarding the baffle . . . . the short poland spring bottle caps, with the speaker upside down (cone in).