I've been sitting on this idea a lot lately, and instead of making a thread for every Toy Fair/NMRA show, I figured it would be better to kill two birds with one stone to just make one thread where fans can share their thoughts or ideas for future product announcements in just one thread. And similar to the Everything Thomas topic, once the thread would be removed due to excess responses someone can start a new one and go from there, kind of like the old days.
Anyway, everyone knows the drill by this point so I'm just going to do a share my list from earlier with a couple of changes after the NMRA announcements last week and everyone else can join in and discuss:
HO:
More DCC and Sound engines - honestly, I hope that the Thomas and Percy models take off and more characters get the upgrade. The rest of the first 7, Emily and Spencer already have sounds for large scale, so expanding DCC and sound with these engines should be a safe way to go if tooling costs are becoming too expensive (especially looking at Ryan's). However, if Bachmann wants to wait and see how the Thomas and Percy models do first then that's completely understandable. I do think adding DCC and sound to the models is a great way to help Thomas fans get into DCC and might bring something new to the table with Thomas modeling too since it's rarely talked about, but that's just my opinion. If not maybe a similar module to the one we got in large scale would be welcome as well.
Normally I'd mention Stepney as the new engine tooling announcement but I have a feeling with Daisy taking a while to get out and Ryan still in production, I could see HO taking a breather for new engine announcements.
James' express coaches:
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For the next set of rolling stock in HO I think it would be wise if Bachmann brought their red express coaches back. Similar to the reintroduction of Gordon's express coaches, the red express coaches would also need an updated paint job. In addition, if Bachmann wants to label them as a new products, then I'm going to vouch for them to be called James' express coach and James' express brake coach since they were not only the names Hornby called them but it may also help these coaches be more marketable. James was often seen pulling these in both the model and CGI series too.
Narrow gauge:
Sir Handel:
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New open wagon:
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I already talked about both of these here, if you want reasons why all I'm for these:
https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=6q44ums4sruu237ldmnv0p9oc0&topic=37564.msg276101#msg276101
The only new thing I'll say about Sir Handel is that he is really the only new engine tooling I could see happening next year depending on how production is going with Peter Sam. Either way, the narrow gauge range is long overdue for a new engine tooling announcement, and here's hoping that Sir Handel will be picked next. Even if he was the only announcement in narrow gauge next year with no rolling stock included (including the new wagons I suggested), it would still make a lot of people very, very happy.
N scale:
Again, kind of like HO/OO I can see Bachmann taking a breather from giving the N scale range a new engine. That, and I feel the N scale range really needs to focus a lot more on rolling stock before even considering a new engine since S.C. Ruffey was the only piece of N scale rolling stock that was announced this year. I did a post on N scale rolling stock stock earlier, so feel free to take a look at that as well:
https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=6q44ums4sruu237ldmnv0p9oc0&topic=37564.msg276401#msg276401
Here's hoping we can see some of these find their way into the range next year.
For large scale, it's really hard to say and I don't collect the range so I'll keep it brief. They've been going for recolors as of late in addition to new toolings that offer recolor options. I don't collect the range but my moneys on LBSC Thomas and Origin James models for the next engine announcements. The red coaches got announced this year at the NMRA and we are getting some wagon recolors too, so I can see large scale taking a break from rolling stock announcements next year too.
I think it's a good idea to have all future predictions in one thread, so we don't have to make a new one after every single Toy Fair and NMRA anymore.
It's taking Bachmann two years just to finally get Daisy out there, and it might be the case for Ryan. We may not get a new engine announcement early in the year, but if we do, we could get a recolor like Sidney or Green Salty for HO Scale. As for rolling stock, Bachmann can bring the Explosives Van, Chocolate Syrup and Toffee tankers to HO Scale, as well as reintroducing the Red Express Coaches.
We may or may not get a new engine announcement for N Scale, but if we do, we're hoping the next engine would be Edward. James is getting released sometime soon, and we may see Toby unpainted by the end of this year. For rolling stock, we really need the Milk Tanker, and Henrietta to go with Toby. The latter seems much more likely in N Scale than Large Scale. We should also get the Red Open Wagon, Coal Wagon with Load, and a Brake Van.
I still don't collect Narrow Gauge yet, but they should finally announce Sir Handel, as well as making a new Open Wagon. Maybe the Green Carriage, and a Brown Brake Van.
I don't collect Large Scale either, but if they're wanting to do recolors, LBSC Thomas and Origin James are the way to go.
I definitely support the idea of this thread! I've outlined almost everything that I'd love to see join the Bachmann Thomas line in the coming years below:
HO Scale:
James with DCC Sound & Board
With the announcement of the HO Thomas & Percy with DCC Sound on Board, it would be great to see James added to this exclusive line-up. Yet, as others have stated, if Bachmann wanted to see how Thomas & Percy do with sales first, that's understandable. Either way, this product would be more than welcome!
Stepney the Bluebell Engine
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In terms of new toolings, Stepney has consistently been the number one engine who I have wanted to see next in HO Scale for a wide range of reasons. See my post on Stepney here: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,36975.msg272407.html#msg272407
BoCo the Diesel Engine
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As expressed in the BoCo or Diesel 10 thread, BoCo would be a natural addition, blending in wonderfully with many of the engines Bachmann had made in the past, especially Gordon, Edward, Bill, Ben and Duck. Along with Stepney, he is one of the few classic engines that Bachmann has not made. Furthermore, seeing that the upcoming Daisy model is retailing for $149, I think that BoCo could be financially feasible.
Diesel 10
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If the licensor still wants to push for engines from the computer generated era of the television series, even with the upcoming 2D reboot, then Diesel 10 would be good choice. The claw does raise some concerns in terms of pricing, scaling, and design. However, I'm sure that fans across the board would be happy to see a Diesel 10 model, as a character who appeared in both the model era and computer generated era of the television series.
Harvey the Crane Engine
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The other engine who appeared in both the model era and computer generated era of the television series that I would love to see is Harvey. As a crane engine, he would be a very unique engine. I could see Bachmann constructing him as a small tank engine, and then using the Bachmann Cranky as a reference when constructing the crane. All in all, I would purchase this one in a heartbeat, and I know that many other Thomas fans would too.
Winston
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Although I do not care for most characters from the computer generated era of the television series, I will admit that I would be very interested in an HO Winston, given its unique small size and design. Plus, when seeing what Bachmann has accomplished with very small models in the recent years such as the HO Narrow Gauge Rusty, N Scale Thomas, and N Scale Percy models as well as small models outside the Thomas line such as the Gandy Dancer, I am optimistic that an HO Winston could be a possibility for the future.
As Chaz also stated, I don't expect a newly-tooled HO engine to join the line next year, but those are the five that I would love to see for the future, nonetheless.
Troublesome Truck #7
Ever since the announcement of Troublesome Truck #3 in 2010, there seemed to be a three year trend on the announcements of Troublesome Trucks (#4 in 2013, #5 in 2016, #6 in 2019). Thus, given that next year is 2022, I think that Troublesome Truck #7 could be a possibility!
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Many fans were displeased with the choice of the last troublesome truck, as an African Tanker is not what was hoped for. For Troublesome Truck #7, fans would be much happier with an angry ventilated van, as seen in "The Spotless Record", or the tanker that was seen in the new motorized "Percy and the Tanker" pack, mainly because it consists of an iconic model series face.
Long Flat Wagon with New Load
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Considering that the logging flat wagon with logs has done very well with sales, I think that it would make sense to announce at least one more long flat wagon with a new load. Pipes, iron girders, and oil drums would work very nicely, as some examples.
Red Express Coaches
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Ever since Gordon's Express Coaches were reintroduced to the line, many fans have wanted to see the red express coaches return with the added yellow stripe. I also agree with those who have stated that it would be extra interesting to see the coaches titled as "James' Composite Coach" & "James' Express Brake Coach."
Gordon's Special Coaches
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On the topic of express coaches, I would also love to see Gordon's Special Coaches, due to the appealing dark blue paint scheme.
Explosives Van
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Out of all the large scale rolling stock that has not been made in HO Scale, the Explosives Van is the one I would really like to see brought to the smaller scale, as it reminds me of the vans from "Thomas and the Firework Display." On that note, if Bachmann wanted to change the design somewhat to match the vans from that episode, just as the designs of the HO and Large Scale Water Tankers differ slightly, that would be fascinating to see! Either way, I would definitely pick up more than one of these vans.
The Circus Train
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Finally, I think that it would be very cool to see Bachman tackle the circus train. Consisting of vans, flat wagons, and a cattle wagon, these colorful wagons would add a nice level of festivity to any HO collection or layout.
HO Narrow Gauge:
Sir Handel
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I have zero doubt that Sir Handel will be Bachmann's next narrow gauge engine with new tooling. Chaz already made a great in-depth post on him, so be sure to check it out!
Open Wagon (New Tooling)
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As far as narrow gauge rolling stock is concerned, I'd love to see a new open wagon tooling. Chaz also expressed thoughts on this that I am completely on board with.
Green Open Carriage
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Considering that the red and blue narrow gauge coaches turned out to be stunning products, the one other piece of narrow gauge rolling stock that I'd love to see Bachmann tackle in the future is the green open carriage. It is one of my favorites!
Resin Buildings
At this point, I unfortunately consider new resin building additions to be wishful thinking. Even so, I pasted a link to the post stating what buildings I would love to see enter the line for the future, nevertheless: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,34707.0.html
N Scale:
With N Scale still in its early years, there are too many products to list that I'd like to see. Thus, I will stick with what I would love to see for just next year.
Gordon the Big Express Engine
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With four engines currently announced for the N scale line, I think it would be excellent to see Bachmann tackle one of the larger tender engines next, and I could see no better tender engine to announce next than Gordon. He would easily be an extremely hot seller- no doubt about that, and I could see Bachmann scaling down the HO model when making it, with the computer generated face as the one main difference.
Edward the Blue Engine
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If big tender engines such as Gordon are too expensive or complicated to produce, Edward is definitely the engine I would love to see next, as a Plan B. His HO model is one of the best models in the Thomas line, and it would be wonderful to see how that model translates to N Scale.
Gordon's Express Coaches
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If Gordon were to be announced, it would definitely make sense to announce his express coaches. They are iconic pieces and would look very impressive behind Gordon at this scale.
Coal Wagon w/ Load, Tidmouth Milk Tanker, and Spiteful Brake Van
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These are the three pieces I would love to see announced next as a Plan B, with Gordon's Express Coaches as Plan A.
Large Scale:
LBSC 70 Thomas & Origin James
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Ever since the announcement of LBSC-70 Thomas & Origin James in HO, I've seen numerous fans state that they would like to see them made in large scale.
Toby's Museum Coaches
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With the red branch line coaches finally announced for large scale, I think that Toby's Museum Coaches are a given for the future, as they are recolors. Yet, they would be welcome additions, nonetheless.
The idea of a central thread for future hopes does sound good, and I'd love to partake in it by sharing a handful of options I personally hope to see in the near future with brief summaries of reasoning attached. Most of the contents are those that have already been frequently demanded by fans in recent years.
HO SCALE:
- Stepney - An iconic engine who has a reasonable size and fair levels of detail, as well as one of the few remaining Season 1-5 engines in HO Scale.
- Glynn - Taking into account Terence's point with Winston about small models being accomplished overtime, I feel that Glynn has at least some chance of being made. He would be cool to see in the future, and he would also be very much complementary with LBSC 70 Thomas and Origins James.
Like the others said, I don't think we will see a new engine introduced next year, but it would be nice to have either of the two mentioned.
- Tar Tanker reintroduction - An iconic tanker and easy recolor which has regularly appeared in past merchandise ranges.
- James'/Red Express Coaches reintroduction - Iconic coaches and easy recolors that can compliment the latest James revision.
- Judy and Jerome - I've always been puzzled as to why the Breakdown Train has never been made in HO Scale. Since Diesel 10 and Harvey have become frequent suggestions, Rocky would likely be too expensive to produce, and Ryan, Daisy and Origin James are being produced, I think Judy and Jerome would be worth looking into at some point. They would both be very profitable and unique options for new HO Scale rolling stock. Like Harvey, Cranky's mechanism could be used as a reference point.
NARROW GAUGE:
- Sir Handel - An iconic engine who is frequently demanded by fans and complementary to all Narrow Gauge engines released so far. I don't own any Narrow Gauge engines yet, but I would love to have Sir Handel by my first since he is my favorite of the bunch.
- Green Open Carriage - Like Terence said, this is an aesthetically pleasing product that would be interesting to see eventually produced.
N SCALE:Much like Terence, there's quite a bit I hope to see for this scale. I'll stick to what feels the most financially likely within the next year's length.
- Edward - A beloved engine who is similar in physique to James and can help make N Scale distinct from Large Scale. He would also be much cheaper to produce in N Scale. If he were announced, I would absolutely reserve him immediately.
- Tidmouth Milk Tanker - An iconic tanker and easy recolor which has regularly appeared in past merchandise ranges.
- Coal Wagon w/Load - With wagons having a lot of potential for recolors, I think this would be the best one to produce after S.C. Ruffey eventually releases.
- Red Coaches - Iconic coaches and fairly easy, profitable retoolings/recolors that have previously appeared in HO and will also be made in Large Scale.
- Henrietta - An iconic coach who would be complementary to Toby and can help make N Scale distinct from Large Scale. She would also cheaper to produce in N Scale. If she were made, I would imagine her having a GCI face unlike the HO Scale version.
- Brake Van (normal) - I personally think it is too early for this particular range to introduce too much gimmicky rolling stock, so it would probably be best to introduce a normal Brake Van before the Spiteful version. Graham Farish's tooling can be reused.
LARGE SCALE:
- LBSC 70 Thomas & Origins James - Probably the likeliest options for a new engine(s) in the foreseeable future. They're both iconic recolors and cost-effective options for a new engine without committing to a new tooling.
- Mavis - I would love to own a Large Scale version of Mavis, as long as they base her off the HO Scale model and avoid using the tacky headlamp from her last appearances. She's probably the most cost-effective option for a new tooling since Toby's chassis can be reused and her geometry is fairly simple.
- Toby's Museum Coaches - Like Terence said, these feel pretty likely and would be welcome additions.
This is a great idea!
I honestly am not sure what direction HO Scale will take from now on, as I don't see much that they haven't done. I would like to see Stepney and BoCo, but, like everyone else, I don't expect them next year.
I've already gone into depth about what I'd like to see in N Scale: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,35036.msg277513.html#msg277513 so my thoughts will be brief. I 100% agree with TerencetheTractor525's ideas on the next rolling stock, those are probably the things the range is missing the most at the moment.
I would like to talk a bit more about narrow gauge, however.
Locomotives
I think that Sir Handel is the best choice for next engine.
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He completes engines 1-5, and has the best render of the two classic characters left. I also really like him from a design standpoint, and think he would sell really well, just like Skarloey and Rheneas.
After Sir Handel, I believe there are two options for the next narrow gauge engine:
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I feel like both Duncan and Luke have a great chance of being after Sir Handel. Duncan is a classic character (and one a lot of people love), but he doesn't really have a great render, and after how Rusty turned out, Duncan could be a turn-off for a lot of people if he matches his render. On the other hand, Luke has a great render, which matches the other engines' renders pretty well as far as detailing. As far as I know, Luke was also one of the more successful newbies as well, especially with Season 17, although I don't know how that would translate to sales, considering he's a CGI only character. He would also go great with Yellow Rheneas. To sum up, I think both are good characters to consider. I know that I would probably buy both, but both are gambles in their own right (Duncan's awful render/Luke's Miller-era debut).
With that, I have a question for you guys. If you knew for certain that Duncan would match his CGI render if he were made, would you prefer him over Luke, or would that be a deal breaker on a Duncan model?
Rolling Stock
As far as rolling stock goes, there are only a few things that I personally would want to see. First off, I think new, more accurate open wagons would be a great choice! I'm hoping that, if they do make new open wagons, they'll do what they did with the carriages, and release two different toolings. One for the Brown Open Wagon, as they were more common in Series 4, and the one that Chaz suggested, because that was also in series 4 (both can be seen in Skarloey's train). I feel like both would be nice as well, because Bachmann has had a fair focus on the classic series stuff alongside CGI stuff.
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I also think that, for the Brown Brakevan to really make sense as a future release, having something that would fit with it's colors would make more sense than it by itself.
Another item of rolling stock I would like to see are the Blue Mountain Quarry trucks, fitting the slate theme, and with Yellow Rheneas and Luke (if he's announced).
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If they were released, I'd hope that they would be in the darker variants of the green and red liveries. One plus is that they also have a real-life basis!
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If all of these rolling stock options were released over the next few years, I would definitely look into purchasing 2-3 of each item.
I think that everyone's suggestions for the large scale stock are great.
It's really nice seeing everyone agree that Sir Handel should be the next narrow gauge engine picked next. Here's hoping he finds his way in the 2022 announcements, since I feel his announcement is long overdue.
Quote from: Kemptown Branch on July 18, 2021, 05:27:23 PM
With that, I have a question for you guys. If you knew for certain that Duncan would match his CGI render if he were made, would you prefer him over Luke, or would that be a deal breaker on a Duncan model?
I feel that from a logical standpoint, Duncan would make a lot more sense than Luke since Bachmann's proven to already have a good track record of giving classic characters priority over newer ones, similar to how Oliver was announced before newer engines like Ryan and Rosie. So on that same level I think it's almost a given that Sir Handel and Duncan would both be announced before Luke or any of the other newer narrow gauge engine characters get considered.
But to answer your question more directly, as much as I like Duncan more as a character, his CG render would be a deal-breaker for me, as I'm sure is the case for many others. While I personally wouldn't be as interested in Luke, I could see him selling better than Duncan since his design looks a lot more appealing for OO9 modelers and Thomas fans and I'd find myself purchasing a model of Luke sooner than a model of Duncan in his CG render.
Duncan would be a major deal-breaker if he was made based on his infamous CGI render, and would not sell well at all. Once Duncan eventually does get announced, Bachmann must base Duncan off his basis, Douglas.
Also for the HO Scale range, I brought up Samson and Bradford in another thread. Samson is a small and simple CGI character who had several episodes dedicated to him. Bachmann UK has the tooling for Bradford, like they did for Toad. It would make sense for Samson and Bradford to be announced together because Bradford is Samson's companion. Other CGI character suggestions I previously mentioned (who aren't too big or detailed) include Timothy, Norman, and Porter. With Ryan currently in the works, I don't expect a new tooling announced for the HO Scale range next year, but we could get a recolor like Sidney or Green Salty. With enough popular demand, Salty could be reintroduced.
I could definitely see Salty being reintroduced next year and Bachmann would just use that as their "new" engine announcement in 2022 (as much of a copout as that sounds). If they go down that route, then I think a shoe-in for the next HO engine tooling the following year would be Porter to go along with Salty similar to why Ryan was picked to go with Daisy.
That and I feel as far as CG era engines go, Porter would make the most sense since he's been used regularly in the CGI series after his introduction and thus would make him all the more iconic making him have decent sales like Ryan. That and admittedly I don't see Samson being nearly as popular or well received as Ryan or Porter if I'm being totally honest.
I can definitely see Bachmann taking a bit of a break new tooling wise for HO in 2022 with both Daisy and Ryan coming out using new tooling and of course Origins James. It would be nice to see Salty reintroduced into the line. As long as there's no more gimmicky recolours like busy bee James. I'd rather have a quite year with a few recolours for rolling stock then more items like that.
The red express coaches would be nice to see again as would the special blue coaches.
I do have alot of detailed thoughts regarding the rest of the range.
Sir Handel
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I think its safe to say Sir Handel should be the next engine. Personally I still want Duncan (CGI render or not, I don't care) I'm about what I can do with the model not what it looks like. As a story teller there's alot of metirial there for Duncan but either I am fine with. He also would complete the four little engines fleet.
Smudger
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If Bachmann want another easy recolour Smudger Is definitely the way to go. Even though I have big plans for Yellow Rheneas I know alot of people don't share that view of the first recolour in the NG engine range. Smudger would add a new character to the fleet and a simple recolour for Bachmann to produce during their bust periods whole working on other items like Sir Handel or Duncan.
Green coaches
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The Green coaches would be a welcome edition to the range. They were seen all throughout the model era and would look nice along side the other two coaches in the range.
Troublesome trucks
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Now this is something I have wanted for along time. Some Troublesome trucks in the NG range. Theres two designs that stand out to me (both based off series 4) A slate truck and an open wagon. With Bachmann redoing their box vans it would be nice if they redid their open wagon and adding a face just makes it all the more appealing. Same with the slate trucks. I know alot of us were disappointed when Bachmann released their slate trucks (based off the real ones on the Talyllyn railway). While I do appreciate they are accurate to the real life bases, they aren't accurate to the TV series but making a Troublesome slate truck would be the best of both worlds. A new TV series accurate model. The original slate trucks being available for those who want to make layouts based on the RWS or the Talyllyn railway. Plus people would buy multiple units of both Troublesome trucks similar to how we do with the HO Troublesome trucks.
Lastly for NG and this one is a bit out there.
The Refreshment Tea Room
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This appeared in season 7 in the episode The Refreshment Lady's Tea Shop. Which stars Peter Sam (who is due out very soon). This maybe one of those "gimmicky merchandise items" to some but this is what happens when it's done right. This would be a really fun edition to anyone's layout and collection. It would be prefect to display with Peter Sam and train shows and add a bit variety into the range.
Yes I'd still like the Brown breakvan and maybe a Blue Mountain quarry truck but theres not alot more I can add on those.
I now want to touch upon N scale.
Engine wise. I see either Gordon or Emily being the next engine they make. Both are strong characters in the show and part of the "Steam team" so it makes sense to produce one of these two next. Emily would complete the three scales like Thomas, Percy, Toby and James have being in HO, Large and N Scale however I know she will be a bit harder to make but I do think it's a question of when she's made and not if. I think its inevitable she will make it into the N scale range same a Gordon. As for rolling stock I haven't got anything really to add. Maybe a spiteful breakvan since he has become a popular selling point in both HO and Large scale.
As for Large scale as per Emily I think its a question of when LBSC Thomas gets made and not if. Also I think now Diesel and Paxton have been made in Large Scale its highly likely Iron 'arry and Bert will make their way into the range. If there was some new tooling available to be made, personally I'd love Bill and Ben. A great two for one on tooling. They are small and would be a great addition to the large scale range.
Personally I think the February announcement in 2022 will be fairly small given all the items we are still waiting to be released however I do think 2022 will hold alot of great things for the range as a whole, a few surprises and alot of things to keep us fans happy.
Yeah.
Salty being reintroduced to the HO Scale range would be Bachmann's perfect opportunity to announce Porter. Out of the CGI characters I mentioned, Porter would be the best choice, especially for when Salty does get reintroduced.
If Bachmann does another diesel shunter that isn't a 08, the ones I think would work are Den, Dart, Dennis and Norman.
Since everyone is talking about smaller engines, that made me thinking on how Bachmann can do Den and Dart, as they are a very unique design. Plus Hornby only ever did Dart, and I don't think it was accurate to how he was in the show. Plus that would one way closer to get all of the diesels from "Day of the Diesels" being completed in the line.
The other diesel shunter I would like to see if Dennis, as like most people said, there hasn't been a legit HO/OO model on the BR 11001 so far, and I think Bachmann could take this advantage to make it. As for why I said Dennis instead of Norman is because of the face. Remember when Paxton was made in the line a few years ago? The problem is that he has a smaller face compare to Diesel, and because of it Bachmann kinda had to make the face larger as they only made the tooling for Diesel as Paxton and Sidney didn't existed yet (which is what I fear if they did Sidney next as it be botched like with Paxton). If Bachmann did Norman first instead of Dennis, it would be a repeat of the Paxton problem. The only way they can get around this is if Bachmann made both Norman and Dennis at the same time (like when they made the large scale Diesel and Paxton) and they can figure out how to make the same tooling fit for both engines without making the smaller face being out of scale.
After many months, the Bachmann forum is back! And the layout is completely different!
If we get any recolors for HO Scale, we could get Sidney or Fernando, using Diesel's tooling, or Green Salty. For N Scale, I'm hoping we can get Henry, or the Express Coaches for Gordon.
Beau was a complete wildcard announcement, but his tooling exists. Rebecca will be the first NEW tender engine for HO Scale since Donald and Douglas.
Hello, everyone! First time poster, long time lurker. I was encouraged to join by my good friends, Chaz and TerencetheTractor525.
I have most of the items in the N Scale range, and I was excited at hearing Gordon's announcement.
The next engine for N scale I'd like to see is Henry. He has a few things that pull the odds in his favor:
1. He and Gordon share the same drive wheel chassis. This means they could potentially be worked on in production together, much like the HO models were all the way back in 2005.
2. Henry's announcement will complete the original Tomix quartet.
As for rolling stock, I think with Gordon, some Express coaches seem like a natural fit, and the Graham Farish Maunsell coaches toolings can potentially be recolored into the Green and maybe later Red variants.
I'll be a happy camper if Henry and the Express coaches will be announced.
Well this was definitely a surprise, the forum has been gone for over half a year and over a year's worth of posts have been lost.
I guess here and now is a good time to start over, especially with a rather interesting summer announcement back in August. That being said, it does leave me hopeful for a positive future for upcoming product suggestions. So with that in mind, here are my predictions for N scale, since I think narrow gauge has more than enough to keep them busy for this year and there isn't much to really discuss in HO for future products on my end, aside from more figure packs.
The next engine pick shouldn't be a surprise to many, but is also a top request on any social media regarding future product suggestions - Henry.
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Now that Gordon is coming, I have zero doubt Henry will be added next. Not only is there a solid market for Henry in N scale, but Gordon and Henry also share the same chassis on the show and Bachmann used the same method in HO scale when producing models of them as well. He seems like a natural and inevitable addition, along with being a hot seller.
Honorable mentions go to Edward, Duck, Oliver and Diesel. Edward seems like another obvious pick after Henry gets announced, since I can't see them adding Henry without Edward not far after him. Duck and Oliver were also very popular sellers in HO and now that Toad is coming with a new tooling, they seem to be like solid possibilities much further into the future after Edward and Henry. Diesel doesn't need much of an explanation since he's basically a shoe-in at any time in the future, especially with how easily Bachmann can add Paxton almost immediately after Diesel for a 2 in one deal.
Now for the thing I wanted to talk about even more, rolling stock:
Since there is a lot more worth talking about with rolling stock I figured I would share the top 5 suggestions I personally would like to see for the future.
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Like Henry, express coaches are the most obvious, if not inevitable additions to the range now that Gordon is coming. I would imagine they would introduce Gordon's express coaches first before moving onto the red ones, but either of these would be wholly welcome additions as the lack of express coaches for Gordon is something I feel should take priority.
(https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/HO_Scale/77048.jpg)
A close second would be a new tanker tooling. I bring this up because Bachmann has shown with the narrow gauge box vans that they're not afraid to cancel poor selling recolors in favor of a more accurate tooling. The tankers to me are the biggest letdown of the range, but Bachmann has since learned from this as they jumped on making Toad a new tooling instead of the Graham Farish tooling. Even reintroducing the fuel and oil tankers in a newer and more accurate tooling would be acceptable, but instead of the water tanker, the milk tanker would be a much more welcome addition since it's far more iconic and popular than the water tanker.
(https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/Large_Scale/98018.jpg)
I'd also love to see vent vans introduced in N scale as well. Bachmann's introduced quite a variety of liveries/decals for the vans in HO and large scale and it would be nice to see these in large scale as well. The great western van in particular would be a lot of fun.
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The red coaches would also make nice additions into the range as well, as these look great behind most of the characters on the show, including many engines who haven't been made yet. So making these now before more engines can be introduced is always a smart move.
(https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/images/HO_Scale/77010.jpg)
And finally, despite Toad being a welcome addition, I feel Bachmann's N scale range would still benefit majorly with a new brake van tooling. Whether they go with a standard brake van or spiteful brake van (or even both) would be perfectly acceptable additions to the range.
Honorable mentions go to the mail car, coal wagon with load and Henrietta. Henrietta and the mail car I'm sure will find their way into the range eventually, especially with all the recolor possibilities they offer. The coal wagon with load on the other hand is the only other wagon recolor I'm interested in, and again not newer one with the Sodor Coal Co decals. For now though, they aren't high on my priority list but would still be welcome all the same.
The fact that HO Scale is getting Rebecca, a newly-tooled tender engine, really opens up the possibility for Hiro, or Flying Scotsman, but if another new tooling isn't viable at this time for HO Scale, then recolors would be another way to go, like Sidney, Fernando, or Green Salty. Regarding the Mainland diesels, they may not have much character, with only one being named (Ulli), but it's really hard to paint that livery when modeling. Bachmann has the tooling to make a red Mainland diesel or two. They could be called "Mainland Diesel #1" and "Mainland Diesel #2". Same livery, but different faces. They would make good shunters for a layout. Their faces can be swapped with other characters of this tooling when modding. They're making Beau because they have his tooling, and he was a one-off character. It would be interesting if Fernando, or the Mainland diesels could get their first official pieces of merchandise. One of the latter could even use Fernando's face.
Although there's a fanmade CGI BoCo, it's still not likely Mattel would approve of BoCo because he never officially returned in CGI. Splatter and Dodge were going to return in Day of the Diesels and The Great Race, but both times, they were dropped. Although they'd use Diesel's tooling, they haven't been relevant in two decades.
The next N Scale engine has to be Henry. He would share the same chassis as Gordon, minus the trailing wheels. Graham Farish toolings can be used for the Express Coaches.
Good to be back boys. Just wanted to say hello, will post thoughts later.
Great to see the forum and some familiar people back online! It'll be great to talk about announcements and such again soon!
Beau's upcoming HO Scale model will be his first official piece of merchandise, since both his Thomas Wood models were cancelled. He's also said to be a limited release. Thankfully, I have him on preorder from Trainworld.
Maybe the reason we haven't already gotten the Milk Tanker in N Scale is because when Bachmann chose the Graham Farish tooling for the tankers, people were disappointed. N Scale Toad used a new tooling, and he will be the first brake van in the range. Apart from the Express Coaches, Red Coaches would also be very welcome additions to N Scale rolling stock. Henrietta would be much more likely for N Scale than Large Scale, and she has to be made at some point, since Toby has joined the range. Henrietta would also make Hannah a possible recolor.
Hopefully next month, we could see an unpainted prototype of N Scale Emily, or Sir Handel, as well as N Scale Toad fully painted. Once the 2023 catalog goes up, Beau might be fully painted right off the bat, since they're using an existing tooling for him.
I do think Beau is such a strange choice for an engine, especially for the reason we were given for us not getting Stepney.
I understand why we aren't getting Stepney because it's been a long time since we seen him, I'm guessing it's very unlikely we will be getting characters that have not made it to CGI, so that will rule out BoCo and Duke too. Them two and Stepney are the three models I would love to see too.
But announcements, the next Narrow Gauge no doubt will be Duncan, it looks as though they are planning on bringing out 1-6 of the Narrow Gauge engines. After Duncan, it'll be interesting who they will do next, Victor, Luke, Millie? Those three are very likely, I can't think of any other Narrow Gauge engines that made it to CGI.
Out of the HO/OO models I don't think there is an easy option to pick to be made, I think the following are possible.
Nia: As much as as I don't care so much about the BWBA series, she became a main character and Rebecca has already been announced, bringing her out to finish the second Steam Team (third if you count #1-8 as the orginal team like me), but she is also a bright orange color, something that would stand out to the younger fans if railroads.
Sidney: A easy repaint as he is the same engine as Diesel, Paxton, 'Arry, Bert. Sidney would be cheap to produce as all they need to do I think is repaint and change the face.
Hiro: From what I believe, Hiro is extremely popular in Japan, but I'm unsure if Bachmann sell their models in Japan, or if they do, do they sell well? I'm not sure if Hiro could gey more of an interest in the Japanese Market or even be a selling point to start selling there if they aren't sold.
Charlie: I know alot of people don't like him as a character, but he is a small engine and a unique bright color to interest the younger fans. Maybe children found his jokes funny as actually enjoyed him as a character, so he could be possible.
Porter: Now that Salty is being reintroduced, I think Porter is possible to be announced. Especially as Ryan was announced after Daisy, so it's possible they want to put another duo out after each other.
Stanley: A white and Silver engine, once again another bright stand out color combination, I don't think he is likely as others, but still possible to be announced in the next five or so years.
My most wanted Engine who has made it into CGI I guess would be Whiff, I do like his design, and I do get bored of 0-6-0 Engines, so it would be a nice change. If Whiff did get made it could bring out the possibility of bring Scruff afterwards.
If we got any repaints, I would love to see Scrapped Versions of both Oliver and Toad.The redish Oliver with scrap written on his would look quite cool and interesting in my opinion.
As long as we don't get another James repaint I will be happy, but then again there is the episode where he is pink and the episode where he was in multiple different colors.
Rolling stock I would like to see would maybe be Bradford the breakvan, maybe the Tar Wagon if I remember it just discontinued. Maybe Bachmann could do the Slip Coaches as they are three coaches with the same design maybe with a different face each. I would like to see Henrietta with a face, which I think if she got made, a Hannah could easily be made too, after all repaint are easy ways for Bachmann to make money? An odd choice I would like to see, I think it's name is Lei, the truck that constantly fell off the track.
I don't collect G Scale or N Scale
I do think Henry then Edward would be next in the N Scale line.
Quote from: Zekeism on January 21, 2023, 07:40:53 PMI do think Beau is such a strange choice for an engine, especially for the reason we were given for us not getting Stepney.
Beau will be a repaint of Bachmann's 4-4-0 model with little new toolings. He's just for fun and will most likely be a limited run due to the tooling cost of the 4-4-0's.
For Narrow Gauge, Duncan is inevitable, and would complete engines 1-6 on the Skarloey Railway.
For HO Scale, however:
They might as well announce Nia, since they are making Rebecca. I personally don't care for Nia, or Big World Big Adventures, but given that she's a main character, and Rebecca's joining the range, Nia is inevitable, and would only make sense that she joins too. Nia would also complete the BWBA Steam Team. Also has a very unique livery.
Porter is another good choice, with Salty being reintroduced to HO Scale, but one big issue is his scaling, which is even more problematic than Oliver's.
Hiro is a very popular choice for a CGI character, and is now more likely, since we're getting Rebecca, which means Bachmann is back to making new tender engines for the HO Scale range. Rebecca's wheels (repainted) can be used for Hiro, just like how Oliver's wheels were used as parts for Ryan, but repainted.
Flying Scotsman could also be made possible as a new tender engine. Might use the same chassis as Spencer with Gordon's trailing wheels. The only concern is his second tender, which would make him more expensive, and need a longer package.
Stanley is one who appeared in both model and CGI, and has a unique white livery to make him stand out. He could even use Thomas' chassis with red wheels.
Whiff is also a very good choice, and would be the first ready-to-run model of Aerolite. He would be about as long as Ryan, though his front wheels might have to be powered. Announcing Whiff can make Scruff possible.
For recolors, Diesel's tooling can be used to make Sidney or Fernando. Mainland Diesel #1, Ulli, or any of the other Mainland Diesels can also use that tooling, but one thing is that the Mainland Diesels mostly didn't have names, and didn't show that much character, but it would be interesting if they or Fernando get their first official pieces of merchandise. Fernando is more likely since at least he has a name and character. The only issue with Splatter and Dodge is that they haven't been relevant in two decades. Green Salty is a different recolor I'd be okay with as well.
What I think would be cool for Bachmann, them doing a ballot to decide future models. Super Smash Bros did it a few years ago and most of the popular picks became characters in the next game.
Bachmann wouldn't even need to tell us the results and they wouldn't need to pick the most popular choice, they could the pick the most reasonable and possible choices, for example the top ten were, let's say:
1: Stepney
2: BoCo
3: Diesel 10
4: Hiro
5: Stanley
6: Porter
7: Whiff
8: Nia
9: Glynn
10: Charlie
They would go through the list and think, well we'll see which Engines Mattel would let us make, oh we can't get the materials for Stepney and BoCo. Diesel 10 can't be made because of his claw. Hiro could be a good choice, we'll make him.. Yes, I made the list up as an example.
Ever since Bachmann UK started introducing DCC-ready locos, I have held off buying more (I already had the Famous Eight!). Now with Edward and Henry being available, I am just waiting on Duck so I can upgrade my collection. I am sure at some point the rest of the fleet will be made DCC-ready, with Diesel and Bill & Ben, followed by Donald & Douglas top of my wish list!
I am also hoping the Narrow Gauge engines will be made DCC-ready, but I think that is a long shot given their size and design.
I'm just waiting for the last of the narrow gauge locomotives. Simple plain brown repaints for vans.
I really don't know what else, can't think right now.
Hey everyone! I am ecstatic that the Bachmann Forum is back, and happy to see that many old members are still here as if the hiatus in the past year never occurred. I'm going to be making some new posts here soon, including some final thoughts for 2023's announcement. Looking forward to engaging in conversations again.
After being cancelled for the past two years, the Toy Fair is finally returning, but will be later in the year this time, so we'll most likely just get the 2023 catalog within a few weeks. Maybe this Friday, but no guarantee.
As stated earlier, with the 2023 announcements right around the corner, I wanted to post some thoughts on what I would love to see announced.
HO Scale
The 2022 HO engine announcements were very surprising. In January, we welcomed the reintroduction of Salty, which was very nice, given the number of fans who missed out on this great model before it was discontinued. Then in the summer, Beau and Rebecca were announced. This must be one of the most bizarre and controversial announcements I have ever seen for the Thomas line. Nevertheless, one positive takeaway from it is that the announcement of Rebecca as a new tooling proves that Bachmann can announce tender engines with new tooling for the Thomas line for the future.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Hiro_(T%26F) (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Hiro_(T%26F))
Hence, I think that everyone can agree that Hiro would be an excellent candidate. He has an exquisite design and has been in the show since 2009, the very start of CGI. Given this fact, Mattel would approve Hiro and let's not forget that Japanese Thomas fans, who are a major part of the Thomas market, would eat this up.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Stanley (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Stanley)
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Whiff_(T%26F) (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Whiff_(T%26F))
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Harvey (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Harvey)
However, if Bachmann wanted the next engine to be smaller, but also appeal to fans young and old, Stanley, Whiff, or Harvey would be the way to go. All have been in the show for over decade, so there is surely a nostalgic connection for older fans, and they have appeared in CGI, so young fans would be familiar with them. I'd certainly buy any of these.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Sidney (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Sidney)
For this year though, with Rebecca now at stake, I would more so expect an engine that reuses existing tooling. Sidney is the character that comes right to mind. While he is a Class 08 like Diesel and Paxton, he is dark blue, which is a paint scheme that has not been seen on any of the previously announced HO engines. I would not mind buying Sidney either.
Moving onto rolling stock, the first product suggestion that should be considered is another long flat wagon variant. The long flat wagon with logs has consistently been a hot seller, and most fans are interested in this product because of the flat wagon tooling. Therefore, announcing it with a new load such as pipes or fuel drums, or even reintroducing the original with paint drums would be great way to get this specific flat wagon out more.
Gordon's Special Coaches are pieces that I would love to see produced. I always liked the dark blue paint scheme of these coaches and the episode in which these are featured is a fun one.
Finally, I think that the circus train would be appropriate for the future. These colorful pieces are eye-catching and would add a bit of festivity to anyone's collection. What's more, Bachmann could make several van variants, a cattle wagon, and even an additional exclusive flat wagon with load.
As for non-rail vehicles, I would love to see Sir Topham Hatt's Blue Car. The iconic blue car has been in the show since the very beginning, and it would be a nice piece to go with the upcoming HO Scale Figure Packs too.
Speaking of HO Figure Packs, I would love to see more of these, especially a pack that includes exclusive characters such as Alicia Botti and the Mayor of Sodor.
In terms of buildings, I think it would be a good idea to bring back Knapford Station. Just like Tidmouth Sheds, many Thomas modelers missed out on this before discontinuation, and I have seen some sold for insane prices on eBay.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Duncan_(T%26F) (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Duncan_(T%26F))
As for narrow gauge, all l can really predict for now is Duncan. However, with Sir Handel in the works as well as several new pieces of rolling stock, I wouldn't be surprised if there are no new narrow gauge announcements for 2023.
N Scale
Last summer, there was zero doubt that the best product announced was the N Scale Gordon. It is going to be incredible to see his side rod configuration at that scale, and this confirms that larger engines are feasible in N scale.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Henry_(T%26F) (https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Henry_(T%26F))
As a result, I absolutely think that Henry would be the best candidate for the next engine announcement. Sharing the same wheel configuration as Gordon and as another member of the main cast, he would be yet another winner.
To go along with the bigger engines, express coaches would be great, especially Gordon's Green Express Coaches.
For freight, a box van would be excellent as well. The Great Western, Fruit & Vegetable, Explosives, Brendam Bay, Mr. Jolly's, and Ice Cream Vans are all variants that I would love to see join the line in the future.
Large Scale
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I am not sure as to where the Large Scale line will go from here. One product that I could see happening is the LBSC Thomas, given that it is a recolor and seems to be quite a popular request amongst fans.
As for rolling stock, perhaps some circus vans or a new troublesome truck could join the line?
As always. I want to give a huge thank you to Bachmann Industries for producing such wonderful Thomas products and I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts.
Here is My Bachmann Wish list
This List is in Terms of what's actually feasible by Bachmann, so while I would Love to see Stepney, Boco, or the classic Breakdown train, they all probably would be shadowed by modern stuff. It's not to say they're Impossible, I just think including them here would be a little redundant.
I should also point out that this is a wish list, and not a prediction list for 2023.
Harvey
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Harvey is a character I have Been Pushing for since last year. He is considered a "Classic series" Character, and has appeared in the CGI series. His design may be hard to work around, Especially if the crane arm will have some sort of functionality, but I feel Bachmann can make anything work. (I would also recommend getting rid of the Moving Eye Mechanism)
Diesel 10
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Again Diesel 10 has appeared in both the model era and the CGI era. He is a very marketable character that always sells well in any range. Again, the claw might bring some Issues, However I just want it to be
pose-able.
Whiff
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Whiff is a Character I would want to see not only because I think he's a fun character, but his Basis has never been produced in HO/OO scale.
Hiro
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Hiro is one of the best CGI characters ever, and by Bachmann producing Rebecca soon, that proves that bachmann is capable of doing more large tender engines. Hiro is also still relavent in the reboot surprisingly, And I would pay $200 for Hiro over Rebecca any day.
Merlin
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This may be a Questionable Choice. But I love Merlin's character and basis. He's also a very moderate size tender engine, with a simple design that I feel makes him easy to produce.
Moving on to rolling stock,
Rocky
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Rocky is a Character that I am surprised has not been talked about more. In Fact, I'm surprised Bachmann hasn't tried to produce a break down crane of any sort yet. Rocky has not only appeared in both era's of the show, but he has an appealing color scheme, and would sell very well.
The Works Unit Coach
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This would be a fun piece of rolling stock to add, and also could come in green and orange.
Tar Tanker Reintroduction (Troublesome truck #7)
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I think lots of people were disappointed with Troublesome Truck #6 being based on the BWBA movie. However, as Bachmann shown with Troublesome Truck #5 and the spiteful breakvan, they are still willing to do rolling stock with classic era faces. Not only would I want to see the Tar Tankers reintroduced, They could also kill two birds in one stone by making it a troublesome tanker. Not only that, the tar tankers have been seen in the CGI series with a face.
Flat car or open Wagon With Pipes
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I do think a Flat car with pipes is more likely (as on the one used for the logging car), however I also thought that the open wagons with pipes (as seen in Edward Strikes Out) would also work quite nicely. (would also go good with Rocky)
1-Plank wagon with Sir Topham Hatt's car
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fttte.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FSir_Topham_Hatt%2527s_Car_%2528T%2526F%2529&psig=AOvVaw1ytLAKFblfjZsEaTkizhJl&ust=1674666510318000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAwQjRxqFwoTCNCEkofZ4PwCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)
Sir Topham Hatt's car is a good Idea on it's own, however I think to Sweeten the deal it should be on a One plank wagon, a reference to Thomas and the Runaway Car, or Charlie and Eddie.
Trevor
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Similarly, Can't go Wrong with Trevor.
Now for Large Scale, there's only one thing I want.
Large Scale Edward
Bachmann Haven't done many Characters for G scale, obviously for price reasons. However, Edward is a similar size to James, and is a classic character. He is the last thing Large scale Truly needs.
I think it's safe to say that if a character has not appeared in the CGI episodes/specials, the odds of them being made are basically 0. Any hopes for Stepney and BoCo might as well be dead in the water, lest Mattel change their tune in the near future. Seems strange that they won't give Bachmann any leniency after years, and years, and years of demand from the fans, and guaranteed revenue from how the Hornby Stepney sold both in its living and post-market days.
That said, Rebecca before Hiro is a decision that got a raised brow out of me, especially after years of assumptions that there was a stipulation against large tender engines. I feel like the demand for Hiro has been consistently far greater than Rebecca, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a decision more pressed by Mattel.
Still shocked we haven't seen Sidney or the Mainland Diesels made yet, those seem like easy ones to crank out.
Besides model-era characters, Hiro, and any diesel shunters, I feel like "what's next" could literally be any engine picked by throwing a dart at a board.
Same with rolling stock; in years past, I've created mock-ups for potential products such as these:
(https://i.imgur.com/gqC2LT0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/tXMbC99.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/dq8LaH9.png)
And still today, I uphold the belief that if it's not a new tooling, the odds of a piece of rolling stock being made are low. The Mai Coach and Flatbed these days feel like exceptions, rather than the norm, unfortunately. Which at that point, basically any livery or logo is possible on a piece of rolling stock. Skys the limit.
It would be nice to see them make a new tooling based on something unique to Thomas, such as the Lynton and Barnstaple rolling stock or the Works Unit, but my hopes are just too low these days.
For HO Scale recolors, Bachmann could easily make Sidney, Fernando, the Mainland Diesels, or Green Salty because their toolings already exist. For new toolings, they could make Nia, Stanley, Whiff, Harvey, Norman, Diesel 10, or Hiro. For Harvey, one issue is his crane arm, but Bachmann has made rail cranes. Making one that's self-propelled shouldn't be too hard, though they may have to omit the eye mechanism for a rotating crane arm. As for Diesel 10, they could at least make his claw posable, and could still stay in place when not in use. Diesel 10 is the only other good choice for a larger diesel that's appeared in the CGI series. Not a fan of Nia, but since we're getting Rebecca, they might as well complete the BWBA Steam Team. Ashima would be really interesting, but two problems with her are her complex siderod configuration with upper flywheels, and her highly-detailed paint scheme.
We may never get a Bachmann Stepney, no matter how great his demand is, solely because he never appeared in the CGI series. Same for BoCo or Duke, unless Mattel ever warms up to the idea... They probably won't, given that they intentionally made All Engines Go a dumpster fire for the older fans, but that's a different topic.
Hi everyone! I wanted to share my quick predictions before the 2023 catalogue is out!
HO SCALE
I do believe that this year will be a recolor year. With Rebecca and Beau in development, I think Bachmann will take a slight hiatus from new tool announcements. So my prediction for HO locomotive(s) this year:
-Sidney
-Arry and Bert (reintroduction)
Sidney would be a great, new addition, and would be cost effective too. My only fear is the face. Hopefully it wouldn't be completely botched like how Paxton's face was.
As for the Iron Twins, they fetch a very hefty price tag on the secondary market. I think a limited reintroduction would be a great idea so fans who missed out on those two could get them, and it would be extremely cost effective as well.
