No tooling costs, Kader has the Aristo molds, make some locos.

Greg

Then, how about just making a few extra couplers and motor blocks during eggliner production?

That would be easy, and profitable.

Greg

Yes, but they are producing Aristo couplers and motor blocks with the Eggliner. 

Also, I'm not sure Bachmann appreciates the size of the market they could tap easily.

In any case I think more people will come forwards with these requests, and this seems to be the only place for consumers to put ideas forth.

Greg

Now that Bachmann will sell the eggliner, perhaps it could see the way clear to make a few extra Aristo-style couplers and also motor blocks?

I believe there is a large market out there for spare/replacement parts. The "guts" of the Eggliner motor block will service thousands of existing Aristo 2 axle diesels.

Couplers wear, and being able to purchase replacements is another unique market Bachmann can have, since the Aristo-style couplers have unique characteristics to keep from uncoupling, and a LARGE installed base of users.

Greg

I suggest those interested read this thread and see pictures with proof of skates, where the recesses molded into the gearbox are shown clearly.

http://www.largescalecentral.com/forums/topic/23713/old-bachmann-porter-pickups?page=1



Greg

Actually, the rear light should function as a brake light, so it's a little advanced as compared to the normal rear headlight function (as it should be).

The MOROP standard is a bit hard to follow, as for some reason, no "official" English translation is available, and the NMRA is really no help here, as they have had this standard "under review" since 2012.

I'm compiling the information myself, tracing out the connections.

Regards, Greg

I don't usually recommend anything left on the rails, but in this case, a light wipe with some kerosene or some other light solvent that does not evaporate quickly may help.

Greg

Can you please give a link where this standard is?

I want the "version" of the standard that matches the Peter Witt streetcar.

Alternatively, please give the definitions of all 21 pins of the decoder, including those not connected.

Regards,

Greg Elmassian

Thanks! I'm the question raiser 

Jack, I looked at the pictures, I count 11 pins on one connector and 12 on the other.

Is that correct?

Thanks, Greg

Tony and Stan maintain that Bachmann is right and Aristo is wrong, and Stan entreated me to call Tony Parisi at QSI (like I don't already talk to him once a week!)

QSI says Bachmann is wired differently from Aristo:

http://www.qsisolutions.com/news/09/bachmann-special-sounds-111809.html

All I have said is that Aristo created and used the socket long ago. Finding an old scrap of paper that is different does not remove the fact that there are tens of thousands of Aristo sockets wired a particular way. That is the de-facto standard. If you were to make a product to work in the socket, would you pick thousands or tens of thousands.

But, I'll still do the youtube video... just have not had time...

(this is really silly if you think about it).

Regards, Greg

Arguing is pointless, I will do a test to show what I say and will post on youtube for you.

All I am saying is that the connections on the pins in the K are backwards from the Aristo.

So who is the "standard", tens of thousands of Aristo locos over the years, or the way the K is wired?

Again, ONLY talking about the headlight and backup light.

Enough for now...

Greg

So Stan, since the headlight and rear light work correctly in an Aristo, how do you explain them working incorrectly in Kevin's K-27? No history lesson needed here, it can ONLY be that the K27 is wired differently.

The Aristo socket is the standard now, a de-facto standard, the wiring of it existing long before any Bachmann loco had a socket.

The QSI was designed to meet this standard.

If the Bachmann is not the same (which is true unless Kevin is dead wrong), then, the Bachmann product does not meet the existing standard.

You cannot come in 10 years later and say there is a NEW standard! Will Lewis Polk tell you all of his sockets are now wired backwards? I think not.

Regards, Greg

p.s. putting the chuff on pins already defined pins was not smart, you have an entire second connector to use, go there. Don't fight history, find how to co-exist with it.

Just a note.

The socket "standard" as far as motor polarity and lighting connections comes from Aristo. Sometimes motors are wired "backwards" in both Aristo and Bachmann with regards to the socket. Kevin found the basic control to correct the miswiring.

This is really common, unfortunately. Again, the problem is inconsistency of wiring in the locos, not a QSI problem.

The headlight thing is Bachmann, wired backwards. Otherwise, of course, all Aristo locos would be backwards. This seems to be a consistent problem in this loco, always backwards.

Again, DCC and QSI to the rescue to have the flexibility to handle these errors in assembly or design.

Moral: don't complain about all the CVs in a decoder, especially one with all these features, this extra "complexity" may save your butt in the future, like it did here.

One last bit of confusion: there is no separate "sound file". When you download firmware into a QSI, you are downloading an entire package, the control firmware and the specific sounds and settings you have selected. You can even customize some of the common CV values to different defaults, if you wish.

Well, it all seemed to end well, and Kevin got some of his first lessons in basic DCC and binary. Good for you Kevin, I'm happy to see you getting the hand of all this "DCC voodoo".

Regards, Greg

If you use the QSI programmer, it's no problem, and they give you 2 software packages, one does the sound downloads, the other sets's cv's.

If you are trying to program this unit on a DCC programming track, you might need a booster.

Try turning off the lights first, sometimes that helps.

Regards, Greg