Any rumors of new Bachmann steam?

[the Bach-man]

Dear All,
Mr Riley is Vice President of Product Development.
Have fun!
the Bach-man

[Hoople]

HA! I was right!

Well, did you pass on the request?

Let's hope so... I need (As stated twice before) two or three mikes and pacifics...

[John C]

I think on one of our threads (some time ago) perhaps about the 4-4-0 before it went into production, the Bach-Man stated that they didn't plan to manufacture items that a direct competitor was already marketing.  If that is the case, both the 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 would be no-shows - P2K already does those.  I think perhaps we should look at what Bachmann has already created in other scales?  Perhaps an HO version of the On30 Forney?  I would purchase a couple of Spectrum quality 2-6-0's if they were available, but I think that Athearn/MDC-Roundhouse is re-manufacturing theirs (although their stuff isn't nearly as nicely detailed).  Right now I'm content with my "pool" of 4-6-0's and 4-4-0's as well as the connies that were produced.  I'm sure that whatever they come out with in the Spectrum line will be a hit.

[nickelanddime]

I've heard that there may be a triplex in the future and the two names I've heard are Bachmann and Atlas. Though NKP never had a triplex I may be tempted to purchase one.

[SteamGene]

Why would anybody build a model of a triplex?  There were only three from two railroads, IIRC - Erie and Virginian - and they were all failures.
Gene

[lanny]

But Gene,

Just think how nice a triplex would looked double headed with your 'Big Boy' on your new layout hauling 3,000 or so hoppers upgrade

sorry, Gene, I just couldn't resist

lanny nicolet

[SteamGene]

You'll catch me changing to all modern first!
Gene

[palmettoLTD82]

Does anyone know of a webpage containing a diagram of the Maine Central Lt. 4-6-2 shown on the first page?  The MC 4-6-2 looks similar in size to the ACLO Lt 4-6-2s owned by the FEC and L&N (ex L.H.&St.L).  I'm curious to know how closely the MC locomotive dimensions compare to the FEC and L&N locomotives (the latter two share many key dimensions).   IF found to be similar, Bachmann would be able to offer a 4-6-2 for the MC, L&N, FEC (ACL, L&A, and a myriad of southeastern shortlines that purchased FEC 4-6-2s) in addition to any other railroads found to own similar ALCO 4-6-2s.  Bachmann's willingness to offer variations in details such as valve gear, cabs, tenders, etc. would make the ALCO Lt. 4-6-2 a viable candidate for a future model.  Oh well I guess we all have our own favorite locomotive wish list - mine being Baldwin Lt 4-6-2s, 0-6-0s, 2-8-0s, etc.........).  Thanks in advance for any feedback on the MC locomotive diagram.

Buddy Hill

[Andy Fekete]

i think that there is a major void in all affordable good quality loco lineups (not just b-man) i think that this void may only be filled with... (oh boy here it comes again some might say... ) CANADIAN STEAM! i think that b-man could definatly use a nice u2-g , u2-h or u4-a northern or a u1-f bullet nosed betty as all of these locos frequently hauled cnr "pool trains" to many us cities so the demand for them would not necissarily only be north of the border

in the mean time... let us canadians hope for the best!

[Eric_L]

The ALCO light 4-6-2 used by the FEC would be an excellent choice. It is generic enough to be similar to Pacifics used by many railroads. Also, these have never been produced before, not even in brass. It should be noted that a number of them survive today. Two outside of Miami in their original FEC livery, one in Albany Ga (Georgia Railroad), on in Duluth Ga (Savannah & Atlanta) and on in the Midwest somewhere. A historical note is that the ex-FEC 4-6-2 which became Savannah and Atlanta #750 was a key engine in the early days of Southern RR steam excursion  (1970's and early 1980's)
Eric

[ATSF5700BOB]

Good evening Mr. Bach-man, Mr. Riley and all.
  I would like to reply to several replies in this post , so please bear with me.
    Bob Rule, Jr. mentioned something about 0-4-0s, 0-6-0s, 0-8-0s, 2-6-0s.
He also mentioned something about being rail road specific, and prototype specific steamers. I don't want to retype his whole post as a quote, so I just thought I'd mention some of his post.
    I agree with rail road specific steamers. However, unless you go to brass models, and not that every one has the money for a brass steamer in any scale, not even ( I don't own one, might like to purchase one, and have only seen a picture of one on this site) Mr Bach-mans' new connie in HO scale  is not rail road specific ( unless there are engines that have a small package of parts to add on to the locomotive.)"  How can I say that?" you ask.
    I model A.T.S.F from  1950 to the BNSF merger in 1995. Any time that a certain  manufacturer has made a model of a Santa Fe steamer, the engine number boards are left off the engine. Also, on the back and sides of most of the tenders, except for the slope back switcher, the numbers are not on the tender, along with the fuel/boiler capacity. The other mistake most manufacturers have made is decaling the locomotive cab sides with numbers, instead of a small A.T.S.F.      The old Model Die Casting/ Roundhouse before Athearn acquired them has a 2-8-0, rail road specific, but not modernized.
   I am not in the market for Harriman style locomotives, either. I suggest if Bach-man Industries comes out with any more steam locomotives, and everyone is crying out for railroad specific steamers, that Bachman Industries at least include a small package of parts that is railroad specific to that particular railroad/ locomotive that the locomotive is modeled after.
  Just my thoughts on this, and  I am not, repeat, not trying to hurt anyones' feelings on this idea. Thanks for letting me bend your ears, and I must apologize for such a very long post. Hope everyone has a pleasant evening.
                                ATSF5700BOB
                 Home of the Saint Louis & Santa Fe in HO scale
                 Home of the seasonal Pine Tree Central in three rail "O" gauge

[Orsonroy]

Hmmm...where to begin with this one...