If there was going to be a new tooled HO loco announcement, I'd have to say it's going to be......
Nia.
Why?
Well, we have Rebecca already announced. I think it just makes sense to have both of these characters together from a marketing standpoint. Another reason being the reintroduction of Tidmouth Sheds. I just have a feeling that bringing back Tidmouth was in preparation for the announcement of Rebecca and then later, Nia. Another reason: Mattel.
However, if Nia isn't announced, another new tooled loco I could see is Philip. He's small, and he's a diesel. I don't think he would be too difficult for Bachmann to develop, and he is from fairly recent media.
Those are my predictions, but my HOPES are for:
-Stepney
-Hiro
-Stanley
-Harvey
-Diesel 10
The demand is THERE. These are what the people WANT. I cannot emphasize enough that any of these characters would basically be printing money. These would be instant sellers. I usually don't preorder, but I would make exceptions for these, and buy multiple. Please, Bachmann!
HO ROLLING STOCK
-CGI Troublesome Truck
I think the days of classic era faces are over. I would be personally be really happy to get a CGI troublesome truck, and buy multiples as well.
NARROW GAUGE
-Duncan
He's the next in line. Simple as that. If not Duncan, then I'd be happy with Victor. Victor can even have a yellow version :)
HO ROAD VEHICLES
Discontinue Jeremy (why was he ever a thing?) and introduce:
-Trevor
He is simple, and the demand is there. Also appeared in recent media (JBS).
I'm not too concerned with N or G scale, but I think a great idea is to do TAB recolors of Thomas and James in both scales. I know I would be very tempted to get them.
That's all I have for now! Hoping we get the new catalogue very soon!
If we finally do get Sidney for HO Scale, I just hope the face won't be botched, like how Paxton's was. However, Paxton's face was a huge improvement on his Large Scale model. Sidney would also need a painted border around his face.
It's been six years since Paxton was first announced for HO Scale, and Sidney still hadn't been on the cards, but we'll see if that changes soon. Fernando and the Mainland Diesels are other good choices that use the same tooling, but it would make sense that Sidney comes before them. Too bad Splatter and Dodge haven't been relevant in two decades.
I definitely agree with the general consensus, that Duncan is the most obvious if not inevitable pick for narrow gauge. However, with how far behind Bachmann is on several projects for narrow gauge, including the brake vans announced back in 2020(!), I think this year Bachmann will take a breather and focus on releasing the vans and starting work on Sir Handel and the new wagons on the way.
As for Nia, if I'm honest, I'm surprised that she wasn't announced before Rebecca since Bachmann hasn't announced a tender engine in over a decade and Nia seems to have a much bigger push by Mattel, especially with marketing. The only possible explanation I can think of why they picked Rebecca first was maybe they thought Rebecca's price would be a better value of money between the two since Nia has a far more detailed and complicated design to work with than Rebecca does despite Rebecca being a tender engine. Granted, I'm sure Rebecca being a "top requested locomotive" were most likely a response to requests coming from Mattel, but it still makes her a very questionable choice since Hiro was very clearly a more popular demand and would have sold far better than Rebecca too. But anyways, I do think unfortunately, Nia isn't that far off from being added in the future. However, like Sidney, Nia just strikes me more as premonition that most fans are dreading to see happen rather than something they're getting excited and hopeful for like they have for Hiro or an N scale Henry.
Here's the weirdest thing with Rebecca:
I'm not sure how much The Reboot influences the Bachmann range, but Rebecca hasn't been in the reboot, so she hasn't appeared in the show since 2020.
Hiro, actually has appeared in the reboot.
I'm not saying I want them to make things purely based off the influence of the reboot, I just think it's a really weird choice, especially when Doug said on a livestream that characters like Stepney would be shadowed by newer characters like Rebecca due to relevancy, and Rebecca hasn't been relevant since the BWBA era, it just seems like an excuse for what seems like a Mattel push. I'm not saying that's fact, but it's personally what I believe.
I shouldn't get upset if Nia is next in line for new toolings in HO Scale, considering we already have Rebecca coming our way. The demand for Hiro is bound to have skyrocketed following Rebecca's announcement, which greenlit new toolings for tender engines. Hiro could even use Rebecca's wheels (repainted) as parts, like how Ryan used Oliver's wheels; just repainted. For smaller engines, Stanley has had high demand for years, and can recycle Thomas' chassis with the wheels painted red. Hiro should be the next tender engine for HO Scale, as he's had consistent demand, and now more-so following Rebecca's announcement. I think Hiro should be considered before Flying Scotsman (whose only concern is the second tender).
As for diesels with new toolings for HO Scale, the best choices are Den, Dart, Philip, Norman, or Diesel 10. Dart would make Natalie a potential recolor (albeit she was a one-off character like Beau). However, Dart's only concern is his small size, and may have to be scaled up slightly to fit the eye mechanism and motor. Frankie could recycle Diesel's chassis, though she was a one-off character, but would make one of the American diesels a potential recolor. Not only would this be Norman's first official piece of merchandise since Mattel's takeover, but he would also be the first ready-to-run model of 11001. Philip would also be a good choice for Large Scale.
I've been asked, so I'll put my predictions in last minute. But first, let's take a bit of a walk on what Bachmann still has on the back-burner for each scale (yeah, I may have been keeping a list).
HO Scale
Ryan (painted sample)
Salty (painted sample)
Beau
Rebecca
DCC Sound Thomas & Percy
Explosives Van (painted sample)
Chocolate Factory Van
Brendam Bay Van
Figure Packs
Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Brake Vans (Painted Sample)
Box Vans (Painted Sample)
BMQ High-Side Wagons
Gondolas
N Scale
Toby (painted sample)
Emily
Gordon
Emily's Coaches (unpainted sample)
Toad (unpainted sample)
Large Scale
Chocolate Van (painted sample)
Brendam Bay Van (painted sample)
Toby's Museum Coaches (painted sample)
These lists use information from the TrainWorld "Thomas Tuesdays" and Bachmann's Social Media posts, and I believe the list is up to date (feel free to let me know if I missed anything). I'll be partially basing my predictions off of this list, so here we go:
HO Scale
I'm honestly not sure what to expect here, especially since it has the largest backlog of unreleased products. It would be cool if they could announce a new engine, but I'm not really expecting one, at least for the February announcements. As far as rolling stock goes, I could see the Chocolate Factory Tanker and Toffee Tanker make the jump from Large Scale to HO. Other than that, maybe some more figure packs will be announced?
Narrow Gauge
I could possibly see Duncan getting announced soon, since it's been a year since they announced Sir Handel. As far as rolling stock goes, I'm not really expecting much for these announcements, but a Brown Brake Van & Box Van would be pretty easy recolors for them to do. As far as the future goes, it seems like Bachmann is pretty willing to do any narrow gauge stock (looking at the gondolas), so I'd definitely like to see Bachmann tackle the Brown and Grey Open Wagons from Series 4 in the same sort of style as the Box & Brake Vans at some point, along with some Talyllyn-style tipper wagons.
N Gauge
Henry has to be next; they've got his chassis design, and he's been just as requested as Gordon. I'm surprised they weren't announced together, to be honest. As far as rolling stock goes, I'm hoping for a Milk Tanker, the Red Open Wagon, Coal Wagon w/ Load (original version), maybe a Tar Tanker, and Express Coaches for Gordon. These would really help the range feel complete, and shouldn't be too difficult for them to do (they seem to be very quick with getting physical models in this scale).
Large Scale
Although I don't personally collect Large Scale, I do want to talk about it. Since everything unreleased has painted samples ready, the range is in the perfect spot to announce a new engine. I'm personally hoping for Edward or Mavis. As far as rolling stock goes, I'm not sure what we could see, but Bachmann seem to be good at finding recolors. It would also be cool to see a rerelease of Thomas' Snowplough.
I would like to see the "Naughty or Nice" Brake Van sold separately. I want one of those but I don't want to have to buy a whole set to get it.
So SOME catalog announcements were shown in Bachmann's latest video, but NONE of them were Thomas & Friends products. However, there will soon be a separate video announcing Thomas products within like a few weeks or so. We'll get the full catalog during February. We may not see the new Thomas products until then.
We'll have to hold our breath for just a little longer. There will be Thomas announcements. Just not at this moment. They're being saved for a dedicated video on them.
So I figured before the announcements come out I'll put in my predictions. I'm not really sure what to expect this year, I'm tempted to do a hopes and predictions column. So I will. Lol.
HO SCALE
Engines
PREDICTION
Stanley or Nia
HOPE
Harvey or Stepney
Rolling Stock
PREDICTION
Well Wagon Comeback
Troublesome Truck 7
Gordon's Special Coaches
Circus Train
HOPE
China Clay Truck
Breakdown Crane
Spencer's Express Brake Coach
NARROW GAUGE
ENGINES
DUNCAN (Seems inevitable, just pray they don't use his CGI model as a basis.)
My hope here would be Duke.
ROLLING STOCK
GREEN (CATTLE CAR) COACHES
GUNPOWDER VAN
FLATBED
No hopes here. They are doing pretty well :)
OFF-RAIL
These are all wild cards, I expect we may see another figure pack or two. But beyond that I'd love to see...
TREVOR
GEORGE
BULGY (He's been around recently too)
LORRIES
LARGE SCALE
Here is an interesting scale, I love large scale and feel it's long overdue for a new engine. But I'm not sure what direction they'll go. I propose two for the engine.
Option 1: One Bigger Tooling options I see as,
Edward
Duck
Mavis
Donald and Douglas
It would be a big new tooling. But I think they would get some thing for their buck.
Option 2: The Twin Route
As much as I want some of the engines on that list I put above in large scale, if I were Bachmann what I would do is this.
Bill & Ben
Arry & Bert
Do both sets of twins in one year and get four engines for really the price of one. Use the Class 08 tooling to do Arry and Bert, which most all classic fans would buy. Plus Bill and Ben would be selling like hotcakes. Then Bachmann is able to make a decent amount of money to put into the range for the future. Boom. 8) 8)
As for rolling stock.
More Recolors
Flat Car
Mail Car (Long Overdeue)
Also, I really like the option of a normal brake van.
N Scale
This is the only scale I haven't purchased a single item from yet, I plan to, and I can't wait seeing how much has been introduced so far. Here's what I think is coming next.
Engines
Edward or Henry
Stock
Mail Car
Express Coaches
I'd also love to see Cranky in this scale.
That's about it for me, might come back and edit later or make an additional post. Happy to be back all. ;D
The fact that Trainworld announced that for their next Thomas stream the first unpainted sample of N scale Gordon will be ready definitely gives me the impression that they have to be working on Henry or have plans for him. I can't see any other reason why that's the case, especially since there's no word on Emily and she was announced a few months before Gordon.
Either way, it's very exciting to hear they've made so much progress on Gordon already!
An unpainted prototype of N Scale Gordon is ready much sooner than expected, even before Emily, who was announced before him, which is very weird. Not too long ago, Bachmann did show an unpainted prototype of Emily's coach. I really hope N Scale Henry gets announced soon. He would be the best choice immediately after Gordon's announcement, especially for being the same size as Gordon, as well as sharing Gordon's chassis; minus the trailing wheels. After Henry, Edward will be the only member left of the original Steam Team for N Scale.
Gordon is also the first engine in the N Scale range who doesn't already exist in Large Scale, since N Scale is much more flexible with big engines like him. If Bachmann can make Gordon, they can absolutely make Henry for N Scale. Just recycle the chassis, remove the trailing wheels, change features of the body to match Henry's, paint him green, and make the tender different.
Pardon this double post, but the 2023 catalog is up!
No new engines were announced, but HO Scale is getting an Open Carriage, which is a new tooling for rolling stock, as well as Sir Topham Hatt's car. N Scale is also getting Henrietta to go with Toby (thank goodness) by popular demand, as well as three box vans (Great Western, Fruit & Veg, and Ice Cream), and even a set for Emily. Also nothing new for Narrow Gauge, but there's plenty of stuff there still on the backburner. Also, nothing new for Large Scale...
To be fair to Bachmann, there's still a lot of products yet to come out, so it can't be too surprising that there isn't much this time around. Here are my thoughts;
HO Scale:
The Old Carriage: Out of the rolling stock that could've been announced, I certainly wasn't expecting this one! I'm really looking forward to seeing this. I really like the 1800s Era of trucks and coaches and I reckon these will go down a treat! Who knows, maybe Stephan could be announced further down the line (no pun intended).
Sir Topham Hatt's Car: I'll be honest, the figure announcements last year were the biggest surprise in my opinion. I've personally always wanted a scale figurine of The Fat Controller and now not only are we getting that, but we're getting the "Hatt Blue" car as well! It's so great to see Non-Rail characters/vehicles making a comeback! Hopefully one day we'll see a model of Trevor or maybe Bulgy? Here's hoping!
N Scale (I'll keep my thoughts brief as I'm not particularly bothered by N Scale personally):
Henrietta: It's nice to see Toby's faithful coach getting a release, though I can't help but wish one could be made for G Scale. We've been waiting years for that, so maybe with an N Scale version coming out, the chances of a G Scale model are more promising?
The Ventilated Vans: I mean, yeah... cool. I don't really have much to say regarding these honestly.
Emily's Passenger Set: This sounds like a good one to me. Personally speaking, I wish Bachmann went back to making sets with other characters besides Thomas, nice to see that happening for N Scale. Hopefully in the future the same can be done for HO/OO and G Scale.
Conclusion:
While there isn't a lot announced this time round, these sound like really cool products and besides that we've still got models like Sir Handel, the new NG wagons, Ryan, etc still coming. Nice work Bachmann! Looking forward to seeing the finished results!
Pretty pleased that we are getting Sir Topham Hatt's car, makes sense as it can go with the family figure pack.
What is the open carriage from? I don;t remember seeing it, but I'm guessing it'll look good.
Shame there isn't a new Narrow Gauge engine announced, but it also means I can catch up, seeing as I only started collecting them since Christmas.
I don't collect N Scale, but it's great to see Henrietta to go with Toby, though I do think it would have been the perfect time to put a face on her. At least she makes sense unlike Toad, I do think they should release rolling stock that fits with the character they are releasing.
Like Thomas, Annie & Clarabel
Percy, Mail coach, Break van
James, Red Express Coaches
Toby, Henrietta, an open wagon
Emily, her coaches
Gordon, Green Express Coaches
I do wish starter sets came with a little bit more than a circle/oval, a siding or something would be cool, I find the circle/oval is a little boring.
It's more than understandable why the announcements this year are so small considering all the projects Bachmann is behind on. For what it's worth though, just about everything that got announced this year shows quality over quantity.
A new rolling stock tooling is highly appreciated. The open carriage wagon itself is random, but a new tooling all the same is a welcome addition. Makes me wonder if Stephen will be planned soon. Either way, I feel this is a nice step-up in HO, and I'm interested to see how this will turn out.
Once the figures got announced, I had a feeling Sir Topham Hatt's car would find its way in the range. This will be a very hot seller with the figures and having a new road vehicle is also a welcome addition on its own. Another thumbs up to Bachmann on this one!
It's really nice seeing the box vans make their way into the N scale range. I'll be picking up a few of the great western vans for sure, I'm really glad these are going to be another new tooling. They all look fantastic, and I'm amazed how they got done so quickly! Hopefully it continues to stay this way and the tankers being Graham farish toolings is just a one-off. Either way, I'm amazed how much the N scale range has grown in almost 5 years since the ranges first announcement.
The biggest surprise of all has to be the N scale Henrietta! I'll be honest I wasn't sure if Bachmann would pull this off, given how Henrietta got the short end of the stick in large scale but it's nice knowing Bachmann's willing to go the full mile with Henrietta. I mean, if they're making a new tooling for Toad the brake van of all things, it wouldn't make any sense to not invest in Henrietta after Toby's release.
Emily getting a set in N scale is a little strange, since Bachmann has stated that sets for other characters don't sell well.
Overall I'm really happy with all these. Hopefully in the summer, the N scale range will be able to add Henry and Gordon's express coaches. It's also more than understandable why there's no new narrow gauge announcements, given how Bachmann is behind on several NG products (including the brake vans announced back in 2020!), so I think it's wise for Bachmann to play catch-up with narrow gauge and all the other previously announced products. Looking forward to updates Bachmann, thanks for always thinking of the fans!
Logging onto the forums again for the first time in a while. It's good to be back--
To summarize my thoughts on Bachmann's products and announcements within the past year, they've certainly been providing a lot more than I was expecting. I'm pretty happy that they've been doing as much as they could for each of the ranges, and most of the products have a fair reason for being greenlit despite what the fans may think of them.
The announcements that interest me the most this year are in the N Scale range. Like Chaz said, its growth has been rather impressive and it's great to see that Bachmann has been making some logical and reasonable choices for new products. I cannot wait to pick up Henrietta, and the Box Vans are going to be great too! The Emily set was unexpected, but still a welcome addition and a great way for the casual consumer to purchase both her and the coaches at the same time. If the announcements in this range are anything to go by, they've certainly been taking note of fans' suggestions overtime.
Understandably, not much new offerings for Narrow Gauge are present, and nothing new has been announced for Large/G Scale. Bachmann has a lot of catching up to do across the board and I suspect that there won't be too much announced in the summer as a result. If anything, I would hope for N Scale Henry to be announced since Gordon's production is underway, and maybe the Red Coaches as a stretch since Annie and Clarabel have been around for a while now.
Best wishes to Bachmann as the year continues! Hopefully, it'll be a productive one for them.
Hopefully this summer at the NMRA, Bachmann could announce N Scale Henry, along with the Red Coaches, or even the Express Coaches to go with Gordon, now that we're getting Henrietta to go with Toby. With Toad being the first brake van in the N Scale range, could that indicate plans for Oliver? Henrietta would also make Hannah a possible recolor.
As for HO Scale, could the Open Carriage indicate plans for Stephen joining the range? There's also the Blue Coach, which you see at the end of Stephen's train, and was once pulled by Diesel, which could also get made. If any new engines get announced for HO Scale at the NMRA, it would most likely be recolors, like Sidney, Fernando, a Mainland Diesel or two, or Green Salty. Nia, as much as I don't care for her, is bound to be the next new tooling. Beau will not have moving eyes, but should have a working light instead.
It's perfectly understandable why the announcements were small, considering all the products Bachmann needs catching up on, especially for Narrow Gauge.
The 2023 catalog is up, and I must state that I am quite content with the selection.
The HO Open Carriage was a nice surprise, given that we have not seen a new HO rolling stock tooling for years. That being stated, I do question how well this product will sell, considering that Hornby already made a model that is nearly identical:
https://uk.hornby.com/products/open-carriage-pack-containing-3x-open-carriages-stephensons-rocket-r40102.
I think that the Works Unit Coach would have been a better new tooling investment for HO rolling stock, as it has appeared since the very beginning and in multiple paint schemes:
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Nevertheless, the open carriage is a welcome addition and I could see some fans placing the upcoming HO figures on it.
The HO Sir Topham Hatt's Car was definitely the highlight for me. It has been a long time since we have seen a new nonrail vehicle for the HO Thomas line, and I have many memories of this prop from the show. It will go beautifully with the upcoming HO figures, and I could see Thomas collectors of lines outside of Bachmann also adding it to their collections.
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The new N Scale additions are lovely as well. N Scale Henrietta will go wonderfully with Toby and it is great to see a new box van tooling in three different paint schemes. As others have stated, here's hoping that Henry and express coaches will be next!
All in all, I completely concur with Chaz on that this announcement was one of quality over quantity. It is especially important to acknowledge that almost every new product is a new tooling, including HO rolling stock and nonrail, which we have not seen in years. Thank you very much to everyone at Bachmann Industries who have made this possible and I look forward to seeing N Scale Gordon during the next TrainWorld Thomas stream on Monday.
Another idea for a road vehicle is the Post Van, which appeared in Season 24.
I have an image showing recolor suggestions for the HO Scale range. Because their toolings exist, Bachmann might as well announce Sidney, Fernando, Mainland Diesel #1, Mainland Diesel #2 (Ulli), or Green Salty at some point, possibly at the NMRA, since their toolings already exist. All of which appeared in the CGI series. Diesel's tooling still has some good choices for recolors, while Salty's reintroduction can make Green Salty a recolor. As for the Mainland Diesels, Bachmann can't do all of them, but it would be nice just to have two or three of them, especially #1 showing a rather annoyed expression. Only a few have good looks of their faces. It's been six years since Paxton was first announced for HO Scale, and Sidney still isn't on the cards. BWBA introduced Fernando, another character who would use Diesel's tooling. Both he and a few Mainland Diesels could possibly get their first official pieces of merchandise. I wonder if Bachmann could acknowledge Sidney like they did for Stepney.
Hopefully, N Scale Henry and Express Coaches get announced this NMRA. Bachmann should know how much we want Henry, following Gordon, for N Scale.
I didn't noticed that the forum was back up after many months of delays on updating, but I stumble back after the recent announcements for 2023.
Aside from Ryan and Salty, I'm very happy that Bachmann is doing Rebecca as not only a fan of the character, but also the engine class itself. Beau is one I didn't thought they would do, but I'll grab him regardless as I want to expand the roster. The only things being discontinued is the rest of buildings aside from the red water tower and the lighthouse. It's kinda ashame as I thought they would expand more on that after they got Tidmouth Sheds back. Speaking of which, I don't understand why they stopped making the expansion packs just after they got the main one back. One thing Im' surprised they kept is the analog Thomas due to the fact it was out of stock for over a year, but has a new packaging based on the recent style.
The Blue Open Carriage was certainly a surprise for a newly tooled piece of rolling stock. However, I am conflicted due to the fact that I already have four (?) of the Hornby version from their Stephenson's Rocket range. The Hornby version has the very annoying coupling system that only really works with other Hornby Era 1 stock, so with Bachmann doing this carriage in the Thomas range, at least it will have the hook and loop couplers so it can connect with the Thomas stock more easily. Also, extremely unlikely, but I would be over the moon if Bachmann were to make Stephen to go along with this carriage.
I have to agree that the Works Unit Coach would've been a better option. It is a highly requested item, and it is versatile unlike the open carriage. Not to mention it would easily have two color variations, making the tooling very cost effective. Here's hoping it'll be a reality in the future.
It's awesome they're bringing STH's car to the HO range. Hopefully this opens the door to more non-rail characters being produced (Trevor please).
Even though I'm the new guy on the forum, I'm still going to weigh in on the announcements.
HO:
The Open Carriage is the first new rolling stock tooling since the flatbed that is presently being used as the Log Car all the way back in 2009. Really excited about The Fat Controller's Car! Even though I mostly collect Bachmann N Scale and Narrow Gauge, I have little doubt it will scale up nicely with the narrow gauge line and my Bandai TECS collection, just like the figurine packs will. I'm perfectly okay for nothing major like a locomotive as we need to get Ryan, CGI Salty and the various rolling stocks out on the shelves and significant progress is made on Beau and Rebecca before we get any new announcements.
Narrow gauge:
Considering we have projects going back three years, I'm 100% okay with no new announcements.
Large scale:
Perhaps the range should be stagnant for a little while until some resources are gathered to make an announcement that will make everyone happy.
N Scale:
We didn't get Henry or Express coaches, but I'm still holding out hope for them for NMRA at the earliest or at the very least, this time next year. That said, I'm excited about the box vans and will be picking up two Great Western Vans. Even though Gordon is going to be revealed on Thomas Monday tomorrow night, I'm surprised that Emily actually got a ready-to-run set announced! It makes me wonder if Bachmann actually have made more progress on Emily than we realize? And will Gordon get a set if and when the Express Coaches are announced? So many possibilities!
The highlight of the announcements was the surprise announcement of Henrietta! Considering that she never happened in large scale, I'm completely ecstatic that Bachmann saw enough worthwhile to invest in making her. She'll go nicely with Toby for sure and Percy. The question I have is: Will she have a face? Regardless, I'm planning on picking up the model as both a big fan of Seasons 1-7 and the Brenner Era.
Final thoughts:
All in all, Chaz hit the nail on the head: the announcements were quality over quantity, and that is okay by me. Bachmann should play catch up since between all the lines, some projects go back at least three years! Here's to a solid list of announcements and can't wait to see what NMRA will have lined up in August!
Hey everyone. Been a longtime observer of this forum and thought it would be fun to contribute to the discussion.
I was really happy to see Sir Topham Hatt's car get announced, and it gets my hopes up that Bachmann could expand their road vehicle selection for this line. Here's a few characters that I think would be viable.
Classic Series Characters
I think Trevor is the most obvious one here. I have seen him brought up multiple times on here, and for good reason. Bulgy and Butch are also ones I would really like to see. All three of these characters were in CGI so I think there's a good chance they could get made.
CGI
Only one I can think of here is Kevin. Assuming they make Victor some time down the line, I think Kevin would go nicely with that potential release.
The Pack
A number of these guys also made it into CGI, including Jack, Alfie, Oliver, and Max and Monty (can use the same tooling for them). I would buy any of these in a heartbeat.
These are the ones I could come up with off the top of my head. I think expanding the road character selection for the Thomas line would be wise, considering they must sell well since none have been retired since their release. I think the fact that Jeremy is still available says enough. Any thoughts?
Bachmann desperately needs catching up on Narrow Gauge products. At least the Narrow Gauge brake vans and box vans have painted samples, and should be available anytime now. HO Scale Ryan, Explosives Van, N Scale Toby and even the three newly-announced N Scale ventilated vans also have painted samples, and should all be available anytime now, within the next few months, as long as nothing goes wrong. Don't know about the N Scale vans, though. Those might be later this year. Maybe Doug Blaine will give us estimates on when all upcoming fully-painted products are expected to arrive in stock, including the reintroduced Salty and Red Express Coaches. Maybe we'll see HO Scale Ryan and N Scale Toby in their packages, showing they're just about to be available.
Hi 👋 Everyone I'm Tys_Trains_1999 and I was recommended by Terencethetractor525 to join the forum and since this is the predictions for what could possibly see in the line I figured why not just post it here so let's get into it
Standard Gauge Engine's
Murdoch- During Thomas Monday I've noticed a lot of people liked Chris H's custom Murdoch for N scale but mostly I saw Doug interested in the model which I hope we can see a potential HO Murdoch in the future. We definitely need one at some point in time because I unfortunately don't have a Hornby Murdoch in my possession.
Harvey- Harvey would be an amazing model to see in HO scale no one in terms of an official manufacturer has ever tackled his design yet and I figure he would be a stretch because his design would be complex to do but if Bachmann could have the crane arm be moved manually I think that could work just like all of Harvey's other toys ( Also when I said that no manufacturer tackled his design I meant any Model Train company not the manufacturers who made his Trackmaster, Tomy/Plarail, Wooden Railway, and Take Along variants) but, if Bachmann could find a way to make Harvey I'm definitely buying one
Boco- Since the release of Daisy I was really hoping to finally get a Boco HO model at some point because with daisy's tooling exciting I don't think it'll be to hard to make some adjustments to her tooling to make BoCo after all it wouldn't be the first time those two characters share parts. In the model series BoCo and Daisy shared the same faces one has make up the other doesn't, kinda weird how I never noticed that as a kid.
Stepney- Stepney needs a model, I've always loved his design, his story, his character in the show and books, etc. Stepney is definitely my second favorite character my first is Thomas but, if Stepney could get a brand new Bachmann model I assure you there'll be a review uploaded to my channel on YouTube.
Standard Gauge Rolling Stock
Rocky/Breakdown Train- I honestly think we need some sort of railway crane character in terms of being on the rails because if you're engines derail who's going to get them back on the tracks , the hand of God? ( Just Kidding) this is why we desperately need a crane other than Cranky, I can understand if Rocky is to expensive to make but if the the Breakdown Train can be made all Bachmann would to do is make a new tooling for the crane itself and use the tooling from the Chuggington flat car for the crane arm to rest on while not in use.
Flatcar with paint drums- this is a free car that I would love to see return into the Bachmann range because it was discontinued I believe in the early or late 2010s but since bachman brought back the express coaches I would love to see them bring back the flat car with paint drums I understand that it's been only seen I believe in calling all engines but I personally think that it would definitely be a good marketing decision because let's be honest we're all going to buy them.
Flatbed Car with Pipe Load- I personally want to see a flatbed with a pipe load and this is why I want to see the paint drums return as well with the flat car because we already have the log car but I personally want to see a trio of flat cars one with logs one with pipes and the one with paint it would be such a good marketing decision and it would just feel more classic to see those types of loads on these flat cars.
Old Slow Coach- Old Slow Coach was definitely one of my favorite characters introduced in season 5 of Thomas and Friends and I've always wanted to get a proper model of her but the only one available is the Hornby version and it's incredibly sought after and hard to come by I would definitely like to see Bachmann tackle this character I think she would be a great marketing decision to introduce her to the line she's definitely going to be bought out if they make her.
Tar Tanker- another canceled freight car that I want to see come back and that is the tar-taker it's so classic and it has such a unique role in the show in terms of the early model series because we all remember James crashing into the tire tankers and I think it would be really cool to see the tar-tanker come back in HO scale it's just so iconic to where I don't understand why Bachmann canceled the item / discontinued it. It really does mind boggle me on why they canceled it it's so unique but at the same time I hope that they bring it back at some point
HO Narrow Gauge
Duncan- Duncan would be an incredible character to have in the ho narrow Gauge line, because the yellow Rhenaes is throwing me off because I keep thinking it's Duncan LoL. He was one of my personal favorites in the narrow Gauge character lineup just because he was downright funny and just well plain blunt reminds me a lot of myself that and he would also be an incredible marketing decision because he is one of the classics
Duke- Duke is definitely one that I would love to see in the narrow Gauge line besides Bertram he is the only other tender narrow Gauge engine and I would love to see him be made in bachman's narrow Gauge range it would just be so fulfilling to see that character in the lineup to have all the characters from The classic season 4 show because I loved season 4 for the introduction of the narrow Gauge engines and Duke would just complete the roster.
Troublesome Slate trucks- we definitely need to receive at least some form of troublesome truck and the narrow Gauge line and I think if they made troublesome truck 7 a troublesome slate truck that would be a home run I would love to see a narrow Gauge troublesome slate truck. I can see Terrence the tractor 525 using those trucks to recreate the famous crash in season 4 that Peter Sam had in the Slate mines.
Narrow Gauge Coal Trucks- The narrow Gauge cold trucks I would also like to see because they were from the very same season 5 episode Duncan gets spooked which is another reason why I want Duncan to be made in the narrow Gauge range is because of that particular episode but with the coal trucks they would definitely be a good marketing decision for bachman to make then they wouldn't be too hard to produce either all they would have to do is just kind of use the same chassis from the Slate wagons and just make a new molding for the coal truck.
Vehicle Characters
Horrid Lorry's- these characters only appeared in season 5 as well and I would love to see them return in the Bachmann HO range because we need more vehicle road characters we have plenty of Engine characters I would love to see the road vehicles get a little bit more love and they kind of are with the release of Sir Topham hatt's car which is nice but I would have definitely loved to have seen the Lori's or Trevor or Butch the breakdown truck it just would be really nice to see more of the road characters get some love from the Bachmann team.
Trevor the traction engine- Trevor would definitely be another character I would love to see in the vehicle range because he is classic and has returned to the CGI Series in the later years of Thomas and Friends and it would definitely be awesome to see him in HO scale lineup
Bulgy- Bulgy is definitely a major character I would love to see in the ho line because man a double-decker bus would be incredible to see in the HO scale line because a lot of people have to go to either the ertl, Bandi, etc lines to have bulgy on their ho layout and I would love to see Bachmann make bulgy as a ho model for the little Western.
This concludes my hopes to see in the Bachmann range at some point I hope you all enjoy reading this sorry no pictures I'm still trying to figure that part out LOL I'm a little new here so I haven't messed with the forum too much but I hope you guys enjoy this post
After what Doug Blaine said about Stepney, I feel that is very unlikely that any character that wasn't in the CGI era of Thomas will be made.
Quote from: Zekeism on February 13, 2023, 02:58:55 PMAfter what Doug Blaine said about Stepney, I feel that is very unlikely that any character that wasn't in the CGI era of Thomas will be made.
It would be completely doable for Bachmann to make Smudger though considering he's just a repaint of Rheneas. Granted he was featured in one single episode, but a repaint and new face does not cost a lot to produce at all. I don't see duke happening, but KATO makes a 009 Princess which is Duke's basis, making it extremly easy for modellers to make a highly accurate and detailed Duke.
Sadly, given what Doug Blaine said about Stepney, he may never get made, solely because he never appeared in the CGI series. Same goes for any others that never officially appeared in CGI, like Duke and BoCo.
HO Scale possibilities for the NMRA announcements can be Sidney, Fernando, or Green Salty for recolors, or if they have Rebecca unpainted by then, the next new tooling could be Nia, Stanley, Whiff, Hiro, or Stephen because they're making the Open Carriage, which may indicate plans for Stephen. Hopefully by then, we at least see Rebecca in the unpainted stage. For HO Scale rolling stock, they could add the Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers.
In the N Scale thread, I already talked about how Bachmann must announce Henry with the Express Coaches for N Scale at the NMRA this summer. If not the Express Coaches just yet, other very welcome rolling stock possibilities being the Red Coaches, or a trio of open wagons, like Red Open Wagon, Blue Open Wagon and Coal Wagon w/ Load.
I actually did want to talk about Stephen after sitting back on the open carriage announcement from earlier.
The more I'm thinking about it, the more I see this as a stand-alone rolling stock announcement without any sort of hint/plan for Stephen to be announced. The reason being is that the open carriage, while pulled often by Stephen (more than most engines on the show), isn't necessarily assigned specifically to Stephen. In fact it was introduced a year before Stephen did in season 16, which Bachmann did use a photo from in the catalog:
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I think the reason why we are getting the open carriage is because Bachmann wanted to introduce products this year that would be great additions to go along with the upcoming figure packs. The fact that the carriage and Sir Topham Hatt's car of all things were the only new HO announcements in the catalog further solidifies that idea. Hopefully this gives us more ideas on what to expect for figure packs like a Sodor passenger pack or even a brass band figure pack, which the latter has been seen pretty frequently in the open carriage on numerous occasions in the CGI series.
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Either way, more figure packs coming in the future would be really exciting and I would love to see more in the future and hopefully updates on the previously announced packs.
Now I got a better understanding of the Open Carriage. It's not necessarily for Stephen, but rather, it's being made so that the upcoming HO Scale figures would have something to ride in.
That being said, another idea that would make use of the figures would be Samson, which would be another new tooling. Being a cabless tank engine, Samson could be given crew members to put onboard. With Samson, Bradford can also be made as his brake van, using a UK tooling like Toad did in HO Scale. Also being Bradford's first official piece of merchandise, and another good option for a brake van.
An already-released engine like Rosie can also have crew members put inside.
I agree that the Sodor Brass Band would be a terrific addition, as it would appeal to both older and younger fans, go nicely with the upcoming open carriage, and add some festivity to anyone's model railroad.
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This may be wishful thinking, but the bandstand would be a very nice bonus that adds to the festivity. I would imagine that it would be made out of plastic like the square water tower in the line. Nevertheless, details like this are what really bring any model railroad to life.
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Any word or idea when the Narrow Gauge brake van and vans coming out?
The Bachmann UK Website gives an estimate of April/May, so I'd imagine it would probably be around that time frame for the US as well.
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Hi just a quick update to my previous post in terms of the breakdown train I thought of that particular rolling stock could be used as Judy and Jerome from the Adventure Begins movie and the Arrsdale to Hardwick Branch line so they'll go great with the Origin James and Thomas as well Daisy and soon to be Ryan. Judy and Jerome would be fantastic to have because Rocky I believe would cost quite a lot to make for a new tooling he'd probably have to have his own motor to run to help other engines to pull him
I would appreciate Judy and Jerome as rolling stock additions for sure, especially with the two for one deal Bachmann seems to be going for with rolling stock. They could even do a standard breakdown crane without a face and nameplate if they wished, but if they didn't that would be understandable too.
The works unit coach would also make a great addition to go alongside Judy and Jerome. Again, another two in one deal since both an orange and the green one have been used in the CGI series, and technically a blue one used in the background of Percy and the Calliope:
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Honestly if I had to choose between another new engine in HO or Judy Jerome and the works unit cars, I would happily choose the latter since having breakdown cranes in the range would offer more diversity in rolling stock and would make a far more welcome addition for pretty much any other engine candidate on the table for HO, except for maybe Hiro.
For a new rolling stock tooling in HO Scale, the Works Unit Coach would be the perfect choice. It can be made in green, blue, and orange. Three different liveries. That would certainly make for a great trio of rolling stock in HO Scale. The Works Unit Coach would be a much simpler new tooling (a basic shape) than Judy and Jerome, which also aren't bad choices, considering Bachmann does make rail cranes. They just haven't bothered making any for the Thomas line.
So, for the next new rolling stock tooling in HO Scale, I'd say the Works Unit Coach is the #1 priority, especially for being a basic shape.
For motive power, Winston may be feasible in HO Scale, considering Bachmann UK makes Wickham trolleys, and Winston literally is a Wickham trolley. He would also make great use of the Sir Topham Hatt figure. Something for him to ride in.
I like the idea of the breakdown crane and the unit coach.
I'm one of those fans that prefer a faceless character like the breakdown cranes.
I grew up with them not having one and suddenly out of no where they have names and faces in the movie.
Add on pieces to apply if you want them is a good choice.
Quote from: Chaz on February 21, 2023, 06:54:23 PMI would appreciate Judy and Jerome as rolling stock additions for sure, especially with the two for one deal Bachmann seems to be going for with rolling stock. They could even do a standard breakdown crane without a face and nameplate if they wished, but if they didn't that would be understandable too.
The works unit coach would also make a great addition to go alongside Judy and Jerome. Again, another two in one deal since both an orange and the green one have been used in the CGI series, and technically a blue one used in the background of Percy and the Calliope:
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Honestly if I had to choose between another new engine in HO or Judy Jerome and the works unit cars, I would happily choose the latter since having breakdown cranes in the range would offer more diversity in rolling stock and would make a far more welcome addition for pretty much any other engine candidate on the table for HO, except for maybe Hiro.
Judy and Jerome would be wonderful additions to the line, as would the Works Unit coach. Judy and Jerome would certainly be easier and make more sense to make than Rocky, who I have a hunch his complex design would make him extremely expensive to produce.
At this point, Hiro is the only engine for HO who I think would be received well. Stanley and Whiff would be nice additions, but the fact remains is that they do not seem to be as well-liked as Hiro. Charlie -- while having a very pleasing color palette -- would also be a horrible addition, given how his stint during the Miller era made him one of the many things a lot of people dislike about that time in Thomas. He also hadn't played a major role in the show since Season 18, before permanently being reduced to background appearances and cameos.
In HO Scale, Hiro would be the new tooling for an engine that would be best-received, as he is the most popular CGI-originated character. With Rebecca joining the range, which is bringing tender engines back to HO Scale, Hiro is now more possible. Rebecca's wheels can even be used as parts for Hiro. Just repainted, plus two additional drive wheels.
Judy, Jerome and the Works Unit Coach would be the best choices for new rolling stock toolings. I'd love to see the Works Unit Coach released in green, orange and blue. Like I said about Judy and Jerome, Bachmann has done rail cranes for HO Scale. They just haven't bothered doing any for the Thomas line. Doesn't mean they can't.
Well, here we go. The announcements as mentioned earlier were fairly small as Bachmann is clearly playing catch-up on previously announced products. So I'll be sharing my thoughts on what I think should be introduced next for NMRA and 2024. Got a lot to get through, so here are my thoughts.
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HO engine wise, the only engine I would be interested in seeing at this point would be Hiro. Many fans, including myself, are still salty Bachmann picked Rebecca over Hiro since Hiro was a much more popular request than Rebecca (long before she was ever a thing for that matter), and would have been a much better seller too. But if Hiro is the next new engine tooling after Rebecca, then all would be forgiven on my end. He might be more expensive than Rebecca, but I can promise you right now fans would be a lot more willing to pay the higher cost for a Hiro model than they would for Rebecca, especially the Japanese fans.
I do want to talk more about rolling stock though, particularly Judy and Jerome and the works unit cars:
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Judy and Jerome offer major diversity for Bachmann's rolling stock, particularly since there isn't a breakdown crane in the range yet. These seem like an easy two for one cash in just begging to happen. Their different faces make them easily recognizable, their designs are surprisingly simple, (especially compared to Harvey and Rocky), and they go along nicely with several of Bachmann's current offerings including the recently released Daisy and Ryan.
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And since Bachmann's been on a kick of introducing recolors during slower times, in the future they can even introduce a plain breakdown crane as a recolor option, giving fans an option if they want to go a more classic style route.
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And finally, in order to complete the breakdown train, they will need to introduce a works unit car. This is a relatively easy piece for Bachmann to make despite being a new tooling and they offer different livery choices, orange, green and even blue. All of which have been present in the CGI series.
The only drawback I see to Judy and Jerome would be the high price tag, but if Bachmann is seriously willing to go along with Rebecca with a ridiculously high RRP at $300, then I really don't see what should stop them from adding Judy and Jerome in the range at this point. Again, not as many people will pay a lot of money for Rebecca, but a lot of people will be more likely to spend a similar amount on both Judy and Jerome and the works unit cars.
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As for narrow gauge, considering how long it took them to get Peter Sam out and how slow progress has been on Sir Handel, I'm not expecting a Duncan announcement until NMRA 2024 at the earliest. I do think out of the remaining narrow gauge engines in the CGI seasons, Duncan would make the most sense to be introduced despite many fans indifference to the CGI design. That being said, I think many people would still appreciate Duncan being picked next if it meant completing all the classic narrow gauge engines who appeared in CGI, so I think it'd be worth the investment for Bachmann for that reason alone.
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I do, however, think that they could benefit from, at least, adding some more rolling stock re-colors. While the new box vans and brake vans turned out great, it would be nice seeing these being available in brown as these were both present in the model and CGI seasons. To add, the brown variants are the only ones used in the CGI seasons and are almost always used in narrow gauge goods trains. Hopefully Bachmann can introduce these in their next lineup!
Also there's one more numbered slate wagon Bachmann has yet to introduce which is #138, but like how they introduced the recent one they can throw that one in the range anytime they'd like.
All right time for my N scale wishlist! Since we are currently waiting on a batch of three engines in the form of Toby, Gordon and Emily, I'd like to suggest my top three engines that I would like to see included in the lineup next:
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After seeing the engineering sample of Gordon being done so quickly, I have zero doubt that there are plans for Henry in the future, given the shared motor and chassis (minus Gordon's trailing wheels) he and Gordon both share on the show. Henry has always been a popular seller with Bachmann in HO and his Tomix model is still going for high prices online, thus indicating that an N scale Henry model will be a very popular seller. He's been the top request for the n scale range for a reason, and it would be disappointing if they picked any other engine before Henry for their next engine announcement.
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After Henry, I feel like Edward is a very natural next step, completing the original main cast of characters in addition to having promising strong sales that would mirror that of Gordon and Henry. His HO model was and still is a very popular seller too. So popular that both his model and Henry's sales were enough to convince Bachmann UK to recently add both him and Henry in their limited lineup of Thomas models. The fact that they picked them before Emily or even Diesel speaks very high volumes.
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Once Bachmann finishes the original main cast, I think Duck should be one of the first side characters to be introduced in the N scale range. Just like Henry and Edward, Duck's HO model has incredibly strong sales indicating that he should be prioritized over many of the other side characters in N scale. Duck also is very popular with both he older and younger audiences and carries a strong presence in both the model and the CGI series. He's an iconic classic character with a lot going for him, it would be silly for him to not be picked after Henry and Edward, except for maybe Diesel.
Speaking of, honorable mentions for future engine candidates go to Diesel and Oliver. Diesel feels like a shoe-in Bachmann can add to N scale anytime, especially with the multiple recolor choices, while Oliver would go along great with the N scale Toad model.
Now let's talk about rolling stock. Bachmann's introduced a lot of new rolling stock toolings in N scale in such a short amount of time so hopefully these can be considered during the NMRA and 2024. So here are my top three new rolling stock toolings (in addition to an additional recolor):
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Gordon's express coaches are such a low-hanging fruit for rolling stock, and I'm surprised these weren't announced alongside Gordon last summer. However, I'd like to think we aren't that far off from seeing them given the progress Bachmann has made on the N scale Gordon. They can also introduce red express coaches at a later date with the same toolings too. It's also worth noting that the market for express coaches in N scale is evident given by how much the red ones go for online, just like Henry.
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The red coaches would also make very welcome additions too as mentioned before. I feel these however can wait until after the express coaches, but regardless I feel these will find their way in the range eventually. They've always been popular sellers with Bachmann and look great behind most engines on the show. They were popular in HO and they have been flying off shelves for the large scale range, and I have no doubt they would do the same for N. They can also reuse the tooling for these to make Toby's Museum coaches too.
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While there aren't really any other wagon recolors I'm interested in personally, I feel like a very natural and welcome addition would be the original coal wagon with load. The dark green livery with black frames was always an iconic livery used in both the model and CGI series and the coal load itself has always been a fun gimmick to swap around with various wagons in the range. It's also been very popular in HO and at one point large scale, still being produced by the former several years later, thus indicating that this will be a recolor that will continue to have strong sales in N scale too.
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And last but not least, brake vans! The 20 ton brake van tooling being glossed over in favor of Toad was kind of an odd choice on Bachmann's part, but regardless I feel Bachmann can still introduce this tooling into the range and introduce a brake van in a livery similar to what's been shown in the CGI series in addition to making one for the spiteful brake van, who was also a very popular seller in HO and large scale.
Honorable mentions for future pieces of N scale rolling stock go to the mail car and a new tanker tooling. The mail car has always been popular with Bachmann and there's multiple colors they can work off of. Plus the market for N scale mail cars are there since Tomix made them at one point. As for a new tanker tooling, I feel the benefit to introducing a newer and more accurate N scale tanker tooling would be in Bachmann's best interest since most fans aren't a fan of the current tankers since they're recolors of the Graham farish tooling due to their their inaccuracy to what's in the show. Discontinuing them in favor of introducing a new tanker tooling in the form of milk, oil, and fuel would really win a lot of fans over and make up for lackluster sales with the Graham farish recolors.
So that's pretty much everything, let me know your thoughts and hopefully we will see most of these find their way in either the NMRA and/or 2024.
Have to agree with your post, Chaz! Your comments are spot on.
The only things I can really add are that Judy and Jerome make more sense than Rocky because they have simpler tooling(s). The Works Unit coach has been seen by itself and with the Breakdown Train, so I'd be okay if it was announced by itself first. Henry in N scale also completes the original Tomix quartet. Edward was another one promised by Tomix at one point but never produced so he also makes sense. Diesel is an inevitable addition as well. I'm surprised the Brown narrow gauge brake and box vans have yet to be announced, but I also think they should be announced in the not too distant future.
The best choice for an engine in HO Scale at this time is Hiro, while the best choices for rolling stock are Judy, Jerome, and the Works Unit Coach. All of which require new toolings, but will be well worth it. While Hiro will be the most expensive model in HO Scale, given his sheer size, but many are willing to pay that much for him. There is a market for Hiro. Engine recolors can include Sidney, Fernando, or Green Salty, while rolling stock recolors can include bringing the Chocolate Syrup Tanker and Toffee Tanker to HO Scale.
For Narrow Gauge, the best choices are Duncan, as well as the brown brake van and box van. Although many are iffy on Duncan's CGI render, he will complete the classic Skarloey Railway engines that appeared in CGI. Progress has been slow on Sir Handel, so it may be a while before Duncan gets announced.
