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#1
Jeffrey, you also came close to losing the Alco PA units as well.  I saw one almost every day on SP Train five, the westbound mail train that had once been the name train called the Argonaut.  In the early 1960s I did not know that those elegant units were running out their last miles on plug runs like No.5.  I only took a couple of photographs of them, but that really didn't matter since I lost all my photographs in a fire 20 years ago.

Today the GP30's, the SD 40s, and their rebuilds are the existing historic engines, and I have to remind myself when I see one go by on a local every now and then that those things are 50 years old now, like the SP moguls were when I was a kid.

But about the preserved steam engines today.  There was no orchestrated attempt to save a representative sample at all.  In multiple cases, the railroad just pulled the last one off the scrap line that was easy to get to, or chose one that could be easily be gotten into a park, explaining why so many preserved steam engines are medium sized and smaller.  And some railroads didn't save anything at all or only a couple.  The Missouri Pacific and the KCS only have one preserved steam locomotive each. Historicity didn't mean anything, not one New York Central Hudson was saved despite many, many pleas while there were still some around. The MP In 1950 had been in receivership for years and every ounce of scrap metal from a locomotive got them towards profitability. They came out of it the year after the last steam engine was retired and that probably had something to do with it. 

Historians are saying now that, despite there still being a good number of existing steam locomotives inparks, very few are being properly cared for, are deteriorating, and in the relatively foreseeable future most of them will be scrapped instead of saved.
#2
If anyone is interested, here are the Sanborn maps of my home town in 1952, The year I started paying attention to trains.

https://www.loc.gov/item/sanborn03375_011/

Map 1 is the entire town at that time.  It's actually pretty easy to follow since the SP is the main spine top to bottom and is all still there.
The Missouri Pacific is called either the New Iberia and Northern or the Gulf Coast Lines, its two earlier names before the MP acquired it in 1924.  All of it is gone today, the last train was in 1982.

Map 12 shows the engine house, water tank, and telegraph office.  To the right out of the city limits is the 3 track yard, a major sugar mill customer, and the line 50 miles north to the main.

Following maps 6,8,2 and 3 in succession you can see the street running down Fulton street to the freight house and a couple of bayou side warehouses just past.

Starting on map 12,and going through 11,7,9,10,17,13,11,19 you can see the eastbound branch to Franklin Louisiana than did street running down Pershing street for blocks, passing my high school, before finally recrossing the SP on the east end of town.

On these maps, the top is actually westbound, the right is north.

On map 1, only the major tracks are shown.  The individual maps show all the trackwork that was present at the time of the mapmaking.

Sandborn maps were and still are a product of the insurance industry to show fire risks.  The buildings are actually the main focus and you can see lots of buildings present in the year the map was made that aren't there anymore.  They are made for nearly every major community, they certainly exist for your town, and you can take a similar dive back into your own town in time and see what used to be there railroadwise, which I can tell you will probably be a lot that's gone now.

All of that trackwork on these maps in new Iberia was still there in the early 60s when I was railfanning on my bicycle.  I knew it all like the back of my hand, and I mourn its passing. To ponder these maps in detail is a trip back into my young days with lots of pleasant memories.
#3
Jeffrey, The last steam engines went away when I was almost 9 yr old but not before I got a good solid look at them. I got diverted by model airplanes for about three years and when I returned to trains at 12,  this time becoming a serious model  railroader, I went to the depot on my bike looking for the steam engines and they were gone.  So was the water tank and the water columns along the depot platform where so many times I'd seen the engines taking on water.
So my young railfan days were spent in the world that you got to know a little bit with first generation diesels all over the place. 

Out on the main line T&NO which very shortly became the SP, it was commonplace to see black widow F Units in ABBA consists on through freights, sometimes with high nose Geeps mixed in, no low noses of any kind yet, the bloody nose paint was just appearing. Orange and black SW7's and S2's worked the yard and the 2 locals that went out the Midland branch every morning and returned late in the day.

The Missouri Pacific across town was a branch line hub of sorts, the south terminus of a 50 mile branch from the former NOT&M mainline north , which from our town radiated to two subordinate further branches.  There was a sheet metal engine house, a wye, a 3 track yard, and a mile-long street running industrial spur, perfect to copy for a layout, but we didn't know that yet. Gray and white Geeps and solid black S2's worked there.

The MP crossed the SP twice, the west one with a manned interlocking tower whose story I've told here in the past in great detail.

So I had a good solid look at that first generation world familiar to older railfans today.  But I'm afraid I didn't appreciate it like I should have, because I was crying so hard for the steam engines so very, very recently departed.