Bob Rule, Jr. mentioned something about 0-4-0s, 0-6-0s, 0-8-0s, 2-6-0s. He also mentioned something about being rail road specific, and prototype specific steamers.
I agree with rail road specific steamers. However, unless you go to brass models (and he trails off here....)

The era of completely generic models is LONG dead. Nobody wants a completely freelanced freight car, diesel, or steam engine. Based on how modelers are spending their money, we all LIKE an engine or boxcar to be a prototype of SOMETHING, even if it's not necessarily always lettered correctly. The tooling costs are the same for a prototype-specific versus a generic (and fictitious) steam engine, so why wouldn't a manufacturer make an engine that's at least very close to something that really existed? The customers are saying that they prefer these sorts of models...with their dollars.

not even Mr Bach-mans' new connie in HO scale  is not rail road specific

Actually, you're wrong: it is prototype-specific. At least it's about 80% prototype specific for about 100 2-8-0s that ran on the Illinois Central, one of the largest railroads on the planet (and I need to do a little more research, but I think that the engine is a standard Harriman heavy Connie design, which makes it appropriate for the SP and UP as well)

And you're missing the point about "prototype specific" models. A model should be (as I've noted above) as close to possible to SOME engine that truly existed in real life. The Bachmann Spectrum 2-8-0, that most modelers call "generic", isn't really generic, and fits the criterion of "prototype specific" pretty well. In fact, the 2-8-0 was Bachmann's first Spectrum line steam engine, and EVERY release after that one has been prototypically specific to at least some engine that really existed.

unless there are engines that have a small package of parts to add on to the locomotive.

Prototype specific doesn't mean "superdetailed". An Accurail six panel, single sheathed, composite boxcar model IS prototype-specific (it's another IC model), but it's detailing is crude as compared to a resin kit or an Intermountain boxcar. It's up to the MODELER (and this is MODEL railroading) to add any missing details. Heck, even brass engines can use some added or corrected details by my standards.

I model A.T.S.F from  1950 to the BNSF merger in 1995. Any time that a certain  manufacturer has made a model of a Santa Fe steamer, the engine number boards are left off the engine.

Not true. Check out BLI's ATSF 2-10-2, 2-10-4 and 4-8-4. They all have the train number boards on them. Even Roundhouse's old metal steam kits came with a (crude) number board casting.

Also, on the back and sides of most of the tenders, except for the slope back switcher, the numbers are not on the tender, along with the fuel/boiler capacity. The other mistake most manufacturers have made is decaling the locomotive cab sides with numbers, instead of a small A.T.S.F.      The old Model Die Casting/ Roundhouse before Athearn acquired them has a 2-8-0, rail road specific, but not modernized.

None of these omissions or inaccuracies make a model "not prototypically correct". They make the models badly or inaccurately lettered, but that's something that a MODEL railroader can easily fix.

I am not in the market for Harriman style locomotives, either. I suggest if Bach-man Industries comes out with any more steam locomotives, and everyone is crying out for railroad specific steamers, that Bachman Industries at least include a small package of parts that is railroad specific to that particular railroad/ locomotive that the locomotive is modeled after. 

That's not going to happen. As modelers have been voting with their dollars for high-quality prototype-specific models, they're also voting for RTR "no assembly required" models. The numbers of us MODEL railroaders who actually add aftermarket (or even add-on) details is shrinking pretty quickly. Bachmann's not going to bother with wasting their capitol by adding a huge baggie full of all sorts of detail parts to cover dozens of prototypes. That's what Bowser, Precision Scale, PIA and Greenway are for.

[ryeguyisme]

I hate to tell you but................THAT's not a USRA light Pacific in the photo!

Since Bachmann has done the Ma&Pa 4-4-0 & 4-6-0 I would like to see them do the Ma&Pa "heavy" 2-8-0's #41-42 as they ran in the 1940-50 period. Those are really nice, chunky looking Connies that would really fit in on a lot of smaller layouts too.


We could also use the Ma&Pa passenger/head end cars as no one makes a really nice open platform wood style car. The MDC/Athearn/Horizon cars aren't that great. Craftsman kits are the only way if you can find them.

My 2¢,
Roger

like Reading's 2-8-0 like they had in the past for standard only upgraded, perhaps even spectrum if we're lucky, i love the heavy READING connie look

[VTBob]

you mentioned a heisler for HO gauge, somewhere in the 20-30Ton range? I got a perfect example of a fully restored 28Ton 2-truck standard gauge.

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Incidentally, If anyone is going to be in the area of St. Johnsbury/Barnet, Vermont on Sept. 9th, we will be running the steam locomotive. It's the owner's birthday, so we're making it another 'historic' run. I'll be on crew, but armed with the video camera. Occasionaly I'll be on the pilot deck recording more for our portfolio.

If the above image didn't load, here's the link to the photograph.

http://download.lavadomefive.com/members/RDFlambouyant/hidden/Passumpsic.jpg

Thanks y'all,
Bob

[Jake]

I feel bachmann should add to their (small) line of HO Scale standard gauge logging locomotives, with two truck shays, 2 & 3 truck Hieslers, and 2 & 3 truck Climaxes, and 150 ton 4 truck shays. (Those actually did exist!!! Look! )