For N Scale, the best choice for an engine is Henry. After Henry, it would be most natural to follow with Edward, which will complete the original main cast in N Scale. The best choices for the first side characters would be Diesel, Duck and Oliver. Like Chaz said, Diesel would be a shoe-in with many potential recolors, including Paxton, whose face will look a lot better without the eye mechanism being an issue like it was in HO Scale. For N Scale rolling stock, the best choices would be the Express Coaches, Red Coaches, Mail Car, Coal Wagon w/ Load, Red Open Wagon, and brake vans, including the Spiteful Brake Van.
Great work on the post, Chaz! Reading your suggestions is always a pleasure and this post was no exception.
Starting with HO, with CGI engines considered, I completely agree that Hiro is the number one engine that should be announced. As a character that has been in the show from the very beginning of the CGI era (now over a decade ago!), he would be a very popular seller for fans both young and old. This is a model that I would love to pick up as well.
Moving on to rolling stock, the works unit coach would be a terrific addition, given the recolor possibilities, and the fact that it has appeared in the show since the very first season. As primarily a model era Thomas modeler, I would pick up the green variant, but I could see the orange and blue variants selling well too. The good thing is that all three appeared in the CGI era. As for the breakdown train, I am all for it, given its unique look and function. The original crane, Judy, Jerome, and Rocky are all choices that I am on board with.
For Narrow Gauge, Duncan and the brown brake van definitely feel like logical additions for the future. If possible though, it would be beneficial for Bachmann's Duncan model to have a mix of real-life proportions and a CGI paint scheme. This would be the best of both worlds, just as Skarloey was.
Lastly, for N Scale, as others have stated multiple times, Henry certainly feels like the most logical choice when considering which engine to announce next. As for rolling stock, the express coaches would be excellent, but I would personally love to see the original coal wagon with load too, as mentioned.
Here's hoping most of these suggestions, along with some new HO Figure Packs, will be announced in the next few years!
Rebecca has certainly raised the demand for Hiro in HO Scale. Rebecca's announcement had officially put tender engines back into the picture, considering she is the first newly-tooled tender engine in HO Scale since Donald and Douglas. We may see her unpainted prototype this summer at the earliest.
Did you know that Rebecca was intended to be a Season 21 character? After several episodes got cut, she wasn't introduced until the next season. The start of a short-lived era that killed the original show, but that's a different topic.
Hiro will even be prioritized over the likes of Stanley and Whiff, since he's much more popular, including among the Japanese audience. He's one of those CGI characters that's actually a big fan favorite. Maybe after Hiro, Flying Scotsman could be another good choice for a tender engine, since it's been 100 years since Flying Scotsman first came to service, and he was in CGI. The only issue is his second tender, which will make him more expensive. Hiro has two more drive wheels than Rebecca, but should still be feasible. If we just can't get Stepney, Hiro will be more than welcome.
From what I believe, Hornby owns the licence to the Flying Scotsman, which is why Bachmann haven't made a regular version on the engine.
Bachmann could still make the character Flying Scotsman, though he may not get released in the UK, especially if Hornby does own the exclusive rights to produce models of the real-life counterpart. Bachmann couldn't even sell their HO Scale Thomas products in the UK until Hornby dropped their Thomas license. Marketed there as OO Scale.
For now, our main focus for HO Scale is Hiro. For N Scale, it's Henry.
Quote from: Zekeism on March 03, 2023, 08:25:25 PMFrom what I believe, Hornby owns the licence to the Flying Scotsman, which is why Bachmann haven't made a regular version on the engine.
Hornby does not hold exclusive rights to the Flying Scotsman loco, evident by Dapol making the Flying Scotsman in N Scale and O Scale. From my understanding, a manufacturer has pay a licensing fee to the NRM to make models of it. I believe that is the case with all NRM-owned locos, such as Mallard, City of Truro, etc... Bachmann Europe has made many models with the NRM seal of approval so I assume they would be perfectly capable of doing the Thomas version of Flying Scotsman, if it were a viable venture.
For what its worth, I think a Thomas version of Flying Scotsman would be currently better suited to the N Scale range than HO. Since his model in the 3D animated show is an altered version of Gordon's, they can recycle the chassis from the upcoming N Scale Gordon and just make a new body shell and set of tenders. Meanwhile in HO since HO Gordon is so disproportionate compared to the show, they'd have to make a new chassis from scratch for Flying Scotsman. From that alone the retail price for an HO Flying Scotsman would exceed that of Rebecca or even a prospective Hiro. An HO version could still do well regardless of the pricing, it'd just be a more economic choice in N with what assets currently exist for it to utilize, ha ha ha.
A little late to responding but thanks for the strong feedback on my post earlier everyone! I'm glad to see the general consensus for Hiro and N scale Henry still going as strong as ever. Hopefully they will be considered next when Bachmann looks into more engines for those lines respectively.
I'm also happy to see the positive reception for Judy and Jerome after their recent mention earlier took off. Those along with the works unit cars would make for some very fun additions for rolling stock too. N scale express coaches are still as strong as ever for requests, something tells me we aren't far off from seeing those happen too.
Regarding the Flying Scotsman, I wouldn't mind a model of him, but like Duncan, his CGI render looks really off-putting to me, particularly with the six wheel tenders. That and with Rebecca's RRP at $300, I'd expect Scotsman to be even more expensive which might factor whether or not Scotsman would be a practical addition or not. I'm sure Hiro would be worth more than Rebecca too, but as I said before, Hiro is one of those very few characters fans will happily buy regardless of price. While I can't say the same thing for Rebecca, it might be a different case for Scotsman. He is a nostalgic character with an appropriate following and the right appeal for sure, but his design and personality in the CGI series are so completely different from what was on the books or the cameo of his tenders, that he may as well be a different character at that point (but of course that's just my opinion). I'm sure some fans will jump on it, but I'd personally rather see Hiro first before Bachmann takes on a more ambitious project like the Flying Scotsman.
Flying Scotsman might be better made in N Scale before HO Scale because Gordon's chassis is disproportionate in HO Scale, so Flying Scotsman's tooling would have to be made 100% from scratch. But for N Scale, Flying Scotsman can use Gordon's chassis, like Henry. For Henry, Bachmann just needs to remove the trailing wheels. Could N Scale Spencer also be made using Gordon's chassis? Though his trailing wheels would be done differently. Spencer would also pave the way for the Special Coach to be made in N Scale. Spencer is definitely feasible, though I think we're better off getting Henry and Edward in N Scale first, so we'd have all eight members of the original main cast.
I wouldn't mind seeing Spencer in N scale, as he is a very popular character and his HO model was always a very popular seller. He's admittedly not one who I'm particularly anxious to see, but I wouldn't rule him out from being introduced in the future. I'd prefer seeing him introduced later after a few other characters are introduced first though, besides just Edward and Henry like Duck and Diesel since they have a much bigger fan-following.
I think both Hiro and Flying Scotsman would be excellent choices!
I would prefer to see Hiro first, just because he's such a fan favorite. I have no doubt that he would sell very well. Also, I know Bachmann really likes offering repaints, so perhaps Patchwork Hiro could also be a possibility? He was in this paint scheme for a good portion of "Hero of the Rails," so I think this wouldn't be a terrible idea if Bachmann was looking to get the best usage out of a new tooling.
As for Flying Scotsman, I actually quite like his interpretation in the CGI series. It's very different from the books, but I think they each stand out in their own ways. It would definitely have a high price tag, but I would buy a model of the Flying Scotsman in a heart beat. Although I do think Hiro should be done first.
It's better that Hiro gets made in HO Scale before Flying Scotsman. Bachmann can even do a recolor using Hiro's tooling, which would be his patchwork livery. Hiro is the #1 priority for a new engine in HO Scale, even more than Stanley and Whiff, since he is a big fan favorite, and one of the most popular CGI characters.
While Spencer is another good idea for another big engine in N Scale, but after Edward and Henry, there are other side characters that should join the range first, like Diesel, Duck and Oliver. Diesel's tooling would be highly versatile for recolors like Paxton, Sidney, 'Arry and Bert. The latter two would sell better if their faces were different, with Bert having noticeably more stubble. Duck and Oliver would make sense, as they're both very popular classic characters that appeared in CGI, and sold well in HO Scale, especially with Toad joining the range as the first brake van.
On the topic of new HO tender engines, I agree that Hiro would make the most sense. He is the best of both worlds, given that he appeared in CGI (for younger fans) and has appeared in the show for over a decade, and thus has nostalgic value (for older fans).
I know for a fact that Murdoch would sell incredibly well too, but he would unfortunately not be approved by the licensor for the same reason that Stepney will most likely not happen. With that, I do hope that the licensor understands that most parents would not spend over $180 for an engine that mainly appeals to young fans, but that is a discussion for another time.
As for Flying Scotsman, I would be content with a model of him, as he technically appeared in both the model and CGI eras of the show, plus the Railway Series for that matter. However, other manufacturers have already made Flying Scotsman models that are sold in the US and I could also see retailing for a lower price than a Thomas model. Hence, I would be somewhat concerned about how well this model sells. Nevertheless, he would be a welcome addition.
Just had a thought as I was heading home from work today:
Bachmann is *probably* never going to produce Diesel 10 in HO scale.
But the fact that he is more likely than a Bachmann Stepney- only due to the fact that Diesel 10 appeared in the CGI series is absolutely wild.
Bachmann, please figure out a way to give us this fan-favorite and highly requested little tank engine. It would be the smartest financial move for a newly-tooled loco, no question.
I don't know how others feel about this matter, but I think it would be nice to see non-rail characters such as Bertie, Terence, or Cranky added to the N Scale "Thomas" lineup. If I were modeling in HO I would not feel as strongly since most typical "Thomas" toys roughly fit in that size range, even if they may not be to the same detail standard as say, Bachmann's model of Terence. But since N Scale is smaller than most typical "Thomas" toys, its been difficult identifying and procuring reasonable representations of these characters for the scale. I wouldn't consider it a priority by any means but it would be nice for those of us making dedicated layouts for N Scale "Thomas", especially if they were new tools that reflected the "CGI" design specifications instead of scaled-down versions of the HO vehicles.
Adding non-rail characters like Bertie, Harold and Terence would be great ideas in N scale. It should be worth noting, that Bertie and Harold were recently added to the Bachmann Europe range, alongside Edward and Henry, so I wouldn't rule them out from happening in N scale.
Cranky would also make for a welcome addition too in N scale, as it would help fans recreate scenes from the docks in N scale. He's always been a very popular character from the brand since his introduction in the fifth season, and hopefully cranky in particular will allow Bachmann to add other accessories/buildings in N scale to help recreate more scenes from Sodor in N scale.
I believe Bachmann is going to release in the N Scale range. Everything that originally got released in HO. The same engines, rolling stock and vehicles.
Quote from: really called Thomas on January 22, 2023, 12:47:32 PMEver since Bachmann UK started introducing DCC-ready locos, I have held off buying more (I already had the Famous Eight!). Now with Edward and Henry being available, I am just waiting on Duck so I can upgrade my collection. I am sure at some point the rest of the fleet will be made DCC-ready, with Diesel and Bill & Ben, followed by Donald & Douglas top of my wish list!
So something very interesting I saw today that should give you, and a few others in the UK, some hope about that...
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A friend of mine recently got a Bachmann Oliver for his birthday and very interestingly it seems Oliver received an interesting revision. He's been fitted with a much thicker dummy hook and lampiron similar to that from the UK line. Now this might not mean anything to some, but I remember seeing this with the Edward and Henry models before their announcement from Bachmann Europe came around. And since Duck and Oliver are still really popular sellers with Bachmann and Toad is already in the UK lineup, Oliver receiving this update is a really good sign. Definitely seems likely that both he, and most likely Duck, will most likely join the UK lineup eventually. And if we're lucky enough, once Henry and Edward find their way in the N scale range, Duck and Oliver's popularity can continue even further allowing them to find their way in the N scale range too.
So the latest Trainworld stream did not show N Scale Gordon fully painted, but did reveal HO Scale Beau, who is fully painted. Beau actually turned out really good. He doesn't have buffers, but that makes him more realistic, since American engines don't have buffers, plus being made from an existing tooling, that would've raised the cost. He doesn't have moving eyes, but makes up for it with a working headlamp. We're now getting an American-styled engine in the HO Scale Thomas range. His rear coupler is hook-and-loop, which makes him compatible with Thomas rolling stock, but his front coupler is a knuckle coupler, so that it doesn't create such a large gaping hole.
Beau is currently the only engine in the HO Scale range not to have moving eyes, but does have a working light, at the result of being made from an existing tooling. It may not be until the summer when they're finally ready to show an unpainted prototype of Rebecca. Next month for sure, they should have N Scale Gordon and Emily fully painted.
I am not (quite) interested in N scale (except HOn30) or G scale, but I do have idea for HO and HOn30 scale.
HO engines :
Stepney of course , we have been suggesting it from 2019 even more before , but first it delayed because Ryan ( who have terrible price ) , second because Daisy . Now it's time for Stepney of 40 years Thomas and Friends celebration .
Boco , which usually have chance because of Daisy .
Murdoch and Hiro , too big for Thomas and Friends series but still have chance .
HO rolling stocks :
Re-release of tar tanker ( PS : the nearest hobby store around my home still has goods in stock of it ) , flatbed with paint drums .
Chinese dragon , which can use the flatbed of log or paint durms' .
Gordon's special coach and old slow coach , simply recolour .
HO buildings :
Re-release of Maithwhite , Tidmouth and Knapford Station .
Knapford Shed , perfect home for Salty .
Henry 's Tunnel , we can make video for Henry's sad story now !
HO Non-rails :
Remote Bertie , Harold and more : will let the 30-dollar-plastic-push-thing became more-expensive-but-more-fun-stuff .
Jack and the pack : I mean , just Jack and Alfie .
HOn30 :
Duke , a tiny chance ( of course will be later than Duncan )
Culdee and Culdee Fell Railway coaches , less chance than Duke .
Refreshment coach , just for fun .
Flatbed with logs , steel or puppets , for fun too .
Have been doing research for possible tank car liveries on my layout, and found this Die-Cast toy with a rather cool looking Jet Fuel logo. There aren't many red tank cars on Sodor, the only one I can think of besides this is the Raspberry Syrup Tank, which I do like the look of but seems at risk of being discontinued given its compatriot the Cream Tank has disappeared from both HO and Large Scale. If Bachmann is ever in need of a new red tank car for the Thomas line, I think this is the ticket.
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Stanley and Level Crossing Gates in HO/OO Scale, Large Scale and N Scale would be cool! I like to get Stanley and Level Crossing Gates in HO/OO Scale at some point in the future! That would be nice!
Recently, the images of HO Scale Ryan and N Scale Toby have been posted.
HO Scale Ryan:
https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=756_772_774&products_id=8037
N Scale Toby:
https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=756_1126_1127&products_id=8592
Should hopefully arrive in stock within the next month. Now that Beau has been shown fully painted, his image needs to get posted, too. I'm sure progress has been made on both Sir Handel and Rebecca. They too should get posted to the store, but with render illustrations for the time being.
I'm not sure if this is a suggestion that Bachmann would consider, especially since they seem to be opposed to making model series exclusive characters at the moment, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
With the recent release of Beau, it's clear that the main reason this relatively obscure character was made since there was already a preexisting tooling. All they had to do was give it a repaint and slap on a face, and it was clearly quick and cost efficient to make. So, my line of thought is that this could be applied to other obscure characters from the show. For example, bachmann europe has an Ivatt 3mt listed, which I feel most closely resembles the prop used for Arthur. All bachmann would have to do is give it a repaint and a face, and you have Arthur. This could be applied to other preexisting toolings as well for other characters. They could even offer them as limited editions to boost early sales.
I'm not sure if this is something anyone on here would be interested in, but I personally think that it is the best way to get the characters that us older fans would most appreciate.
I also hope that method could be used to create Arthur, and other characters as well. Maybe they could also repaint their 'Arry and Bert models into Splatter and Dodge too. They would be really cheap and easy to make, the only new component needed to be made would be a single face mold, as Splatter and Dodge share the same face in all of their appearances.
I also hope that since Beau is a rather obscure character, I hope Bachmann is willing to do Sonny as well. I know they would have to make a new tooling, but there is barely any merchandise of Sonny, so Bachmann could take the opportunity to capitalize on that and be one of the few ranges that does make Sonny merchandise.
Another point I have mentioned before is that as far as I know, there is no HO/OO model of Sonny's basis Bellerophon at the present time, which is a popular icon for railway fans. Given that many modelers will convert Bachmann Narrow-Gauge Skarloey Railway engines into their Tallylyn Railway counterparts, Bachmann could make Sonny for both Thomas modelers and non-Thomas modelers who wish to convert a Sonny into Bellerophon.
Bachmann could even make their own Bellerophon using a Sonny model as a basis, given that Bachmann is planning releases of non-Thomas Tallylyn.
And Sonny DID have much more roles and appearances that Beau, as far as I know anyway.
Limited Edition Metallic Engines with Moving Eyes would be cool! When I was very sad and disappointed about Stanley with Moving Eyes, Norman with Moving Eyes and Level Crossing Gates is not here for this year! It would be moved to 2024 Product Announcements at some point in the future!
Old Shape Henry with Moving Eyes (Limited Edition) and Sodor Steamworks would be cool!
Does Bachmann's license allow for products of objects not seen on screen?
I'm sure people would buy a Sodor Line bobber caboose to go with their Beau locomotive. Bachmann already produces a painted & unlettered version with the correct colors, all that is required is the "SODOR LINE" block letters.
Quote from: Red Tender 5 on May 22, 2023, 02:17:18 AMDoes Bachmann's license allow for products of objects not seen on screen?
I'm sure people would buy a Sodor Line bobber caboose to go with their Beau locomotive. Bachmann already produces a painted & unlettered version with the correct colors, all that is required is the "SODOR LINE" block letters.
I believe they are allowed to make rolling stock that was not seen on-screen. Many of the more recent rolling stock liveries make use of logos and lettering seen only on toys. "Sodor Scrap Co.", "Brendam Bay Shipping Co.", "Sodor Fruit & Vegetable Co.", etc. I assume putting the Sodor Line Caboose into the lineup would be at the mercy of licensor approval. However I think Mattel would be willing to approve its use, as they did approve the use of the Caboose in some CGI-style books which were published as recently as 2020. Lionel also has a version of the Caboose as a regular feature in their Thomas lineup, which I believe would have also required approval from Mattel.
I'm unsure about how popular it would be among hardcore Sodor modellers since it has never appeared in the TV show, but given Beau's reception has been positive enough to make Bachmann reconsider his 'limited run' status, I believe many would welcome it not only for its synergy with him but as a novelty item in general. And because Bachmann makes Bobber Cabooses in both HO and N Scales, it would also be easy to bring over to N Scale if it ends up being popular in HO. ;D
One rolling stock idea I have for HO Scale that hasn't been talked about is a Sodor Recycling Wagon. The front one, which can use the existing open wagon tooling. It can have a load, or even a face, like shown in the provided image. The load can still be tires, or it can be cans, paper, or bottles. Though, the Sodor Scrap Wagon ended up not having a load. Might need a new mold for the load part if there is one.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Troublesome_Trucks_(T%26F)/Merchandise?file=WoodenRailwayRecyclingCars.jpg
I tried uploading the image as a file, but kept getting the "upload directory is full" error.
Given the limited number of NG characters in Thomas (especially when compared to the number of standard gauge ones), does anyone think there's a fair chance that engines like Smudger, Proteus and even Duke could be manufactured in the future? I personally believe all three would sell ridiculously well. The tooling for Smudger is already available in the form of Rheneas and the same will be said for Proteus once Sir Handel is released. The only new things required for those characters are their respective repaints and faces. As for Duke, KATO/PECO have made NG models of the real locomotive and it makes me wonder if Bachmann would be allowed to take that tooling and make a model of both Granpuff and maybe even Bertram?
I know what's been said regarding Bachmann making characters exclusive to the model series, but given the limited number of narrow gauge engines and the fact that these characters are all fairly popular in their own right, I feel Bachmann would be making a big mistake in not considering this.
What do you guys all think?
As a fan of the older model series, I would absolutely support a model of Duke, Smudger, or Bertram, as I firmly believe that they would be a great opportunity for Bachmann in terms of profit (especially Duke as a narrow gauge tender engine). As stated though, it all comes down to what the licensor prefers, which as of now seems to be the newer CGI characters. However, as we progress further into All Engines Go, it makes me wonder if Mattel could finally allow Bachmann to make those model era characters that fans have cherished for decades, but only time will tell. In the meantime, I could see Stanley, Whiff, and Hiro as good options for standard gauge, and Victor and Luke as good options for narrow gauge.
On the subject of the Sodor Line Caboose, I completely support it. Like Beau, it would be unique novelty item for the Thomas line, and something that I would be interested in adding to my collection. The recycling wagon could be fun as well.
I agree with your choices of characters to be produced in the meantime Terence. Hiro is a character that is popular with both fans old and new and while I'm not a fan of Rebecca being produced, that opens up an opportunity for another large tender engine to be produced in the future. Hiro would also open up opportunities for modellers to make the model into that of the real D51 engine class.
Stanley is also another engine I could see being made and going down well with old and new fans. Stanley is a pretty underused character and I feel that's a shame as he looks cool and debuted in a pretty solid Thomas film. His shiny, silver paint would certainly look nice among the other engines in the range. He could probably also reuse Thomas's chassis.
On the subject of rolling stock; I would like to think there's more possibility of seeing more classic series products like The Spiteful Brakevan (albeit that being a simple repaint). I'd personally love to see the old coaches seen all the way back in Series 1 if possible as I think they'd go nicely with pretty much all the engines and would complement the green express coaches well too.
Rebecca's announcement really skyrocketed the demand for Hiro, now that Bachmann is back to making tender engines in HO Scale. Stanley would also be a good choice for HO Scale, since he has a unique white livery, plus he can reuse Thomas' chassis with red wheels. Whiff would be another good choice for a larger tank engine. He would be about as long as Ryan, though they'd have to make his front wheels powered as well. If we do get Whiff, we could then get Scruff to complete the Waste Dump duo. We already have the Harwick duo in HO Scale. Could we eventually get the Waste Dump duo? The Dieselworks duo would be Den and Dart, which are two diesel engines that require new toolings.
As we get deeper into All Engines Go, once Bachmann runs out of CGI options, especially for Narrow Gauge, could Mattel finally let them produce more classic series characters like Duke, Smudger, Stepney and BoCo? Smudger would be a recolor of Rheneas' tooling, and once we get Sir Handel, Proteus can be made from his tooling. Duke would have Bertram as a potential recolor as well. Bachmann UK also has the tooling for Mighty Mac, but one problem is that Double Fairlies lack buffers, which Mighty Mac has. Freddie could also become possible, although his side rod configuration is complicated.
Season's Greetings Express Coaches would be interested! Knapford Express Coaches, Danger Signs and Wellsworth Station would be cool!
Well, I figured now is as good of a time as any other to talk about something that I don't think I've really brought in discussion for a while now, starter sets. I haven't done a post devoted to starter sets in a really, really long time. Part of the reason why I have been inspired to do this post, comes from a recent meeting I had with a former student and his dad who are looking into the Hobby. The student is nonverbal, but his dad was telling me that he wants to get his son started with HO but said that he would be interested in a starter set that featured another locomotive besides just Thomas. In the past, it's been stated that sets that feature other characters besides Thomas, don't usually sell well, which is why there haven't been sets devoted to other characters in HO for a really long time.
However, the N scale range seems to have broken that boundary. Last year, a Percy was announced, and this year, an Emily set is now being introduced. Maybe Bachmann is being a little more ambitious with the newer range since it's a good way to get people in N scale? Who knows. Because of these newer sets, and the idea of introducing a new generation into the hobby, I figured that Bachmann could really benefit from adding to their starter set diversity. Especially since, for the most part, most of the engines and stock I am about to suggest in these sets are already present so it's not like it will cost much production wise. So, in honor of this, I figured it's time I shed some light on the subject on starter set ideas again, starting with HO.
The first set is technically not new, it's a re-introduction - the Percy and the troublesome trucks set in HO.
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The Percy set was one of the first train sets announced during the range's launch in 2002 and has been around for a couple of years, only to eventually get discontinued in the late 2000s alongside sets for other characters like Gordon and James. I feel that if Bachmann are reluctant to introducing starter sets in HO to other characters again, I feel doing so with Percy would be the least risky since Percy is still a very popular main character on the show as well as being an icon for the Thomas brand. As per the original, this set would consist of circle of track, Percy, and troublesome trucks #1 and #2.
The second set, I'm about to suggest, is a little bit more ambitious, it is a DCC and sound Thomas and Percy set.
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Bachmann has introduced DCC sets with more than one locomotive in the past (as shown above), to show modelers how they can operate two different locomotives on the same track at the same time at various speeds. If Bachmann really wants to encourage fans to get into the hobby, or let alone something as niche as DCC, why not make a starter set devoted to DCC and sound? This set would include an oval of track, plus a switch and a couple of additional straights and a bumper to park one of the locomotives while running the other. This set would include both the upcoming DCC and sound Thomas and Percy locomotives, in addition to some rolling stock, whether that is the same troublesome trucks #1 and #2 alone, or including both of the trucks plus Annie and Clarabel. It would definitely be an expensive set for sure, but I feel this would really help people get into this rather niche side of the HO Hobby. Even if they did a set with just the upcoming DCC Thomas, with the two trucks, that could easily take place of the current Thomas and troublesome trucks set. Out of all of the sets I'm mentioning, this one is probably the least likely, but I figured I would throw it out there just for some good measure.
The next set is something that I am genuinely surprised has still never happened yet which is a starter set for narrow gauge.
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On a similar point to the DCC set I mentioned earlier, introducing a starter set for the narrow gauge range is a really smart idea and one I'm still surprised Bachmann hasn't considered. OO9/HOn30 is an incredibly niche part of an already incredibly niche hobby that not too many people are going to be familiar with, let alone understand how it works. Heck, even a small number of fans think the Skarloey range is considered N scale and would get the engines and stock mixed up with one another which I feel attributes to why a starter set for the narrow gauge line is a necessity.
The narrow gauge range has been out for almost a decade and still sells really well, but if Bachmann wants to continue to encourage a younger generation to get into the hobby, a good way to get people into this side of the hobby would be to introduce a starter set devoted to Skarloey. This set would include an oval of Bachmann's N scale track, Skarloey, and 3-4 pieces of rolling stock. Personally, I would recommend one of the slate wagons, one of the upcoming box vans and a brake van of a color contrast to the box van included in the set for some further diversity.
The next set I want to talk about is for the already expansive N scale range, which is a set devoted to the upcoming Gordon model.
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Gordon had a set introduced in HO previously, similar to Percy and Emily. And just like those previous sets, they ended up getting discontinued some time later after introduction. However, I think introducing a set for Gordon in N scale would not only be a smart idea, but also a great way to hype up an exciting model making its way into the range. What a better way to honor a long overdue introduction to an N scale Gordon model than to give him his own set too? The only current drawback is that there are currently no express coaches announced in N scale, but something tells me we may not be that far off from this introduction. This set would include an oval of N scale track, Gordon, Gordon's express composite coach, and Gordon's express brake coach.
And the last thing I want to talk about is another re-introduction which is a Thomas starter set in large scale.
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In Bachmann's current 2023 catalog there are only three large scale sets in production period. Not one of these sets is dedicated to the Thomas range. On some level, I understand why. Large scale is already a niche and, quite frankly, a dying part of the hobby with the appeal being fairly limited. But on the opposite end of the coin, I truth be told don't really see the harm in re-introducing only the Thomas set in large scale but just leaving it at that. As I've stated earlier, starter sets really help with getting people into the hobby. Bachmann doesn't need to make a few sets for the large scale range (or narrow gauge either for that matter). But, when there are basically no real starting ground to get people started with large scale Thomas, it in some ways alienates their consumers from getting into collecting this range, let alone large scale as a whole. It might be a risky gamble since the price will likely be high, but that's the nature of G scale and I think consumers who want to get into large scale, or get their kids into G scale probably know this in advance already. It's a risk, sure, but it's one that I think will pay off long term. The contents would be the exact same same as the original release in 2009: a circle of G scale track, Thomas , and Annie and Clarabel.
And that's pretty much it! I know that this is a bit of a tangent, but I feel that getting a younger generation into the hobby is so crucial to keeping it alive for both generations to enjoy together. And the fact that a parent told me he was struggling with options, strikes me as a red flag and is something I feel Bachmann needs to take into consideration, or in some cases, re-consideration. The worst thing that could happen with these sets are that don't sell and collect dust on shelves or in storage. The best case scenario though, is getting more people, particularly a new generation, into the hobby which I feel would benefit everyone involved, Bachmann especially.
Anyway, let me know your thoughts. Which sets do you think could work?
I think in HO, what a side-character focused set needs to succeed is to have a better value for money than the standard "Thomas + Annie & Clarabel + Circle of Track" set. Something along the lines of the Salty or Thomas freight set but featuring a more widely-popular character who isn't just Thomas might do the trick. Say, James with a rake of four wagons? They could be either unique color schemes for existing tools or items plucked from the separate-sale range of wagons, preferably the former to get in more appeal to newcomers. Maybe a bit of both would work? Something like S.C. Ruffey and the Spiteful Brake Van coupled with a Box Van and Tank Car in unique schemes would be a pretty enticing draw for newcomers to the hobby. James has traditionally been the 2nd most popular character in Thomas merchandising as a whole, so I think something like this would be a hit.
As for other scales, you're completely right that we're well over-due for an HOn30 starter set. I think Skarloey with a rake of passenger cars (perhaps ones with liveries unique to the set?) with a loop of track would be a popular item. A Gordon set in N Scale sounds reasonable as well. I think the reason Bachmann is doing N Scale versions of all these discontinued HO sets is because they don't plan on keeping them around forever to begin with. But once Gordon's coaches are announced, I think it's pretty safe to assume they'll be making a set with them and Gordon too. Now all we need in N is a Christmas set...
For Large Scale, I think reintroducing the Thomas set would more or less be the only viable avenue for a new set. You basically hit the nail on the head, Large Scale's popularity dying down nowadays. But surely it having a Thomas-branded entry point into the hobby wouldn't make its situation any worse, would it?
Great overview of Bachmann's sets, Charlie.
This talk of a DCC set makes me wonder what manufacturer they will go with for the sound decoder. Bachmann has worked with Soundtrazz, TCS, and made their own decoders.
It would be amazing if Bachmann used Loksound. The function mapping features of loksound are what make it the best decoder system of all time. Likewise its ability to customize random function activations.
I suspect Bachmann won't use Loksound though. The Charger and Sprinter have WowSound which has no functionality for silencing the horn in reverse for push-pull operation. You also cannot buy the locos in DC or silent configurations, which is disappointing.
My suspicion is Bachmann will make their own branded sound decoder for Thomas and Percy.
I am curious about what changes the sound install will bring. If any significant changes to the tooling improve the quality of the model to the level of more recent T&F releases I might have to pick them up, or wait for the DC version so I can put Loksound in.
Regarding a potential Thomas and Percy digital set, the Digital Commander set does seem like a perfect model for a Thomas and Percy set. The two locos, two troublesome trucks and Annie and Claribel or three troublesome trucks and a brakevan, a loop of track with a stub siding, the brand-new European coupler decoupler, the command station, and an instructional DVD would be a neat set for those who want to have fun driving and switching wagons.
I have some concerns. The Digital Commander set goes for $300 on trainworld. Exchanging the two silent locos for Thomas & Percy with Bachmann Sound installed and exchanging the rolling stock for troublesome trucks and a brakevan, my gut says a potential set will wind up between $500-$600 with Trainworld's discount. This price point seems high for a starter set, I wouldn't pay that much.
You make some excellent points here, Chaz. Considering the Percy set is doing quite well in N scale, it does make sense to bring it back for HO. Since the Thomas and the Troublesome Trucks set was introduced for the 75th anniversary, and the 80th almost two years, put the Troublesome Trucks (and the ore loads, just to give people a reason to get the set if nothing else) back with Percy and think of something fun for the 80th. It always baffled me why they ever discontinued it to begin with.
The DCC Thomas and Percy set sounds like a lot of fun. It wouldn't be too far off from and a great throwback to the old Hornby Thomas and Percy set from back in the day. Heck, even have the same rolling stock/consists!
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As much as I question a lot of the things Hornby did in their over 30 year run, this set was one of my favorite things they ever did.
Next is the Narrow Gauge starter set. Again, I'm surprised this wasn't done when the range was first announced! I think if it were to be done, I think Skarloey is an excellent idea, considering that he's the face of the Narrow Gauge engines. Perhaps a small consist of two slate trucks, the new red box van and the red brake van would be perfect. The slate trucks are a no-brainer since Skarloey was primarily stationed at the Blue Mountain Quarry during the CGI series, but the box van and brake van break (see what I did there?) up the monotony of just having three slate tracks and no brake van. My only concern about a NG starter set is the fact that considering these models are specifically aimed at adults, parents who 40 and younger may make the mistake of giving one to their child with a lot of small parts that could be easily broken off or swallowed. Plus, the fact that the NG range is small, this same demographic of parents would buy with the mindset that it "is so tiny and cute".
Moving onto the N scale Gordon set. The HO set was one of my favorites, and I was sad when it was discontinued. I felt a big engine like Gordon and his long coaches would mean more track, fueling inspiration to build a larger layout. Gordon is up there with Thomas, Percy and James as one of the most popular characters and a set with him in it always felt like "deluxe" and "prestigious". Bringing that set idea into N scale, the same principals would apply. I'm all for it!
As for bringing back the large scale Thomas set, I'm quite surprised they ever discontinued the Thomas set to begin with. It seems like a no-brainer to bring it back. I'm not that versed in large scale, so please take what I say with a container of Iodized Sea Salt, but I do think that bringing back as one of the only Bachmann large scale starter sets seems like a perfect way to acknowledge the Thomas line with a large scale starter sets. Plus, I seem to recall Bachmann saying somewhere that starter sets with Thomas seem to do well.
And that's all I have to say about that.
When I started collecting back in 2016, the first three things I obtained was the Thomas/Harold/Bertie set, followed by the Salty set and finally the Emily set. I felt like it was a great way to buy stuff in bulk especially with the track being more difficult to obtain in the UK. But now because I owned nearly everything available, I have no need to buy any more starter sets. I also think that most collectors already own the main three engines, Thomas, Percy and James, so they wouldn't have the need to buy the sets. The concept is great for new collectors, but I always felt the oval/circle of track was a bit dull and would love something extra to make it slightly unique.
Maybe Thomas, Annie, Clarabel, Bertie with an oval of track with a crossing so children could relive the Thomas/Bertie race.
A Percy set with either Troublesome Trucks or even a Mail Coach and a Break Van with a helipad and Harold.
Then finally James with the red express coaches with a siding and maybe a platform.
Children would like to relive their favourite moments from the show, a parent could then buy a cheaper bundle set to start the hobby off for then. (:
Gordon's Snow Clearing Express Set with Oval of E-Z Track would be cool! I like browsing 3D Printed HO/OO Scale Thomas from Shapeways sometimes too! I didn't get Bachmann Season's Greetings Express Coaches from Shapeways for last time! I think Season's Greetings Express Coaches would be a great idea!
I don't normally read this forum, but the title intrigued me somewhat.
"Future suggestions/predictions". All of the thoughts brought forth have merit, but from my experience everyone's thoughts on what the future of Modeling whether G, S, HO, TT and N scale will have to come to terms with, is living space.
In terms of what kids today are faced with. Living space is a major culprit. Another culprit is technology itself. It doesn't matter what manufacturer brings forward on train sets. The consumer (the adults with kids) will have to contend with the space for the train set. Something to think about, when (we old folks) were kids, we could have that HO train set on a 4 by 8 piece of wood and slide it in and out from under our beds. Now, think a minute. Today's kids, I believe, would rather sit in front of a LED screen than pull out a train that only moves in a circular or figure eight pattern. Kids today are smarter than we were due to the technology they are exposed to that we (old folks) didn't have. For the fortunate adults that have kids and the living space to have a model train set, then it's only the technology that their kids will decide upon. In Japan, living space is at a premium, so I've been told. Therefore, it's been noticed that the N scale seems to be the most lucrative. (Reference: https://raicho.home.xs4all.nl/model/scales.html (https://raicho.home.xs4all.nl/model/scales.html))
It doesn't matter what train sets the manufacturers bring forward, if the consumer doesn't have the space to implement setting up that train set, then the cost of that train set will be next to ax the purchase.
What I believe everyone is overlooking is that gaming technology is offering more enhanced interaction than the modeling technology. The model manufacturers may not realize that they are in a battle with technology, the kids are into technology and model makers, manufacturers need to get on board with the technology. As a suggestion, to enhancing train sets, adding actual video from the cab of a locomotive to the locomotive controller (LED screen of say, the Bachmann Dynamis wireless controller) would provide some enticement to the user providing that technology boost that kids would be intrigued with. They would see the train go in that circle and would be able to visualize what it looks like from the cab of the locomotive. An example is the gaming technology of flying a plane, the difference is that plane is only on the screen, whereas the train cab on the screen, one can look up from the controller at the actual train in motion, see block signals, and road crossing even see the train enter a tunnel.
So to conclude, it doesn't matter what train set is put forward, it'll have to compete with space and technology. Modeling won't die, since N scale may support the space issue, as for the other scales space will always be a factor. Technology that kids are exposed to will compound the issue and the future.
Such is my opinion....and two cents.
Unrelated, but does anyone know if we're getting announcements for the summer? If so, does anyone know roughly when that may happen and what would y'all want to see announced?
Quote from: RailwayRoundhouse on June 13, 2023, 09:29:27 AMUnrelated, but does anyone know if we're getting announcements for the summer? If so, does anyone know roughly when that may happen and what would y'all want to see announced?
Hi RailwayRoundhouse,
We will be making our new product announcements in late August for the NMRA National Convention. No specifics yet, but this will include new Thomas & Friends products.
Wow, an admin actually confirmed we are indeed getting new product announcements later this summer, with the NMRA being in August.
If Hiro can't be the next newly-tooled engine for HO Scale, other good choices would be Stanley, Whiff, or Nia. The latter only because we're getting Rebecca. Recolors to settle on would be Sidney, Fernando or Green Salty.
With N Scale Gordon and Emily soon to be shown fully painted, it's time another N Scale engine gets announced, which no doubt must be Henry, which would leave Edward as the only member of the original main cast left for N Scale. Then it would really be time to move on to side characters like Diesel.
Wow! Wasn't expecting a reply directly from Bachmann themselves! ;D
With the announcement of Sir Topham Hatt's Car, I'd really love to see off rail-characters be made. I'd personally love to see Trevor and Bulgy. A model of George the Steamroller would be amazing too, though Trevor and Bulgy seem a lot more likely. Maybe even some of the pack characters might have a chance as a good few did in fact return in CGI.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on June 13, 2023, 01:48:55 PMWow, an admin actually confirmed we are indeed getting new product announcements later this summer, with the NMRA being in August.
If Hiro can't be the next newly-tooled engine for HO Scale, other good choices would be Stanley, Whiff, or Nia. The latter only because we're getting Rebecca. Recolors to settle on would be Sidney, Fernando or Green Salty.
With N Scale Gordon and Emily soon to be shown fully painted, it's time another N Scale engine gets announced, which no doubt must be Henry, which would leave Edward as the only member of the original main cast left for N Scale. Then it would really be time to move on to side characters like Diesel.
Also I have to agree with you on Stanley! I personally love The Great Discovery and Stanley's a really cool looking character that I wish the show had done more with in hindsight.
Quote from: RailwayRoundhouse on June 13, 2023, 03:48:38 PMWow! Wasn't expecting a reply directly from Bachmann themselves! ;D
With the announcement of Sir Topham Hatt's Car, I'd really love to see off rail-characters be made. I'd personally love to see Trevor and Bulgy. A model of George the Steamroller would be amazing too, though Trevor and Bulgy seem a lot more likely. Maybe even some of the pack characters might have a chance as a good few did in fact return in CGI.
That's something I would like to see more of now that we have the Hatt Car coming soon. I heard from Doug years ago that they were thinking on doing Trevor, and he would be a good edition if Bachmann plans to do Jem Cole as he's an important character to Trevor as well, and he still shows up in the CGI era as well.
I think Trevor and Bulgy would be great additions! Those two specifically would go great with some of the people packs coming out (Trevor and the farmer packs, Bulgy and the school children).
I'm a bit late (the school year just ended, been busy until then), but thanks everyone for your strong feedback on my earlier post on starter set ideas! It's clear that the set that is most likely going to happen from my post will be a starter set for Gordon in N scale. Here's hoping that will happen once Gordon gets released and some express coaches are announced too. It would be nice if Bachmann can at least re-consider re-introducing the large scale Thomas starter set too, but if pricing is a factor then I guess beggars can't be choosers. Though the points that were shared about why a set for Skarloey and a DCC Thomas might not happen are totally valid, and I agree with the feedback that was shared regarding why, especially with the high price tag on the upcoming DCC Thomas model.
I like the idea of James potentially getting a new set in HO if for some reason they can't re-introduce the Percy set. It's really just a good diversity move to allow other engines besides just Thomas to get a set like how the N scale range is doing. Though as N Scale Sudrian mentioned earlier, the reason for the additional characters getting starter sets in N scale could be that Bachmann isn't planning to keep them around for long term, which again is a fair point since the HO sets for other characters didn't stick around for too long either. I also forgot to bring up a Christmas set in N scale, but I'm confident that they will add one soon since Christmas train sets have always been very popular from Bachmann.
Finally, it's nice seeing confirmation on more Thomas announcements for the NMRA, although it's not surprising given the track record over recent years. I'm still under the impression that this year is still a "catch-up" year for Bachmann since they're releasing lots of previously announced products that have been in production for a long time, in addition to starting on new ones that were announced last year. Hopefully we get an update on Sir Handel soon, even though I'm a little concerned he still has no RRP or is available for pre-order at Trainworld and yet Rebecca (who was announced after Sir Handel) does... Either way, hopefully Bachmann can surprise us again at the NMRA this year. Even if they don't announce much like earlier this year, that's honestly fine by me. As long as we at least get an N scale Henry announcement this summer, in addition to some more rolling stock announcements in HO and N scale, I'll be a happy camper.
As long as N Scale Henry gets announced, I'll be good. Given that steady progress has been made on Gordon and Emily, who will soon be shown fully painted, it's time to announce another N Scale engine. A big green tender engine that can recycle Gordon's chassis minus trailing wheels.
Does anybody here think that a bachmann N scale old shape Henry would just be a cool suggestion? :)
I think old shape Henry in ANY scale would be nice!
I have a suggestion for how Bachmann could release new Bachmann Thomas Characters going forward. Given that the fans want a lot of classic and model series characters and Bachmann seems hesitant to do anything other than CGI characters at this point, maybe a meeting halfway point could be that they develop Model Series characters and CGI Series Characters side-by-side. For example, when they announce new Thomas Characters, they could announce a CGI series character, like Nia and Sonny, alongside a Model series character, like BoCo, Derek, and Arthur.
That way, they can appeal to the longtime fans and current stipulations at the same time. Plus, it would be a great way for newer fans who are only familiar with the CGI characters to see and be introduced to these older Model characters for the first time.
I am not sure if this will actually play out, but it is a suggestion.
I've been seeing this suggestion turn up for a very long time now. "Old Shape" Henry may never happen, as that form of Henry was only in Season 1, and wasn't even in The Adventure Begins. Plus, that would require changing the tooling, which Bachmann can't really do. What even is the appeal of old shape Henry anyway? Is it because of being a form of Henry exclusively seen in Season 1?
Bringing this old post up since we're talking about old shape Henry (again...) only this time in N scale (which is even less likely) but the same logic still applies here too.
Edit: I know some of the things referenced like Paxton and Daisy are outdated since Bachmann's already made both of them and Stepney was ruled out earlier, but again the logic in the old post is referring to why old shape Henry won't ever work for Bachmann.
Quote from: Chaz on December 30, 2015, 04:38:25 PMThe problem I see with Henry's old shape isn't so much the tooling or design of the model, it's the major lack of appeal. It wasn't even used for a full season of the show and the current design of Henry is far more iconic. The sales are not there for the model either, from both younger and older fans. Parents who would buy models for their kids wouldn't even know the difference between the two Henry's, nor would they really care. Henry's old shape might win over some of the older fans, but it probably won't do anywhere near as much justice as one of the remaining classics like Stepney or Daisy. Even Paxton would have better sales than Henry's old shape, and he would take a lot less effort on Bachmann's part to make, and would probably be cheaper too. At the end of the day, Bachmann would much rather invest in making a character they haven't produced yet as the sales for them would be a lot more promising than one of their existing characters with a tooling change. Even if they were to do a "limited edition" run of Henry's old shape, the amount of money and time that would go into production won't make up for the limited sales that would go for the model.
It's not going to happen.
Quote from: MontagueGWR08 on April 07, 2023, 09:17:05 PMI'm not sure if this is a suggestion that Bachmann would consider, especially since they seem to be opposed to making model series exclusive characters at the moment, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
With the recent release of Beau, it's clear that the main reason this relatively obscure character was made since there was already a preexisting tooling. All they had to do was give it a repaint and slap on a face, and it was clearly quick and cost efficient to make. So, my line of thought is that this could be applied to other obscure characters from the show. For example, bachmann europe has an Ivatt 3mt listed, which I feel most closely resembles the prop used for Arthur. All bachmann would have to do is give it a repaint and a face, and you have Arthur. This could be applied to other preexisting toolings as well for other characters. They could even offer them as limited editions to boost early sales.
I'm not sure if this is something anyone on here would be interested in, but I personally think that it is the best way to get the characters that us older fans would most appreciate.
I would like to bring this to the forefront again quick. It was recently revealed by Richard Awdry that a character Christopher Awdry attempted to introduce in the Railway Series books, Barry the Rescue Engine, was going to be an LMS Ivatt Class 2MT, just like Arthur. Arthur has already got a good amount of fans, and given this reveal, I have a sneaking suspicion that Arthur is going to become at least a bit more popular among Thomas Fans, making fan stories that hybridize Arthur and Barry's backstories, and also including modelers who might want to make custom Barry's. Given that Bachmann Europe already has a similar tooling, as mentioned here, this would be a great opportunity to capitalize on this and modify the tooling to make a Bachmann Arthur.
In addition, Arthur has a rather sweet production backstory. Apparently, Arthur was originally going to be called Clarence, but a magazine ran a competition to name him instead. Someone named Luke Sharp won the contest, and he named Arthur after his late grandfather Arthur Sharp. I find it is so sweet that Arthur was named after a competition winner Luke Sharp's late grandfather.
Here is Arthurs Thomas Wiki Pages:
Main Article: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur
Image Gallery:https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur/Gallery
Behind the Scenes Article: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur/Behind_the_Scenes
Merchandise Article: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Arthur/Merchandise
And the Article about Barry: https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Barry
I know that Mattel won't approve Arthur being made due to the CGI mandate, but I'll admit I've always had a very soft spot for Arthur. Easily my favorite non-Awdry character by miles. Even in the earlier years of the forum during the late model era, Arthur was a top request and several members had him on his wishlist (myself included). Over time though, as Arthur became less relevant his requests slowly died down as more Awdry characters were being produced like Bill and Ben and Donald and Douglas, thus making the demand for characters like Duck, Diesel and Oliver practically skyrocketed even higher than ever while lesser known model era character requests like Arthur and even Molly died down. Though, this really wasn't a bad thing at all. If anything, I'm really glad Bachmann stuck with the characters who had a much bigger following and legacy as the demand for them was higher than Arthur, even back then. But it still would have been fun if Arthur found his way in the range too, I would still have it in my collection today if that were the case.