#4
General Discussion / Re: Railroading 80 years ago
August 13, 2024, 08:36:45 PM
I wasn't born 80 years ago either.  Only 76.

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#5
General Discussion / Re: Railroading 80 years ago
August 13, 2024, 08:29:44 AM
Understood.  But the film is definitely worth watching. 

To Understand the present, you need to study history.  Especially with Railroading, its stature in historical times was much much greater than the basic bit player it is today in American transportation, not much a part of people's Everyday lives like it was before 1955 more or less .

Here's just some of the experiences with the railroads I had that younger people never will have.

1. Pacing a regular in-service steam locomotive at speed.
2. Watching a regular in-service steam locomotive take on water in the hometown.
3. Riding in a heavyweight Pullman on a regular service passenger train.
4. Watching the Limited that didn't stop on our town snag a mail bag from the mail crane.
5. Going to the depot to pick up a Railway Express package.
6.  Watching an over fired oil burning Steam locomotive shoot terrific flames out between the driver spokes.
7.  Hearing distant steam whistles at night steam pass through our town.
8. Hearing a distant steam whistle float in on the wind on a hot summer afternoon.
9.  Seeing depots in every small town.
10. Looking down the main line to the west in the sunset, knowing that you were watching a great artery of commerce in a great country.
11.  Changing trains in at least a half dozen of the great temple-like terminal structures that are lost today.

In the film are multiple shots of steam locomotives in a great hurry on the head end of limiteds and through freights. Even seeing it on low resolution film today Years later, the sight never fails to get me going, It's something that just can't be explained if you weren't there.

if you lived the railroads in the film like I did, today's railroading is only a very pale reflection, and you understand why people don't care for trains the way they used to.

#6
General Discussion / Re: Railroading 80 years ago
August 12, 2024, 05:32:18 PM
Any comments?  Or am I the only one left that has any memories of this kind of railroading?
#7
HO / Re: Re: 4-4-0 front coupler
August 12, 2024, 05:31:01 PM
Better for the user to remove the coupler instead of having the manufacturer making everyone else have to add a coupler to have an operable useful locomotive.
#8
Yeh, it's also my 2-10-0's causing the shorts at my No.4 switches.  I have six of them operating right now, with 3 in the shop, and they're my favorite engines, doing almost all of my work.  I confess, one of them is a brass engine, but it still does the same act at the switches.
#9
Much braver than I, sir
#10
General Discussion / Railroading 80 years ago
August 11, 2024, 11:58:13 AM
It was an entirely different world .  The railroads were everything to everyday life

https://youtu.be/YDk9EtOR8JI?si=2xRFwrS5ZH0Pevtt

Society's views were different.  Be prepared and understand the times.

The railroad action shots are priceless.  I remember nearly all of this just a few years later. When I was little the railroads were still the biggest deal in the country pretty much.
#11
That is a very well stated thorough and analyzed response, Jeffrey. The only thing I might add would be that the problem you describe in item 3 can also occur at insulated switch frogs where a wide wheel tire can momentarily contact the two opposite polarity rails, just like as the crossing as you described.  I have that problem with long wheelbase steam locomotives at my few No. 4 switches, whose installation I regret endlessly to this very day, but the same clear nail polish treatment solves it.  I did find that it's good for several years, but it wears off enough after time to require another application. However, that's probably less periodic maintenance than a real railroad would require at  a switch.
#12
You can get great sound in your engines without any soldering if you have a professional do the installation.  Unless you are a real technology geek and you have done this kind of work before, like building radio kits, the odds of you becoming frustrated and even ruining the decoder are relatively high.  The fact that you asked about doing only a little soldering prompted my answer.
#13
The "worm" is part of a gear train.    Use a light grease.  Liquid oil will spin off the spinning worm and will run all over the place.  And make a mess impossible to completely clean.  Believe me. I have made this mistake.
#14
There are different types of lubricants because there are many types of applications and one size does not fit all.9

Gears and axles want a grease type lubricant that won't run all over the place.  Steam locomotive running gear wants a molecule sized droplet on each of the points.  So molecular that a leprechaun could not see it with a microscope.  It is very easy to over-lubricate and eventually see it run all over everything.  I've done it and the cleanup is not only difficult, it's never really 100%.
#15
General Discussion / Re: DCC ready Chassis
August 04, 2024, 10:53:33 AM
"DCC ready" is quite possibly one of the most misunderstood terms in model railroading.  With "ready to run" being a close second.