Ok for starters GG1 you were on the right track it WORKS!!! Thanks. On these it doesent seem as tho you can turn the axels 180 on the trucks due to the novelty driveline/gearing/pistons. So I rotated the truck top plate 180 degrees and so far been running smooth for an hour now. I thought I did this already and the trucks ran opposite of each other so I figured that couldn't be the problem. Thanks again it makes for a good Saturday!!!!