So while the odds are not in his favor, it really is great knowing there's still a fan-following for Arthur all these years later. If we somehow got lucky with Bachmann taking the same approach with Beau by making a model of Arthur with the Bachmann Europe 2MT tooling, I would buy the model day one.
Jay, (DecadesofSun), brought his custom model of Arthur to my apartment once before and it was a lot of fun seeing Arthur on the layout. Might not be a bad idea for another future custom I'd like to look into for myself in the future...
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I had made a suggestion on how to handle the CGI mandate a few weeks ago. Maybe they could reveal or release a CGI series character and a Model Series Character together at the same time? Like have Nia or Sonny be revealed as the CGI character, and Arthur as the Model Series character, especially considering Bachmann Europe already has the 2MT tooling available now. This way, they can appease the CGI mandate and appeal to the older fans at the same time. It could also be used for Bachmann to take the lead and introduce newer fans to older classic characters.
I don't know if this will happen, but I at lease wanted to get the suggestion out there, and at least put it on the table.
Personally I see Murdoch as a more likely "exception" they could make than Arthur, since his previous model from Hornby is notoriously sought after, and his appearance is much closer to the scale 9F than Arthur is to a scale Ivatt Prairie... although given the fair number of realistically-likely "CGI" characters they could make in HO/OO (remind me to post my predictive short-list on the topic someday), I think we're far more likely to see them bring "model-only" characters to the Narrow Gauge range far sooner. Smudger is an obvious choice, but also Proteus would be an easy way to reuse the upcoming Sir Handel tool. According to the fan wiki, he apparently does show up in a "CGI" themed podcast, so perhaps he can make the cut?
I think if they were ever to do a "model-only" locomotive before running out of viable "CGI" locomotives, it would probably be for the sake of an anniversary year, such as the upcoming 80th in 2025. But that is only if Bachmann and/or the licensor decide to re-evaluate their policy on what characters to greenlight. It makes sense to prioritize the characters who were in the modern version of the legacy series, but surely one or two older engines interspersed among the new crowd wouldn't hurt?
One non rail character (kinda) I've been thinking about lately is Skiff. I think Bachmann could really do alot with him in the range, he's a fairly beloved character from the CGI era who appeared along with Ryan in Sodor's Legend of the Lost Tresure and appeared fairly consistently through season 20 and even showed up in BWBA era. He has even appeared in All Engines Go which I know, but surely that only can help his chances of Mattel greenlighting a model. He's definitely a unique character being a rail boat which Bachmann can utilise making his chassis detachable maybe like Terence and his snow plow or even if its fixed on he'll still look amazing. There's a pretty big core group of characters he's associated with in the show who mostly all have models in the range already, Thomas, Ryan, Duck, Oliver, Daisy, Sir Topham. Thus giving us modellers plenty of opportunity to showcase him with those characters on out layouts. The only two issues which I'm sure Bachmann would find a way around is his Chassis and sail (either being detachable like plarail or fixed as per Take n play)
What's your thoughts around Skiff? Could he work?
Talking about off rail characters, I'm very surprised they haven't made Trevor, popular model character, made it into CGI, good friendship with Edward.
Sir Topham Hatt's car being announced earlier does lead to the possibility of more non-rail characters being introduced. Trevor would be one I would be the one I would like to see the most with Bulgy being a very close second since these are both well established classic characters who are in the CGI series. That being said, I wouldn't mind Skiff being introduced next either as not only would he go along really nicely with the recently released Ryan and Daisy but also because he adds to the non-rail vehicle diversity as a boat character. It would be interesting to see if he would just be a boat or if Bachmann would go the full mile and add a set of wheels for him to ride around on. Either of these would be welcome, but for now I think it makes sense to see how Sir Topham Hatt's car sells first before adding more vehicles after that.
Murdoch I wouldn't mind seeing either if he was introduced similarly to how Arthur would, admittedly I like Arthur a lot more than Murdoch but Murdoch undeniably has a much bigger sales market going for him than Arthur does going for the insane prices he goes for on eBay so the sales for Murdoch would be there, no doubt. Either way, like Arthur, Murdoch I'm not so confident with either, again due to the CGI mandate, but would still be a fun addition.
As for the narrow gauge engine repaints, as I said in my earlier post on Yellow Rheneas, Bachmann doing repaints of the narrow gauge engines prematurely really hit the sales on Yellow Rheneas pretty hard, already having him on discount at Trainworld... Smudger might have sold a little better than Yellow Rheneas, but I think it makes a lot more sense for Mattel to allow Bachmann to ignore the CGI mandate for the narrow gauge range since there's only so many narrow gauge engines left in the show, and an even smaller number left in CGI. This is is where I personally feel Mattel would be more likely to overlook the CGI mandate, not with HO/OO but with their narrow gauge line. Though, instead of doing repaints like Smudger or Proteus, they could go the full mile with making a new tooling in the form of Duke. In my opinion, Duke I think would make more sense (despite being a new tooling), because he's the only narrow gauge tender engine (besides Bertram, who would only be a Duke repaint) and with that also adds more diversity for the narrow gauge lineup and Duke has just as big of a following as the six narrow gauge characters who appeared in the CGI series.
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Anytime I post my custom Duke model on social media, people go crazy and always ask about it and several other fans went ahead and made their own Duke models too. Plus Duke is an easy 0-4-0 locomotive with a tender so he wouldn't be that much more expensive than one of the current narrow gauge engine offerings. Since the OO9 crowd is usually an older audience who grew up with the books and the earlier television series, I think it's in Bachmann's best interest to do Duke after Duncan (and maybe Luke), before doing more OO9 repaints like Smudger Proteus or even Bertram.
Just like what they did with Beau, Bachmann can also use existing toolings to make Arthur and Murdoch. Both of which would be from their UK line. Although they wouldn't have eye mechanisms, that would not be a dealbreaker. Beau was the first engine in the Thomas line to use an existing tooling that's not from the Thomas line. Arthur and Murdoch would be great choices that would do the same.
Just to add to the Arthur & Murdoch discussion, if Beau was anything to go by as an exclusive repaint of the 4-4-0, it would incredible to see exclusive Bachmann Arthur & Murdoch models, using the UK toolings. Indeed, they would be expensive, but if people are paying over $2,000 for the Hornby Murdoch in recent years and the Bachmann Rebecca is retailing for $300, the price of these would surely be justified, as limited run models or not.
Murdoch:
https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/category/152/br-standard-9f-with-br1f-tender-92184-br-black-%28late-crest%29/32-859b
Arthur:
https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/lms-ivatt-2mt-tank-1205-lms-black-%28revised%29/31-442
As we know, Mattel prefers CGI. Yet, as an older fan, I can't deny that I have a deeper connection with characters such as Arthur and Murdoch than most newer CGI characters. Even as limited run models, these would be incredible and surely do outstanding, based on what we've seen from every Hornby Murdoch bid auction on eBay once again.
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Maybe one of these days :).
I have no idea what to expect for HO Scale this NMRA, whether another engine gets announced or not. Progress has been made on Rebecca, and Doug will hopefully get to show the first unpainted sample of her soon. For new toolings, the most likely choices would be Nia, Stanley, or Whiff. They may not be ready for Hiro just yet. Though, Stanley would reuse Thomas' chassis. For recolors, it could be Sidney, Fernando, or Green Salty. Fernando is one from the Big World Big Adventures era, who, like Sidney, would also recycle Diesel's tooling. The only real issue with Sidney (apart from needing a painted border around his face) is his smaller eyes, which Bachmann would need to alter the eye mechanism, given that HO Scale Paxton ended up being disappointing for his disproportionate face. As for rolling stock, the Chocolate Syrup Tanker and the Toffee Tanker still have yet to be announced for HO Scale. A good new tooling for rolling stock would be the Works Unit Coach.
As for another new tooling for HO Scale, I would love to see Norman, but given that he was a nothing character in the CGI series, it's rather head-scratching. Though there are fan-made stories that shed more light on him. He got virtually no merchandise since Mattel took over. One big thing for Norman is that no ready-to-run model of BR 11001 exists, and he would be the first one.
Narrow Gauge still has plenty of catching up to do, and progress has been terribly slow on all upcoming products, including Sir Handel. Doug still has no significant update on him. It took three years to get the brake vans, which is ridiculous.
I'm probably in the minority, but I rather have Bachmann make a new tooling for either Murdoch or Arthur than using an existing tooling like with Beau. I don't mind Beau being an existing retooling as he only appeared once and at least has a working light rather than the moving eyes. But for Arthur and Murdoch, I'm rather picky for them to look like how they are from the show, considering there are modifications between the real basis and how they're depicted in the show. Sooner or later, Mattel would have to let Bachmann do characters that weren't in the CGI era unless they plan to bring it back later on, but that's a topic for another day.
I don't much have to say for HO/OO, but for N scale, since they already have some of the Steam Team up, I like to see if they can do a Christmas set as it's only been a few years since the range started. I wouldn't mind having a Christmas themed set as my family has those little tabletop trees and it can go well with the table. Though it depends if they can just do a smaller scale version of one of the existing sets or make a new one. If they can go with an existing one, the first set would be good as they already have all the existing toolings for it. They can't do the ones after that as the later ones have a conflat and the other set from 2019 has the first brake van tooling.
For sure, my biggest hope for N Scale is Henry. Would recycle Gordon's chassis minus trailing wheels, and also a very similar tooling with some changes. Also changing the tender from a Fowler to a Stanier. Henry's announcement would leave Edward as the only member of the original main cast left for N Scale, who would most likely be saved for the 2024 catalog at the earliest.
For HO Scale, Daisy's introduction brought larger diesels into the picture. At some point, Mattel would have to start letting Bachmann make model series characters again, like BoCo. The other most popular larger diesel to appear in the CGI series is Diesel 10. The claw on his roof does make everyone scratch their heads, but Bachmann does make rail cranes. Doug Blaine never mentioned anything regarding Diesel 10's likelihood, or said specifically that Diesel 10 is never happening simply because of his claw. He unfortunately did have pessimistic words on Stepney, solely because he never appeared in full CGI. For Diesel 10, they may figure out how to incorporate the claw, and keep it still when in motion, with positions to lock it. He would still fit in Tidmouth Sheds with no problem. The claw would make Diesel 10 the most unique model Bachmann has ever produced. They even considered Diesel 10 at one point.
I really want them to do Duncan a lot (I just started collecting the narrow gauge engines). Peter sam was the first one I bought and 4 of the blue coaches the blue break van and two of the blue box vans. (also I bought all 4 of the slate wagons rusty 4 of the red coaches the red break van and two of the red box vans). and I just ordered rheneas and I hope to buy skarloey when I can. I'm hoping sir Handel will come out and the new rolling stock. I just really want them to say that Duncan is the next one they do with the upcoming announcements. and I also been hoping they'd do duke too (just depending if they can I just really want the original 7 narrow gauge engines a lot and they really did a good job on them). I also mentioned that I'd hope they would do Luke as he was always my favorite of the newer narrow gauge engines. although I would like for them to do Millie and Victor (hope they'd do Kevin to go along with Victor). and I don't know about mighty Mac and fearless Freddie (i sort of liked them when they were introduced but now I'm mixed on them weather I like them or not I still prefer the original 7 and the ones from the cgi series as I feel they're more likable but that'll have to depend on terms).
Hello Everyone, I'm new to the Bachmann forum as I wanted to talk about new announcements and give ideas seeing as the announcements will be made towards the end of this month.
For HO Scale, I'm thinking that the most logical locomotive to make next would probably be Stanley. He was in both the model series as well as the CGI series, and played a major role in a movie. He also stands out from the other characters since he is one of (if not the only) characters in the show panted white, which would mean that he would look significant different from the other models Bachmann has already made. I could also see Sidney and Fernando being made since they would use largely the same tooling as Diesel, Arry, Bert and Paxton. With the announcement of Rebecca, I could also see Nia being made, particularly since she is a character Mattel have been trying really hard to push. As for Whiff, before he was brought up, I had honestly forgot about him as a character. He never really appeared that often, and I know that the last time a toy of him was made was in the Adventures range, and if I remember correctly it really didn't sell that well. So unless I'm the only one that has forgot about him, then I really can't see Whiff getting made. The other character I thought of was Winston, as a G Scale version of him has already been made, although it might be hard to fit a mechanism inside him, while still having an interior.
In Hon3/OO9, the next model I can see being made is Duncan. He is the only one of the Original cast of Narrow Gauge Characters that hasn't been made other than Duke, and seeing as Duke was not in the CGI series I can't really see him being made. I'm also quite surprised that Bachmann haven't done any troublesome slate wagons yet, so that might be something to consider.
In N Scale, I would expect Henry next, same as everyone else, and I would also expect to see some normal open wagons, more troublesome trucks, and possibly another brake van.
For G Scale I honestly don't know if we will get anything big again. Doug already stated that Gordon and Henry would be too expensive to justify, and Edward isn't really a main character anymore. Doug also stated in a livestream with Trainworld that Henrietta would be too much to make since nothing from her tooling could be used on another model, so unfortunately I kinda think that says that it's the end of the line for large scale. If anyone else has opinions on that though, I'd like to hear them, and same goes for everything else I've mentioned!
Regarding Large Scale, I don't know if Edward is necessarily ruled out just because he was demoted from the main cast, and mistreated by Mattel in recent years. Gordon and Henry would be too big and costly, given their sheer size. At least N Scale is getting Henrietta for Toby. Edward seems much more likely for N Scale than Large Scale, especially once N Scale gets Henry, leaving Edward as the only one left of the original main cast. If Large Scale was to get anymore engines, they could make Bill and Ben, which would require only one new tooling. For recolors, they could still do LBSC Thomas and Origin James, maybe even 'Arry and Bert, although the latter two were discontinued in HO Scale. It may not be time for Large Scale modelers to pack it in just yet, but I feel we could be getting there very soon.
For HO Scale, it really seems like the most likely new tooling would be Stanley, since he appeared in both model and CGI, has a unique white livery, and played a major role in a special. He can even recycle Thomas' chassis, but with the wheels painted red. I still would love to see Diesel 10 as the next larger diesel like Daisy, although the claw raises concern, Doug Blaine himself has never said specifically that Diesel 10 can't happen because of it. After all, Bachmann does make rail cranes, and electric engines with pantographs, but they never tried putting a posable claw on a diesel engine before, which would really make Diesel 10 a first, and an ambitious project. Diesel 10 has been a request for quite some time, and it wasn't until we got Daisy when larger diesels came into the picture. The claw would be the only hard part, but there may be ways to get it to work, even if it may not be perfect.
And if HO Scale can't get a new tooling, there's always recolors, including Sidney and Fernando. Although I mention Green Salty, we still haven't gotten the reintroduced Salty in stock yet. Sidney and Fernando would be repaints of Diesel's tooling, but they would have to fix the eye mechanism for Sidney after Paxton's face came out disproportionate. Splatter and Dodge were dropped from the CGI series twice, and it wasn't until less than a year ago when James Lafiteau (EpicLafiteau on YouTube) finally brought Splatter and Dodge to life in full CGI in "You're a Mean One, Diesel 10" although it's unfortunately not official canon.
I haven't really talked too much about large scale so much recently in my posts, mainly because I feel the range is on it's last legs. Granted they've released some fun recolors recently, but the majority of what's been announced in large scale over the last decade has been just that - recolors. I feel like if they introduce any new toolings at all in large scale it would have to be for something they could reuse for additional recolors to justify the tooling cost of the product.
With engines, I think they are pretty much done aside from more Diesel repaints like Sidney or 'Arry and Bert. Maybe an LBSC Thomas and Origin James too for the 80th anniversary, but that's really it.
As for rolling stock, I think it's pretty clear that if we get anything else in the future for large scale it will probably be more recolors. I do, however think there is a lot more going for new rolling stock toolings than engines because of the recolor options out there. The first is Henrietta since not only is she still a popular request after all of these years, but Hannah is a possible recolor option Bachmann can look into for either HO or N scale, they could easily introduce both Henrietta and Hannah either at the same time or a year or so apart from each other and it would be a good way to justify that tooling cost.
Apart from Henrietta, the only other new rolling stock tooling I could potentially see them do in large scale would be 1 plank wagons with the large crate loads that were introduced in HO a few years ago since that seems like a simple enough tooling they could continue to reuse for repaints or different crate loads.
Otherwise aside from those and potentially a new Thomas starter set, I think that's all I can see happening in large scale for the time being.
I agree. Henrietta might be more of a possibility now with the introduction of Hannah, though I would expect to see Hannah made in Ho or N Scale first. Other than that though, I can't see much more being made in Large Scale.
It may not quite be time for Large Scale modelers to pack it in just yet, but it's really getting there.
For sure, will be interesting to see what happens to this line.
On the flip side of a range ending, does anyone think Bachmann will make an On30 line of products. They can't do O Scale, as Lionel own the rights, but would that apply to On30 as well?
I had written that I've started to collect the narrow gauge engines. now that they've done skarloey rheneas rusty peter Sam (the first one I bought) and soon sir Handel. I've been anxiously hoping with the announcements coming soon I've really been hoping that they say that Duncan will be the next one they do (cause I really think he will after they give an update on sir Handel). and with seeing people complaining that they don't want bachmann to do Duncan as he was in the cgi series I really don't mind that they do him as he was in the cgi series. (I really never cared how good many of the characters they returned looked I was just happy with the returns they brought back). also I've been hoping they would do duke too (even though I've seen that Mattel told bachmann they can only do the characters that were in the cgi series duke is really the only character that hasn't appeared in the show I really want them to do at this point). so there are more characters I want to write that I want them to do right now Duncan is really the one I want them to announce really badly. so I hope Duncan will be the next one they say they do.
I'm sure Bachmann will announce Duncan eventually. Considering it took Bachmann almost three years to announce Sir Handel after Peter Sam, I would imagine we will get a Duncan announcement once Bachmann makes significant progress on Sir Handel first. Apart from last year, narrow gauge announcements have been typically very minimal with 1-2 announcements a year since it seemed clear Bachmann really did not want to overdo it with too many announcements for such a niche market. It also doesn't help that there are not too many options left that Bachmann hasn't announced yet in terms of new engines, especially with Mattel's CGI mandate. Last year though was an anomly as Bachmann managed to announce one new locomotive tooling (Sir Handel), two new wagon toolings and a slate wagon with a new road number, which is a lot considering their track record. It's also worth noting, though technically not part of the Thomas range, they also announced Talyllyn models last year in OO9 too. Granted these are just repaints of the Bachmann Skarloey with the face replaced with a new smokebox door, (not sure why we still don't have any updates on those yet), but it still adds to the high pile of OO9 products we are currently waiting on. Taking all of that into consideration, it's clear Bachmann really went above and beyond for OO9 last year! Though, if the 2023 catalog announcements are anything to go off of, it's clear Bachmann really needs to take a breather before announcing anymore major projects for the time being, especially for OO9.
Going back to Duncan, I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I think the very earliest we would see a Bachmann Duncan announcement would be during next years NMRA show. Even that though would really depend on progress on Sir Handel and several other projects first. If Duncan is still not announced by then, then I think the more likely option would be in 2025 during the brand's 80th anniversary. 2025 would also be the 10th anniversary of the narrow gauge line's announcement, and what a better way to celebrate that anniversary than to introduce the sixth and final member of the original Skarloey Railway, (in CGI), in their OO9 range. Kind of poetic, if you ask me.
Either way, I think it's really a matter of when Bachmann will announce Duncan, as opposed to "if". It probably won't happen in the immediate future, but I'm sure it will happen in good time. :)
Thank you for the reply. I think I'm just a little excited that bachmann is almost done with the narrow gauge engines. originally I was going to wait until they did all of them. but I went ahead and started to buy them. the first one I bought was peter Sam (just how great he turned out). and also four of the blue coaches the blue break van and the recent box vans (I bought 1 of the blue version than a second one just cause I really liked the new box vans). i was going buy 6 of the blue coaches but I went with 4 and the break van (my reason is mostly with the characters in the railway series agnus Ruth Jemima Lucy and Beatrice and the blue box van used as a to go along with the others i guess that could be cora from the railway series). and I also bought all 4 of the slate wagons that are out. and I also bought rusty two of the red box vans 4 of the red coaches and the red break van. and just recently I bought rheneas. Skarloey is the only one left I need to buy. still hope sir Handel and the new rolling stock comes soon (I may buy most of them when they come out). I think I'm really excited that they almost got the narrow gauge engines done. I guess I was hoping they'd say they would do Duncan now and he would be done for 2025 (just the way I was thinking). and more rolling stock I thought they should do is the green open air coaches both the brown and grey break vans (and also more of the box vans in the grey and brown paint even though those never existed I just thought they'd be great with the other vans). and I still hope they can do duke (as I said he's the one character I really want them to do who's not been in the show for years). thank you again for the reply I really appreciate it a lot.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets announced in a year or two. I'm thinking that they will probably wait till Sir Handel is near completion before starting Duncan though.
I just hope they give a progress on Sir Handel soon. than do Duncan when sir Handel is done. also other characters I want them to do in the standard gauge engines is Samson & Bradford (they've been my most wanted items ever since Samson & the fireworks). some are upset that that episode was going to feature Oliver and toad (but I'm glad they changed the role to Samson cause i said that I don't see Oliver afraid of fireworks). i also think Samson is overhated (I looked back at the other Samson episodes and I don't think he wasn't as bad as everyone says but that's just me I'd rather take him over Philip which I thought Philip was okay in season's 19 20 and I guess 21 but season's 22-24 I got annoyed with him). so Samson and Bradford are really what I also wish they'd do also the slip coaches (to go along with duck) and Porter (he was my favorite character of the cgi series until Samson & Bradford surpassed him with that title when Samson and the fireworks came). so I also hope they do them eventually too.
I'd really like to see in the future for
Ho scale engines:
Murdoch
Flying Scotsman (double tenders)
Derek
Boco
Arthur
Wilbert
16
Sidney
Nia
Narrow gauge engines:
Duke
Duncan
Smudger
Mighty Mac
Freddie
HO rolling stock:
Troublesome slate trucks (as seen in journey beyond sodor)
L&b long wagons
China clay wagons
Rocky the crane
Breakdown train set
Old branch line coaches
Orange branch line coaches
Flatbed with paint drums (reintroduced)
Well wagon (reintroduced)
Tar wagon (reintroduced)
Circus train set
Brown mail van (with 2 axels)
Brown cattle wagon (reintroduced)
Narrow gauge rolling stock:
Green open coaches
Gun powder tanker van
Flatbed
Quote from: ModelRailwayFan38 on August 06, 2023, 05:39:23 PMOn the flip side of a range ending, does anyone think Bachmann will make an On30 line of products. They can't do O Scale, as Lionel own the rights, but would that apply to On30 as well?
Forgot to respond to this earlier, sorry about that. I think the same logic applies for On30 that Bachmann would need to acquire the license to produce O gauge Thomas products in order to make On30 products. Since Lionel still has the license to produce O gauge Thomas products and has announced new products as recent as this year, it's unlikely Bachmann will be obtaining that license anytime soon.
Now Bachmann is making Talyllyn models in OO9, so maybe Bachmann can think outside the box and introduce Talyllyn models in On30 too? The On30 crowd would have a major field day over these, and Thomas modelers would happily purchase them and convert them to models of Skarloey and sales would go over the roof! Wishful thinking, I'm sure, but one can dream...
Hopefully they will do Duncan, but I would just want him in either the RWS design or the TV series design before the CGI.
Quote from: JLK2707 on August 10, 2023, 08:01:39 AMHopefully they will do Duncan, but I would just want him in either the RWS design or the TV series design before the CGI.
I agree. I like all the narrow gauge engines better in the model series
I will be to do Unpainted Thomas Rolling Stock with Hook and Loop Coupling System (Hooks Included) at some point in the future! That would be nice! Unpainted Thomas Tank Wagon with Hook and Loop Coupling System (Hooks Included) would be nice.
Quote from: Chaz on August 08, 2023, 12:06:48 AMQuote from: ModelRailwayFan38 on August 06, 2023, 05:39:23 PMOn the flip side of a range ending, does anyone think Bachmann will make an On30 line of products. They can't do O Scale, as Lionel own the rights, but would that apply to On30 as well?
Forgot to respond to this earlier, sorry about that. I think the same logic applies for On30 that Bachmann would need to acquire the license to produce O gauge Thomas products in order to make On30 products. Since Lionel still has the license to produce O gauge Thomas products and has announced new products as recent as this year, it's unlikely Bachmann will be obtaining that license anytime soon.
There is one potential way Bachmann could make 0 gauge thomas range. Gain the world wide rights or rest of world rights for a license and sell through Bachmann Europe. Before the ho range was officially in the UK some shops bought them and stocked them from the US. For years it was our only way of getting them. And since Lionel don't seem to be wanting or making new characters it would be a void that Bachmann could fill. As I understand it Lionel has only the north American rights. But there is also further potential that 0 gauge by Bachmann could be done as at one point both made g scale thomas engines. So there's always potential but who knows what will or could happen
Is it August when we normally get announcements for Thomas stuff, I can never remember?
Yeah, I think we'll get new announcements at the NMRA show this upcoming weekend.
I hope we just get the Old Coaches soon, :)
Well, with the NMRA announcements out of the way, it'll be another several months before we get the 2024 catalog.
With Diesel and Paxton coming to N Scale, that would make Sidney, 'Arry and Bert also possible for N Scale. The former has yet to be announced for HO or Large Scale, while the latter two were discontinued in HO Scale. I'd love for Bachmann to finally make Sidney. If he can't be made in HO Scale because of problems with the eye mechanism, he can still be made in Large Scale and N Scale. They fixed Paxton's eye mechanism for Large Scale, so Sidney shouldn't be a problem for Large Scale, while N Scale is too small for an eye mechanism, so his face would look perfect in N Scale too. If 'Arry and Bert were to be made in N Scale, Bachmann should give them more distinctive and malicious faces, as their faces being too similar is what got their HO Scale models to flop.
The next (partial) new tooling for N Scale has to be Henry, so I'm still hoping he can be in the 2024 catalog. As said many times before, Henry would recycle Gordon's chassis, but without the trailing wheels. Now that we're getting the Express Coaches, for N Scale rolling stock, I'd like to see Red Coaches, Red Open Wagon, Coal Wagon w/ Load, and maybe a generic Brake Van. Other new toolings for N Scale I'd also love to see include Duck and Oliver. The latter because we're getting Toad soon, so I'm also hoping we'll get Oliver at some point. If a new tooling isn't viable in early 2024, maybe we'll get Sidney alongside 'Arry and Bert. Could Sidney become the first character in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale?
For HO Scale, Bachmann would rather see how well Rebecca sells before tackling Hiro, and with Stanley announced, that's another popular request out of the way. The most possible new toolings could be Whiff or Nia, or recolors like Green Salty or Fernando. Because Fernando's tooling exists, maybe the Brazilian diesel could get his first piece of merchandise. The Works Unit Coach would be a great idea for a new rolling stock tooling.
With Narrow Gauge having a long backlog, with Duncan just being announced, along with the Gunpowder Wagons, I can't imagine the 2024 catalog would get anything for that, but I still hope Mattel would let Bachmann make Smudger using Rheneas' tooling. That way, model series engines can get back into the picture.
2024 bachmann Thomas range suggestions:
HO Scale:
Engines:
Whiff
Nia
Fernando
Sidney
Ulli
Scruff
Flying Scotsman
Rolling Stock:
TAR tanker wagon
Old coaches
Season 1 troublesome truck
Hannah
Toffee tanker wagon
Chocolate syrup tanker wagon
Breakdown train with works unit coach
Standard tanker wagon
Circus flatbed
Road vehicles:
Trevor
Ace
Caroline
Narrow Gauge:
Luke
Millie
Narrow gauge breakdown crane
Troublesome slate cars
N scale:
Edward
Henry
Duck
Oliver
'Arry
Bert
Sidney
Fernando
'Ulli
TAR tanker wagon
Tidmouth Milk tanker wagon
Brake van
Cream tanker wagon
Raspberry syrup tanker wagon
Toffee tanker wagon
Chocolate syrup tanker wagon
Mavis
Hannah
Large scale:
Edward
Mavis
Sidney
Fernando
'Arry and Bert
Henrietta
Hannah
I don't know what to expect from Bachmann given how fruitful these mid-year announcements were. I suppose the 2024 Catalog announcements could be more stripped back much like 2023's, with the more hard-hitting announcements saved for 2024's NMRA show...? But regardless, here's my thoughts on what the next new loco tools for the 'Thomas' lines could be.
I think Nia being the next HO locomotive is more or less guaranteed. Stanley seemed like the only new tool that could come before her, and now that he's out, I can't think of another new character that has a chance of making it in before her. I know everybody wants to see Hiro, but I think his sheer size makes him a long ways away from happening right now...
Since there are currently two Narrow Gauge locos awaiting development, I don't think we'll see a new one announced at least until Sir Handel and Duncan have either had major progress or are close to release. That said, I think Victor and Luke are the obvious next steps. Or rather, the only next steps, given the only other Narrow Gauge loco in the 'CGI' series is Millie. All three would be nice to see in the line, but I think once all three have been made, they are going to need to break into the 'Model Era' lineup in order to have more characters... But that is a problem for much further down the road.
For Large Scale, with the exceptions of potential exclusive characters, I think the best choices for new characters would be Edward, Rosie, and Stanley. Edward is obvious, but Rosie and Stanley are both Thomas-sized locomotives and would likely be received more enthusiastically than another Class 08. (It would likely be for the best if only the Red Rosie is made in LS, though. Putting out both variants would likely be a bad move.) That is, of course, if we can ever see a new character...
Lastly, my niche, N Scale... Henry and Edward are inevitable, and Henry seems more likely to come first given his commonalities with Gordon. I could see him being announced in the 2024 Catalog, but also could see him saved for the 2023 NMRA slate. Not sure.
After Stanley, the next new tooling for HO Scale would have to be Nia. Progress has been made on Rebecca, and will likely soon be shown in the unpainted stage. The next Trainworld stream will likely show HO Scale Rebecca unpainted, and/or N Scale Emily fully painted.
With all six of the original Narrow Gauge engines (that appeared in CGI) announced, it's only a matter of time before Mattel HAS to start letting Bachmann make model series characters like Duke in order to expand the range further, with only Victor, Luke and Millie left from the CGI series. They could easily recycle Rheneas' tooling to make Smudger.
Henry is inevitable for N Scale, and is the most likely to be announced in the 2024 catalog, given his commonalities with Gordon. Would be nice to have Edward as well, so as to complete the original Steam Team in N Scale. It may not take too long for Bachmann to get Diesel and Paxton out there, since they'd most likely just scale down the HO Scale tooling to work in N Scale. Diesel's tooling also has potential recolors like Sidney, 'Arry and Bert. It would be nice if Sidney could become the first character in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale. Other engines that would recycle Gordon's chassis in N Scale would include Spencer and Flying Scotsman. If Edward can't happen just yet, it would be nice if Henry and Spencer could get announced together, considering they'd both share the same chassis, but with Henry not having trailing wheels, and Spencer's trailing wheels being a bit different from Gordon's. Unlike Gordon and Henry, Spencer's body shape is streamlined, and might be an easier shape for Bachmann to make. Spencer would also bring the Special Coaches to N Scale, with hopefully a brake variant, unlike in HO Scale. For now, Henry is still the #1 priority for N Scale.
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on August 27, 2023, 02:24:33 PMI think Nia being the next HO locomotive is more or less guaranteed. Stanley seemed like the only new tool that could come before her, and now that he's out, I can't think of another new character that has a chance of making it in before her. I know everybody wants to see Hiro, but I think his sheer size makes him a long ways away from happening right now...
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on Hiro being a long way off for Bachmann, considering that Rebecca is in production now, who in hindsight might be a good sign that another tender engine is not off the table from being introduced. I feel like the biggest reasons for Rebecca being introduced before Hiro (besides the obvious Mattel push), come down to her being a main character in the CGI seasons, (during its final years) and Rebecca is less detailed than Hiro thus being the cheaper of the two to produce. That being said, I'd argue Hiro would actually be the perfect follow-up announcement after Rebecca since Rebecca is the first tender engine Bachmann had introduced in the range in a really, really long time and Hiro had a much higher demand and has a much bigger following, especially in Japan. However, I personally think if Rebecca turns out decent and sells well enough, then I see it as a really good opportunity for Bachmann to introduce Hiro as he would sell incredibly well and would have a very wide appeal for both younger and older audiences alike, despite the inevitable higher price the model would have. So if there's one thing I can appreciate about Bachmann introducing Rebecca into the range is that it could mean that we as fans can expect more than just an engine repaint or new toolings going to only tank engines and diesels. Similarly to how Bulgy was just introduced, it also means that Thomas fans can also expect more non-rail characters to join the range depending on how Bulgy's sales go, like Trevor or maybe Butch. ;)
That being said, I don't disagree with you on Nia being an inevitable addition in the range too, but Hiro's had a much stronger demand before both Nia and Rebecca were even a thing, and a lot of people were disappointed that Rebecca was picked before Hiro for that reason alone. So while Nia seems like the most obvious pick for the next HO engine, I personally think the better choice and overall higher seller would be Hiro.
I understand the demand for Hiro, but I also think it would be in Bachmann's best interest to not announce him until after Rebecca is either released or almost released. That said... I believe we're perhaps two or three years out from that? Which is plenty of time during which Bachmann can announce yet another new locomotive or two for the lineup, assuming they're willing to commit to anything during that time while also working on Rebecca and Stanley and whatever else the HO 'Thomas' design team may be cooking up... Announcing products that won't command a $300+ price tag (like they have with Stanley already) will be a comfort to consumers, surely.
(Granted even these smaller engines are commanding outragous prices, what with Stanley and the MIA Salty reissue commanding a higher price than Daisy, and Nia liable to be more expensive than Ryan given she's a medium-sized loco with an intricate set of valve gear that needs to be made from scratch... but even that pales in comparison to a prospective Hiro...)
I'm getting side tracked. The point is, if Bachmann waits until after Rebecca is either released or about to release, the consumer base essentially can get it both ways. That is, if Bachmann is willing to announce Nia while Rebecca/Stanley are in development, then announce Hiro after Rebecca's development is fully settled. Perhaps not an ironclad attack plan, but Bachmann has been overfilling their plate with 'Thomas' projects so frequently in the past few years that I could see them doing it anyway, ha ha.
I think Jack and the Pack in HO/OO Scale would be cool! Wellsworth Sheds and Vicarstown Sheds would be a marvelous idea!
If Sidney can't happen in HO Scale because of the eye mechanism, he could be announced for N Scale and Large Scale instead. It's been several years since Paxton first came to HO Scale, and still no sign of Sidney on the cards for any scale. N Scale would especially be easy for him, since the eye mechanism isn't an issue. With that, Sidney could become the first character in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale. Hope he could be announced with N Scale Henry in the 2024 catalog. As for 'Arry and Bert in N Scale, they would need distinctive and malicious faces, so they'd sell better in N Scale than they did in HO Scale.
If HO Scale can't get much in the 2024 catalog, due to Rebecca and Stanley, recolors like a Mainland Diesel or two, or Fernando can be possible, using Diesel's tooling. They could get their first pieces of merchandise. Narrow Gauge has Sir Handel and Duncan, with the former having no significant update just yet. If Mattel lets Bachmann do model series characters again, especially for Narrow Gauge, Rheneas' tooling can be used for Smudger, while Sir Handel's can be used for Proteus.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on August 28, 2023, 02:48:47 PMIf Sidney can't happen in HO Scale because of the eye mechanism, he could be announced for N Scale and Large Scale instead. It's been several years since Paxton first came to HO Scale, and still no sign of Sidney on the cards for any scale. N Scale would especially be easy for him, since the eye mechanism isn't an issue. With that, Sidney could become the first character in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale. Hope he could be announced with N Scale Henry in the 2024 catalog. As for 'Arry and Bert in N Scale, they would need distinctive and malicious faces, so they'd sell better in N Scale than they did in HO Scale.
Honestly, I feel like it would probably be best for the line if they were able to knock out Edward and Henry before adding more Class 08 recolors, and even then, I'd hope for at least one side character who's more unique (like Duck or Mavis) before adding Sidney/Arry & Bert as well.
Thinking about it, the N scale range might be forming a bit of a pattern as well. It started out with 3 complex tooling locomotives (Thomas, Percy, & James) before landing on a simpler project (Toby). Next, they announced Emily & Gordon back to back in a surprisingly short time of 6 months, then announced a simpler tooling Class 08 with two character options (Diesel & Paxton). If the pattern could continue, we might see Henry, who already technically has a chassis design finished (since they'd likely reuse Gordon's), and Edward. Bachmann has seemed to be able to get N Scale stuff out pretty quickly so far (other than James, who had to contend with Covid and the shipping mishap), so assuming Diesel and Paxton are able to progress quickly as well, I think we could potentially see
Edward and
Henry both announced within the next year and a half. Afterwards, Bachmann could look into other side characters, such as
Duck, Sidney, or
Mavis.
Other than that, I think some plain(ish) freight rolling stock options would also help diversify the range. I'm genuinely surprised that we haven't seen a single non-troublesome variant of the 7-Plank Wagon tooling, so I'd suggest adding the
Red Open Wagon and
Green Open Wagon w/ Coal Load. Next, I'd hope that Bachmann could add the
Milk Tanker and
Tar Tanker, since they were the two tankers that have been in the show since Series 1 and have both been in the HO and Large Scale ranges. It would also be nice if we could get the
Grey 12t Box Van that was just announced for HO as well, because that's a nice variant that was seen in the show, especially in the CGI era that the N Scale range is based on.
I think that Edward, Henry, and the rolling stock mentioned above could be pretty reasonable announcements for Bachmann to focus on in the N Scale range over the next 2 years or so, because we'd be able to get the rest of the Steam Team and some much needed freight stock out of it. What do you guys think?
I definitely agree on the general consensus that Henry and Edward would make the most sense to be announced next. I also think Duck would make a pretty solid addition following Henry and Edward, since he has an established rivalry with Diesel and had made somewhat consistent appearances in the CGI series as far as returning characters from the Brenner era are concerned. His HO model was an extremely popular request before he was announced and has remained a top seller in HO ever since it was released back in 2013, 10 years ago (anyone else feel old yet? :P). He's also my favorite character and I personally am most interested in getting engines 1-8 plus Diesel in N scale due to my nostalgia or growing up with the five Ringo tapes when I was a kid. Though, I may get Emily and Paxton depending on how they turn out once fully painted.
Based on the engines that are being worked on now, I'm betting Henry will likely be announced once Gordon is finished, Edward after Emily is finished and lastly Duck after Diesel and Paxton are finished. It would make a really solid lineup of characters if these three are considered to be introduced next in N. I'm sure this will take at least another 2 or so years from now but once Bachmann announces those three, I'm pretty much an open book as far as whatever other engines Bachmann would like to introduce after that.
As for rolling stock, I think once Toad and Emily's coaches are released (since they are both fully painted), I could see brake vans (the standard 20t brake van and the spiteful brake van) and the red coaches most likely joining the range after that. I do agree though that open wagon recolors would make solid additions, the green coal wagon with load and the red open wagon would make perfect additions and I would love to see the gray van find its way in the lineup of N scale box vans. As for the tankers, I think Bachmann still needs to make a new tanker tooling over the Graham farish ones, but while doing so they can announce a new lineup of three tankers including milk, and tar being two of them. The third can be something random for fun like the toffee tanker or even the raspberry syrup tanker if they wish, just as long as we get milk and tar first, especially since those two are in the CGI series.
It would be most wise that once Gordon and Emily are out of the way, Henry and Edward will get announced for N Scale. Once Diesel and Paxton are out of the way, Duck should get announced for N Scale, since he had a rivalry with Diesel in one of the earliest seasons of the show. It's already been a decade since Duck's HO Scale model hit the market, and has consistently been a popular seller since then. He was also the last engine in the HO Scale range to be based on the model series. In N Scale, Duck will be based on his CGI render, but no big deal. With Toad coming soon, Oliver shouldn't be too far off from N Scale, as he too was a popular seller in HO Scale. Since Oliver was based on his CGI render, Bachmann can easily just scale down his HO Scale tooling to work in N Scale.
The best next choices for N Scale engines are Henry, Edward, Duck and Oliver, apart from Diesel recolors like Sidney, 'Arry and Bert. For N Scale rolling stock, I'd be most happy with a generic or Spiteful Brake Van, Red Open Wagon, Coal Wagon w/ Load, Red Coaches, and a Gray Box Van.
Quote from: Chaz on August 28, 2023, 06:59:26 PMAs for the tankers, I think Bachmann still needs to make a new tanker tooling over the Graham farish ones, but while doing so they can announce a new lineup of three tankers including milk, and tar being two of them. The third can be something random for fun like the toffee tanker or even the raspberry syrup tanker if they wish, just as long as we get milk and tar first, especially since those two are in the CGI series.
I can't say I agree with wanting a new tool for the N Scale Tank Cars. I think the 'Thomas'-style Tank Car tool that Bachmann's been using in HO and Large Scale is quite ugly, if I'm being honest. The molded-in wiring looks tacky and makes the logos printed on the wagon's side look bumpy and unnatural. The Large Scale version in particular looks awful with how it simplifies the chassis detail in order to have commonality with the Large Scale Open Wagons and Box Vans... In contrast, the Graham Farish 12-ton Tankers are beautifully detailed on account of being real scale models. Say what you will about the lack of the wiring, I'd rather it not be present at all than mar the entire look of the model by having them extruding from the body. I don't think pricing is a good justification to switch either, it likely wouldn't be that much cheaper and what we have now isn't that far off from most of the wagons of the range to begin with. And that's before considering it'd be a visual downgrade, but I think I've made my view clear regarding that, ha ha. I do definitely agree with the desire for Tar and Milk Tanks in N, though. I think it would be nice to see a new color debut in N Scale alongside them. (Something red, perhaps? Please?)
In terms of other Rolling Stock, I've voiced support before for the Red/Blue/Green+Coal Open Wagons before, and still feel they'd be good to have since we currently only have Troublesome varieties of 7-Planks. The Spiteful Brake Van would also be nice to see in the lineup, too. I know most would rather have plain faceless brakes, but 'Break Van' is one of my favorite stories from the 'Thomas' mythos, so having that old grump in N Scale would be a treat for me, ha ha. Last rolling stock idea for now, but I think the Flatbeds with Crates from HO would be good to adapt for N, if only because the smaller crates could have some cross-play appeal as props for an HO/OO layout. The HO Scale crates are cartoonishly huge, but an N Scale crate could be a reasonable facsimile of a specially shipped crate or package. Just a bit of food for thought...
In the case of locos, Duck would be a nice character to have. I've made my thoughts on who I want most besides Edward and Henry clear (Mavis, ha ha) but I will happily accept him, Donald and Douglas, or Oliver. Spencer and Rosie would be nice as well, especially if they make Rosie in the red livery specifically. (I don't mind the pink, but given the red is the 'current' look for the character it would make more sense to use that. Perhaps the pink could be a later release in the same vein as LBSC Thomas or Black James?) I could make an argument for basically every character already in HO to deserve a spot in the N Scale lineup, as well as for the likely suspects for the next additions to HO, like Nia, Hiro, or Sidney. Rebecca and a potential Nia would round out the main case (especially fitting given N's all-'CGI' aesthetic), Daisy and Ryan are fun characters to have on a layout... Salty and Stanley are nice industrial-feeling picks... Even 'Arry and Bert could be given another shake here if discontinued items like the non-Thomas starter sets and the Ice Cream Box Van are fair game. The only characters I see having difficulty are Bill, Ben, and Beau... With the former two the only real issue is whether or not they can be motorized at that size. Perhaps by the time they're up for consideration, it can be done! Beau more or less relies on Bachmann bringing back their N Scale American-style 4-4-0, either as-is or via a retooling. I'd appreciate a new tool that's less clunky than the old 70s model, and hopefully the upcoming 19th Century 4-6-0 is an indicator Bachmann is willing to bring back some old-time-era steam power to N Scale...? In either case, N Scale is very exciting right now.
...Only just occurred that this is a very long post and only the first chunk is a response to what you were saying. Sorry Chaz!
No worries N Scale Sudrian, posts (regardless of length) for suggestions and ideas are what this thread is all about, no need to apologize!
In response to the tankers, the main reason why I'm indifferent to them using the graham farish tooling with the tankers comes down to two things, the first being the size of the tankers compared to other stock and engines since the tankers on the show are roughly around the same size as the wagons and vans on the show. The other is the additional nozzle that's placed at the back of the tanker, which isn't present on the tankers in the show always made the tankers look a little off in comparison. I do also find it baffling that this was the only time they used the graham farish tooling for the tankers, so I'm not sure if that was meant to be a one-off or not. It's even more baffling when you consider they made a new tooling for Toad the brake van of all things in N scale with no immediate plans for Oliver to come out. A welcome addition for sure, but definitely random on the surface. I do agree with you though on the wiring details, I own a graham farish tanker myself and I appreciate the detail on that model itself. The only major reason why I still bring them up on occasion is that Bachmann has gone back and made new box vans for the narrow gauge range, granted they're just the brake vans with the guard compartments removed which is I'm sure a factor with why they did that, but still a nice improvement all the same.
I also agree on the flatbed with crates with the crates being smaller than the HO ones, I'd buy those in a heartbeat. It'd be interesting to see if they would go for the same crate decals in HO or if they try to go for something that's exclusive to N scale too. Also thanks for reminding me of Mavis, that's actually one I forgot to mention earlier and I would probably pick up a model of her as well since I always liked her design. Still a little bummed she hasn't been announced in large scale, but hopefully she won't be overlooked in N scale in the future.
I believe the second protrusion on the top of the GraFar Tank Car is supposed to be a vent, so that air can escape the tank while its being filled. Tank Cars in real life will have these, though I'm not sure why the 'Thomas' show's Tank Cars lack them... I understand not liking the size of the tool, it's a matter personal taste. Personally, I always found the HO/OO 'Thomas' Tank Car to be a bit small compared to the range's other wagons. So when these proper-scale Tank Cars had the same size dynamic, I assumed it was correct, so it's never bothered me particularly.
I think the reason for using the Graham Farish tool was mostly a measure of convenience. It was announced alongside James in 2020, and there weren't any proper samples of the 2019 N Scale debut lineup at that point, so rather than add yet another new tooling onto their plate they opted to go with one that was already done. And I'd say that did work out in their favor since they managed to get those Tank Cars onto the market more or less alongside the 2019 announcements. I suppose that's another good reason to not switch to a new tool now, it'd complicate the lineup to abandon the tool in favor of a new one that might not have all the same liveries as the first one! I rather like the Water and Oil Tanks, and don't much care for the Fuel Tank, but Fuel feels most likely to get 'first dibs' out of those three liveries if they ever do a new tool... There's more reasons to keep the GraFar tool around than there is to change it, from my perspective.
Honestly I'm not sure either why they didn't opt to use the Graham Farish 'Toad' for their Toad, they really didn't need to re-invent the wheel with that one... Best I can think of is that in general, 2022 was a turning point for the N Scale 'Thomas' range. Everything announced from 2019 to the 2022 catalog had been very 'safe' and 'minimal' for the sake of testing the waters of a new market, and ever since 2022 NMRA they've started splashing out and making more brave moves to expand the line now that they know the water's safe. I suppose in that since, Toad being a new tool could be their version of a power play! Shocking the world by showing off what they're able and willing to do in N Scale 'Thomas'! ...I suppose there may be some other reason such as the GraFar tooling not being available for the 'Toad', but I like the theatrics of my theory better, ha ha!
Here's my top four picks I want bachmann to do (hope they give these a announcement in the new year or the next mid year announcements).
Duke (really want them to do him most of all since they've now done all 6 of the original narrow gauge engines I'd just want them to do duke to finish the group despite the mandate).
The slip coaches (to go along with duck and just to add more coaches to the line).
And of course both Samson and Bradford (again Samson and Bradford are my most wanted products after Samson and the fireworks).
Also I had a honorable mention
Stepeny
And D261
Now since there may not be a chance for these two to come in the range due to the mandate I'd like to see these three made if the mandate ends. (I was thinking stepeny and d261 as they both were done in the hornby range and both were made in the take n play range with the original magnets before the new magnets came in and i think that's what ended the range).
those are probably the most I'd like to see come in the range one day.
Hopefully, if this mandate ever ends, Bachmann eventually will give us Stepney, BoCo and Duke. Class 40 is another good choice for a model series character, and another larger diesel, since he was also made by Hornby. Bachmann could do the Beau move and recycle their UK Class 40 tooling, though he wouldn't have moving eyes.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on September 02, 2023, 01:10:07 AMHopefully, if this mandate ever ends, Bachmann eventually will give us Stepney, BoCo and Duke. Class 40 is another good choice for a model series character, and another larger diesel, since he was also made by Hornby. Bachmann could do the Beau move and recycle their UK Class 40 tooling, though he wouldn't have moving eyes.
If they do reuse the UK tooling for Class 40 like they did with Beau, and it would be nice if they do, I would hope they also do the same with Arthur and Murdoch as well. It would make sense, given that they are quite popular characters, as well as taking advantage of Hornby Murdoch's rarity to introduce their own version of Murdoch at a much cheaper price than the $2000 Hornby Murdoch's on Ebay usually go for.
Something that may help in regards to the mandate: Maybe they could market and release a CGI series character and a Model series character side-by-side. That way, they could meet the mandate as well as appeal to the older fans. I don't know if that would be possible, but I at least wanted to get the suggestion out there.
So this was something I purely decided to do for fun, but also out of curiosity since I've been noticing fans bring up which narrow gauge engine they want to see following Duncan. Since Bachmann have now announced every member of the original Skarloey Railway who found their way in CGI, it begs the question which one is going to be the next big demand. I personally would love to see Duke as I'm sure an overwhelming amount of many other Thomas fans would as well, but with how Mattel has been preventing Bachmann from doing model era only engines like Stepney and BoCo, I have a feeling the same logic will be applied for narrow gauge for now. Which is a real shame, given Duke's massive following from both Thomas fans as well as the OO9 modeling community.
However, there are still some narrow gauge engine choices left that I want to discuss. I asked another fan, Bluebells5529, on Twitter to make a poll while I made a poll in a Thomas modeling group on Facebook asking which of the remaining three narrow gauge engines in CGI should be introduced next. So, I want to discuss the results on here starting from the top request to the least.
Before I begin, I really want to emphasize that I don't think another narrow gauge engine announcement will happen for sometime, now that we have two engines in production with little to no updates on both of them. Again, this is purely just for fun and not much else. Anyways, here are the results:
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While the numbers are different, the results are exactly the same as far as which one has the more popular demand following them. It's quite clear which one is the most liked out of the remaining three and which one should probably be skipped or saved for last. So, let's talk about Luke.
Luke undeniably won first place in both of the polls. This to me makes the most sense, since unlike Victor and Millie, Luke is actually a member of the Skarloey Railway in the CGI series. But more importantly, with all of the Blue Mountain Quarry rolling stock and themes that Bachmann has provided since the launch of the range in 2015, Luke would feel like a very natural addition to the range. He also doesn't require another character he is associated with or even another location to have his presence in the range make sense like how Victor or Millie would. The one major thing that would probably be a problem with Luke would be the design of his chassis, particularly his siderods. It would make the Luke model a little more difficult to produce and probably a little more expensive than some of the other engines. But, I don't think this would rule Luke out entirely since I think Bachmann can still pull it off, it just might mean he may be a little more of a delicate model in the range. Seeing as how the range is usually selling well with adult collectors who take better care of these models and don't run these models on the floor like a toy, I can't imagine it would affect that particular audience all that much anyway.
Second place goes to Victor. The Victor talk I have been seeing lately is what really started to initiate this idea of a poll for me, as Victor was not talked about all that much when the narrow gauge range started or even as more characters kept getting introduced. That being said, Victor has always been a very consistent character with the brand in the CGI series and is easily one of the most iconic non-steam team characters in the brand. He definitely has the most simple design to work with compared to Luke and Millie, but I do think he would look a little too tall as well as too long to fit in with the rest of the narrow gauge lineup. He also would need other additions to make his addition in the range make sense like Kevin or a simplistic attempt at a Steamworks similar to how Bachmann made Tidmouth and Knapford. Either way, Victor has quite the following and appeal going for him. I would personally be fine with Victor and I think he would go great along with Hiro if Bachmann were to consider him in HO in the future as both of them were introduced in the first full CGI production, Hero of the Rails.
And lastly, the character who barely got any votes, (literally only one vote on the Facebook poll), is Millie. I can easily see why Millie is the last out of the remaining three narrow gauge engines because in addition to being an out of place announcement without additions like Stephen and Glynn, Millie is nowhere near as iconic as Victor or Luke. The only reason I could see Millie happen next would be a push from Mattel to introduce a female narrow gauge engine since she is literally the only female narrow gauge engine in the whole show, otherwise I don't really see any other reason Bachmann would go out of their way to make Millie. I'm personally not against the idea of Millie being made and I think there would be some fun OO9 mods and projects that would come from her design, particularly with her chassis. However, the numbers are showing that the demand and following for Millie just isn't there, and it makes perfect sense to save Millie for last out of the remaining three narrow gauge engines in CGI, if Bachmann even decides that it's worth pursuing.
Anyway, polls do a great job at telling us numbers but they don't seem to show as much when it comes to letting voters share their reasons for their choices, so I'll leave the rest of this discussion open for you guys. Which narrow gauge engine left from the CGI series do you want to see introduced next? Do you think there's still potential for any of these characters or do you think Bachmann should quit while they are ahead and focus more on the other Thomas ranges like HO, N and/or possibly large scale? Or should Bachmann even bite the bullet and try to convince Mattel to introduce Duke anyway since it's very clearly the next narrow gauge engine that a lot of fans would love to see next despite the CGI mandate? Either way, let me know your thoughts.
I definitely think Bachmann should continue the 009 range. There's a few different ways the range can go now that the main 6 are announced in my opinion.
Option 1 is obviously Duke which could lead to Bertram and Smudger as then its just a simple repaint of Duke's model and Rheneas.
Option 2 as previously mentioned CGI Luke, Victor and Millie which I think the demand for Millie would increase if Bachmann ever did Stephen or Glynn. Luke already has the established core 6 who he shares the screen with and Victor lives at the steam works so endless potential there, I could even see Kevin being introduced if Victor ever is. Personally out of the 3 Millie is my Favourite.
Option 3 is the Hit Era characters, Freddie, Mighty Mac, Proteus, all three are still pretty marketable and I think I could see at least Freddie being made.
While I do understand that focusing on other ranges is good, but I feel like HO and N are doing great if anything its 009 that always seem to be further down in the priorities which is a bit of a shame
I had recently thought of some more ideas of rolling stock for the narrow gauge line. (Some I already said and some I had thought of recently).
the green open air coaches (already mentioned those)
more of the break vans in the brown and grey paint (already mentioned those)
more of the box vans in the same color as the break vans just mentioned (again these new box vans are really nice) again mentioned those already
another slate wagon with slate (this one numbered 136 I looked at the Wikipedia page for the talyllyn railway equipment and bachmann has done the slate wagons numbered 101 164 and 178 so they should do the one numbered 136 to the slate wagons)
Some flatbeds (the one example I got is the one used to carry the headmaster's organ in faulty whistles)
the well wagon (the one used in the runaway elephant also add the elephant statue)
the narrow gauge crane with a flatbed (the one peter Sam was pushing in peter Sam and the refreshment lady)
and the side dump wagons (the ones used to dump stones out)
this was just some suggestions I thought of lately since bachmann has done the 6 narrow gauge engines I think they can add some more rolling stock to the line and these are a lot I thought.
Also more of the narrow gauge engines real life counterpart locomotives (since they're soon coming out with the real locomotive skarloey's based off I think they should do the rest of them).
so hopefully they do these one day.
Oooh I live a bunch of these ideas . Reusing the existing British molds has been done since day for rolling stock . But I think doing it for engines could get a lot of characters get made faster.
However D261 is very unlikely considering that he only appeared once.
What if Bachmann reused Gordon and Spencer's tenders with serval mods to make flying Scotsman .
Also what about making the ulfstead castle characters to go along with the coach they announced earlier .
Rerelease the well wagon with a jet engine load and replace the logs on the flatbed with a Chinese dragon mold . These are both iconic episodes of the show and the dragon will go in with the fun fair vans .
Also on the topic why not update the graphics on the live lobster to topham circus to fit in .
Maybe in the upcoming years 2024 and after we can see some more troublesome trucks .
Mainly a van a troublesome van would be cool if Bachmann does I hope they give it the iconic face as seen in toad stands by and haunted Henry.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on September 23, 2023, 11:23:47 PMOooh I live a bunch of these ideas . Reusing the existing British molds has been done since day for rolling stock . But I think doing it for engines could get a lot of characters get made faster.
However D261 is very unlikely considering that he only appeared once.
What if Bachmann reused Gordon and Spencer's tenders with serval mods to make flying Scotsman .
Also what about making the ulfstead castle characters to go along with the coach they announced earlier .
Rerelease the well wagon with a jet engine load and replace the logs on the flatbed with a Chinese dragon mold . These are both iconic episodes of the show and the dragon will go in with the fun fair vans .
Also on the topic why not update the graphics on the live lobster to topham circus to fit in .
Maybe in the upcoming years 2024 and after we can see some more troublesome trucks .
Mainly a van a troublesome van would be cool if Bachmann does I hope they give it the iconic face as seen in toad stands by and haunted Henry.
I've gotta say, both The Jet Engine and The Chinese Dragon sound like awesome ideas for future products. Both are iconic in their own right and also open up more possibilities for newer sets. Despite Emily and Percy receiving their own sets in N Scale, Bachmann seem to prefer producing sets revolving around only Thomas. If this is the case, then why not produce two brand new starter sets with the dragon and jet engine respectively? As stated before, model series rolling stock seems to be something that has a higher likelihood of being made than model series engines for some reason and to be honest, if Bachmann are willing to produce a Gunpowder Wagon that hasn't been seen since Season 4, what's really stopping them from producing wagons like these which you could argue are just as, if not more iconic? Just a thought... ::)
Sounds great!
Tbh Bachmann is making a lot of road characters so they need to bring back the wellwagon and pairing it up with the jet engine will sell very well I will for sure buy one .
The slip coaches are hopeful gonna be very soon because Bachmann makes the British uncoupling track which would be perfect to use the slip coaches on .
They uncouple with out stopping and since we have duck and Oliver we should get the slip coaches .
I really want Bachmann to make the dragon and the jet engine I could not stop thinking about that mainly the well wagon cause we are getting a ton on road vehicles in the show that's what the well wagon mainly carried .
Another idea for the well wagon is it with Mike Rex and Bert loads since Bachmann does not make z scale and they are the only members of there railway that are seen in the TVS .
I've been meaning to do a new prediction post after the announcements. However, even over the last month my thoughts have been continuing to change, at least in terms of engine announcements in HO and narrow gauge. This post will more or less talk about my suggestions 2024 and 2025, to an extent. Not much more left to say, so I'll just get started:
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For HO, I'm betting on an engine recolor announcement in 2024 at most since we only just recently got an engineering sample for Rebecca and now we have Stanley on the table. Sidney is kind of an obvious one, if they want to do one, or maybe Bachmann might surprise us and do a new Paxton with a smaller and more accurate face and a small eye mech that can be shared with Sidney? I know that may be a stretch, but clearly Bachmann have listened to feedback on the HO Paxton enough to make a drastic change on the large scale model and the upcoming N scale Paxton wouldn't have an issue with the face at all due to not having a moving eye mechanism. If they can't/won't change the eye mech for Sidney then I personally think it's best to skip an engine in 2024 and wait til 2025 once Rebecca is completed and released. Any other engine repaint like the mainland diesels or green salty would be way too niche and would just be shelf warmers like Yellow Rheneas, which wouldn't be worth it.
For rolling stock I would like to see Bachmann invest in repainted brake vans. I love the spiteful brake van model and if you choose to remove the face off a spare spiteful brake van you pick up, it makes for a smart looking brake van on your layout. However, it would be nice if Bachmann invested in more screen accurate liveries for brake vans. The two I think would make the most sense would be brown and purple with one representing the model era and the other in CGI (I'd mention gray but that may be a little redundant with the spiteful brake van in the range). It's an easy repaint that while it may seem a little odd on the surface, it doesn't seem that unusual considering the gray van that was announced this summer:
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I also think it's a good time to revisit troublesome truck #7. Usually, Bachmann would announce a new troublesome truck once every three years or so, but they hadn't done so in a while due to lack of options in the CGI series for truck options since the double vent van never appeared in CGI. Now that the 12 ton vans are coming in HO, I think now is the perfect time to announce troublesome truck #7 as an upcoming 12 ton van, based on this design from the CGI series:
(https://i.gyazo.com/bb3eeb28f4dff676f2cff3fcf0bb5530.webp)
HOWEVER, while I'm personally not opposed to CGI, it should be worth noting that prior to TT6, Bachmann still went ahead with a model era face for TT5 in 2016. So maybe we might get lucky with a model era face this time around? I do think the model era faces are far more expressive and stand out a lot more than the CGI expressions. If we do I'd like to see an angry face for a nice contrast to the other faces:
(https://i.gyazo.com/46dd8c6c6676e027c85826acd0f41dd4.webp)
Though, I sadly understand why they would more likely go for the former. That being said I will gladly take that over an African van or some other international rolling stock repaint from one of the BWBA episodes no one cares about.
Any other rolling stock in HO at this point I think will be only be recolors until the open carriage gets released first. I don't think we'll get more figure packs until 2025 once the first set of packs are either released/fully painted first.
Moving onto narrow gauge, I think this goes without saying but with how slow production is going for Sir Handel and now we have Duncan in the lineup, it's probably best Bachmann skips making an engine for the time being.
Same goes for rolling stock, though if they announce anything I would love to see them release a brown brake van as a repaint and a slate wagon with another Talyllyn road number. The latter was a nice surprise last year and I'd love to see them do the same in the future. Once they make progress on the new wagons announced last year I'd really like to see them discontinue their Peco open wagon repaint and announce a more accurate open wagon tooling in its place:
(https://i.gyazo.com/056e105780d132c8025a72a88e9c568b.webp)
They can offer these in green, red and gray variants as per the CGI series. If Bachmann can't announce these in 2024, I would be more than happy with this being the only new tooling announcement for narrow gauge in 2025 if it means Sir Handel makes decent progress in 2024 and released the following year. :)
Now we have N scale, with the blatantly obvious answer for the next engine candidate: Henry.
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Regardless if it's either the catalog announcements in January or February or the NMRA announcements next summer, Henry is a clear, if not inevitable pick. I think once Gordon is released either in the spring of 2024 (or maybe earlier if we are lucky), Henry would in no doubt be the perfect follow up to the N scale Gordon announcement. With how slow progress has been on Emily in contrast and now adding Diesel and Paxton to the lineup, I could see Edward and Duck being saved for 2025, but I'll discuss that later.
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For rolling stock, seeing as how Toad will most likely be out fairly soon I can see them adding brake vans this year but making a new mold based on the 20 ton brake van that's more iconic in the show. They can even have the spiteful brake van be one of the brake vans, and the purple and brown variants I mentioned earlier being other worthy additions making a solid lineup of three brake vans to choose from.
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I also can see the red coaches getting their inevitable announcement in 2024 as well too. These have proven to very popular in both HO and large scale and even Bachmann's UK lineup so it's only a matter of time until they announce these. I can see these getting announced once Emily's coaches are released.
(https://i.gyazo.com/3cfdf9ac7f7febbde4bc35ce8c9e3f39.jpg)
I also think it would be nice seeing other repaints as well, particularly the original coal wagon with load finding its way into N scale. If it also means getting the blue and red ones as well then by all means I would welcome them as well. As long as we get those and not the wagons with the decals like "Sodor coal company" or whatever, I would be perfectly okay with this.
(https://i.gyazo.com/48c8553ff1da12368b2a35775afedca9.png)
And lastly, I think we will get a Gordon's express set in N scale. Considering Percy and Emily both got sets recently and Gordon's coaches got announced this summer I think this is pretty much a given. It's definitely a good way to get people excited for the upcoming Gordon model release as well.
And finally the large scale range.
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Taking a breather with large scale makes the most sense considering how slow that particular market is. However I think 2024 would be a good time to announce 'Arry and Bert, but have them as conditional announcements. Bachmann recently announced some Dash 9's in large scale this summer subject to orders received, and I think this would be a good way for Bachmann to handle releasing Arry and Bert in large scale. Why I think this is because of how poorly Arry and Bert did in HO, their sales in large scale would most likely be even smaller. But, if Bachmann can at least make them in smaller quantities and instead of making an excessive amount with a lot of leftover stock sitting on shelves, the they will go to the customers who will want them and will follow through with the preorders and thus not be such a major waste in production.
Apart from Arry and Bert, the only other announcements I see happening in large scale next year are the 12 ton vans that just got announced in HO. Seems like an obvious choice with no further explanation.
I also want to do some quick mentions for 2025. Before I do, it's worth noting that 2025 will be the 80th anniversary of Thomas and Friends and I can only imagine Bachmann would have a lot of fun and exciting announcements for the anniversary. This is when I think we will finally get a model of Hiro in HO since this is the most logical choice after Rebecca and would undoubtedly sell a lot better and be a much more well-received announcement. I also think that if they announce N scale Henry in 2024 and have N scale Emily released in either late 2024/early 2025 that it would be the perfect time to announce Edward in N scale. Edward was the first character introduced in the railway series so announcing him in N scale for the 80th anniversary in 2025 after Henry would be simply poetic. I also think once Diesel and Paxton are released, Bachmann can also announce Duck in N scale in the summer of 2025 so fans can finally have all members of the original 8 engines in N scale. As for large scale in 2025, I think that will be the perfect time to announce the LBSC Thomas. However, like Arry and Bert, I think a large scale LBSC Thomas should be a conditional announcement, or at the very least a limited run. Other big announcements I think should be saved for 2025 would be more figure pack announcements in HO, large scale Henrietta and Hannah as a special new tooling announcement for the range, and -hopefully- now that Bulgy is coming in HO, Trevor can finally get a very long overdue introduction from Bachmann. Either way I think 2025 is gonna be the next big year for Bachmann, so here's hoping these happen at some point in the future.
Anyways that was a mouthful on my end. Let me know your guys' thoughts and hopefully we can continue to see further updates from Bachmann down the road.
I could practically imagine Iron 'Arry and Iron Bert to just be rereleased for 2025.
The cream 12 Ton Van from the show becoming Troublesome Truck #7 would make the most sense. That color of van is more or less treated as the "standard version" in the 3D animated show, so the fact it's not represented in the upcoming HO 12 Ton Van lineup is definitely an indicator of that color variant being planned for Troublesome Truck #7. That said, I wouldn't mind the African or Chinese equivalent of the van being chosen. They look perfectly fine and there's no reason that those wagons couldn't exist on Sodor anyway regardless of where they showed up in the show. It's a very diverse and accepting island, and any arguments to the contrary would be blatantly ignoring the entirety the series' nearly-80-year history, ha ha.
I definitely agree with Henry being the next 'Thomas' loco in N Scale, no reason mulling over why given how obvious he is. It would be nice to see the Spiteful Brake Van and faceless, textless 7-Plank wagons as well. Personally my biggest wish for the next year's product announcements are vehicle accessories such as Bertie, Harold, Cranky, etc. It's very hard to source appropriately-sized versions of those characters for an N Scale layout, so having Bachmann produce some would be much appreciated!
I personally don't see 'Arry and Bert happening in Large Scale, even as a conditional release. Diesel and Paxton are still very recent and following them up with another pair of Class 08s sounds like a recipe for not meeting the release conditions and wasting the time of everybody involved when they could be announcing a new product that would undoubtedly be more popular. Edward, Mavis, and Rosie come to mind as much stronger picks for new tools, perhaps Stanley as well if he proves popular in HO. I could see conditional releases for alternate character liveries such as LBSC Thomas or Busy Bee James (or Pink Rosie if Rosie is picked for Large Scale, given they'd probably do what they did with Grumpy Diesel and release the later HO version as the main/only version in Large Scale), but not 'Arry and Bert, at least not until there's been something that the market for LS finds more compelling first.
Troublesome truck 7 and 8
If they do a troublesome truck
number seven van
I hope they do the very iconic face that looks creepy and toad stands by and says oh look Henrys spooked.
Bring back
Tar tankers - as troublesome truck 8 with a face
Cream tankers
Make a narrow gauge troublesome slate truck using the TT9 face And introduce it to the n scale range with different couplings to be the one from JBS
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on October 02, 2023, 02:40:41 PMIt's a very diverse and accepting island, and any arguments to the contrary would be blatantly ignoring the entirety the series' nearly-80-year history, ha ha.
A little provocative much?
Not wanting African/Chinese repaints doesn't mean anything regarding "ignoring the entirety series' nearly-80-year history", when those renders were created as cheap rolling stock renders during the production of BWBA. The reference photo that was used at the time for Troublesome truck #6 in the catalog was the first image for troublesome tankers on the Wiki at the time, and it probably wasn't intentional during that time either. Fans eventually brought up to Bachmann that the tanker was one of the African repaints during BWBA, hence why they've casually mentioned the tanker being an "African tanker" on the stream. It wasn't my first choice personally once the final product was revealed, but I had a feeling it was the case once the model was released but that's beside the point.
The point is, your remark on "blatantly ignoring the history" was not only completely unnecessary, but it is also completely false. You could have easily just left it as "I personally like these variants and wouldn't mind them being chosen" and explained why and left it at that and I would have moved on and respected your views (like with the N scale tanker debate earlier). Instead, you decided to throw an ad hominem on a point I made, which I really do not appreciate. As stated by admins and moderators on this forum, you're allowed to agree/disagree with others on their views or points but please be civil about it and do not make passive aggressive remarks like that on the forum. Thank you.
Maybe a season 1 troublesome truck for the nostalgics out there. I could just imagine that this would be popular for nostalgia.
As always, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on new product suggestions for the next few years, Chaz. All the N Scale suggestions along with Troublesome Truck #7 in HO are products that I would be particularly interested in, especially if the latter is a 12 Ton Van with a model era face, but that is a specific post for another time.
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on October 02, 2023, 02:40:41 PMThat said, I wouldn't mind the African or Chinese equivalent of the van being chosen. They look perfectly fine and there's no reason that those wagons couldn't exist on Sodor anyway regardless of where they showed up in the show. It's a very diverse and accepting island, and any arguments to the contrary would be blatantly ignoring the entirety the series' nearly-80-year history, ha ha.
N Scale Sudrian, I respect your thoughts on this subject and understand that you did not mean to offend anyone. Yet, please review how you word your points before posting, as this was executed the wrong way.
That stated, with the N Scale line growing, I hope to have the opportunity to see a layout or sets in N Scale from you in the future on the forum. It is amazing to see how much has already been produced at that scale, and it is great to see several members show the attention that the N line certainly needs and deserves.
I'm sorry, Chaz, I wasn't trying to be passive-aggressive or trying to launch an "ad-hominem" at your idea. I'll do my best to not post like that in the future. :(
I would like to clarify my stance for the sake of being able to move on from this... When I read the original books, I found they presented the idea of the Island being a safe space that the vulnerable can turn to in times of crisis. It's how characters in mortal peril like the Scottish Twins and Oliver are able to have a happy ending, and later works do often corroborate this with characters like Hiro or Nia. Characters from different walks of life learn to co-operate, and characters who hate and discriminate receive comeuppance... I think Sodor's diversity is very much a part of the 'Thomas' tapestry, and it's a part I find quite comforting.
With all this talk of troublesome trucks I am going to make the ultimate freight wagon wish list for Bachmann Ho scale
M truck - return
Tar tanker - return but with face from season 4
Cream tanker - return model series colors and logo
James's blue truck
Hector
Update live lobster van graphics to say topham Circus
Brown non bogie CCT VAN
Lei
Spooked face troublesome van haunted Henry face
Slag wagon
Calliope
Season 1 troublesome truck
Indian troublesome truck
Chinese dragon on flatbed
Rex on brown well wagon
Bert on gray well wagon
Mike on black well wagon
Jet engine on special well wagon
Hopper wagon
1 plank container fun fair car
Fun fair cattle car
Pipe truck aka flatbed of fear
Bradford
Lynton and Barnstaple Wagons
Poultry Wagons
3 circus cars
After all this they will have made most of the wagons standard gauge in the entire show
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on October 02, 2023, 11:25:07 PMI'm sorry, Chaz, I wasn't trying to be passive-aggressive or trying to launch an "ad-hominem" at your idea. I'll do my best to not post like that in the future. :(
Thank you, apology accepted. :)
Thank you everyone for your feedback, and I'm really glad to see that we're starting to dive into ideas for troublesome truck #7 design ideas. I'm curious to see what ideas you will be sharing Christian, (or anyone else for that matter), but either way regardless of design there's something always exciting about new troublesome truck releases. Hopefully Bachmann will look into a new troublesome truck at some point in the future.
I'm also very optimistic for the future of the N scale range as well, as noted in my previous post. The fact that we're at eight characters announced already in just under 5 years of the range's first announcement back in 2019 really is amazing. I'm glad a lot of us are on the same page with Henry, as well as Edward. I'm also happy to see some light shining on Duck and Mavis, who the latter is a very close fourth right behind Duck in terms of engines I would like to see in the range. Along with Henry and Edward, Mavis' CGI render was made by Nitrogen, which I thought had a pretty accurate design compared to the original prop used on the show, in addition to being a very easy design to work with. These four engines (and Oliver to go along with Toad), are on my top 5 list for sure with Donald and Douglas and Daisy not far behind.
For HO Scale, recolors like Green Salty or Mainland Diesels would be too niche, like Yellow Rheneas, which ended up being the first real flop for Narrow Gauge. Hope they can fix the eye mechanism for Sidney. They should do a cream 12-ton van as Troublesome Truck #7.
Henry is definitely the most obvious choice for N Scale, and he must be announced for the 2024 catalog. Edward being the close second behind Henry. Duck and Mavis are also two very good choices for N Scale. Toad was made, despite there being no immediate plans for Oliver. The Spiteful Brake Van, as well as some faceless open wagons should also be made, along with the Red Coaches. The Red Express Coaches would also be possible for N Scale. Maybe for next NMRA. Special Coaches would be great for Spencer, once he's brought into the picture.
Non-rail characters would be great introduced to N Scale, including Bertie the Bus, Terence the Tractor, and Harold the Helicopter.
I'd personally really like to see the LBSC Thomas in N scale. It would give me a justification to get an N scale item (I haven't gotten any recolors in HO) and would be perfect for the 80th anniversary.
I also like the idea of break van recolors. It would definitely add more variety to my train consists.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on October 03, 2023, 01:41:52 AMFor HO Scale, recolors like Green Salty or Mainland Diesels would be too niche, like Yellow Rheneas, which ended up being the first real flop for Narrow Gauge. Hope they can fix the eye mechanism for Sidney.
Yes, there's still a percent chance they could fix the eye mechanism for Sidney. I think Bachmann should go back to doing recolors, so that way they can save enough money for the right tooling with their new engine (that is, when they announce Sidney into the range).
Bachmann needs to start offering more HO Scale Christmas rolling stock separately, including the 1-Plank Wagon with Presents, and the red Christmas Brake Van. The first piece of Christmas rolling stock to be sold separately will be the Christmas 12-Ton Van. It would also be appreciated if the 1-Plank Wagon with Santa's Sleigh and the Naughty and Nice Brake Van could also be sold separately. Other ideas include an Egg Nog Tanker, a Christmas Coach, and a Flatbed with a Christmas Tree. It would be a nice and convenient way to set up a Christmas train without having to buy another set.
For engines, they could even make Percy with a snowplow and Santa hat.
Been meaning to respond to some of the posts earlier, sorry I haven't gotten around to it until now!
I'm glad MontagueGWR08 brought up the brake van recolors I mentioned earlier, I feel these would work really well for all the ranges. Large scale hasn't really touched the brake van tooling since spiteful's announcement and it really would add some nice variety, in addition to justifying the N scale range making a new 20 ton brake van tooling and releasing brake van variants, regardless if spiteful is included or not. I wouldn't mind an LBSC Thomas in N scale either, they could probably announce that alongside an Origin James (or even Edward if they announce Henry in 2024) and that would be a really fun way to honor the 80th anniversary.
I also like the idea of Bachmann introducing non-rail characters in the N scale range. I'm personally hoping for Cranky the Crane in particular since it would help fans recreate Brendam Docks in N scale, in addition to being the first piece of scenery in N scale too. I know scenery items from Bachmann, particularly the resin buildings haven't lasted very long in HO, but it would be very nice to see some of these make their way into N scale as well. Heck, part of me wants to see Bachmann's attempt at an N scale Tidmouth sheds at some point in the future, considering the recent reintroduction in HO. Hopefully an N scale Tidmouth sheds would have better proportions than the HO model too, but I won't hold my breath on that one just yet.
But going back to the subject of non-rail characters. I think in addition to Cranky, the only other two I could see being introduced would be Bertie and Harold. It should be worth noting that Bertie and Harold, who were also introduced the same time as Cranky in HO, are both available in Bachmann's UK range proving that they were popular enough to be considered for their lineup. I feel like these three would make for a nice lineup of non-rail characters in N scale, similarly to how HO started. I'd include Terence as well, but I feel like he is a lot less iconic than the three I mentioned earlier, but if these three do well first I wouldn't rule him out from being included in a future lineup.
With regards to the N scale line, I concur that nonrail characters such as Bertie, Terence, Cranky, and possibly even Sir Topham Hatt's Car would be wonderful additions. As a big fan of the resin buildings, it would be nice to see at least a few of those enter the N line too, especially Maithwaite Station and the Brendam Warehouse. The same goes for N scale Human Figure Packs, if the ones in HO do well.
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While on the subject, I had to paste this image, featuring an old N scale Sodor layout by Tomix. I believe this layout was approximately 4 feet by 8 feet, and looking at the amount of scenery, elevation, and iconic locations, it is incredible as to how much you can accomplish in that amount of space for N scale. Part of me wishes to see someone recreate this layout, or one similar, while also showcasing the Bachmann N Thomas line of products on it. Maybe in the future ;).
Cool stuff! It is just such a bummer that Tomix never released the TAR tanker wagons, along with the TIDMOUTH MILK tanker wagons, as they would have looked just so cool! :'( who else here agrees?
I had done a rolling stock list here is an engine list .
Diesel 10
Flying Scotsman
Harvey
Nia
Hiro
Glynn
Stephen
Whiff
Scruff
Arry
Bert
Porter
Sidney
Ashima
Merlin
Young boa
Philip
Skiff
Winston
Belle
Gina
Mainland shunter
Some characters that can be repaints
Millie
Victor
Luke
Tamikia- ng Australia characters
MightyMac - use existing basis model
Duke - your running out of narrow gauge engines to make to rule could be exempt
Mid Sodor repaints
No way there making Freddie not even the fans care for him
I hope this opens up a huge discussion here
I feel that a Bachmann n scale Henry is inevitable.
id like to see murdoch be made. itd be nice to have a new bigger engine.
heres my rolling stock wish list
fuel drum flatbed
more open wagons from model series
quarry loaded troublesome trucks (multiple with different faces)
tar wagons to return
break down crane with the ultilty van
cct van
regular flatbed
long open wagon with pipe load
china clay wagon with load
jet engine
pipe loaded flatbed
fish vans both verisons
more rolling stock with loads in general
At this point, I'm praying for Bachmann to do HO Whiff & Rocky.
2024 is just down the corner that means the spring announcements are soon so here are my predictions for HO and NG .
•Winston - we already have him in large scale about time we got him in HO .
•Skiff - unpowered we have the Harwick crew but where is he .
•Troublesome truck 7- we have been talking about this forever it should be a van with the face that says oh look Henry's spooked .
•Well wagon black with Mike load
•Well wagon gray with Bert load
•Well wagon brown with Rex load
•Slip coach - due to a questionable release that can allow carriages uncouple automatically realistically can happen
• Ice cream van - rerelease
• sound wagon that has sounds from the show chuffing , station sounds , etc
Narrow gauge
•Open red coach
•Open blue coach
•Orange V tipper wagon
•Gray V tipper wagon
•Refreshment coach
Trevor
EZE track level crossing
DCC Thomas and Percy set
American to European coupling adaptor.
Updates to existing models
Thomas - new face and back lining
Henrietta - face
The only new engine if you can count it as one is Winston this is due to a back log of products Bachmann open coaches will come in both colors as Bachmann likes making red and blue versions of NG rolling stock . Not to mention they accidentally made blue open coaches NG in S17.
Am I the only person wishing for an HO Whiff & Rocky?
No I think whiff would make a great addition to the range same with Rocky tbh we need some Maintenance stuff for the range .
Rocky is a great ideal start to this . Diesel 10 and Harvey are some other examples they just need to get there attachments done right maybe you can take pinchy on or off .
The works unit coach is another maintence item same with Judy and Jerome .
The only question is how to whiff glasses
The lenses on Whiff's glasses can just be clear plastic, like windows.
Diesel 10 is the only other larger diesel to officially appear in the CGI series that's not international, like the unnamed Chinese diesel and Noor Jehan. The only thing holding him back is the claw. Same thing with Harvey's crane. Bachmann has done non-Thomas rail cranes, so there's nothing holding them back from making Judy and Jerome. The Works Unit Coach would also be a great new tooling for rolling stock in HO Scale. Making Harvey would be combining both a rail crane and an engine together. A self-propelled crane would be a first from Bachmann. As for Diesel 10, Bachmann has never mounted a claw onto a diesel engine before, so it would be a totally new thing for them, but they have done pantographs on electric engines outside the Thomas line. Doug Blaine has never denounced Harvey or Diesel 10 because of their attachments, so they can still be possible unless Blaine says otherwise, though he did denounce Stepney solely for the fact that he never appeared in full CGI. At least Harvey and Diesel 10 both appeared in CGI.
I would just love to see an N scale Edward, Henry, Mavis, Duck, Oliver. Hannah would also be cool.
Happy New Year everyone! Given that we are about a month away from seeing the 2024 catalog, here's a list of the products that I am hoping to see announced for 2024 or 2025.
HO Scale
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/%27Arry_and_Bert
Arry & Bert Reintroduction
In the past several months, the reintroduction of Arry & Bert has been a very popular request amongst fans, both through social media platforms and in-person conversations. Like Salty and other discontinued products, these go for outrageous prices on eBay these days, and would thus be welcome returnees to the line. However, the one change I would make is to alter the facial expression of at least one of the two diesels, just to differentiate them more.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Hiro_(T%26F)
Hiro
As stated last year, I think that everyone can agree that Hiro would be an excellent candidate for the future. His exquisite design and legacy in the show since 2009, the very start of CGI, are two of many factors that support this. Let's not forget that the Japanese Thomas fans would eat this up too.
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Whiff
As the final engine appearing in both the model and CGI series that does not feature gimmicks that could potentially breach the NMRA Standards, Whiff would be an awesome candidate for all Thomas fans. While also the only engine to wear glasses, what's most interesting is that there is currently no ready to run model of his basis. Thus, I could see UK modelers purchasing Whiff for conversions.
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Troublesome Truck #7
As stated in the 12 Ton Vans Thread, with the 12 Ton Van from large scale entering the HO line this year, a seventh troublesome truck with this tooling would be very nice to see. However, for this product to really capture the attention of all fans, I would highly encourage going with a model era face. I have pasted the specific faces I would love to see above, but any model era face would ultimately be appreciated.
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Ice Cream Van Reintroduction
Also as stated in the 12 Ton Van Thread, this would be a very welcome reintroduction, especially considering that the large scale 12 Ton Van tooling is more accurate than the tooling that was used for the initial HO Ice Cream Wagon release.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Tar_Tankers_(T%26F)
Tar Tanker Reintroduction
This is another popular request that I have seen, and with it appearing in the CGI series, as well as the model series, I am sure that all fans would greatly appreciate it.
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Works Unit Coach
As far as new toolings are concerned, I think that the works unit coach would be the best option, given that it is an iconic piece that dates all the way back to Season 1. More importantly, several paint schemes have appeared in the CGI era (Olive Green, Orange, Indigo), all of which I'd love to see Bachmann produce.
HO Figure Packs
Without a doubt, I am still most excited about the upcoming HO Figure Packs, and it would be fantastic to see a few more additions to this line. I would specifically love to see a pack of memorable Sodor characters such as Alicia Botti and the Duke & Duchess, as well as a pack of the Sodor Brass Band.
HO Narrow Gauge
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High Side Slate Wagons
While the slate wagons that are currently in the line are perfectly accurate to real-life slate wagons, it would be nice to see some larger ones that appeared in both the model and CGI series. Considering that they appeared in light gray, dark gray, and brown paint schemes in the CGI series (as shown in the pasted image above), I could see Bachmann announcing them in three paint schemes too.
N Scale
Henry
With the highly anticipated announcement of N Scale Gordon, which is currently the top Thomas preorder on TrainWorld, it definitely makes sense to announce Henry next.
Coal Wagon with Load
Red Open Wagon
Blue Open Wagon
Brake Van
For rolling stock, I think that there are currently more than enough coaches on the way. However, the line could certainly use some new freight cars, most notably some new open wagon variants as well as the brake van.
Large Scale
Edward or LBSC Thomas
The large scale line is still a mystery to me. However, looking through social media, the most popular large scale request still seems to be Edward, and I cannot deny that this would be a very eye-catching model for all Thomas fans. However, I am sure that fans would also be very happy with an LBSC Thomas, if it is preferred to produce a new engine without a new tooling at this scale.
Box Van- Funfair Red
Box Van- Funfair Blue
Box Van- Christmas Wreath
All in all, with the summer announcements consisting of much more than initially expected, let alone a newly-tooled engine announcement in every scale, minus large scale, I expect the catalog announcements to be relatively light. Nevertheless, I still have zero doubt that the future of the Bachmann Thomas line altogether is bright.
I do think whiff is a good idea but the only question is how would they do his glasses
Definitely some really solid suggestions, Terencethetractor525. I definitely echo a lot of the same points that have been discussed earlier like 'Arry and Bert's reintroduction to the range and especially an N scale Henry announcement. Hiro and the works unit coach would also be great followups to previously announced projects once released. Hopefully the works unit coach can be considered once the 12 ton vans and the open carriage are released since there are a lot of repaint options for Bachmann to choose from.
The ice cream van being released as a 12 ton van is something I never thought of, but I think it's a really good idea considering how Bachmann did the same approach with the narrow gauge box vans. The tar tanker would also make a nice re-introduction announcement as well. They could even announce it alongside the toffee tanker and the chocolate syrup tanker, which strangely have still not been released in HO scale yet.
Probably the most interesting thing you brought up in your post, in addition to several other users recently, is Whiff. Considering the recent introduction of Stanley into the range, in addition to other frequently used side characters like Rosie and Paxton, I feel like Whiff would be a very natural next step for Bachmann after Stanley. Though, I'm not entirely sure how Bachmann would tackle the glasses on Whiff. I feel like they would either mold the glasses on his face like how some previous merchandise lines have done with Whiff, or they would go the direction the prop from the show did and have the frames of Whiff's glasses attached to Whiff's face.
I don't really have any comment on the large scale range at this point, considering they didn't announce anything last year and the Museum coaches are still not out yet, (strangely). But hopefully they can get around to adding a new tooling again either with Edward, or at the very least Henrietta. If not, I'd be very surprised if none of the 12 ton van liveries from last summer's HO announcements don't find their way in the large scale range this year.
I'm not expecting much (if anything) as far as newly tooled projects in the 2024 catalog. Bachmann certainly have their hands full with newly tooled items as it is already. So, this would be a perfect time to announce a reintroduction of Arry and Bert- seeing as their resale prices are insane. Different faces would be a good idea as well. This would also give a reason for those who already have the older versions to maybe pick up a rerelease.
I would absolutely love an LBSC Thomas and Origins James in large scale, and also N scale! These would be a great announcement for a 2025 release for the 80th anniversary!
If HO Scale doesn't get another new tooling, with Rebecca and Stanley already on the horizon, I'd fully expect recolors like Sidney or Green Salty, though the former is by far the most-requested one, as Sidney has yet to be made in any scale. If he can't happen in HO Scale because of the eye mechanism, he could instead be made for N Scale using the Diesel/Paxton tooling. Fernando is another character that can be recycled from Diesel's tooling. Another hot request for HO Scale as of late is reintroducing 'Arry and Bert, who could also potentially get made in N Scale. As for rolling stock, the Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers still have yet to be made in HO Scale. The Ice Cream Van could also get reintroduced using the 12-Ton Van tooling. Troublesome Truck #7 could also be made using the 12-Ton Van tooling. For a new rolling stock tooling, we need the Works Unit Coach, which can be made in green, orange and blue. One newly-tooled engine for HO Scale that's been asked for lately is Whiff; the last engine that has yet to be announced for HO Scale that appeared in both model and CGI that doesn't feature gimmicks. If Whiff can't be announced in the catalog, he should definitely be announced for the NMRA.
I wouldn't expect anything for Narrow Gauge, considering we still have Sir Handel coming up, hoping we'll finally get a big update on him soon, and Duncan was recently announced.
For N Scale, it's time they announce Henry. His tooling would be very similar to Gordon's, but with some differences, including removing the trailing wheels, as well as a Stanier tender instead of a Fowler. Potential recolors would be LBSC Thomas and Origin James, which would be great for the 80th Anniversary next year, or recolors of Diesel's tooling being Sidney, 'Arry and Bert. It's been almost a year since Emily's unpainted prototype was shown, and she still hasn't been shown fully painted. What's with the delay on her? N Scale rolling stock desperately needs non-troublesome variants of the open wagon, including red, blue, and green coal wagons. Red Coaches would also be very welcome in N Scale.
LBSC Thomas and Origin James could even be made in Large Scale, in honor of the 80th Anniversary.
Nice to see everyone posting their last-minute predictions!
As far as HO goes, I'm not really sure what to expect next. We've got at least 2 new tooling projects for engines, rolling stock, and roadway vehicles already announced. Arry and Bert getting rereleased is an interesting suggestion, and I'm sure that Sidney would also be viable, although hopefully they'll be able to design an eye mechanism around the face, rather than the other way around. A rereleased Ice Cream Van is also something I could see them doing. Also, given the fact that Bachmann seem to be pretty quick with making the 12 ton van tooling (based on how quickly they got both the Large and N scale versions out), I could see them adding another rolling stock project. I agree with everyone else that the Works Unit Coach could be a good addition.
As for Narrow Gauge, I'm not really expecting any new tooling projects getting announced, considering there are 2 engines and 3 rolling stock projects in development. However, I could see them announcing Brown variants of the new Box and Brake Van toolings, since they would be relatively simple projects.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on January 10, 2024, 11:08:58 PMIt's been almost a year since Emily's unpainted prototype was shown, and she still hasn't been shown fully painted. What's with the delay on her?
In the last Thomas Tuesday stream, Doug said (near the end) that Emily's painted sample might be able to be shown in February, although he said it could end up being later than that.
Next, for N and Large Scale, I'll write somewhat more detailed predictions, outlining what I could see them doing for 2024 and 2025. I'll write a list first, then explain my thinking.
N Gauge2024 Winter Announcements:
- Henry
- Red Open Wagon
- Green Open Wagon w/ Coal Load
- Grey 12 Ton Van
2024 Summer Announcements:
- Edward (maybe)
- Milk Tank (New Tooling)
- Tar Tank (Also the new tooling)
2025 Winter Announcements:
- Edward (if not announced in 2024)
- LBSC Thomas (80th Anniversary)
- 12 Ton Van (Christmas Wreath and Mr. Jolly's Chocolate)
- Cream Tanker & Rasberry Syrup Tanker
2025 Summer Announcements:
- Origins James
- Red Coaches or Red Express Coaches
- Brake Van
For the N gauge 2024 Winter Announcements, I fully expect that Henry will be the next new engine. Based on how the range has been released thus far, I think Bachmann might have somewhat of a pattern that they're following. First, they released Thomas, Percy and James, as is normal for every merchandise line. Then, since James was still in development at the time, I think they chose Toby before Emily to have a simpler project for their 4th engine announcement, which helped them catch up after the pandemic. I think they chose Emily next because she is fairly popular in both HO and Large Scale, and she was the first female engine for the range. Afterwards, they went heavy with their announcement of Gordon, showing their commitment to this range, and to diversify it from their large scale offerings. Since they've still been working on these two, they announced Diesel and Paxton as new engine projects that are simple, and diversifies the range by bringing in diesels. Of course, Gordon and Emily still aren't out yet, but I think they could still announce Henry this month because he'll also be a relatively simple project for Bachmann; they only need to make a new bodyshell and tender for the Gordon chassis. As far as rolling stock goes, I'm genuinely suprised we've gone 5 years without any recolor announcements for freight stock, so I think Bachmann will change that with Henry's release; since he does pull freight. I think that doing the Red and Green Open Wagons makes sense, as they seem to be the most popular two 7-plank recolors. I also think that the Grey 12 Ton Van would make a great recolor as well, being a non-gimmicky version of the vans that got released this year. I think Bachmann doing recolors here would give them a chance to work on Henrietta and the Express Coaches without much distraction.
For the 2024 Summer Announcements, I could potentially see them announcing Edward, assuming Gordon's out and they can make good progress on Diesel and Paxton. Since they announced Duncan without showing a Sir Handel prototype, I'm not worried about if we haven't had much news on Henry by this time. However, I did also put Edward in the 2025 list if they do choose to focus on just Henry and the Diesels instead. I could also see them doing a new Tank Wagon tooling, since they never touched the ex-Graham Farish tooling again after the first tanker announcement. A new tooling would also match the rest of the range better. Since the Milk and Tar Tanks are also very popular in the other scales, I believe they would be the first variants with the new tooling.
For the 2025 Winter Announcements, if they have chosen not to announce Edward before, now would be the perfect time. It would be the 80th Anniversary of the Railway Series, and since Edward was the first to get a story, it would be a nice way to celebrate that. I also think that Bachmann would announce LBSC Thomas as the first recolored character, since he would pair nicely with Edward, and he's a good anniversary project. I think they would choose more recolors of existing stock to produce as easy projects, since they'd likely still be working on the new tankers. I could see them bringing the Christmas 12 Ton Van (as the first piece of Christmas stock ) and Mr. Jolly's Chocolate Van into the range (especially since the latter is already proving popular). I could also see them potentially announcing more variants of the new Tanker tooling, to whet our appetites even more. I think they would go with the Cream and Raspberry Syrup Tankers, as they've been made in the other scales.
Finally, for the 2025 Summer Announcements, I think they'd probably go smaller again, and I could see them producing Origins James, since he would also be a nice Anniversary gesture. I could also see them producing either the Red Branchline Coaches or Red Express Coaches, depending on if they're ready to take on a new coach tooling project on or not.
Large Scale2024 Winter:
- Edward
Even if nothing else is announced, I think the Large Scalers deserve to get a new engine tooling after not having much produced the last few years. Edward would likely have no problems getting around Bachmann's tight track radii, and he's also a popular character.
2024 Summer:
- Grey 12 Ton Van
- 12 Ton Circus Vans (Red & Blue)
I would be surprised if these van variants don't get announced at some point.
2025:
- LBSC Thomas
- Origins James
These would both make nice anniversary announcements, similar to N Scale.
Overall, that's my thoughts on what Bachmann might do for these upcoming announcements and beyond. Sorry I didn't go in depth on HO and Narrow Gauge, but I'm honestly not sure where Bachmann might go next with them (since there simultaneously seems to be a lot of options and few options, based on factors you guys have talked about before). I know this was a long post with a lot to read, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts!
Wow! I can't believe that it's time for the announcements again already. I love that we get two a year now.
I agree with everything you guys said. Christians predictions seem to me to be the most realistic.
HO
I can definitely see them bringing back Arry and Bert, hopefully with new faces too.
If they went crazy and did give us a new tooling for HO, my money would be on Whiff or even Harvey, I know he's an odd choice but I just have a feeling. But I can't wait for Stanley and even Rebecca.
For HO Stock we definitely need the tar tanker and ice cream van back. As for troublesome truck seven I would love something not as colorful, and a bit more reminiscent of the older series.
Also, I would love the China clay Trucks from season 2. I know they're an NG design. But still...
The Works unit coach would be an amazing introduction, but I would also love to see the breakdown crane. Either in its classic fashion, or even as Jerome and Judy. But I would prefer it to be classic.
Can you imagine seeing the classic breakdown crane in a blister pack? It would sell like crazy.
Long shot I know, but I would love to see the old coaches from season one.
N Scale
For N I think Henry is the obvious introduction. Along with the red coaches, a brake van, and probably Henry's log car.
The next engine I'd like to see in N scale is Edward. Or Duck if they go with a tank engine.
Large Scale
Ah the mystery of Large scale. G is expensive to produce and expensive to buy, so the range is always the most random.
Edward would be the most logical introduction, but I think to get a little money going it would be smarter for them to release the two sets of twins. Bill and Ben and Arry & Bert. Bill and Ben with Cell amazingly, and even though the two diesels are recolors, I think they would too. Bachmann could save a little money, only do one tool and make four new engines.
Other than that, it's possible we get origins James or 70th anniversary Thomas as mentioned.
For large scale rollingstock, I'd love to see some express coaches that that probably won't happen. Or a flat car. Something a little bigger than what we're used to.
Narrow Gauge
For the gauge that everybody thought would never happen, we are already pretty much at the end of the line when it comes to normal numbered engines. I would love to see Duke, but I don't think he's coming anytime soon. Maybe for a special occasion like the anniversary.
I don't think anymore engines will be announced this year unless they surprise us with someone like Smudger.
I also agree with Christian, some TV accurate slate vans would be very nice.
Guess we'll have to wait and see!!
Though the 2024 catalog may not be publicized for another month, but we should soon finally see N Scale Emily fully painted next month. Maybe we could also see HO Scale Rebecca fully painted within a few months. Don't know when they'll finally have the first unpainted sample of Sir Handel, but should hopefully be in a few months. Maybe the next stream will show N Scale Gordon in the package, showing he's soon to arrive in stock, and to be simultaneously released alongside HO Scale Beau.
I'm very anxious to see what is announced next month. There are a ton of things I hope to see announced, but I know it won't all come at once. So here's my wishlist for this year
HO scale engines:
Murdoch
Boco
Sidney
Stepney
Flying Scotsman (with smoke deflectors,with longer funnel and dome)
Wilbert
16
Derek
Nia
HO scale rolling stock:
Old coaches
Orange branch line coaches
Brown mail van (2 axels)
White mail van (topham circus)
Troublesome truck #7 (slate truck)
Bradford the brake van
Kipper vans
Topham circus open wagon
Tar wagon (reintroduced)
Ice cream van (reintroduced)
Flying Scotsman water tender (if they sold this separately, it would help not make the flying Scotsman so expensive like it would be if it was sold all together)
Circus flatbed
Rocky
Flatbed elephant wagon
Ho sets:
Breakdown train
Circus train set
Express set
Narrow gauge:
Duke
Smudger
Freddie
Mighty Mac
Narrow gauge rolling stock:
Gunpowder van
Green open coaches
Flatcar
Brown brake van
Tbh Bachmann is very much backlogged so I would be surprised if we got anything new molds this year.
Maybe 2024 can can just be a big re-release year. Here are some products they can rerelease.
Arry
Bert
M wagon
Tar tanker
Well wagon
Ice cream van
Cream tanker
Arry and Bert prob won't happen yet as Doug said salty in on hold .
•The m wagon could come back maybe with a rock load I doubt this would happen this year
•The tar tanker and cream tanker could come back at the same time .
•The wellwagon could come back with miniature engine load .
The ice cream van could be a LNER 12 ton van .
Now as for new products for HO
works unit coach or slip coaches
Troublesome truck 7
Maybe the breakdown train
Narrow gauge I feel we are gonna say goodbye to the L&B wagon which I don't want to happen but it's inevitable Hopefully they reuse the tooling , and make it into a standard gauge version from season 2 for n scale
However for new products Red and blue open top carriages are prob what we can expect
Trevor could also happen this year as they have started doing road vehicles again.
I'm very excited for the upcoming figure packs. Really hoping for more additions in the near future. Some ideas I've had:
"Sodor's Important People"
-Sir Robert Norramby
-The Duke and Duchess of Boxford
-Reverend Wilbert Awdry
-Reverend Teddy Boston
-Alicia Botti
-Mayor of Sodor
"Passengers"
-A variety of different passengers that were seen in the CGI series.
"Sodor's Brass Band"
-Self explanatory.
"Sailor John and Skiff"
-A figure and vehicle combo. Just an added bonus to help sell a Skiff model.
"Captain Joe and Railboat Tours Skiff"
-A simple repaint to help a new tooling for Skiff go further. Would compliment Daisy and Ryan nicely!
(I REALLY want Skiff)
"Construction Workers"
-A variety of construction workers (building the branch line SLOTLT)
Hoping we can get at least some of these, but I'm really hoping for a Sailor John and Skiff!
The catalogue should becoming out in about 2 weeks everyone get ready put your final predictions here
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on January 23, 2024, 03:48:40 PMThe catalogue should becoming out in about 2 weeks everyone get ready put your final predictions here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU3tTU55uO0
The catalog/announcements will be posted this weekend. :)
The 2024 catalog will be publicized this Friday, so it looks like our 2024 catalog announcements will be up sooner than we all realized.
Could we finally get HO Scale Sidney, or N Scale Henry? Those are my biggest hopes, along with N Scale rolling stock like non-troublesome variants of the open wagon tooling, including Red, Blue, and Coal Wagon w/ Load, or a generic brake van. For the 80th Anniversary next year, the N Scale range should get LBSC Thomas and Origin James.
Before the catalog launch tomorrow, I'm going to post not necessarily what I think will happen, but moreso what I'd like to see, and trying to keep expectations in check at the same time.
HO/OO:
'Arry & Bert reissue - reason I say them is because with Rebecca and possibly Stanley in production currently, Bachmann should play catch up on the two new toolings. Reissuing 'Arry & Bert, whose toolings still exist at the production factory, can get a jump. If changing the physical facial expression is too much for them, then here's my suggestion: give 'Arry no stubble on his chin and give it all to Bert. That would be an easy way for people to tell them apart without having to create entirely new face plates
Tar Tanker reissue - the Tar Tanker has been discontinued for at least 15 years. Since it appeared in CGI during Season 23, that'd be an easy way to bring back a fan favorite piece of rolling stock. Yes, there will also be TAR lettering decals on the front/back of the wagon, but since one of the tankers was like that all the way back in Season 1 (40 years ago, mind you!), it'd be a win-win
I personally think James and Gordon with DCC and sound would be fun to see, considering Thomas and Percy were announced two years ago and we've yet to hear anything on them, I'd understand why they wouldn't be too quick to announce James and Gordon just yet.
Narrow Gauge:
SKIP - With Sir Handel appearing to be in production, Duncan yet to have a price determined and two different new toolings for wagons also being worked on (both without prices as far as I know), I'd be okay with them skipping narrow gauge all together to play catch up, if you will.
N Scale:
Gordon set - Chaz brings up a good point here. The only issue I have is that we've yet to see what the Express Coaches look like, and they don't appear to have a price yet, as far as I know
Henry - pretty much explains himself. It'd be great to see him, but at the same time, I understand if they want to wait till August to announce him and focus on getting Gordon on the shelves and making some headway on Emily first
ORIGINAL Coal Wagon with Load and/or Red Open Wagon - now's the time where they can start having some fun with the 7 plank open wagon tooling! These two are favorites of mine that are (as far as I know) still doing well in HO/OO. They can bring back the blue, but considering it's been retired in that scale for a while, I can understand why they wouldn't
Track cleaning brake vans - HEAR ME OUT. The Graham Farish brake van tooling will look fine here, but considering that I know of a healthy amount of Thomas fans who've bought the HO/OO variants, I'm wondering if this should happen in N. Tooling would pretty much be there, and it'd be a fun way to have some normal looking brake vans in the range.
Large Scale
SKIP - maybe they can do one last hurrah and bring out Edward and Henrietta for 2025, the 80th anniversary as a grand finale to that range and keep it stagnant till the end of time
Not that well versed in LS, personally, so don't want to start spouting opinions as facts
...and that's all I got. All will be revealed sooner than we think...
Ok here is my final predictions for the announcements tommorow
G scale
Toad
HO scale
Arry
Bert
Troublesome truck 7
LNER 12 ton ice cream van
slip coach
Trevor
Narrow gauge
Open coach red
Open coach blue
V tipper wagon orange
V tipper wagon gray
N scale
Henry
Red brachline coaches
Museum coaches
Container wagons
Gordon express set
Thomas saves Santa's sleight
Tidmoth sheds
I was wrong. The announcements will be tomorrow. Not tonight. Hope we don't have to wait a few more weeks if it's strictly non-Thomas stuff.
I hope they'll be tomorrow if they don't drop at some point tonight, but I think last year, the video came out on January 28th, then we had to wait until February 3rd to see the Thomas Announcements. Either way, we should see them within the next couple of weeks!
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Actually, we might still be able to see the new Thomas Announcements tomorrow if anyone's going to the show. Or maybe they'll put the catalog online at the same time?
Ok I feel like we will see the catalog in full if that's the case or at least the new products for everything like they do at the NMRA. The never seen before samples makes me interested I feel like Sir Handel , narrow gauge rolling stock , and the figures could be seen here maybe even a painted Rebecca .
I don't use the forum much anymore but I do have a few thoughts I wanted to share.
I think this year we will get both Nia and an 08, Idk which one. I do not think we will get the iron twins just yet, their demand has just shot up again recently. So unlikely to happen immediately. Hopefully one would have a grumpy face, since the different weathering they have in CGI is not something Bachmann is likely to do. Idk if they would be in the same catalog but I am expecting both. Mirrors the Beau and Rebecca release, and since both are coming this year, this makes sense. For the same reason I'm expecting Charlie in 2025. Like Stanley serves as a smaller new tool between the complex bigger tools. Then probably Whiff the following year.
For rolling stock, tar tanker reintroduction, easy, makes sense, give it the cgi deco. A troublesome truck #7 using the new vans would be cool, but maybe give it a year between them before doing more vans. We'll see. I'd also like to see recolors of the Bradford type of brakevan. There's a bunch of liveries to justify a new mold + the character. Those are the only specific rolling stock predictions I have right now.
Road vehicles, Butch and Trevor this year hopefully. I could see both frankly. I want both anyway.
N scale: Henry, and some non-faceless 7 planks make the most sense. I have a bit of a pipedream we also get Edward this year to keep the theme of 2 engine per year going. Will that happen? Probably not but I can dream.
Narrow gauge: probably nothing major. Just the grey and brown recolors of the existing van types if anything.
Large Scale: Probably some of the newly announced vans making a jump. But I want to say my bold prediction. I think they are going to announce a new engine this year, and then a recolor next year. But they both release next year to tie into the anniversary. Just like Paxton and Diesel's dual announcement. Because of my prediction I doubt they would do Edward yet. (Plus, he's a bit riskier so they probably want another smaller engine to test the market.) While Rosie is the easier guess, two liveries and all. I'm going to propose something else. Mavis announced this year, and then green Thomas next year. A nice simple engine, plus an anniversary recolor. A smart pair in my opinion. The only reasons I think they might be against this is because they just did a black and green engine last time. So again, Rosie is safer, I think Mavis and green Thomas would be better in my opinion.
These are just my last-minute thoughts, feel free to disagree or share your thoughts as well. Hopefully the catalog gets uploaded digitally this weekend.
Well, Bachmann have responded to enquiries about the catalog. Looks like we won't know all of the announcements until February. I don't think they would put the Thomas announcements in the video tomorrow, because they haven't for the last few years.
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That's a bit disappointing. The full catalog isn't ready yet. We may not know any Thomas announcements for another week or two.
All we can hope is that unpainted samples of Sir Handel and Narrow Gauge rolling stock could be there, as well as fully painted samples of HO Scale Rebecca and N Scale Emily. It may be a while before we see unpainted samples of HO Scale Stanley, Duncan, N Scale Diesel or the Express Coaches, as those aren't even up for pre-order yet, nor do they have prices.
The video had nothing
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on January 27, 2024, 10:35:08 AMThe video had nothing
Video had nothing but there's a photo on x/twitter of N Scale Emily (fully painted)
It's great to finally see a painted sample of N scale Emily (and her coaches).
I saw a few pics of Bachmann's booth at the show, and once again Salty is nowhere to be seen. Doug said in November's Thomas Tuesday stream that Salty is on "indefinite hold." I remember seeing elsewhere that they were having issues with Salty's drivetrain, but it just doesn't make sense to me since it's a rerelease of an already existing tooling.
Just a bit concerning. Hope the rerelease is still on its way.
N Scale Henrietta was confirmed to have a face. With that, Hannah is possible in N Scale using the same tooling. If that was to happen, that will be Hannah's first ever piece of merchandise. Much needed rolling stock for N Scale are non-troublesome variants of the 7-Plank wagons, especially the Coal Wagon w/ Load. A generic brake van would very much be appreciated. We still don't know if N Scale Henry is coming yet, since we have to wait a little longer before the full catalog becomes available.
They still don't have HO Scale Rebecca fully painted yet, or an unpainted sample of the Open Carriage. Still no sign of Sir Handel either, or any of the Narrow Gauge rolling stock that's been left in the dust. They did announce Talyllyn coaches to go with HOn30 Scale Talyllyn. For HO Scale, the only rolling stock recolors that come to mind are the Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers, which are still exclusive to Large Scale, and Troublesome Truck #7, which can be a 12-Ton Van. The best new tooling for rolling stock would be the Works Unit Coach. For engines, we still have Rebecca and Stanley on the backburner, and the latter isn't even up for pre-order yet. If any new tooling, Whiff would be the best choice, since he's the last that has appeared in both model and CGI that doesn't feature gimmicks. For recolors, Sidney is the best choice, since he had been requested for many years. One thing holding him back is the eye mechanism, unless that can be fixed. One other choice to use Diesel's tooling is Fernando. Salty's reintroduction is still on hold, which doesn't make any sense.
It could be tommorow here is my last call
G scale
Toad
HO scale
Troublesome truck 7
ice cream van
Dexter the classroom coach
Trevor
Narrow gauge
Red open coach
Blue open coach
N scale
Henry
Red branchline coaches
Museum coaches
Sodor scrap wagon
Sodor coal wagon
Blue wagon with coal load
Gordon express set
I guess the catalog won't be available this week either. Looks like next Friday for sure.
I mean the catalog has been uploaded as late as 6 pm est before I wouldn't rule it out today just yet. It's also been uploaded on Saturday and Sunday's before it's not always a Friday thing. It'll happen whenever it's done I guess is the best way of putting it
I guess it will happen literally any day within the next week or so. So far, it's not looking like today either. Last week's video didn't show anything Thomas-related, with the closest thing being the Talyllyn coaches.
Turns out Walthers has the catalog up for purchase with an estimated date of the 14th. Since the catalog usually gets uploaded here before the physical is released, we should have it in the next 10 days at worst. Thomas Tuesday has yet to be announced for this month, I see two possibilities. They're still doing it this week but can't officially announce it unless the catalog goes live, or it's been pushed back waiting for the catalog to drop. Not sure which is more likely and I could be entirely off base but that should be useful. Hopefully it's uploaded soon so I can stop trying to predict when it'll drop lol.
I think at this point, if it's going to take them that long to upload the catalog PDF, a moderator should at the very least make a post now with the new Thomas announcements on these forums, like in the old days... Especially if they're not going to make the bi-annual announcement videos for Thomas anymore... I understand the latter is due to needing Mattel to approve any promotional material they create, but surely just posting a text list of new announcements here wouldn't require any licensor oversight? If Bachmann is willing to list all of their 'main line' releases in a video a month before releasing the catalog, then I'm sure it would be reasonable for them to just say what they're doing here so that we aren't left in suspense for weeks...
When they used to do the text lists, the items were usually announced between the 9th and 17th of February, depending on what day the Friday was. It was only around 2021 that they started revealing the announcements at the end of January. Either way, I think we'll probably see the new announcements on Friday the 9th or Friday the 16th at worst, so we don't have too long to wait now.
I am so tired of waiting can some mod just see this and tell me what we are getting thanks . I am hoping for Sunday which is tommorow if not we are gonna get them Tuesday if not we will have to wait till the weekend
We may be kept in suspense until next weekend at the latest. 2021 was the last time they posted the list of announcements in a special thread. Since then, it's been solely the catalog we get them from once available.
All of us have been waiting for weeks, and the suspense is killing me. The only exciting update we got recently was the painted reveal of N Scale Emily, and before that was the unpainted reveal of N Scale Henrietta. Still no Thomas Tuesday announcement for this month yet either.
For what it's worth, it seems Bachmann is reintroducing their Thomas starter set in large scale, the product number is different from that of the original (90068 was the original, this one is 90089).
https://www.walthers.com/thomas-w-annie-clarabel-160-90089
The price though is pretty steep, but I guess that's expected of large scale especially considering Walthers usually lists products with Bachmann's RRP and not have them around at a lower cost like other shops like Trainworld.
Couldn't find anything else while searching Walthers, so either the things that are getting announced this month still don't have a price yet, or maybe they want to take it slow this year and catch up on previously announced products (which I'm personally okay with if that's the case). It's anyone's guess at this point, honestly.
When you think about how much is still being worked on or not yet released
HO
Beau (fully painted)
Rebecca (sample ready)
Stanley
12 Ton vans
Open carriage
Bulgy
Sir Topham Hatt's car
Figure packs (sample ready)
009
Sir Handel
Duncan
Narrow Gauge Gondolas
Gunpowder vans
Narrow Gauge High-Side Wagons
N
Gordon (fully painted)
Emily (fully painted)
Diesel
Paxton
Henrietta (sample ready)
Express coaches
Emily's Coaches (fully painted)
I mean that's 9 individual items for N Scale outstanding, 16 for HO and 11 for 009
That's quite alot still being worked on.
I'm sure when the catalogue is announced there will be some new products. Maybe nothing groundbreaking but as I say there's alot on the way. Plus lately the February announcements are usually quite small and the bigger (new tooling) announcements are in the summer
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 04, 2024, 03:22:15 PMWhen you think about how much is still being worked on or not yet released
HO
Beau (fully painted)
Rebecca (sample ready)
Stanley
12 Ton vans
Open carriage
Bulgy
Sir Topham Hatt's car
Figure packs (sample ready)
009
Sir Handel
Duncan
Narrow Gauge Gondolas
Gunpowder vans
Narrow Gauge High-Side Wagons
N
Gordon (fully painted)
Emily (fully painted)
Diesel
Paxton
Henrietta (sample ready)
Express coaches
Emily's Coaches (fully painted)
I mean that's 9 individual items for N Scale outstanding, 16 for HO and 11 for 009
That's quite alot still being worked on.
I'm sure when the catalogue is announced there will be some new products. Maybe nothing groundbreaking but as I say there's alot on the way. Plus lately the February announcements are usually quite small and the bigger (new tooling) announcements are in the summer
I was going to do a list/inventory, but you saved me the trouble. Thanks, Mulfred!
Yes, that seems to be the case.
2019 we saw Red Rosie in February, then out of nowhere, we got Daisy and Peter Sam for that year's NMRA
2020 we saw Busy Bee James in February, and once it was pointed out that it should've been Origin James, Bachmann put things right at NMRA. It's a miracle we got anything announced that summer because pandemic. Meanwhile, N James is announced
2021 we saw Ryan and N Toby both in February. Large Scale finally got their Red Coaches announced at NMRA, which I imagine was a big deal for them
2022 Sir Handel is announced in February and while all had seemed lost for N Gordon when out of nowhere, he's announced for NMRA
2023 didn't have too much of anything in February, then for NMRA Stanley and N Diesel and Paxton are announced
I guess it's anyone's guess at this point. 2022 was the last time a big announcement came in February, but 2019 was the first year we got an exciting announcement at NMRA. All will be revealed soon...
So far, none of the current outstanding Narrow Gauge products have been physically shown yet, but Sir Handel, as well as the High-Side wagons and Gondolas, are up for pre-order with prices.
For HO Scale, Beau is the closest to being released since he's been fully painted for a while. Rebecca is still in the unpainted stage, as well as the figures. All other outstanding HO Scale products are up for pre-order at Trainworld, including those not physically shown yet, like Stanley. DCC Sound-Fitted Thomas and Percy as well as Salty's reintroduction have been on seemingly endless hold. The former two was due to the semiconductor shortage that went on following the pandemic.
As for N Scale, Gordon and Emily have both been shown fully painted, with the former having been for a while, and very close to release, while the latter was only recently shown, and may not arrive in stock until later this year. Emily's Coaches have also been shown fully painted for a while, and seem very close to release, while Henrietta was recently shown in the unpainted stage. Diesel and Paxton are already up for pre-order, but the Express Coaches are not, yet.
This Friday for sure, we should finally know what new products will be in the 2024 catalog.
TrainWorld announced that the February Thomas Tuesday will be next week, since there was a scheduling conflict for today. They didn't have a picture ad like they usually do, but they said it will come in the next couple of days. I think we'll probably know the new announcements by next Tuesday!
For HO rolling stock that would use existing toolings that were actually in the show, the Italian Blue Coaches can be made using the Red Coach toolings. Stephen's blue coach would require a new tooling. An-An and Yin-Long would be recycled from Annie and Clarabel's tooling, and if they were to be made, it would mean Bachmann would have to make Hong-Mei, who can recycle Rosie's chassis, but with a different siderod configuration. One international engine that would completely recycle an existing tooling is Fernando, but if they were to use Diesel's tooling again, we'd rather have Sidney first.
As questionable as Nia is, it's only a matter of time before Bachmann eventually does make her for HO Scale, given that she is still a main character, even in the reboot. Most would rather have Whiff instead, since he's the last engine to appear in both model and CGI to not feature gimmicks, and that no ready-to-run model of Aerolite exists. Philip would be a great choice for a simple new tooling since he's just a small box, and would be a cheaper model. Norman is certainly an honorable mention for a new tooling since even though he was a nothing character in the show, many fan-made stories shed light on him, and that no ready-to-run model of BR 11001 exists. The new tooling everyone wants most of all is Hiro, especially after Rebecca's announcement brought tender engines back into the picture for HO Scale. Although Hiro would inevitably be the most expensive model, but high prices didn't stop the Narrow Gauge range from selling.
Considering Stanley has no unpainted sample ready yet, I don't see a new HO Scale tooling being announced in the catalog. Rebecca's first painted sample will be shown in the next Thomas Tuesday stream, as it has just been teased. It may not be until summer before we get to see Stanley's unpainted sample. Hope it won't be too long before Bachmann gets an unpainted sample of N Scale Diesel.
Any of these engines could be the next new tooling for HO Scale:
-Nia
-Whiff
-Philip
-Norman
-Hiro
-Hong-Mei (chassis recycled with some modification to siderods; don't really see her happening unless they make An-An and Yin-Long)
-Sonny (has a rather complicated siderod configuration, but could be doable, and no model of his basis exists)
-Porter (has rather problematic scaling)
The best choices for HO Scale recolors are Sidney and Fernando because Mainland Diesels and Green Salty are rather too niche.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on February 06, 2024, 09:43:32 PMFor HO rolling stock that would use existing toolings that were actually in the show, the Italian Blue Coaches can be made using the Red Coach toolings. Stephen's blue coach would require a new tooling. An-An and Yin-Long would be recycled from Annie and Clarabel's tooling, and if they were to be made, it would mean Bachmann would have to make Hong-Mei, who can recycle Rosie's chassis, but with a different siderod configuration. One international engine that would completely recycle an existing tooling is Fernando, but if they were to use Diesel's tooling again, we'd rather have Sidney first.
As questionable as Nia is, it's only a matter of time before Bachmann eventually does make her for HO Scale, given that she is still a main character, even in the reboot. Most would rather have Whiff instead, since he's the last engine to appear in both model and CGI to not feature gimmicks, and that no ready-to-run model of Aerolite exists. Philip would be a great choice for a simple new tooling since he's just a small box, and would be a cheaper model. Norman is certainly an honorable mention for a new tooling since even though he was a nothing character in the show, many fan-made stories shed light on him, and that no ready-to-run model of BR 11001 exists. The new tooling everyone wants most of all is Hiro, especially after Rebecca's announcement brought tender engines back into the picture for HO Scale. Although Hiro would inevitably be the most expensive model, but high prices didn't stop the Narrow Gauge range from selling.
Considering Stanley has no unpainted sample ready yet, I don't see a new HO Scale tooling being announced in the catalog. Rebecca's first painted sample will be shown in the next Thomas Tuesday stream, as it has just been teased. It may not be until summer before we get to see Stanley's unpainted sample. Hope it won't be too long before Bachmann gets an unpainted sample of N Scale Diesel.
Any of these engines could be the next new tooling for HO Scale:
-Nia
-Whiff
-Philip
-Norman
-Hiro
-Hong-Mei (chassis recycled with some modification to siderods; don't really see her happening unless they make An-An and Yin-Long)
-Sonny (has a rather complicated siderod configuration, but could be doable, and no model of his basis exists)
-Porter (has rather problematic scaling)
The best choices for HO Scale recolors are Sidney and Fernando because Mainland Diesels and Green Salty are rather too niche.
I would also like to see these characters, particularly Sonny. As stated above an argument can be made for Whiff, Norman and Sonny that no current regular non-Thomas models of their real-life prototypes:
NER 66 Aerolite for Whiff,
British Rail 11001 for Norman
Haydock Foundry well-tank locomotives like Bellorophon for Sonny.
Thus this could also appeal to non-Thomas Modelers who would wish to convert the Bachmann Thomas engines into their basis.
An additional argument can be made against Mattel's CGI mandate with that in that Norman could easily be recolored into Dennis if Norman ever happens and the CGI mandate is hopefully lifted. Indeed, all it would take would be a potentially recolored Norman mold with a new face. This could also apply to a potential Splatter and Dodge, as all they would need would be a repainted 'Arry and Bert Shell, with one face they could both use, as the two of them are always seen in together wearing identical expressions to the other. This could be an easy way to get new characters out cheaply and quickly, and can be used to potentially demonstrate to Mattel that the CGI Mandate is clogging up potential and easy to make products.
A similar argument can be made for a potential Arthur, Murdoch, Derek, and the Class 40 Diesel, considering that Bachmann already has models of these characters basis in their UK Range:
LMS Ivatt Class 2 2-6-2T for Arthur
BR Standard Class 9F for Murdoch
British Rail Class 17 for Derek
British Rail Class 40 for Class 40
Given that Bachmann is making Beau, a rather minor character, out of their already existing tooling, another argument can be made that the CGI mandate is clogging up potential easy to make products that would indeed be popular fan choices.
It regards to Rolling stock, given the Toby's Museum Composite and Brake Coaches were released, I would like to see the Gordon's Special Composite and Brake coaches from Season 10. All they would have to do would be recolor their Current Gordon's Composite and Brake Express Coaches, and they would have easy products, like the Toby's Museum Coaches. I would hope they would release both Composite and Brake versions of the coaches for more variety and thus more product, preferably with the connecting corridor still in so they could look like they could "connect" and integrate seamlessly to Gordon's already existing Express Coaches.
Given that Bachmann made the Toby's Museum Coaches based on SodorRyModeler's photoshopped Red Coaches into Toby's Museum Coaches, maybe someone could photoshop some Gordon's Composite and Brake Coaches into Gordon's Special Composite and Brake Coaches to give Bachmann an inspiration?
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/f/f8/Gordon%27sSpecialCoaches.png/revision/latest?cb=20190121070536
I do think that the mandate should be lifted soon because all engines go has taken over so CGI is not even current . It seems Thomas Tuesday has been delayed I wonder if Bachmann even knows what the new Thomas stuff is gonna be this year they prob made the decision later than usual . It could also be troubles with Mattel approval and such maybe it's the CGI only mandate lift that causing it to take long who knows but I do think there is something going on as it caused Thomas Tuesday to be delayed
It really doesn't make sense that the CGI mandate ONLY applies to engines. Mattel is okay with Bachmann making model series rolling stock, but not engines, which is what's holding them back from making characters like Smudger, Splatter and Dodge, who would otherwise easily be made from existing toolings. They were one-off characters, but so is Beau, and Bachmann made him because they had his tooling. Mattel only let Bachmann make Beau because he was a CGI character; from Big World Big Adventures. Unless the CGI mandate gets lifted, the only characters who are still possible to use Diesel's tooling are Sidney and Fernando.
The fact that Doug Blaine deconfirmed Stepney a while back proved the CGI mandate was real, which is the same thing holding them back from making BoCo. Bachmann UK has the toolings for Arthur, Murdoch, Derek and Class 40, but we may never get them all because they never officially appeared in CGI... Although BoCo has a fan-made CGI render, it's not enough to convince Mattel...
Of note that Doug Blaine said they specifically can't reuse the Hudsons for Connor due to face/eye mech issues on Thomas tueaday. Beau was a case of special permissions. While it's not impossible that could be granted again, we shouldn't assume it will be. So even if the model series rule gets lifted, I don't think that makes them likely to reuse bachmann UK toolings for those characters. Especially since they seem stricter on using reference pictures now, those UK toolings would have more detail than most model series characters.
I'm also a big fan of Sonny and would love to see him. However, KR models is making his basis already. They're even considering giving said model a fictious blue livery (which I will buy if they do.)
So how well would Sonny really do considering that market for modelling said engine has already been filled? Seems hard to justify the tooling costs, but I would love to be proven wrong.
I too would love to see a Bachmann Sonny, given how unique his paint scheme and design is. He too would be a great choice for another new tooling in HO Scale. He, along with Nia, Whiff, Norman, Philip and Hiro are among the best choices for new toolings. Like I said about Philip, his tooling would most likely be the easiest and cheapest to make, given that he is a small box. If Bachmann is looking for the simplest new tooling in HO Scale, Philip is the way to go. Hiro is by far the most wanted, since Rebecca marked the return of tender engines in HO Scale. Hiro was one of the first, and most likeable characters to have originated from the CGI series.
Speaking of Rebecca, since her fully painted sample was teased, and will be shown in the next Thomas Tuesday stream, maybe we will see the next new tooling for HO Scale. If not in the 2024 catalog, then maybe the NMRA for sure. By summer, they should have Stanley's unpainted sample ready. Maybe even the Open Carriage and 12-Ton Vans, as well as those Narrow Gauge High-Side wagons and Gondolas. The latter two should have had some progress by now. It shouldn't be too much longer before Bachmann finally shows the unpainted sample of Sir Handel, and N Scale Diesel. In the next stream, Doug might also show us N Scale Gordon in the package, showing he is soon to arrive in stock. For Diesel, Bachmann just simply has to scale down his HO Scale model to work in N Scale. With no eye mechanism to worry about, Paxton's face will look perfect, which had been a turn-off by many on his HO Scale model.
The next new tooling for N Scale has to be Henry, then Edward, then after that, other good choices would be Duck, Oliver and Mavis. Henry wouldn't 100% be a new tooling since his chassis would easily be recycled from Gordon, minus trailing wheels, and his body shape is very similar to Gordon, though his tender is a Stanier instead of a Fowler. Mavis would recycle Toby's chassis, which is also the same as Thomas', and her N Scale model would be the first to actually have siderods. Duck because of his rivalry with Diesel in the earlier seasons of the show, and Oliver because we have Toad. I personally would like to see Ryan and Daisy in N Scale too, though it will be a good while before they're even considered, since they're the most recent models in HO Scale. One other character to recycle Gordon's chassis is Spencer, who has a streamlined body shape, and an even boxier tender with extra wheels. After Henry, the next 'big' engine for N Scale would have to be Spencer.
The CGI engines only mandate just seems silly due to how Thomas and Friends was rebooted.
Quote from: JLK2707 on February 08, 2024, 03:41:30 AMThe CGI engines only mandate just seems silly due to how Thomas and Friends was rebooted.
Exactly. I think we may see the end of that as the years go by, especially with the 80th anniversary coming up.
Tomorrow for sure, we should finally get the 2024 catalog.
Sadly no I check ever day now
I have a feeling it may be more towards the middle of the month. I could be wrong though. There seems to be something that caused a slight delay.
So, yet another week of suspense? Bachmann HAS to get to it eventually...
Bachmann has already said days ago it would drop mid February. Most likely on the 14th alongside the physical that's releasing that day. Unless Doug wants to be based and do a surprise reveal on the 12th, it's unlikely to be discussed at all on Thomas tuesday other than a date confirmation
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 09, 2024, 12:13:33 PMWell on that subject of Doug and Thomas Tuesday, as of right now there's not been an announcement for a Thomas Tuesday on the 13th. It could very well be on 20th or 27th. Especially if they are holding off to go through the new announcements. At this point people are just jumping to the conclusions without waiting for offical announcements from Bachmann and Trainworld. All that was shown in the "teaser" was Rebecca's NWR and the word soon. In fact Rebecca might be the very thing thats holding the catalogue up if they are wanting her sample model shown in the catalogue as shes now at that stage of production. We'll find out at some point between now and the 28th. ;D
Just have some patience.
No, Thomas Tuesday has already been confirmed for next week on the trainworld twitter account. As was by Christian in my dms when I asked if it would be this week or not.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on February 09, 2024, 12:25:43 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on February 09, 2024, 12:13:33 PMWell on that subject of Doug and Thomas Tuesday, as of right now there's not been an announcement for a Thomas Tuesday on the 13th. It could very well be on 20th or 27th. Especially if they are holding off to go through the new announcements. At this point people are just jumping to the conclusions without waiting for offical announcements from Bachmann and Trainworld. All that was shown in the "teaser" was Rebecca's NWR and the word soon. In fact Rebecca might be the very thing thats holding the catalogue up if they are wanting her sample model shown in the catalogue as shes now at that stage of production. We'll find out at some point between now and the 28th. ;D
Just have some patience.
No, Thomas Tuesday has already been confirmed for next week on the trainworld twitter account. As was by Christian in my dms when I asked if it would be this week or not.
Hadn't seen that, deleted original message however the point about Rebecca still stands as a possibility as to catalogue now she's been painted, Bachmann might be trying to get her and possibly/probably other items in the catalogue so it's as up to date as possible before going live. We'll get it when it's ready. Patience
Yeah Valentine's Day will be there release of it shame but whatever
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on February 09, 2024, 11:54:19 AMBachmann has already said days ago it would drop mid February. Most likely on the 14th alongside the physical that's releasing that day. Unless Doug wants to be based and do a surprise reveal on the 12th, it's unlikely to be discussed at all on Thomas tuesday other than a date confirmation
No mention of the new stuff on the ad for Thomas Tuesday
One thing we do know is that we are getting a Thomas Tuesday stream tomorrow, which the big reveal will be HO Scale Rebecca fully painted. It's not likely that we're going to hear anything new from the catalog apart from a date confirmation. At the latest, we should finally have the catalog this Friday.
Hope we hear updates on Stanley, Sir Handel, Narrow Gauge Gondolas and N Scale Diesel, with progress made on those.
Ok 2024 will be a catch up year prob not much we will get .aside from maybe a road vehicle ,1 or 2 HO wagon, the large scale set and maybe N scale Gordon set . Are all we can expect.
Wouldn't count on the Gordon set just yet. They only announced the Emily a year after both announcements so feel like it'll be saved for 2025
So the stream only showed the unpainted N Scale Henrietta and fully painted N Scale Emily, which were previously revealed, but for some reason, Doug didn't show the painted sample HO Scale Rebecca, when it was teased a week ago! Why wasn't Rebecca shown, despite the painted sample being there? That doesn't make sense, and it was a bit disappointing.
In the stream, Doug commented that this year really is going to be the catch-up year for Bachmann, so I probably wouldn't count on much happening in the catalog this year. We're at least getting a large scale Thomas set reintroduction, which is something. As I said earlier, I'm personally okay with them catching up on getting more previously announced projects released first before announcing even more projects.
If anything, I'm more willing to bet that (apart from an N scale Henry announcement at the NMRA this summer), any other announcement this year will probably be either some rolling stock announcements in HO, N and possibly large scale. Then in 2025, during the brand's 80th anniversary, I'd be a lot more willing to bet we will see a higher number of new announcements by then. The only reason why I'm still confident in an N Henry announcement this summer is because it seems fairly likely that N scale Gordon will be out fairly soon and Henry seems like the perfect follow-up to Gordon. After that, Bachmann can then save an N scale Edward announcement for 2025 for the anniversary once Emily gets released, which will hopefully be by the end of this year.
Either way, 2024 being a light year for newly announced products is probably in Bachmann's best interest this year anyway. They announced a lot of projects over the last two years or so with most of them still not being out yet, (or three if you want to include the DCC and sound Thomas and Percy models (which is in its own muddle due to the semiconductor shortage)). So if it means getting those out or allowing us to have more updates on previously announced projects (Sir Handel in particular), then I'm all for this year being the catch-up year for Bachmann.
I'm all for a catch up year for Bachmann. As I said before there's so many items at various stages of production that haven't been completed or even teased with samples yet, especially 009 engines and rolling stock. I'd much rather the backlog be cleared before new things are announced. As for Rebecca not being shown. It was never advertised she would be shown. All posts I've seen were saying N Scale Emily and Henrietta. The post Bachmann put out simply said Soon... it could be that her tender is fully painted but her main body isn't, there could be paint errors that need fixing, she might be fully painted but they wanted to show her in the catalogue first and in March she'll be shown on a stream. I'm just grateful that she's on her way and Bachmann are working hard on her and the other products. N Scale Emily and Henrietta both look amazing. I'm still blown away by how much detail they can put into N Scale models which showcases more as the range continues to evolve and grow.
I shouldn't be surprised if the 2024 catalog doesn't show many new Thomas products. There's still many other products that haven't even been teased with samples yet, especially for Narrow Gauge. It's already been two years without a physical sample of Sir Handel. Bachmann desperately needs to catch up on those products. They've fallen way behind.
I believe Doug has made this comment of a catchup year for either 2022 or 2023 before. (I do not recall which, perhaps both.) so really what this tells me is that it'll follow the same pattern the announcements have for the past 2 years now. Smaller more complimentary to already announced stuff to be in the Spring catalog, and the big announcements saved for NMRA. Since the NMRA announcements are typically slated for the following years. My predictions don't change much actually. Although now think we'll only get a 08 (hopefully Sidney) this year instead of both one and Nia. Nia next year for sure though. I still think it's possible we get both Henry and Edward announced this year for N but I'm not as confident in that now, I'll keep believing until August because I am insane. As for my G scale prediction I'm still confident they'll announce a new engine this year but more likely save that for the NMRA catalog, if they prove me wrong and do it in the spring catalog even better. We shall see. We need a substantial g scale announcement though since the museum coaches are coming out shortly and the comeback of the Thomas set is not substantial enough of a new product for the pipeline.
If this year having no new Thomas products is the case, then I'm all for it. Mulfred kindly took time a few posts back of making a detailed list of everything Bachmann has in the works right now (thanks again, mate!). To boil it down even further, we have a whopping total of 36 products, that begin dating back two years following their announcement(s) and 19 new toolings spreading across three different scales. Not to mention the HO DCC and Sound Thomas & Percy models and the Salty reissue, that's been delayed again, much longer than intended. They need to catch up this year, especially with expectations of products for the 80th anniversary next year.
Hopefully we will get something for the Thomas range this year.
I spotted Knapford Station on a Bachmann facebook post earlier this week, now they posted another where it is rather predominant...
Hi Thomas,
The Knapford Station you saw is part of the Island of Sodor operating layout we have on display at shows. We don't have immediate plans to reintroduce it at this time.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on February 09, 2024, 11:54:19 AMBachmann has already said days ago it would drop mid February. Most likely on the 14th alongside the physical that's releasing that day. Unless Doug wants to be based and do a surprise reveal on the 12th, it's unlikely to be discussed at all on Thomas tuesday other than a date confirmation
Uhhhh...
Quote from: TrainFan97 on February 16, 2024, 04:03:23 PMQuote from: DustyMarie53! on February 09, 2024, 11:54:19 AMBachmann has already said days ago it would drop mid February. Most likely on the 14th alongside the physical that's releasing that day. Unless Doug wants to be based and do a surprise reveal on the 12th, it's unlikely to be discussed at all on Thomas tuesday other than a date confirmation
Uhhhh...
Doug said on Thomas Tuesday that the catalog would drop anywhere from around 10 days to 2 weeks from that day. No clue what's taking so long but it's clear the comments they made on the NMRA video were outdated. Obviously had no way of knowing that but that's how it be.
It's definitely taking longer than usual for the catalog to publicize. Even Doug himself didn't know the exact day and time.
Bachmann, just post the announcements already. They hadn't done that since 2021. The catalog has to be there by the end of the month.
Bachmann is on break till the 21st I feel like it may drop around Feb 22,23,24, or the 25 .
I think Wellsworth Sheds and Vicarstown Sheds would be nice. I think Narrow Gauge Engine Sets would be cool.
The catalog shall be up any day. Something is really holding Bachmann up this time. This will be the latest it's ever been. New record. The fact that even Doug himself didn't know the exact day and time really shows. What's with the seemingly endless wait for the catalog? We're less than a week away from March.
So I'm guessing this weekend for the catalog?
Lol I can't believe there's only six days left in February. :o
Nope. Maybe 2 days from now . It's a leap year this year .
It's really not your place to post that man.
Seeing as you leaked the announcements back in 2021 I would think you'd be more careful.
Unless of course you simply don't care.
Quote from: thomasj219 on February 26, 2024, 05:31:34 PMIt's really not your place to post that man.
Seeing as you leaked the announcements back in 2021 I would think you'd be more careful.
Unless of course you simply don't care.
He doesn't care. He got banned the other day for ranting about other shops doing preorders, yet he unapologetically leaks announcements before Bachmann does themselves? If that's not hypocritical then I don't know what is.
You absolutely did brother. And as a retailer I would think carefully about your immature and flippant attitude.
Quote from: tootallyt on February 26, 2024, 05:35:40 PMThey are in the public domain if you know where to look so i havent leaked anything
While we knew about the G scale Thomas set and Talyllyn coaches, the slate wagons were not public. You leaked that bit of information out to the public. Admit you went with premature information without Bachmann's consent and please move on already. We are all tired of your pompous attitude, and not just on here but in all the various Facebook groups/pages you comment on too.
Bachmann said the catalog would drop mid-February, but they were wrong... It may have been delayed to March, and I have no idea why... Their silence is deafening...
Quote from: TrainFan97 on February 27, 2024, 11:14:14 AMBachmann said the catalog would drop mid-February, but they were wrong... It may have been delayed to March, and I have no idea why... Their silence is deafening...
Any number of reasons as I've said in previous posts. We'll get it when we get it. Clearly Bachmann need time to work on it for whatever the reasons are. As I said before they could be trying to get as many products that have newly painted samples ready into the catalogue as they can, it could be a problem with the printing and they don't want to put up the digital until the physical is ready. Constantly saying the Catalogue isn't helping. I know everyone is eager to see it but please be patient, it's not the end of the world and we already know Bachmann have stated this year will be catch up. Until the catalogue is published I'm firmly sticking to my position of we aren't getting anything new... yet.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 27, 2024, 12:10:53 PMQuote from: TrainFan97 on February 27, 2024, 11:14:14 AMBachmann said the catalog would drop mid-February, but they were wrong... It may have been delayed to March, and I have no idea why... Their silence is deafening...
Any number of reasons as I've said in previous posts. We'll get it when we get it. Clearly Bachmann need time to work on it for whatever the reasons are. As I said before they could be trying to get as many products that have newly painted samples ready into the catalogue as they can, it could be a problem with the printing and they don't want to put up the digital until the physical is ready. Constantly saying the Catalogue isn't helping. I know everyone is eager to see it but please be patient, it's not the end of the world and we already know Bachmann have stated this year will be catch up. Until the catalogue is published I'm firmly sticking to my position of we aren't getting anything new... yet. Catalogue could drop today, tomorrow, next week, who knows but agonising over it isn't going to speed things along
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 27, 2024, 12:10:53 PMQuote from: TrainFan97 on February 27, 2024, 11:14:14 AMBachmann said the catalog would drop mid-February, but they were wrong... It may have been delayed to March, and I have no idea why... Their silence is deafening...
Any number of reasons as I've said in previous posts. We'll get it when we get it. Clearly Bachmann need time to work on it for whatever the reasons are. As I said before they could be trying to get as many products that have newly painted samples ready into the catalogue as they can, it could be a problem with the printing and they don't want to put up the digital until the physical is ready. Constantly saying the Catalogue isn't helping. I know everyone is eager to see it but please be patient, it's not the end of the world and we already know Bachmann have stated this year will be catch up. Until the catalogue is published I'm firmly sticking to my position of we aren't getting anything new... yet.
I agree with this sentiment, but I wish they'd be more honest about what's going on. Just say this instead of leaving us in the dark. Bachmann said it was coming Mid-February, then Doug later says it is delayed to anywhere from 10 days to 2 weeks after that Thomas Tuesday stream. The end of that two-week period is today (unless he meant business days I guess.) This is all fine but with no other update in sight and walthers outright saying no info from vendor on the catalog order page I'm wondering what is going on.
I'd be less impatient if they'd just give a clear answer. A "hey. We're trying to get a bunch of samples in, and this is taking longer than we thought. The catalog will be out when that's done. We can't give an estimate" would suffice. No more leaving people in the dark, it's not just Thomas Fans asking about the catalog either after all. It's not the end of the world but it's reeking of unprofessionalism, which feels too harsh to say but I don't really have a better word choice.
nvm it literally dropped as I sent that you can ignore me. I still stand by my points though I wish the communication was better
Speak of the devil, the 2024 catalog did drop today, just as I was starting to think it got delayed to March.
Anyway, there was hardly anything new in terms of Thomas products. Just some repaints of the Narrow Gauge Slate Wagons, and the return of the Large Scale Thomas set. Still no N Scale Henry, most likely because they're still getting Gordon and Emily out there, and they're still working on Diesel and Paxton. NMRA for sure, they can announce N Scale Henry.
I had a feeling this year's announcements would be an all-time small. Because there's so many other products that still have yet to be shown in the unpainted stage. including HO Scale Stanley, Open Carriage and 12-Ton Vans, N Scale Diesel/Paxton and Express Coaches, Narrow Gauge Sir Handel, Duncan, High-Side Wagons, Gondolas and Gunpowder Wagons. This is definitely going to be a catch-up year for Bachmann. So many products they've fallen behind, especially for Narrow Gauge.
I want to say I'm surprised that the announcements in the catalog this year are minimal, or almost non-existent, but I'm actually not. It's been emphasized here a few times earlier by myself, as well as other members on the forum and even from Doug on the Trainworld stream that they're behind on several projects as it is, so taking a breather for the time being is probably wise.
That being said, it's nice seeing that the large scale Thomas set is officially making its reintroduction with the Thomas model coming with DCC and sound. I'll admit, that was a very nice surprise. Killing two birds with one stone in terms of reintroductions by making a new product out of it. If there was any range that got a new announcement this year, I'm genuinely glad it's the large scale range. That range has been getting the short end of the stick as of late, how about getting Henrietta out now Bachmann?
The slate wagons were obvious if they were going to do anything for narrow gauge. I like how they are going for different colors, though I'm personally not crazy about the red one. While I don't mind the slate wagons I would have preferred if they had given the N scale range different wagon repaints instead, but that's just me.
I'm under the impression that based on what was on display at the Amherst show (barring the N scale Emily) that we will most likely get Beau, the large scale museum coaches, N scale Gordon and Emily's coaches out first before we get more new product announcements. I could see the N scale Emily getting released closer to the end of the year, and possibly Rebecca and Salty too depending on how production goes for those two. Either way, if it means that the only announcements in the summer will only be N scale Henry and some rolling stock announcements in HO and N scale then so be it. As I said earlier, if it means Bachmann can focus more on previously announced projects then I'm all for the winter announcements being minimal. Here's hoping the next big reveal will be an unpainted sample of Sir Handel and the other narrow gauge rolling stock.
The only items that are taken out this year are the lobster vans, the McColl figure and the Brendam Bay Conflat. The McColl one is kinda surprising as he was the last large human figure made and the only one that is based on the CGI looks. Also the Brendam Bay Conflat as that was only released just the start of the 2020s, and one of the few that only lasted a few years. I'm gonna buy more of those before they're gone.
The Slate Wagon repaints already have images. Those got done quickly because their tooling already existed. The March Thomas Tuesday for sure should reveal HO Scale Rebecca fully painted. After that, the NEXT big reveal from Bachmann has to be unpainted Sir Handel. There's already three rolling stock toolings for Narrow Gauge that have yet to be shown in the unpainted stage. This year, they should be finally shown. Doug has to confirm if any progress has been made on those, especially the High-Side Wagons and Gondolas. The Gunpowder Wagons were just announced back in August.
No new toolings announced whatsoever, so Bachmann can really catch up on them, instead of letting them pile up even further. Before we see N Scale Henry announced, Bachmann is at least trying to get Gordon and Emily out there first, with good progress on Diesel/Paxton. Before HO Scale gets anything else, they're trying to get Beau and Rebecca out there as well, with Stanley on the backburner.
The NMRA for sure should announce N Scale Henry, and if they want more Diesel repaints, 'Arry and Bert could be made in N Scale (with Bert having much more noticeable stubble than 'Arry) or Sidney, who could be the first character in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale. Sidney would be an easy one for N Scale, since there's no eye mechanism to worry about. The 2025 catalog should have N Scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James for the 80th Anniversary.
How ironic the catalog released the same day as Pokémon Day, and seems to be getting a similar response to Pokémon's no new games in 2024.
I'm glad to see we Thomas fans would rather Bachmann take their time and produce high quality items than slap together half baked models with poor motors and/or inaccuracies.
I'm not remotely upset about these announcements but I feel like the choice of the slate wagons is, not the correct one. Even if these have a quick turn around time it's taking development away from the already in development hell that is the other rolling stock. I feel open wagons in N or anything in G would have been the better filler rolling stock picks. Not that the slate wagons are bad, just a weird choice in my opinion.
I'm also a bit bummed that Brendam bay conflat is gone already. It was the best of the three and hasn't been out for that long. Is a shame to see it go.
As of right now the only things slated for this year are the museum coaches in March, Gordon, Beau, and Tallylyn in May, and in late 2024 Emily and her coaches, Rebecca, the HO figures, and Sir Handel. Idk if I even truly believe all of these products will be out this year, but the lack of new reveals makes me hopeful. Hopefully we get even more than just them.
To be honest, we can't even be bothered by these announcements. Look at this list of stuff in the works. This is like four years of announcements if we were back in the 2010's. There are so many items coming out that we have yet to see, we can't expect more announcements.
Still in the works
Ho:
Salty (re-introduced)
Beau
Rebecca
Stanley
Open Wagon-Blue
12 Ton Van
Circus Van 1
Circus Van 2
Christmas Van
N Scale:
Emily
Gordon
Paxton
Diesel
Gordon's Coaches
Gordon's Brake Coach
Henrietta
Emily's Coach
Emily's Brake Coach
Emily's Passenger Set
Narrow Gauge:
Sir Handle
Duncan
Slate Wagon 1
Slate Wagon 2
Slate Wagon 3
High Side Wagons
Gondolas
Gunpowder Van
Accessories:
STH's Car
Bulgy
Character Packs 1-6
Personally if they had to announce a new item, I think just bringing back the tar tankers would've been a good idea or how about making a troublesome truck number seven using the LNER 12 ton mold they are introducing.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on February 27, 2024, 01:19:04 PMI agree with this sentiment, but I wish they'd be more honest about what's going on.
Not being dishonest. Traditionally the catalog was made available for the New York Toy Fair in February and given to distributers and retailers first. There was no show this year, so there was no "Official Release Date" this year.
So now Bachmann comes out and explains why the catalog was so late, but at least it's here. Although I would've loved to see N Scale Henry, which has been asked for a good few years since Gordon was announced, maybe he'll be in the NMRA for sure, especially once N Scale Gordon is officially out there, with Emily possibly arriving in stock later this year. Plus, Diesel and Paxton are still on the backburner, but recolors like Sidney, 'Arry and Bert could easily be made with that tooling. Speaking of recolors, the 2025 catalog needs to have N Scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James for the 80th Anniversary, and for a new tooling, N Scale Edward could also possibly get announced with them. Next year's announcements might be much bigger, especially once Bachmann catches up with a bunch of other previously-announced products.
At least I'm understanding why the announcements were so underwhelming. There's so many other previously-announced products that haven't even been shown unpainted samples yet.
HO Scale:
Beau (fully painted)
Rebecca (fully painted)
Stanley
Open Carriage
12-Ton Vans
Salty Reintroduction (on hold)
DCC Sound Thomas (on hold)
DCC Sound Percy (on hold)
HO Scale Accessories:
Figure Packs (unpainted)
Sir Topham Hatt's Car
Bulgy
Narrow Gauge:
Sir Handel
Duncan
High-Side Wagons
Gondolas
Gunpowder Wagons
N Scale:
Gordon (fully painted)
Emily (fully painted)
Emily's Coaches (fully painted)
Henrietta (unpainted)
Diesel
Paxton
Express Coaches
That's a lot of catching up. Hope we see plenty of new unpainted samples this year.
As soon as I saw that the gray flatbed with Brendam crate was going to be discontinued, I ordered it from Amazon immediately today.
Thomas Tuesday is back this week, including new look at Terencethetractor525's new N Scale layout. Catalogue flip through. First look at Sir Topham Hatts car. No mention of Rebecca so guessing she isn't fully ready yet, after all, all we've seen is her tender with NWR. Looking forward to seeing how Terence's layout has progressed
So, there's one new mold in, with plenty more still to come. If Rebecca won't be shown this month either, then it must mean she's not fully ready yet, since only part of her tender was shown a month ago. The big reveal this month will be the first, unpainted look at Sir Topham Hatt's Car.
Complete list of other products and toolings that still haven't been seen unpainted yet:
HO Scale
Stanley
Open Carriage
12-Ton Van
Bulgy
Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Duncan
High-Side Wagon
Gondola
Gunpowder Wagon
N Scale
Diesel/Paxton
Express Coaches
I hope MOST of these products get shown by the end of the year. Especially the Narrow Gauge rolling stock and Sir Handel. Doug needs to give us an update on those products. Possibly during summer, we should see unpainted samples of HO Scale Stanley and N Scale Diesel. I feel the latter will be revealed sooner than summer.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on March 02, 2024, 11:54:55 AMSo, there's one new mold in, with plenty more still to come. If Rebecca won't be shown this month either, then it must mean she's not fully ready yet, since only part of her tender was shown a month ago. The big reveal this month will be the first, unpainted look at Sir Topham Hatt's Car.
Complete list of other products and toolings that still haven't been seen unpainted yet:
HO Scale
Stanley
Open Carriage
12-Ton Van
Bulgy
Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Duncan
High-Side Wagon
Gondola
Gunpowder Wagon
N Scale
Diesel/Paxton
Express Coaches
I hope MOST of these products get shown by the end of the year. Especially the Narrow Gauge rolling stock and Sir Handel. Doug needs to give us an update on those products. Possibly during summer, we should see unpainted samples of HO Scale Stanley and N Scale Diesel. I feel the latter will be revealed sooner than summer.
I really wish I hadn't bothered posting that list now because every single post is going to be updating that list. Honestly you don't need to constantly update it. That's the third time it's been updated on this page alone
Quote from: Mulfred100 on March 02, 2024, 12:21:15 PMQuote from: TrainFan97 on March 02, 2024, 11:54:55 AMSo, there's one new mold in, with plenty more still to come. If Rebecca won't be shown this month either, then it must mean she's not fully ready yet, since only part of her tender was shown a month ago. The big reveal this month will be the first, unpainted look at Sir Topham Hatt's Car.
Complete list of other products and toolings that still haven't been seen unpainted yet:
HO Scale
Stanley
Open Carriage
12-Ton Van
Bulgy
Narrow Gauge
Sir Handel
Duncan
High-Side Wagon
Gondola
Gunpowder Wagon
N Scale
Diesel/Paxton
Express Coaches
I hope MOST of these products get shown by the end of the year. Especially the Narrow Gauge rolling stock and Sir Handel. Doug needs to give us an update on those products. Possibly during summer, we should see unpainted samples of HO Scale Stanley and N Scale Diesel. I feel the latter will be revealed sooner than summer.
I really wish I hadn't bothered posting that list now because every single post is going to be updating that list. Honestly you don't need to constantly update it. That's the third time it's been updated on this page alone
Oops. Sorry. I didn't realize how redundant it's been until just before you pointed it out. I guess I should stop.
Maybe a silly question actually. But have the lighthouse, square water tower, and other two large figures ever been repackaged in the new style. I feel like they have had to be by now but I'm not remembering ever seeing them.
I think N Scale Live Lobster Refrigerator Van and Tar Tanker would be a great idea. I think 1 Plank Wagons with Crates Gift Pack would be a great idea. I think Season's Greetings Express Coaches (Recolor of Gordon's Express Coaches) and Hot Cocoa Tanker would be perfect for Christmas Additions at some point in the future.
Hey everyone. Apologies for not posting sooner, but I wanted to share my thoughts on the 2024 catalog and current status of the Bachmann Thomas line altogether.
Firstly, I concur with everyone who stated that it is completely understandable as to why there were not many new additions for the 2024 catalog, especially given last summer's massive NMRA product announcements, let alone several new toolings.
For the new additions, I am glad to see the Large Scale Thomas set back in the line, as I have seen many requests for this, and since large scale was the one scale that did not get any new announcement last summer. The slate wagon variants look very nice too. I am particularly fond of the tan one, reminding me of the tan weathering of the slate wagons from Season 5:
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It is also great to see the final images of HO Beau and N Gordon in the catalog, and I look forward to seeing them arrive at retailers in the near future.
All in all, there is so much to look forward to, with over 10 new toolings under development now, including engines, rolling stock, and non rail accessories. The future is bright, and with the 80th anniversary around the corner, I can only imagine that Bachmann has even more exciting announcements planned for the summer and 2025.
Probably one of my favorite kind of posts to do on the forum are the somewhat annual wishlists the N scale range. This is because the N scale range has come so far since its initial announcement five years ago back in February 2019. We're at a point right now where they have doubled the number of engines Tomix released, have a decent variety of rolling stock to choose from, with no signs of slowing down either. They made significant progress last year in terms of engines and especially rolling stock and my original wishlist has only been getting smaller since then! Now that the 2024 catalog has come and gone, here is my up-to-date wishlist for the N scale Thomas range. And even though we all know CGI will be used as a reference, I figured just for fun I will use model era pictures in honor of the television series's 40th anniversary this year in October.
Engines:
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Henry - It's so obvious it's not even worth going in depth over, but for the sake of consistency I'll go over it briefly. Henry is undeniably the top request for the next engine in N scale, with his market shown from the Tomix model, shared motor and chassis as Gordon and his HO model remaining a consistent seller it's no contest. I firmly believe Henry should be the next new engine we get announced in N scale at the NMRA this summer once they get Gordon released.
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Edward - A close second is Edward, a character who I feel would be a very appropriate choice for the following N scale engine either after or alongside Henry (if he doesn't get announced this summer), during the brand's 80th anniversary. Another well established character with a lot of history and a strong following, Edward would feel like a very natural addition in N scale. If Henry gets announced at the NMRA as a follow up to Gordon, then I think Edward would be a solid follow-up announcement to Emily once she is released. Even if Henry isn't announced by the NMRA this summer already, I think both Henry and Edward would make a really great duo announcement for 2025 for the 80th anniversary.
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Duck - After Henry and Edward, I think the most natural choice would go to Duck. Duck has always been very popular with the older fan base, especially with Bachmann as his HO model continues to be a top seller many years after its release. In the CGI series, Duck has always had a huge following too, even more than Oliver who you could argue is a shoe in because of Toad. However, Duck has always been more iconic than Oliver, especially in the CGI series and the fact that Duck is even popular with the younger generation as well (as confirmed by a former student!) it's clear that after Henry and Edward, Duck rightfully deserves to be third in line before introducing Oliver to go along with Toad. He would also be a perfect follow-up announcement to Diesel once he is considering their classic rivalry, and the HO line did the exact same thing which was appreciated by fans everywhere at the time.
It may seem like my engine list hasn't changed that much, but my honorable mention in the form of Diesel (plus Paxton) found its way into the range last year which is a definite plus. My new honorable mention now would go to Mavis since she has such a simple design and easy chassis reuse Bachmann can work with. Oliver would be a close second honorable mention to go along with Toad.
Rolling stock on the other hand has gone down a lot more drastically on my wishlist. Last year we got box vans, Henrietta, and Gordon's express coaches. Pretty impressive all of these got announced last year if you ask me!
So going forward, here are the next pieces of rolling stock I would like to see next:
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Brake vans - Like Henry, this is such an obvious pick. I love the Toad model, but as I've said before the 12 ton brake van is far more iconic and would look a lot better behind goods trains pulled by several other characters in the show. They can go for various different liveries like the NW livery like in large scale or brown and gray in the model series or even purple in CGI. They can even introduce a spiteful brake van model either right after or alongside a standard brake van as an added bonus. Either way, there's a lot they can do with this tooling and it's well worth the investment on Bachmann's end.
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Red coaches - Just like the brake van, these are another very obvious choice. They are easy models to make and were hot sellers in HO and large scale - I have zero doubt the same will happen in N scale. They've been pulled by several other characters in the show, including characters that are either currently available or high in demand for the future. I think these make a pretty close second top request behind brake vans.
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Coal wagon with load (and other repaints) - I think more likely than not, Bachmann will most likely introduce more repaints in N scale either in the summer or next year. While the repaint I'm personally the most hopeful for is the coal wagon with load, I wouldn't mind seeing other wagon repaints or even some of the other box vans receiving repaints as well. I wouldn't even mind Hannah in N scale since we are already getting Henrietta in N scale too. Even if one or two repaints were announced alongside a brake van, I personally don't see the harm in that. If they do though, let's start with the simpler repaints first like the coal wagon with load and the red/blue open wagons like in HO and large scale before we move onto the more gimmicky repaints with various decals printed on.
Honorable mentions go to the mail car and a new tanker mold. The mail car has always been a popular seller in HO and offers several repaint options as well, however I put this one lower than the rest since I feel that brake vans and the red coaches are a much higher priority. The new tanker mold meanwhile is something I really want Bachmann to consider at some point much later in the future since I, and many other fans, would prefer the more screen accurate tooling like what was used for the large scale range and even HO/OO. There's a reason why the N scale tankers don't sell nearly as well in my local hobby shops compared to the rest of the stock and it's not hard to see why. I think revisiting the tankers with a new tooling in mind would be a much better option for Bachmann rather than to repaint the Farish tankers again, especially considering there are several repaint options out there. Even if they go for new liveries that weren't introduced previously like milk, tar and even toffee with a new/improved mold I wouldn't even be opposed to that either.
And despite my talk of my list going down slightly, I think it's time to talk about non-rail characters for N scale. This is something that's been brought up occasionally by fans, and with the HO line announcing more as of last year, I figured why not. So here are the ones I think Bachmann should start with:
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Bertie - There is absolutely no doubt that Bertie should be one of the very first additions in this category. He has always been a popular character and made frequent appearances since season 1. He's got a great simplistic design to work with, and I have zero doubt Bachmann will be able to pull him off nicely in N scale.
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Harold - Harold has always been a huge icon of the Thomas brand and franchise. A popular character since his debut with regular appearances, I would say both he and Bertie would make welcome additions if announced alongside each other together in N scale like in HO (and Bachmann Europe). Harold would also feel like a very natural addition if Bachmann were to include non-rail characters in N scale too.
My honorable mention goes to Cranky, even though he's more of a scenery item they can add to the range; which I feel warrants a post on its own. But having Cranky -an iconic staple in the show- in N scale would go over very well for the many fans who are collecting N scale, including a former student and his dad, in addition to several other young hobbyists who are just getting into the hobby. I'd mention other characters like Terence too, but I don't want to go too overboard non-rail characters quite yet, so I'll wrap it up here. Let me know any additional thoughts below.
Great suggestions here, Chaz! Adding Henry to the range will also complete the original Tomix quartet alongside Thomas, Percy and James. Edward and Duck are also strong suggestions. Mavis' issue is that she did not appear much in CGI following her episode with Den and Dart. Oliver has appeared more consistently, so that's the second reason I'd choose him over Mavis, the first being that his sidekick Toad is already out there.
Definitely in 100% agreement about the red coaches and original green coal wagon. The red coaches will be great for James and Percy to pull. In addition to the coal wagon, I'd personally also like to see the red and blue open wagons join the range. On the subject of brake vans, I think Bachmann could get away with them being track cleaning like in HO, and not necessarily market them as Thomas products. They're colorful and are generic rolling stock that don't need a face to sell. Same liveries as the HO counterparts, too.
Bertie and Harold would also be fun additions. Both were staples of the show all 24 seasons and appeared consistently. Cranky might be a bit of a stretch due to his size and being delicate at such a small scale.
Either way, solid suggestions, and couldn't have come up with better ones myself!
I fully agree with Chaz. The only other alternative I'd throw in that I'd like to see in N Scale in the near future is a Cattle wagon. There's alot of possibility for what's next in N Scale and given how well the range has evolved from the first models of Thomas and Percy to the latest two (Emily and Gordon) I'm sure that Henry, Edward, Duck or whoever will be brilliant too. The only other engine I'd throw in the mix would be Spencer as he's been a pretty constant feature since season 7 and I can see Bachmann making him at some point. The future is incredibly bright for this range.
The way myself and the modellers in my circle see it, it's easier to sort new locos for N Scale 'Thomas' into tiers of priority rather than a hard numbered ranking... Mostly because the demand for Henry and Edward is so suffocating that it is more or less impossible to talk about any other characters without the proviso of "after Henry and Edward, of course"...
Tier 1 would be Henry and Edward, naturally... They're the final two classic main characters... Both are very popular and frequently requested... Henry specifically has the benefit of sharing a common driving wheels and motion with Gordon, which means that the only requirements to create him are to make a new loco shell, tender, and front wheelset to surround the main chassis... Edward would almost entirely be new tooling (albeit likely using the same wheel pattern as Thomas, James, and Toby) but his development cost would be easily justified by how popular he would be upon release...
Tier 2 and below are more subjective and nebulous... I think these would be a combination of popular secondary loco characters from the HO Scale 'Thomas' line and general popular requests for the N Scale 'Thomas' line specifically... At time of writing, I would put four characters into this category; Duck, Spencer, Mavis, and Oliver... Duck and Oliver fit the bill for both criteria... Mavis has been getting a lot of support for N Scale (including from myself)... and Spencer is rather popular in HO Scale despite that model's shortcomings, so I believe he'll make the jump sooner rather than later...
Tier 3 is every other engine that is currently released in the HO Scale 'Thomas' line. Rosie, Donald and Douglas, Daisy, Ryan, Bill and Ben, and Salty... Salty may be cheating slightly since his reintroduction isn't on the market yet... But he is in the catalog, so I count him among these regardless, ha ha... Not much to say about them, I believe all of them will come to pass in due time...
Tier 4 are the characters that are either extremely new or currently discontinued without a plan to be reintroduce... Beau, Rebecca, Stanley, and Iron 'Arry and Iron Bert... The only characters I can see 'jumping the line' as it were are the Iron Diesels for being based on Paxton and Diesel, or Rebecca solely because she is a main character in the legacy 'Thomas' series... Beau is complicated by Bachmann's Old-Time 4-4-0 being a discontinued tooling, and in all honestly would be better off using an updated model as a base... Meanwhile Stanley feels too recent of an announcement to consider placing any higher... That said in a year or two, he and Rebecca would likely move up to Tier 3 once their HO Scale models make it to market, and their places will be taken by whatever new loco characters are announced...
Rolling Stock is a lot less interesting to make a priority tiering for in the same way, since most of it is just a laundry list of essentials... More 7-Plank Open Wagons, more versions of the Tank Cars, Cattle Vans, the Spiteful Brake Van (or other BR 20 Ton Brake Van recolors, if possible), Red Coaches, Toby's Museum Coaches, Red Express Coaches, et cetera... I may have missed it if somebody has posted it, but I feel the Mail Cars would be a good pick for the line as well. It's another piece that was present in TOMIX's 'Thomas' line that isn't currently represented in Bachmann's N Scale line, and comes in at least three colors... Red, Green, and even Live Lobsters if they want to have some fun...
It is always a pleasure to read your suggestion posts, Chaz, and the model era pics were a nice touch. Altogether, I completely agree with all the engine, rolling stock, and non rail suggestions.
Henry is no-doubt who I am also hoping to see announced next in N scale for all the same reasons stated above. I think that him alongside some open wagon recolors (the coal wagon with load, blue wagon, and red wagon), and the iconic brake van would be very nice to see for the next product announcement specifically. Edward, Duck, and Oliver are definitely logical additions too. As far as non-rail characters are concerned, I concur that Bertie would be a good start, followed by Harold or Terence.
It's hard to believe that the N scale line was already announced five years ago. I recall having mixed feelings about how well the line would do, with HO in the main driver's seat. However, I was very happy to be proven wrong, as the line has continuously sold well. Furthermore, with Gordon almost released, the the best days still seem to be ahead.
This NMRA could finally be the time they announce N Scale Henry. He won't completely be a new tooling since he would just recycle Gordon's chassis minus the trailing wheels. Just a new tender, face and body shell. I've stated that the best recolors for the 2025 catalog would be N Scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James, but would be nice if we can get Edward, all of which would be fitting for the 80th Anniversary. Unlike the former two, Edward would 100% be a new tooling, unless they can just scale down his HO Scale tooling to work in N Scale, since it was near-perfect.
For N Scale rolling stock, we desperately need non-troublesome variants of the open wagons, including the green Coal Wagon with Load, Blue Open Wagon and Red Open Wagon. Other very welcome additions would be the Mail Car (great for Percy), Red Coaches, and 20-ton Brake Vans. Red Express Coaches would also be great. Hannah could easily be made using Henrietta's tooling, and she could be the first rolling stock in N Scale that doesn't already exist in HO Scale.
Other great choices for N Scale engines that would be very much welcome include Mavis, since she would recycle Toby's chassis, Duck because of his past rivalry with Diesel, and Oliver because we have Toad. Even Spencer would be a great choice because he, like Henry, can also recycle Gordon's chassis, with his tender being completely different (box-shaped), different trailing wheel design, and a streamlined body shape. Adding Spencer would mean they'd also have to make Special Coaches for N Scale as well. Unlike HO Scale, the Special Coaches can actually have a brake variant in N Scale.
I'd also like Ryan and Daisy, who are the most recent additions to HO Scale, but characters like them I don't see getting announced in N Scale for a while, since they were too recent for HO Scale. Stanley and Rebecca are still upcoming for HO Scale. 'Arry and Bert are discontinued in HO Scale, but could easily be made in N Scale once they have Diesel's tooling ready. Sidney has yet to be made in any scale, but with Diesel's tooling, he could be the first engine in N Scale who doesn't already exist in HO Scale.
If we start getting non-rail characters in N Scale, we could get Bertie and Harold.
Thanks everyone for the strong feedback! I'm glad everyone seems to be on the same page when it comes to the engine choices and the non-rail characters too. Undeniably, I think those the five I mentioned earlier (and possibly Spencer) are easily the more popular requests that I have seen, hence why I mentioned them. I agree that there's a lot more of an urgency for Henry and Edward due to their classic main character stance, in addition to Duck and Oliver to an extent because of Toad's release. That being said, there are a few things I want to respond to in particular.
Regarding the brake vans, as I mentioned earlier, there are different livery options out there Bachmann could use for the N scale range, or even HO if they really wanted to. I think introducing a set of brake vans in a new tooling and various liveries would be the best way to go. Seeing as how Bachmann has shifted for more industrial colors like gray and brown, I would like to see these find their way to the N scale brake vans once they are announced. If there's any new rolling stock tooling that we get announced this year, I hope this will be the one. Track-cleaning stock wouldn't be a bad idea of usage of the brake van tooling either.
As for Mavis' lack of usage since season 19, I think that's a moot point since while her usage hasn't been as frequent as she used to be, she would be one of the easier choices for a new locomotive design. The class 08 repaints do get tiring after a while, and I think Diesel and Paxton are just the right amount for the time being. Mavis would offer some nice diversity in terms of diesels in N scale, and would reuse the same motor and chassis as Toby which is a win-win of it's own. That already puts Mavis a few steps above the likes of other diesels in the range such as Salty or even Daisy, so I'm all for it.
Spencer on the other hand I think has a higher shot than most of us might give him credit for since he's had a better track record from Bachmann in terms of sales. He was also introduced pretty early in HO (he came even got announced before Edward), so I wouldn't rule him out from being introduced soon too. The only reason why I didn't mention him or the likes of Donald and Douglas or Daisy is because I feel like there is a lot more of an urgency to the characters I mentioned earlier. I think the five engines I mentioned in my last post might make better candidates first based on the reasons I mentioned earlier, but I think it's worthy of an honorable mention too. He definitely fits comfortably in a "tier 2" list as mentioned earlier, so there's that much going for him.
As for the cattle wagon, I'm all for it. Like Spencer though, I left that one out since there's some rolling stock additions I feel have a stronger sense of urgency like brake vans or the red coaches or even the mail car. I think we will see demand for cattle wagons increase once Edward eventually gets introduced in N scale.
I wouldn't mind LBSC Thomas or Origin James in N scale either, but in my opinion I think it's a little too early for Bachmann to be considering those, especially considering Henry and Edward haven't been announced yet. Maybe much later down the road once more characters get introduced. Sidney meanwhile I think could work if they absolutely had to reuse the class 08 tooling anytime soon, but I feel like adding a third so soon after Diesel and Paxton is a little excessive.
In short, the engines for N Scale that are in the highest urgency are Edward and Henry, and to a slightly lesser extent, Mavis, Duck, Oliver and Spencer. Edward and Henry have the absolute highest urgency because they would complete the original Steam Team N Scale. Both must be announced within the next 12 months, with Gordon and Emily arriving in stock this year, and Diesel is soon to start progress.
Tbh N scale roise would be nice to see
With two different liveries, Rosie could also work good in N Scale, but she is not a high-priority like Edward, Henry, Duck and Oliver.
It's unlikely we ever will get N Scale Beau, unless Bachmann brings back the American 4-4-0 in a new tooling for N Scale, just like they did for HO Scale. Given how iconic the American 4-4-0 is, they need to bring back the N Scale one by completely retooling it, so it would look good.
I don't know if Bachmann will announce another newly-tooled engine for HO Scale this NMRA, considering they still don't have Rebecca out there yet, and they're soon to show Stanley unpainted since his 3D design is ready. The best choices for new toolings in HO Scale would be Nia, Whiff, Hiro, or Norman. Maybe even Winston can be made in HO Scale, since Bachmann UK makes Wickham Trollies, and that would give the Sir Topham Hatt figure something to ride on. For recolors, Sidney would make the most sense, and I personally would like to see Mainland Diesel #1 with the annoyed expression he had after James bumped into him, even though recolors like the Mainland Diesels and Green Salty are rather niche.
Bringing back arry and Bert would be cool and perfect for NRMA 2024
Thinking about diesel 10 if they put pinchy in found of his windows he could fit under tunnels .
I think he could be perfect for 2025
2025 catalogue ideas
Diesel 10
Blue Annie and clarabel
Work unit coach
M 4 plank wagon
FFQ 4 plank wagon
SCC 4 plank wagon
I have collected many of the HO T&F engines and rolling stock. I would like to see more on the locos brought out with decoders installed. I also have G Scale equipment and same goes for them. Would save me the time of doing it myself.
I think Sam needs to be Second Limited Release after Beau is done at some point in the future. Topham Circus Train would be a great idea. Season's Greetings Express Coaches and Hot Cocoa Tank Wagon would be perfect for Christmas Traditions at some point in the future.
I think Thomas Cabooses should be made out of Unlettered Cabooses in HO/OO Scale and N Scale at some point in the future. That would be nice!
My little girl would love to have an HO NIA
It's really hard for me to suggest something at this time, with so many products backlogged, Bachmann had to announce almost nothing new in the catalog in order to catch up on everything. The next new tooling for HO Scale could be Nia, Whiff, or Norman to be the best choices, along with Hiro, who's even bigger than Rebecca, and I doubt he'd get announced this NMRA. If Sidney can't happen in HO Scale because of problems with the eye mechanism, he could still happen in N Scale. Sidney doesn't exist in Large Scale, either.
What's needed to be said for N Scale suggestions has already been said many times. We know Henry is top priority, along with Edward.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on April 05, 2024, 04:18:36 PMThe next new tooling for HO Scale could be Nia, Whiff, or Norman to be the best choices,
I'll admit, you lost me at Norman being one of the "best choices" Bachmann would make for the next new tooling. The other choices, including Hiro, I could see happening at some point, but I'm not so sure on Norman to be honest.
I think Bachmann's taking the "catch up year" plan a lot more seriously since they seem to be focusing a lot more on making progress on previously announced products. I'm thinking the NMRA will probably just consist of some rolling stock announcements in HO and N, and once more products are released this year or have made a lot more progress we will probably see a much larger lineup ready for 2025 during the brand's 80th anniversary. When that happens I think that's when we will see the next new HO engine tooling announcement along with N scale Henry and Edward once Gordon and Emily are eventually released.
as i said before Samson and Bradford are the main 2 engine and rolling stock i really want them to do. (along with the slip coaches as 3 4 and 5). my reason is i thought they would make a nice companion with oliver and toad (of course when they announced they would do oliver and toad a decade ago that's when the first time i got excited for anything bachmann and also when daisy would be the third item i got really excited for). i just think samson would be a great move for bachmann to do (as long as if they did bradford to go along with him). even though they're catching up with the products they announced from two years ago and last year. i just think samson and bradford should be the next one's they should do more than ever in my opinion. and i also hope they'll update the ho henrietta. (i've taking a strong consideration of buying the n scale toby as the n scale henrietta will have the face). i've had thought of buying the ho toby just wish they'd update the ho henrietta with the face. but i guess we'll see.
Quote from: Chaz on April 05, 2024, 08:59:57 PMQuote from: TrainFan97 on April 05, 2024, 04:18:36 PMThe next new tooling for HO Scale could be Nia, Whiff, or Norman to be the best choices,
I'll admit, you lost me at Norman being one of the "best choices" Bachmann would make for the next new tooling. The other choices, including Hiro, I could see happening at some point, but I'm not so sure on Norman to be honest.
I think Bachmann's taking the "catch up year" plan a lot more seriously since they seem to be focusing a lot more on making progress on previously announced products. I'm thinking the NMRA will probably just consist of some rolling stock announcements in HO and N, and once more products are released this year or have made a lot more progress we will probably see a much larger lineup ready for 2025 during the brand's 80th anniversary. When that happens I think that's when we will see the next new HO engine tooling announcement along with N scale Henry and Edward once Gordon and Emily are eventually released.
I guess Norman isn't exactly one of the
best choices for a new tooling in HO Scale, largely due to his minimal usage in the actual show, despite having many fan-made stories that actually use him. It's also unlikely he'll return in the reboot. The better choices for the next new HO Scale tooling are Nia, Whiff, Hiro, or even Winston. I say Winston because he'd be something the Sir Topham Hatt figure could ride on, and Bachmann UK makes Wickham Trollies. Samson was also mentioned, and being a cabless engine, he can have crew figures onboard, and Bachmann UK has the tooling for Bradford. Probably the simplest new tooling for HO Scale would be Philip because of his small box shape. Unlike Norman, Philip had several episodes dedicated to him. Even Timothy might be a better choice than Norman because at least he had a few episodes.
The tooling Bachmann would use for Braford:
https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/midland-railway-20t-brake-van-with-duckets-lms-grey/38-552b
Quote from: Chaz on April 05, 2024, 08:59:57 PMQuote from: TrainFan97 on April 05, 2024, 04:18:36 PMThe next new tooling for HO Scale could be Nia, Whiff, or Norman to be the best choices,
I'll admit, you lost me at Norman being one of the "best choices" Bachmann would make for the next new tooling. The other choices, including Hiro, I could see happening at some point, but I'm not so sure on Norman to be honest.
I think Bachmann's taking the "catch up year" plan a lot more seriously since they seem to be focusing a lot more on making progress on previously announced products. I'm thinking the NMRA will probably just consist of some rolling stock announcements in HO and N, and once more products are released this year or have made a lot more progress we will probably see a much larger lineup ready for 2025 during the brand's 80th anniversary. When that happens I think that's when we will see the next new HO engine tooling announcement along with N scale Henry and Edward once Gordon and Emily are eventually released.
I disagree for two reasons. Number 1 the NMRA point. Technically the NMRA announcements are supposed to be reveals for products releasing the following year. It's never really worked out this way but it's supposed to (I think it worked out for origins James and only him lol). So if they wanted say, an N scale engine to tie in with the anniversary or a new G scale engine they'd more likely announce them here than wait for the 2025 catalog, as it would more likely guarantee they make substantial progress or even release during the anniversary year. Then NMRA 2025 would be focused on whatever is coming in 2026. Although this being the case could mean they just announce a green Thomas recolor in N or something like they did with origins James in 2020 lol.
As for Norman, I feel like from a Thomas fan perspective he's a little niche. Not a major character in the show or to fans why would they make him? Well, he has an interesting factor going for him. His basis. Not really present for modelling yet. (I think there may have been a brass kit at one point but idk if it still exists?)
So some general British modelers may want to kitbash him similar to what happened with the Skarloey engines. Granted Norman's basis is still super niche however his smaller size would also make him easier to produce compared to say, Hiro. At least currently I'd argue he's the best candidate for small engine new mold aside from Whiff and Nia we already named. Charlie and Sonny have basis's already existing in OO now, not that this means they shouldn't still be made just makes them lesser candidates cause their fanbase is also nonexistent. Dart, Phillip, Scruff, Stafford, and others are small so therefore the eye mech could be an issue. Den is tied to Dart so he'd be in a weird spot. Frankie could be a fun one because she has a nice basis but same issue as Den of being in a duo or group of 5 and said other characters have factors going against them. The international engines could have the same appeal as Norman but are even more niche I'd argue. A bunch of the others are in model series jail. Heck other tender engines are entirely reliant on how Rebecca sells they've said this on a stream before, so idk if Hiro is really likely at this point. Which sucks because he's one I really want. He'd be the next tender engine for sure. So like, aside from the two we already named, and recolors, who's really left? Timothy and Porter I guess?? Belle and Hurricane since they're not outright big engines maybe but they're both weird as well??? Flynn if they wanted to get really experimental and do a high railer but that brings back the eye mech problem. Ultimately my point is eventually they'll have to start taking more risks and getting more out there and Norman I'd argue is a good one to start with. Whiff and Nia first, and hopefully Hiro as well, after that, it's Norman's time to shine. Sorry for the long ramble, I just wanted to make a case for Norman. Hopefully this was articulated well.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on April 06, 2024, 08:15:17 AMI disagree for two reasons. Number 1 the NMRA point. Technically the NMRA announcements are supposed to be reveals for products releasing the following year. It's never really worked out this way but it's supposed to (I think it worked out for origins James and only him lol). So if they wanted say, an N scale engine to tie in with the anniversary or a new G scale engine they'd more likely announce them here than wait for the 2025 catalog, as it would more likely guarantee they make substantial progress or even release during the anniversary year. Then NMRA 2025 would be focused on whatever is coming in 2026. Although this being the case could mean they just announce a green Thomas recolor in N or something like they did with origins James in 2020 lol.
The thing is, Bachmann made it perfectly clear on the last few Trainworld streams that this year really is the catchup year and there is a lot that they still haven't released yet. Once more previously announced products are released, that's when they typically announce a lot more. Last year Ryan and N scale Toby got released in the spring, and later that summer we got Stanley and N scale Diesel and Paxton announcements. The year before was Daisy and N scale James and then the NMRA was Rebecca (and Beau) and N scale Gordon. The same applies here, the only difference is that while Beau looks like he will be released in the next month, while Rebecca and N scale Gordon and Emily probably won't. Yeah that probably means the newly announced products won't actually be released on the year they're announced or the year after but that's not really anything new in the grand scheme of things. It's to be expected at this point.
There's also really no stopping them from saving the projects from being "officially announced" until later while being worked on before their official announcement like the N scale box vans for example. The van was a new tooling, and yet they were fully painted and ready to go once they were announced. I doubt that this fully applies to new engines (unless it's a repaint like large scale Paxton), but the point still stands that they could be figuring out/working on other projects behind the scenes for a surprise reveal later. I'm all for an N scale Henry announcement this summer, and would love to be proven wrong, but I'm not under the impression it will happen until next year once Gordon and Emily are hopefully out by the end of the year, and then we would receive a duo announcement in N scale of both Henry and Edward. That to me would be a pretty incredible announcement and very fitting for the 80th anniversary of the brand.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on April 06, 2024, 08:15:17 AMAs for Norman, I feel like from a Thomas fan perspective he's a little niche. Not a major character in the show or to fans why would they make him? Well, he has an interesting factor going for him. His basis. Not really present for modelling yet. (I think there may have been a brass kit at one point but idk if it still exists?)
The thing is, Bachmann typically goes for characters (with a new tooling) who have a lot more of a wider appeal. Characters aren't really picked so much because of their basis, they're picked because a lot of people like the characters who were used in the show a lot more frequently or have a lot more of substantial following from fans. I agree that Norman's basis and design a fun one, and there are a handful of other characters that would be fun (in either model or CGI) that would be nice for aesthetic purposes. However, from a business perspective like Bachmann (or Mattel), Norman is a borderline "nobody" character. No lead role or much of a supporting role, no official introductory episode, not much of a personality, and not a ton of merchandise of him either. All of these factors lead me to believe that Norman would be a poor seller and Bachmann's typically a lot more mindful about which characters they pick when it comes to new tooling announcements. I think we can all agree on Whiff, Nia, and Hiro (depending on how Rebecca does) being valid possibilities for sure. Depending on when Salty gets released I could see Porter eventually being added since he was also used pretty consistently. Winston in HO would be a fun option too considering he has been in large scale for a while and since Bachmann's adding the figure packs, he would be a pretty natural addition to the range as well at some point. Other characters though, I'm personally not so sure of, but again I think there's a handful of other characters I think Bachmann will be leaning more towards regardless before even thinking about adding Norman anytime soon.
Quote from: Chaz on April 06, 2024, 01:19:07 PMThe thing is, Bachmann made it perfectly clear on the last few Trainworld streams that this year really is the catchup year and there is a lot that they still haven't released yet. Once more previously announced products are released, that's when they typically announce a lot more. Last year Ryan and N scale Toby got released in the spring, and later that summer we got Stanley and N scale Diesel and Paxton announcements. The year before was Daisy and N scale James and then the NMRA was Rebecca (and Beau) and N scale Gordon. The same applies here, the only difference is that while Beau looks like he will be released in the next month, while Rebecca and N scale Gordon and Emily probably won't. Yeah that probably means the newly announced products won't actually be released on the year they're announced or the year after but that's not really anything new in the grand scheme of things. It's to be expected at this point.
There's also really no stopping them from saving the projects from being "officially announced" until later while being worked on before their official announcement like the N scale box vans for example. The van was a new tooling, and yet they were fully painted and ready to go once they were announced. I doubt that this fully applies to new engines (unless it's a repaint like large scale Paxton), but the point still stands that they could be figuring out/working on other projects behind the scenes for a surprise reveal later. I'm all for an N scale Henry announcement this summer, and would love to be proven wrong, but I'm not under the impression it will happen until next year once Gordon and Emily are hopefully out by the end of the year, and then we would receive a duo announcement in N scale of both Henry and Edward. That to me would be a pretty incredible announcement and very fitting for the 80th anniversary of the brand.
I didn't actually consider the fact they could be working on products in the background, that's a fair point. Albeit small correction. The vans weren't new tools. They were scaled down from the g scale ones hence they took less time to produce. This doesn't diminish your point at all since they were still worked on in the background so I could see that happening with Henry for sure. Although of note they made a similar catchup year comment last year and then still had the NMRA show that they did. While the newer catalog seems more seriously abiding by this, I don't really know if the NMRA will as well until we actually see it. Maybe that's too blind optimism but I'm working off the patterns they've given us before. If it's all wagon recolors than oh well, I'm wrong and spring 2025 will be the huge chunk of the announcements. Ultimately this is a wait and see I suppose.
Quote from: Chaz on April 06, 2024, 01:19:07 PMThe thing is, Bachmann typically goes for characters (with a new tooling) who have a lot more of a wider appeal. Characters aren't really picked so much because of their basis, they're picked because a lot of people like the characters who were used in the show a lot more frequently or have a lot more of substantial following from fans. I agree that Norman's basis and design a fun one, and there are a handful of other characters that would be fun (in either model or CGI) that would be nice for aesthetic purposes. However, from a business perspective like Bachmann (or Mattel), Norman is a borderline "nobody" character. No lead role or much of a supporting role, no official introductory episode, not much of a personality, and not a ton of merchandise of him either. All of these factors lead me to believe that Norman would be a poor seller and Bachmann's typically a lot more mindful about which characters they pick when it comes to new tooling announcements. I think we can all agree on Whiff, Nia, and Hiro (depending on how Rebecca does) being valid possibilities for sure. Depending on when Salty gets released I could see Porter eventually being added since he was also used pretty consistently. Winston in HO would be a fun option too considering he has been in large scale for a while and since Bachmann's adding the figure packs, he would be a pretty natural addition to the range as well at some point. Other characters though, I'm personally not so sure of, but again I think there's a handful of other characters I think Bachmann will be leaning more towards regardless before even thinking about adding Norman anytime soon.
I feel like we do have to consider the fact Bachmann seems pretty knowledgeable about the general kitbashers given the Tallylyn line and changes they've made for certain Skarloey models. Norman having a basis not repped in 00 at all may be reason enough to consider him over others. He's also a name I've seen brought up on the forums a few times (along with Charlie and Porter) so once we get passed the next obvious group of characters (Nia, Whiff, maybe Hiro, Sidney, I hope not Fernando) I could see his requests rising up. Of course, if KR models or another company makes his basis by the time he's in consideration than this point becomes moot. So it might not be the strongest to base my argument on. But I'd argue we'll already be on the lower tier of characters by the time we get the 4 most likely ones. Even if the model series contract gets changed, I feel Stepney and BoCo are the only two who are really viable at this given time. Eventually they'll have to make new tools based on less popular characters, or just stop entirely. Plus, while he's dull in the show in his merch Norman is a brighter red orange that is pretty unique to him that would more likely be emulated on a model anyway given Bachmann's gloss. To play devil's advocate to my previous post I do think they would more likely do Charlie first, smaller, more unique color, simplistic. Heck I probably want Charlie more you can see my signature, but I wouldn't count Norman out. He doesn't have that much going against him in the grand scheme compared to a lot of other characters I listed in the previous post. If Rebecca ends up as a smash hit though than more tender engines could become viable and would probably take his likelihood down, but again, we'll have to wait and see. Same with Beau, if he does super well Bachmann may try to get more special permissions to do more limited run characters (He still seems to be limited run since Percy recently got a packaging update that only mentions Rebecca on the back, not Beau) without eye mechs so that could be an in for the likes of Stephen. Maybe that's how they get permission for model series characters as well. I guess the thesis of this post is that things could change rapidly, but as of right now I'd argue Norman is higher up on the likelihood compared to a lot of other cgi characters because a lot of them are just as niche. Either way I think we're all in agreement which 3-4 characters will come first, hopefully Hiro is on that list let's cross our fingers.
Whether or not Bachmann makes Hiro will depend on how well Rebecca sells, so it's going to be a while before they announce him. If Rebecca ends up being a hot seller, then Bachmann can definitely consider making Hiro. It's very clear that the most likely next two newly-tooled engines for HO Scale are Nia and Whiff.
In a nutshell, the biggest thing going against Norman is his minimal usage in the actual show. Charlie is also brought up because of his unique livery, and his simplistic design for a new tooling, although his fanbase is non-existent, and he was rather infamous.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on April 06, 2024, 02:59:00 PMI feel like we do have to consider the fact Bachmann seems pretty knowledgeable about the general kitbashers given the Tallylyn line and changes they've made for certain Skarloey models. Norman having a basis not repped in 00 at all may be reason enough to consider him over others.
The thing is, the market behind HO/OO and OO9 (narrow gauge) are different from each other because OO9 relies a lot more on kitbashing/custom models because of how it's a lot more of a niche scale and not as many manufactures make OO9 models compared to HO/OO. So it's not exactly a fair comparison to advocate for Norman because of what modelers do for Skarloey or other OO9 models. If the character's basis were one of the factors Bachmann took into consideration, we would have seen Charlie and Whiff announced before Ryan or Rebecca. Again, it's really not so much the basis of the character Bachmann isn't going for when deciding on new engine toolings, it's the character themselves and how appealing they are to a wider range of consumers. The added benefit of the first six SKR engines being loved by both older and younger audiences alike and have a presence in CGI helps expand that point even further.
That being said, I do agree with you that the list of more recurring side characters is only getting smaller and we will -eventually- start jumping into more niche side character territory, or in the case of Nia, characters who were introduced a lot later in the CGI series if Bachmann continues to stick with characters who only appeared in that era of the show. I still don't think it means Norman will happen in the immediate future, but I do think if Bachmann continues this direction, it will eventually lead to the lesser known, more niche characters. I would be on board if model series exclusive characters got their recognition once again since Stepney and Arthur are two other personal favorite characters of mine but my hopes aren't that high at this time. At least I can enjoy my custom Stepney model in the meantime made by Bluebells5529 (will be doing a post on this eventually in another thread).
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Chaz, let me start off by saying I adore your Stepney model. BlueBells5529 also made my Percy and Oliver customs I showcased in the "Custom Models" thread. Small world!
My two cents:
As far as a new engine tooling, outside of Whiff and Nia -- who both appear in AEG, everyone else are forgotten relics of the past. I'm personally leaning more towards Whiff myself. Not because I prefer him as a character to Nia, but also the fact that Nia has a rather intricate design with a lot of small details. If Ryan and now Rebecca are anything to go by, every last tiny detail on Nia would need to be replicated. If Rebecca's RRP is high, then I can only imagine what Nia's would be. And she's only a tank engine! Whiff is much less detailed as a result, and in fact, his CGI render is almost a 1:1 of his Season 11 prop.
Norman literally just existed. Yes, a ready-to-run model of his basis would technically have a market for kitbashing, but even that isn't enough to warrant Bachmann making the tooling for a character who only spoke a handful of times and was mostly relegated to background appearances. As a result of this, a lot of people wouldn't know who Norman is.
Charlie did play a heavy role in the Miller era, but after Season 18 was also relegated to the background. From my memory, Charlie wasn't well liked by fans, and was mostly tolerated in his Season 17 and 18 appearances. While he's got an attractive color palette, it isn't enough to produce a character that wasn't liked, then faded into the background.
Stanley, yes, came and went in terms of appearances, mostly being the station pilot, but he had The Great Discovery to warrant enough demand. That special was well loved and still is 15 years later. I myself already have his model on pre-order at TrainWorld, the first time I preordered an HO engine without flinching.
Philip is divided in the fandom. I personally tolerate him. It could cut either way with a Bachmann model of him, but I don't think it'd be wise.
Out of all of these, I'd prefer Whiff and gladly have Stanley on preorder.
One final thing: I rewatched Tale Of The Brave last night, and while it'd be awesome seeing as I liked him, I think Gator has just as slim of a chance of having a Bachmann model produced as Norman does.
Quote from: JacobSK on April 06, 2024, 06:35:32 PMCharlie did play a heavy role in the Miller era, but after Season 18 was also relegated to the background. From my memory, Charlie wasn't well liked by fans, and was mostly tolerated in his Season 17 and 18 appearances. While he's got an attractive color palette, it isn't enough to produce a character that wasn't liked, then faded into the background.
Charlie is actually an interesting case. Despite being forgotten by the show he continued to thrive in the merch. In fact, he was one of the few characters that survived into the motorized/push along rebrand of 2020/2021. For comparison's sake, Ryan and Victor (as a single anyway, Victor survived in one push along multipack) did not get this luxury. Now idk if the other toy lines are something they would use for reference hence why I didn't mention it before, but it is certainly interesting. Would Bachmann even have this data or the other merch lines sales data? Probably not, but again, is interesting. In theory this would also make the Logging Locos a possibility since they're super popular in merch and MIR did super well financially merch wise, but I think they're far too intricate and unpopular to justify the tooling costs. Maybe if they ever do get that desperate though lol. This argument against them seems funny considering I proposed Norman of all characters but still. He has a lot going for him (plus he's technically in a trio with Pax and Sid so if they ever made the latter that might push him a bit up as well, forgot to mention that earlier) right now that very well could change. Lot of what ifs. If the model series rule, eye mechs, or tender engines prove favorable him, as well as Charlie would go way lower. Frankly hope the rules change though because I'd love the options to be more open. Would love a Molly personally, on top of the obvious terrier. Your model is very lovely Chaz, love how it came out.
Imma be honest the mandate is dumb since the show got rebooted I think that there is no purpose for the CGI mandate
Diesel 10 is a character I think could work if pinchy is flexible like the GG1 pantographs . He has not appeared in the show in a while but again the show is not relevant anyway . He also appeared in CGI and if made would be a best seller . If he could fit under tunnels which they could pull off he could be a perfect addition to the range
Whiff Nia Hiro Philip Norman Sidney Luke Victor Charlie Porter skiff Winston Sonny Belle Flynn are some more CGI characters I think could be made .
Model series stuff is now just as relevant as CGI some model characters they could make are
Hank K4 repaint
Molly
Duke
mighty Mac Bachmann Uk repaint
BoCo Murdoch Stepney proteus smudger Billy Dennis
Just get rid of the stupid CGI engines only mandate Mattel!
Im really sad i cant buy a iron arry and bert. I have just stumbled into the HO model trains of thomas the tank and trying to collect them all and i cant. its super frustrating. cant even find them for a premium price. I think Bachmann should consider releasing the discontinued items at a premeium and let us that did snatch them up pay or do a kickstarter to let us fund a run of trains.
Let's just re-introduce them, the prices are premium enough already.
fair enough. seeing what these things cost less than 10 years ago compared to now is a lot. especially their MSRP on their site compared to actual sites like train world or amazon
Gator is high on my wishlist of characters that I think Bachmann should consider making. I'd say he's probably had the same amount of screen time as Stanley (if not more). All around a great character, and a great design. If Bachmann can produce Stanley, then why not Gator?
Quote from: RailsByRick on April 12, 2024, 05:56:09 PMGator is high on my wishlist of characters that I think Bachmann should consider making. I'd say he's probably had the same amount of screen time as Stanley (if not more). All around a great character, and a great design. If Bachmann can produce Stanley, then why not Gator?
The difference between Stanley and Gator comes down to how often they were used. Gator just came and went after Tale of the Brave/season 18, whereas Stanley was introduced a lot earlier in the Great Discovery and has been used a lot more frequently since then.
Quote from: RailsByRick on April 12, 2024, 05:56:09 PMGator is high on my wishlist of characters that I think Bachmann should consider making. I'd say he's probably had the same amount of screen time as Stanley (if not more). All around a great character, and a great design. If Bachmann can produce Stanley, then why not Gator?
I mean Stanley has had 50 on screen appearances, including cameos, 10 of which include speaking roles. Gator had 4 including Tale of the Brave. I'd absolutely love Gator but Stanley was as mentioned used alot more. He's a Sodor engine compared to Gator being on the main land. Even Samson, Spencer, Connor and Caitln (other main land engines) appears more then Gator. After series 18 he's never even mentioned again
Gator would be cool but idk he really only appeared in a movie and maybe like 3 episodes characters like whiff are better options for another large tank engine
I think Chaz and Mulfred both hit it on the head: Despite Gator being a good character with a relatively good render (and a potential tooling that appears simple enough), he wasn't seen at all after TOTB/S18. Compare that to Stanley, whose only big role was The Great Discovery, he still made frequent appearances, even if most of them were in the background or minor speaking roles. He was seen right up until the final season, which makes sense to produce a model of him.
I liked Gator, but I think his main purpose was to sell toys for 2014. I commend them for still producing merch of him afterwards, but he served his function. TOTB is ten years old now. Gator is more of a forgotten memory than Rebecca (I only used her because her model is currently in production...).
I do think in theory there is something to said about Gator's potential popularity. He's continued to last into the merch, said merch/DOWT events most likely being why the cgi rule exists. It's still A version of Thomas being promoted by Mattel, while model series is basically dead and buried beyond Youtube uploads. I'd still argue the rule is dumb but I get why it exists. I do think Gator is too niche though unless demand here shoots up. Albeit I feel using lack of show appearances since season 18 gets tricky. Norman had supporting roles in 3 BWBA episodes all in the same season. Does that make him more likely than Whiff and Hiro who only had one? Answer is obviously no because of demand from fans here and on other social media platforms but let's just say that isn't a factor. Would that make Norman a better choice because of relevancy? I'm not sure how much the actual show appearances matter truth be told, I imagine the only factor that really matters is what fans at events, here, and so on pitch. Cause like. What Bachmann rep is going to go out of their way to check the episode appearances. If Gator's demand shot up here for whatever reason, I don't think his lack of recent appearances would limit him. Also because the show is over anyway.
TLDR: Gator probably not now, maybe not ever, but I wouldn't rule him out entirely just because he didn't appear more post season 18. I think that's the least important factor when deciding a Bachamnn engine. Fan demand is the big one and I've seen, literally no one request him until this hypothetical so that really speaks for itself now doesn't it.
Personally I think the CGI mandate has been irrelevant since the day all engine go came out . I think it's about time Bachmann looked into making characters like Stepney or BoCo while still making CGI characters like Hiro or Sidney . I do think he changes needed in the contract, especially since I don't think any parent is spending over $100 on Rebecca for there 5 year old son . While I do think some kids get the starter set . This line has clearly been for us fans being marked 8+ which at that age probably have a clue who characters like Stepney and BoCo are . By the time I was eight I knew the likes of Wilbert and Culdee .
So did I but we grew up in different times where there was no CGI mandates on merchandise and other merchandise wasn't afraid to tackle that. Just because we recognised something as an 8 year old doesn't mean 8 year olds today will. We take it for granted just how much Thomas was everywhere growing up, toy sections were full, there was always DVDs and VHS tapes available with older and newer episodes, there was always RWS books available to buy and pretty much every episode was available on YouTube. An 8 year old today would have been born around season 21 and look at the difference. I agree that the CGI mandate is silly but I also get it from a business prospective.
YouTube makes that mandate irrelevant. Especially because the classics always do better. AEG was the final nail in the coffin for defending that mandate imo.
If what we see happening continues, more model stuff being found like from the pilot, if the 80th anniversary leans into the models, then I think that mandate will be a thing of the past.
Quote from: thomasj219 on April 20, 2024, 08:52:40 AMYouTube makes that mandate irrelevant. Especially because the classics always do better. AEG was the final nail in the coffin for defending that mandate imo.
How exactly? Mattel culled most of the episodes that were uploaded to different channels. If anything it's the polar opposite now. It's harder for people to find model series stuff.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on April 20, 2024, 02:48:18 AMAn 8 year old today would have been born around season 21 and look at the difference.
Thanks for making me feel old today.
Mattel still has the classics on the Thomas and friends classic channel and on Amazon prime . So don't worry lol back to the topic on future stuff
what about large scale toad
why don't they have the seasons 7-15 on amazon prime though?
Quote from: Coaltronn on April 25, 2024, 05:13:41 PMwhy don't they have the seasons 7-15 on amazon prime though?
Not sure why Amazon has never added seasons 8-15, but Roku recently added a new live channel called "PBS Retro" and they are currently airing season 7/8 episode programs PBS Kids made back in 2004. Season 9 episodes will be airing there in May.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on April 22, 2024, 03:56:24 PMwhat about large scale toad
As much fun as that would be, I can't see them doing Toad in large scale before Henrietta considering that she's been in higher demand and her tooling could be reused for Hannah while Toad wouldn't offer any other recolor option.
Hannah is a good idea for HO tbh there are some coaches we could see in HO here are some of my picks
• Blue Annie and clarabel - as seen in the great race
•Slip coaches - three face variants
•Work unit coach - green blue and orange
•Faceless brown coaches- same color as A&C
•Herenttia with face
•Hannah - Henrietta repaint with new face and lamp on side
•Dexter- red brake coach repaint with face
•An Ann - Annie repaint with face
•Yin-Long - Annie repaint with face
•Gordon's special coaches - express coaches repaint
•Green express coach with buffet - green composite coach with buffet lettering on side
If they do a buffet coach for both the green and red coaches, I personally hope they do a new sculpt.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on April 20, 2024, 10:07:58 AMQuote from: thomasj219 on April 20, 2024, 08:52:40 AMYouTube makes that mandate irrelevant. Especially because the classics always do better. AEG was the final nail in the coffin for defending that mandate imo.
How exactly? Mattel culled most of the episodes that were uploaded to different channels. If anything it's the polar opposite now. It's harder for people to find model series stuff.
Sorry this took so long.
Them calling those videos is exactly the point. They are uploading them on their own, they have classic Thomas options now.
Trust me the brand will be split very soon by age group. All engines go is aimed very young and leaves a large gap in the market that they will want to fill.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on April 26, 2024, 11:50:49 AMHannah is a good idea for HO tbh there are some coaches we could see in HO here are some of my picks
• Blue Annie and clarabel - as seen in the great race
•Slip coaches - three face variants
•Work unit coach - green blue and orange
•Faceless brown coaches- same color as A&C
•Herenttia with face
•Hannah - Henrietta repaint with new face and lamp on side
•Dexter- red brake coach repaint with face
•An Ann - Annie repaint with face
•Yin-Long - Annie repaint with face
•Gordon's special coaches - express coaches repaint
•Green express coach with buffet - green composite coach with buffet lettering on side
The slip coaches would be an awesome rolling stock piece to go along with Duck. And they all have 3 pretty distinct faces so they'd be a good pick for new OO rolling stock tool.
An-an and Yin-long are pretty niche, plus would require some mods so I doubt they'd be chosen. I'd like An-an though. For a weird reason. I want to own merch of every vehicle that has been produced, the only two I'm missing now are ERTL Jock and Motorized Railway An-an. Since the MR one is a bit expensive getting a Bachmann release would make my life easier, so would a capsule though. Not picky I just want one.
Hi. I'm currently new to this Bachmann forum. And yes, I'm a big Thomas and friends fan. Anyway, I agree with everyone that Edward and Henry would be next for N scale from Thomas and friends. And I also strongly agree that the cgi mandate is unfair. Plus the cgi mandate is irrelevant and unnecessary, especially considering how the show was rebooted in the first place.
Henry I belive is next my predictions for the NMRA 2024 N scale announcements are the following
Henry
1 plank wagon with brendam cargo and freight crate
1 plank wagon with Sodor steam works crate
Thomas saves Santa's sleigh set
With N Scale Gordon and Emily due for release by the end of the year, as well as Henrietta, progress has to have been started on Diesel/Paxton by this point, and we should see an unpainted sample by the end of the year. I still hope N Scale Henry gets announced this NMRA. If not, then for sure the 2025 catalog. More N Scale rolling stock is bound to be announced this NMRA, like some non-troublesome variants of the 7-plank wagons (which we desperately need), Red Coaches, or a 20-Ton Brake Van. If another new tooling gets announced for HO Scale this NMRA, or the 2025 catalog, the best choices would be Whiff or Nia, or for rolling stock, the Works Unit Coach, which can be made in green, orange and blue. Winston in HO Scale would also be a great choice with the figure packs in mind; Sir Topham Hatt can drive him.
Doug said there were currently no big plans for the 80th Anniversary at this time, since they're still catching up on lots of previously announced products that haven't been released yet. Fortunately, many of them will be released by the end of the year if all goes well. Beau is supposed to arrive in stock by the end of June. Unpainted samples of Stanley and Sir Handel are on the way, and bound to be revealed this summer. We've already seen HO Scale Rebecca, as well as N Scale Emily and Henrietta fully painted; awaiting delivery dates. Sir Topham Hatt's Car is in the unpainted stage, and we'll soon see all four 12-Ton Vans painted.
Whiff is someone cool that we should see soon . The only other characters that appear in both model and CGI engine wise that Bachmann has yet to do is havery whiff and diesel 10 . Whiff could be hard to put his glasses on his face .Harvey is super tall and I doubt he could happen . Diesel 10 would be a best seller but the claw is hard however diesel 10 could fit NMRA standards if they put his claw infont of the cab windows and make it removable .
So Diesel 10 and whiff could happen if Bachmann figures out a way which I am sure they will considering they have gotten brake rigging on rebbecca .
I do think this years NMRA is gonna be quiet. My picks for this years NMRA for HO is the following
Arry
Bert
Well wagon with Bert the miniature engine load
Troublesome truck #7
I would love to have the well wagon sold again.
I would just love to see the TAR tanker wagon reintroduced.
Wow. New website. It's nice. Sad to see the old design go though.
Due to the huge backlog of products I doubt we will many huge projects anytime soon .
However there are some retooling or repaints we could see .
Glow in the dark Henry - from Henry in the dark
Smudger - he only appears in the model series however he is a simple repaint with a new face and could be a great limited release item
As for some rolling stock from Bachmann UK that they could bring into the range.
Bradford
BR 22 ton hopper
Sidney and flying Scotsman are some others
Flying Scotsman - could reuse Gordon's chasis but would need a new shell and tender mold . Water tender could be sold separately.
Sidney - could reuse Paxton and diesels shell but would need a new eye mech
Bachmann just recently released Beau, as well as the Large Scale Toby's Museum Coaches, so that's a few products out. Other products with painted samples like Rebecca, 12-Ton Vans, N Scale Gordon and Emily (along with her coaches) as well as Henrietta, are expected to be available by the end of the year if all goes well. Products that still don't have unpainted samples shown include Stanley, Open Carriage, Bulgy, Sir Handel, Duncan, Narrow Gauge High-Side Wagons, Gondolas, Gunpowder Wagons, N Scale Diesel/Paxton and Express Coaches. That's unfortunately still quite a bit that hasn't even been shown unpainted. They said they would be getting the unpainted samples of Sir Handel and Stanley soon, considering they both had designs ready, but it hasn't been soon enough, especially for Sir Handel, which has already been 2 1/2 years without a single sample shown. Must be a new record. Sir Handel has to be the longest it's ever taken to get an unpainted sample. The N Scale Express Coaches are still not up for pre-order.
With that list of products that still haven't even been shown unpainted, I really have no idea what to expect this NMRA, or even the 2025 catalog. With so much fallen behind on, there's still currently no big plans for the 80th Anniversary. If anything, we could get more repaints. Sidney needs to finally happen in HO Scale, since he would reuse Diesel's tooling, but would need a new eye mechanism. N Scale desperately needs non-troublesome variants of the 7-Plank Wagons, like red, blue, or green with a coal load. If we absolutely CAN'T get N Scale Henry or Edward at this time, due to so many other new molds not being ready yet, Bachmann may just have to settle on N Scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James, so they'd have something for the 80th Anniversary, even if it has to be repaints like those. As much as I want N Scale Edward and Henry, it may be a while before either of them get announced. For HO Scale, if Rebecca proves to be a popular seller, Bachmann may consider Hiro.
I'm really hoping that the cgi mandate will come to an end at some point in future. I'm honestly getting tired of the cgi mandate and I'm clearly failing to see how characters like Duke, Stepney, Boco, etc would sell poorly in the Thomas and friends Bachmann range.
Even Thomas and friends characters like fearless Freddie, proteus, Bertram, mighty mac, and smudger would sell really well, especially considering that they are characters from the model series from Thomas and friends.
The cgi mandate needs to go!
I mean if they keep the mandate I feel as if they need to use the characters that they're given. I mean if they wanna go with a model they probably already have a base for Connor and Caitlin could be an option! But if they also want to use newer CGI characters any of the experimental engines or the Steel Mill engines from Journey beyond Sodor, that might just be because I am biased and would easily buy a hurricane model in a heartbeat! And if they want to keep adding to their narrow gauge line while also using characters that were introduced in CGI they could go With characters like Luke or Millie, really they've got a lot of wild options if they keep the mandate, but i understand why people want them to get rid of it. Oh and adding whiff to the lineup would be cool, he's somehow still relevant I guess?
Well, what would happen when Bachmann eventually runs out of viable cgi characters for the Thomas and friends Bachmann range? If that happens in future, we are hoping that Bachmann can make the best choice and finally make Stepney, Boco, Duke, etc. I'd love to see that happen at some point in the future, but right now, I'm currently not that hopeful at this time.
In the meantime, we can settle for characters like whiff, Stanley, and hiro. And perhaps Norman and Stephen as well.
Also, here's a list of rolling stock from Thomas and friends we would love to see be made in HO SCALE.
1. Old coaches (from season 1)
2. Hector the hopper truck
3. The jet engine (from season 6)
4. The Chinese dragon (from season 3)
Just to name a few.
Just putting this out there again. I'm fully aware there are some NMRA guidelines that may prohibit these suggestions, but Bachmann, you would be printing money if you figured out a way to produce Diesel 10 and/or Harvey. Fans are clamoring for these two to be made, and both meet the CGI character mandate.
If Diesel 10 were ever to be produced, I've already decided I would pre-order 10 immediately. Gotta support what you love!
Again, I'm fully aware these may not be possible, but just imagine the possibilities.
Quote from: RailsByRick on June 18, 2024, 08:46:55 PMJust putting this out there again. I'm fully aware there are some NMRA guidelines that may prohibit these suggestions, but Bachmann, you would be printing money if you figured out a way to produce Diesel 10 and/or Harvey. Fans are clamoring for these two to be made, and both meet the CGI character mandate.
If Diesel 10 were ever to be produced, I've already decided I would pre-order 10 immediately. Gotta support what you love!
Again, I'm fully aware these may not be possible, but just imagine the possibilities.
I couldn't agree more. Might I add that contrary to what's been said in the past, Harvey the Crane Engine would definitely be doable. The reason being is because Bachmann model characters based on their CGI renders and Harvey's render is smaller than his model counterpart and is more accurate in size to his real life basis. If made as a model, he'd be shorter than the likes of Diesel and Daisy in terms of height and the ability to lower his hook could work by turning the cog on his side exactly how the two knobs on the side of the Bachmann Cranky work.
I dunno, I just feel like Harvey is the next best choice for a standard gauge model as he's a fan favourite, a classic character that returned and remained relevant in the CGI Series, could feature a cool gimmick along with the moving eyes and due to his CGI render, he wouldn't be breaching any NMRA Guidelines. What do y'all think?
I had no idea Harvey's CGI model is smaller than his physical model. That would be a nice loophole to get him made. The idea of having a knob on the side to lower the hook is very cool! I would just hope it'd be much smaller and less distracting than the knobs on Cranky.
Do your thing, Bachmann!
Regarding Harvey size could in theory be a concern because he might be too small, or too weird with the crane to be able to fit in an eyemech.
However. We have a solution. Beau doesn't have an eyemech but is specifically billed as having operating lamp to get around not having that gimmick. So if moving eyes were too hard for Harvey. He could simply be "Harvey without moving eyes, with poseable crane arm." Thus he still has a gimmick but it's not the eyemech. Of course this might not even be necessary, he could work fine, but figured it was worth shouting out.
I don't think they'd make his hook moveable though just cause of the size. Might be too hard to make look good and not super breakable.
If this is the case, I could see Harvey and diesel 10 be in the next models Bachmann could make both are popular toys both having toys at the very end when all the stuff was discontinued In favor of the reboot .
Remember, the best way to communicate to Bachmann about the items we want is to keep the conversation going!
Harvey is a highly requested engine that meets the CGI only mandate. He would undoubtedly do well if Bachmann were to produce him, as he appeals to classic and CGI era fans.
As for other items that Bachmann could do in the near future, I and many others would love Trevor. Another necessary non-rail vehicle. Although seeing how long Bulgy is taking with no updates as of yet, I don't know how likely this would be.
For repaints, I'd love to see the return of Celebration Thomas for the 80th anniversary.
Two more (controversial) repaints I really want to see are blue Bill and Ben, and Green Salty. I know these only appeared in one episode each, but so did Busy Bee James. I just think they'd be really neat and cost effective.
Doug Blaine hasn't confirmed that Harvey CAN'T be made, so he is still very much a possibility, and he would also be a very welcome addition to the HO Scale range, since he appeared in both the model and CGI series. Harvey may not have moving eyes, but neither did Beau, who had a working headlight instead, so Harvey's gimmick can be the operating crane, which can rotate, and the gear can be the knob that brings the hook up and down. That shouldn't be too hard for Bachmann. They've made HO Scale rail cranes outside the Thomas range, and Harvey is just one that's self-propelled, so there isn't anything really holding them back from making Harvey. If Harvey gets announced, that would open up the possibility of Diesel 10, with an operating claw; another character Doug Blaine hasn't deconfirmed, despite his gimmick.
For HO Scale recolors, if a new tooling isn't viable at this time since we still haven't seen Stanley yet, Sidney can be made. Although Sidney would reuse Diesel's tooling, his eye mechanism has to be fixed. Blue Bill and Ben, as well as Green Salty, are rather niche recolors, but still doable. Like you said, they only appeared in one episode, but so did Busy Bee James. Plus we have Yellow Rheneas, which only appeared at the end of one special.
I do belive there was a statement said about diesel 10 I think they could figure out a way around this . Him and havery sound like great options and would become best sellers . if you put pinchy infront of the cab windows it could likely work . Harvey idk how they could do him but I would love to see them both and if they can figure out how to do them they must be the next engines in the range and my picks for 2025 . I also think diesel 10 could just have a removable claw .
Now as for repaint engine wise
Glow in the dark Henry
Modified tooling could see smudger or Sidney
Nia and whiff could happen soon along with an Arry and Bert rerelease
In summery the engines I think could happen soon are
Diesel 10 with removable claw
Glow in the dark Henry
Smudger
Sidney
Havery without moving eyes but rotatable crane
Arry and Bert
Nia
Whiff
Giving Diesel 10 a removable, but posable, claw would be ideal if it is an issue for NMRA standards. I just know how positively the community would react if he was announced, and he would absolutely be one of the best selling models Bachmann has ever produced. Bachmann, the money is on the table. I'm patiently standing by to pre-order. Diesel 10 would absolutely be a wise decision for a newly tooled locomotive.
As for Harvey, I agree it would be acceptable to omit the moving eye mechanism for a posable crane arm. I think Bachmann should get further away from the moving eye gimmick as it only complicates the mechanisms and puts more strain on the models. The same applies for Diesel 10.
For Narrow Gauge rolling stock, two repaints of existing toolings that still haven't been announced yet are a Brown Brake Van and Box Van. We still need those. They got other Narrow Gauge rolling stock in brown coming, so why not a brake van and box van in brown? They could be announced in the NMRA, or the 2025 catalog. I don't see why not, since the tooling is already there. There are three new Narrow Gauge rolling stock toolings that still haven't been shown unpainted, being the Gondolas, High-Side Wagons, and Gunpowder Wagons, but the former two did have progress made. Still waiting for them to be shown unpainted with Sir Handel. The CGI mandate is the only thing holding Bachmann back from making recolors like Smudger. Once Sir Handel finally does get shown, we can hope progress has been started on Duncan; another new tooling, which was announced last year.
Diesel 10 would be a huge seller in HO Scale. Mattel has to let Bachmann make Diesel 10, considering he appeared in both model and CGI. To meet NMRA standards, some compromises would have to be made to the claw, like making it removable. Can still be posable, but not perfect. He could become the second larger diesel for the HO Scale range. Someone needs to ask Doug about the possibility of characters like Harvey and Diesel 10, and how to get models like them to meet NMRA standards. Those two, along with Nia and Whiff, are the best choices for newly-tooled engines in the HO Scale range, and if Rebecca sells good, Hiro can be considered. Harvey, Diesel 10 and Whiff are the only engines left for the HO Scale range that appeared in both model and CGI.
I actually would love to buy a newly-tooled Bachmann Harvey and diesel 10 as well as whiff in HO scale as those characters originally appeared in the model series of Thomas and friends. I absolutely would pay good money for models of those characters.
But now I couldn't help but wonder which Thomas and friends characters Bachmann will make next after Harvey, diesel 10, and whiff? Well, I'm sure we will eventually find out in future, won't we.
I would also buy Hiro as well.
I was going to ask whether Bachmann would be able to create the red composite and brake express coaches which are the same as the original in 2006 different to the 2nd design 2022 and the new design will be red doors black rooftops with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series Henry pulls them in episode cows Percy and the signal Duck Takes Charge The Runaway Better Late Than Never Henry's Forest Edward pulls them in episode Old Iron Duck pulls them in Pop Goes the Diesel and James pulls them in episode Edwards Exploit I would like to see Gordon's express composite and brake coaches which are the same as the original in the 1st design green doors and black rooftops but with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series first episode Thomas Percy and the coal to Thomas and the missing Christmas tree 1986 if you like the idea please let me know thanks
Here are these predictions for Limited Release Rolling Stock
Knapford Express Composite and Brake Coaches
Limited Edition Festival Coaches
Musical Caboose
Ice Delivery Cars
Sodor Celebration Caboose
Halloween Open Wagon with Load of Pumpkins
Sodor Museum Cars
Plus to Come in the Future
Here are predictors for some future products for later this year and 2025
Diesel 10 with removable claw
Arry and Bert rerelease
Glow in the dark Henry
Trevor
Cattle car Circus
Cattle car brown
Cattle car pink
Trouble truck #7 van
Lei
Judy
Jerome
Faceless classic breakdown crane
Works unit coach green
Works unit coach blue
Work unit coach orange
Gordon's special coach composite
Gordon's special coach break
DCC Thomas and Percy set
Narrow gauge set with skarloey 2 trucks and a exclusive brown NG break van
HO Scale:
1. Reintroduced TAR Tanker Wagon
2. Troublesome Truck #7
3. Old Coaches (Composite and Brake)
4. Toffee Tanker Wagon
5. Chocolate Syrup Tanker Wagon
6. Reintroduced 'Arry and Bert
7. Lei
8. Reintroduced Ice Cream Van
9. Circus Cattle Car
Narrow Gauge:
1. Victor
2. Millie
3. Luke
N Scale:
1. Edward
2. Henry
3. Tar Tanker Wagon
4. Milk Tanker Wagon
5. Brake Van
6. Spiteful Brake Van
7. Oliver
8. Duck
9. Sidney
Large Scale:
1. Edward
2. Mavis
3. Henrietta
4. Sidney
Been thinking about future releases in the rolling stock department . Tankers we have a ton of tankers 7 on total compared to 2 cattle cars . So I think More cattle cars are needed for the 2024 NMRA
Meaning that there are more versions of James then cattle cars options
My pics for the solutions to this problem are
Circus cattle car
McColls Cattle car
Farmer trotter cattle car
The circus one is a good option since the circus vans have been so popular and they have not even came out yet
McColls cattle car was a cancelled item from 2017 but unlike g scale diesel this item never happened . And I think it deserves a chance and could also fit in with the new figure picks
Farmer trotter cattle car - pink wagon with farm logo
This could work for the same reason as McColls ones
Good point. We definitely need more cattle cars.
I think Bachmann would be working on Thomas Cabooses in HO/OO Scale and N Scale at some point in the future. I didn't get a chance to get these Thomas Cabooses from Shapeways for last time. Shapeways Website isn't working right now! Just chill and calm down, okay.
Quote from: BubbleBuddyFan on July 06, 2024, 11:28:04 PMI think Bachmann would be working on Thomas Cabooses in HO/OO Scale and N Scale at some point in the future. I didn't get a chance to get these Thomas Cabooses from Shapeways for last time. Shapeways Website isn't working right now! Just chill and calm down, okay.
Shapeways is filing for bankruptcy.
Here is my final NMRA prediction / hopes as the show is next month
HO scale
Arry
Bert
Troublesome truck 7 van
Lei
McColls cattle van
Circus cattle van
Narrow gauge
Skalroey set
Comes with skaloey , slate wagon with blue mountain quarry slate load, and brown brakevan
It would come with a loop of narrow gauge track
Exclusive Set products
Blue slate load
Brown narrow gauge brakevan
N scale
Henry
Sodor coal wagon with coal load
Sodor scrap wagon
Mining wagon
Spikeful brakevan
I have no idea what's taking over 2 1/2 years just for them to have an unpainted sample of Sir Handel, but they already got Stanley in the unpainted stage in less than a year since he was announced. Maybe he was much easier to make.
If any new Narrow Gauge products get announced, they'd have to be made from existing toolings, like Narrow Gauge Brown and Gray Brake Vans and Box Vans. Bachmann can easily make those since the tooling for that already exists. Nothing is holding them back for those.
It's not likely that N Scale Edward or Henry will get announced this NMRA, considering we haven't heard any updates on N Scale Diesel yet, but they're much more likely to get announced for the 2025 catalog. If any N Scale rolling stock gets announced, they could be Red Express Coaches, or the regular Red Coaches, along with non-troublesome open wagons in blue, red, and green with a coal load. Let's not forget some generic 20-Ton Brake Vans in dark gray, light gray, or brown. Any of these could be possible. A Christmas N Scale Thomas set is also possible.
HO Scale is anyone's guess for what comes next. A repaint like Sidney (but with an altered eye mechanism), along with new toolings like Nia or Whiff. Doug Blaine still hasn't acknowledged whether or not Harvey or Diesel 10 are possible because of their attachments. The latter three mentioned characters are the only ones left who appeared in both model and CGI. If Rebecca sells well, Hiro can be considered. As for rolling stock, the best new tooling would be the Works Unit Coach; in green, orange and blue. The Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers are still exclusive to Large Scale. Some good choices for repaints include the Italian Blue Coaches, Gordon's Special Coaches, and Troublesome Truck #7 being made from a 12-Ton Van.
It was said on Bachmann's New Model Monday stream the other week that if the fans have any suggestions for future models, they can email them to Bachmann directly.
I've sent an email last week, and in said email I expressed a want for an HO Scale Harvey and/or Diesel 10 from the fans.
They said on the stream that the more requests there are for a model, the more likely they are to produce it. So, if anyone else would like to add Harvey and/or Diesel 10 to their collection, then I'd highly recommend sending them an email.
I'd be really happy if the contract changes and the cgi mandate finally comes to an end, so that we can finally get model series exclusive characters from Thomas and friends, including stepney, Boco, Duke, etc. Because like I said, I'm really getting tired of the cgi mandate. Also, it's possible that the T&F AEG series would come to an end next year, I could be wrong about that though. Makes me wonder if there's any hope left of the cgi mandate ending in the future. In the meantime, we can settle for characters like Harvey, diesel 10, and whiff, as well as hiro.
Additionally, at some point, Bachmann will eventually run out of cgi options for Thomas and friends characters, and that Mattel will have to let Bachmann make non cgi characters, including stepney, Boco, and Duke. This includes narrow gauge engines as well.
Mattel can't stop Bachmann from making non cgi characters forever. Right?
I do hope Bachmann will consider Hiro as an upcoming HO locomotive. It actually blows my mind how Rebecca was chosen to be the next big tender engine before him. Hiro's a very well established, fan-favorite character who also has global appeal.
Not to mention Bachmann has the potential to produce two models from one tooling if they were to produce a "good as new" Hiro and then a "patchwork" Hiro- which I could see being just as popular (if not more) than a standard Hiro. Overall, I'd say Hiro would be a very wise new tooling investment for Bachmann.
Quote from: mtrocke88 on July 16, 2024, 09:52:28 PMAdditionally, at some point, Bachmann will eventually run out of cgi options for Thomas and friends characters, and that Mattel will have to let Bachmann make non cgi characters, including stepney, Boco, and Duke. This includes narrow gauge engines as well.
Mattel can't stop Bachmann from making non cgi characters forever. Right?
I mean in theory with standard gauge they can go on forever with cgi only. Bachmann Gabriella for 2046. Maybe not the best options but they could. Doesn't mean they should. And I hope this restriction is lifted. While there are a lot of cgi characters I still want I don't want Stepney barred forever
My thoughts exactly. I'm really glad you and the other fans agree with me on this. We really don't want stepney, Boco, Duke, etc to be barred from being made forever. If and when Bachmann finally does run out of viable cgi characters, we hope Bachmann can make the best choice and finally make Stepney, Boco, Duke, etc with new tooling. As for cgi characters like Gabriella, they could make that character, but I don't really recommend it, especially since there was little to no demand for that character to be made to begin with, at least not yet. At least that's what I think. But I'll still buy a Bachmann hiro as well.
There are some exceptions of cgi characters I want from Thomas and friends though. Those exceptions include hiro, Stephen, Glynn, Samson, Luke, victor, etc. just to name a few.
I would pay good money for those products too.
Even so, for Thomas fans who want a bachmann Gabriella, I fully accept and respect that.
15 days till the NMRA what is gonna be I really wanna here some peoples ideas for this .
If I were to revise my predictions .here are they I am gonna try not to do more of these predictions but I really want to open the discussion.
HO scale
Iron Arry
Iron Bert
Circus cattle van
McColls cattle van
Trotter cattle van
Troublesome truck 7
N scale
Henry
Mining wagon
Sodor coal co wagon
Sodor scrap wagon
I really would like to see what you all think we could see
My list is basically the similar with a possible reintroduction of Arry and Bert in HO, but if they opt to only announce rolling stock this summer then I wouldn't be surprised.
For N scale I'm expecting Henry like everyone else, but I'm kind of leaning towards no new engine in N this summer since Gordon and Emily won't be out til the end of the year. I'd be more willing to bet on N scale Henry and Edward both getting announced early next year for the anniversary.
I'm sure we'll get some N scale rolling stock this summer, but I'm hoping they'll do the original coal wagon with load and the blue and red open wagons first before doing the wagons with decals that you mentioned earlier. A brake van would be nice too in N scale too but otherwise that's about it.
Personally I do not expect to see Iron 'Arry and Iron Bert come back this year... Between Rebecca and Stanley making great progress, and Salty's reintroduction being more troubled than anticipated... I think a new tool loco wouldn't be unreasonable for this year's HO announcements... Nia would be my choice if I were in Bachmann's shoes... With her being the highest-billed character that they can make but have yet to commit to, doing her now instead of later will open up more options for the future...
I do agree with Henry and unlettered open wagons as the optimal choice for N Scale's announcements... N Scale has also made good progress this year with the remaining 2022 models slated for delivery before the end of the year... It would be nice for it to receive some more forward momentum this year...
The "highest Billed Character" ???
Most billing right now could be Sidney. We have a huge backlog we have yet to see sir Handel Duncan and bulgy . Along with a lot of rolling stock.
Sidney could be easy if they use diesel/paxton shell . And nice it a new eye mech a small peice to block the gap covered by the face , and a new face . And of course a new paint .if we were to get a new engine right now it should be Sidney
Tbh rather then us just wagons with printing the N scale open wagons could be the following
mining wagon with coal load
Green wagon with coal load
Sodor scrap wagon
Red wagon
I do think they need a new N scale engine to keep the ball rolling and my pick is Henry as diesel and Paxton could be in the physical protype stage by the end of the year . And we know the express coaches are in development.
"Higher Billing" is entertainment industry lingo, clearly I need to watch my language... What it means is that she is a higher profile character, being one of the ten main cast characters from the 3D-animated show. Since nine of the ten are either already in the HO 'Thomas' line-up, it gives her a leg up on the various secondary characters and troves of tertiary characters that aren't in the series yet, at least in terms of demand and relevance of choice... Budget is clearly another matter given Stanley's announcement last year. But with the amount of obscure picks we all want to see introduced to the line, having Nia be greenlit before any of them will give them better odds in the years to come. It's easier to convince executives to greenlight a side-character once you've exhausted all your leads...
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on July 27, 2024, 09:27:55 PM"Higher Billing" is entertainment industry lingo, clearly I need to watch my language... What it means is that she is a higher profile character, being one of the ten main cast characters from the 3D-animated show. Since nine of the ten are either already in the HO 'Thomas' line-up, it gives her a leg up on the various secondary characters and troves of tertiary characters that aren't in the series yet, at least in terms of demand and relevance of choice... Budget is clearly another matter given Stanley's announcement last year. But with the amount of obscure picks we all want to see introduced to the line, having Nia be greenlit before any of them will give them better odds in the years to come. It's easier to convince executives to greenlight a side-character once you've exhausted all your leads...
I work in the entertainment industry, which is why I took note of that phrase. That makes no sense in this context as it's an Inanimate object. Not an actor who is billed. If you mean the most profitable character, there's a difference there. But I would also disagree with that.
I believe N scale Sudrian means Nia is the highest character in the overall character ranking left to make. She's an actual main, still is in AEG. She's the only character in the model series and CGI series that was a main that is currently missing. Kids love her I've learned on my travels around Europe and my own volunteer experience, and she has plenty of fans fandom side as well. I'd say I'm one of them. She might not necessarily be the most "popular" character left to do, but as a main that shoots her up priority wise. The only other character I'd argue rivals her in terms of that position is Hiro. But he A. isn't a main and B. is dependent on how Rebecca does sales wise according to Doug on previous livestreams. Highest billing probably isn't the most accurate turn of phrase but it gets the point across she's the highest priority character let for Bachmann to make.
And I disagree with that too. She may be the highest priority for the owning company, but not for Bachmann. Not only is her basis incredibly complicated when it comes to side rods, which will make it very difficult for kids not to break as well as expensive, she's not as popular as people would like you to believe. I don't dislike her, but she's sort of character and believe me Bachmann knows this. They'll make her if they have to, but it will be an if they have to
Just to be candid, there are no safe choices left.
They're going to get more out there by necessity. Stepney, Hiro, and BoCo would be safe choices but they're off the table for time being right now. Hiro less so than the other two of course but until we get actual sales data for Rebecca he's iffy.
Sidney has weird face issues.
The Iron Twins risk running into the same issues as Salty.
Whiff would require potentially really fragile glasses and has a really unique wheel config that would require a complicated mechanism, the issue they ran into with N Emily.
Nia is a pretty intricate design.
Harvey has his crane arm to worry about.
D10 is bigger in CGI than Rebecca even without the claw. So, he's simply too big.
Charlie, Norman, and Porter would probably be easier, but no one here really has asked for those yet.
I guess there's no issues with Fernando, but let's be real here for a second, it's Fernando.
So like. No matter what they're in risky territory. And frankly I wouldn't be surprised if a requirement Mattel gave them is that they have to make both Nia and Rebecca before they even consider letting them do non-cgi characters again when they renegotiated the contract in 2022.
And I think Stanley being announced after Rebecca was intentional. He was the last safe choice they had left. Sandwich him between Rebecca who is risky, and someone else who is also risky. That could be literally anyone of the ones listed. But given the big thing they pressed during the Rebecca and Beau catalog Thomas Tuesday was "relevancy and recognizability with kids" I'm thinking Nia has to be next for a new tool. Feel free to disagree because I can also make the argument for like, Whiff next cause he's also pretty major right now. 08's also can happen at any time but imagine they'll be saved for a bit. We'll see though. I'm not too terribly picky with character choices I just like seeing this line evolve.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see won't we ;)
Since nothing if safe I gonna go by lowest risk / high popularity
Diesel 10 and Nia are the 2 character i hope Bachmann does next .
Judy and Jerome are some others I want to see very soon .
Glow in the dark Henry and Emily with 12 are some variants I want to see
Lastly what about a brake coach for Spencer something I think we need badly.
The tar tank should joust be reintroduced for HO scale.
I've got my list for what I'd like to see at NMRA next week. While we've got updates on FOUR products, there is still got a long way to go in terms of getting caught up. This NMRA should be another catch up. Keeping expectations in check...
HO:
'Arry and Bert (but only if they look like the original prototypes)
Tar Tanker
Narrow gauge:
SKIP
N:
Red express coaches
Original coal wagon
Red open wagon
Blue open wagon
British track cleaning brake vans
G:
SKIP
With the 80th Anniversary being next year, we should have all the stops be pulled out for that.
So I was going to make a thread about the HO container cars and how Diesel 10 would actually fit tonight.
Then Doug Blaine just confirmed NMRA standards don't matter. And that the problem with D10 is actually the price. Same with Harvey. But he seemed more confident in Harvey happening sooner based on the wording. This is huge. D10 they said is too expensive for the average consumer to buy, and that they know people here will buy it. But might not be worth pursuing do to the nicheness. Not a hard no though, for either. This also opens up the table back for Rocky, Judy, and Jerome which is awesome. This doesn't really change my predictions for this NMRA. Still feeling N scale Henry, still feeling rolling stock in HO and N, and Nia. Now that we know Stanley is using Thomas's chassis I don't think we'll get an 08. We might not get anything at all this catalog. But I think the next engine will be someone complicated. But this is at least confirmation Harvey and D10 aren't anytime soon, and it's unlikely to be Hiro YET. That leaves Nia and Whiff I think. Who wins we'll see. Stanley and the human figures also look so nice. The chassis reuse is also interesting, is there anyone left in cgi that can apply to? I don't admittedly know.
Thinking about it. Maybe making D10 a limited run like Beau could be an option. Limited run for us, if he does well maybe reconsider from there. That's probably the best option
That sounds like a good idea, having a bachmann diesel 10 as a limited edition item to start with, and if that successfully sells well, it can become a permanent edition to the Thomas and friends Bachmann range. But after diesel 10, Harvey, Nia, hiro, and whiff, I wonder which Thomas and friends character will be made next in HO scale? That, I'm not too sure.
I posted this on Twitter, but I'll post it here too. Guys, keep fighting for Diesel 10 and Harvey. We are so close.
Doug acknowledged the demand for Diesel 10 and Harvey on tonight's stream. He said the tooling costs and MSRP would just be too high to be sustainable.
I have to disagree. Diesel 10 especially would sell like absolute crazy, even if he ended up being more pricey.
John had a great story tonight. He said he called Bachmann numerous times to suggest they make Duck. And eventually it happened because there was a strong demand from fans.
I am by no means suggesting to pester Bachmann, but the more demand there is for an item, the more likely Bachmann will be willing to listen. I believe we are extremely close to a potential Diesel 10 and/or Harvey. The fact that they have been on Bachmann's radar is evidence enough. We just have to keep showing our support, and making it known that there is interest and a market.
I don't think we even have to fight for Harvey too hard, they basically said it's a yet. My prediction for order will be Nia, Whiff, Harvey in terms of new molds that feels right. Just keep requesting him. D10 though, now that we know size isn't an issue. We can much more easily make our demand known.
I k ow I w said about Murdoch so many time, but I really think that with people clambering for him and got how much he's been listed for when he does pop up on eBay, I think Mattel should worry about redemption and back off on the cgi era only rule and allow him as well as other characters to be made since they had a big part in that disaster known as all engines go. And to think that their reasons for that show was to target children, which is honestly bogus considering the whole franchise in general which includes those other characters that keep pushed aside was ALWAYS a children show. And the constant introduction of new characters is why people still love it the franchise even as adults (myself included). I really think Murdoch and even flying Scotsman with both tenders would sell extraordinarily well. Even if they had to sell the water tender separately as a piece of rolling stock (which I think also would sell well itself since they are so rare on eBay as well
I strongly agree on that. I think mattel should give up and end the cgi mandate so that Murdoch, stepney, Boco, Duke, etc can finally get made in the Thomas and friends Bachmann range, especially since there's lots of people clamoring for Murdoch and stepney to be made as the Hornby version of those characters keeps coming on eBay with insanely expensive prices. Plus the reason for thomas and friends reboot for kids is foolish, considering that the model and cgi series of Thomas and friends was both for children and adults to begin with. As well as the fact that Mattel is a big part of problem that is AEG. Similar to what is said just now. Even Murdoch and flying Scotsman would extremely sell well like hotcakes.
I'm sorry... This is just an absurd thing to say. Just because you dislike Bachmann's model-making choices or what Mattel is or isn't willing to green-light doesn't mean they're trying to scam anybody.
If you want to talk unpopular choices for models, let's consider that Beau (maligned by many as being an odd pick, since he was only in a few minutes of one special and nowhere else in the series) was the third-most pre-ordered 'Thomas' item on Trainworld in the run-up to his release... Die-hard nostalgic adults aren't the target demographic for 'Thomas', and we aren't the only ones interested in buying model trains based on 'Thomas'. To say that we're the only ones who Bachmann or, more chiefly, Mattel should cater toward comes off to me as very childish and entitled...
I we understand what you're saying and yes beau was a very odd choice and he might've sold in preorders, but that probably had a lot to do with he was supposed to be a limited character and they weren't going to make too many of him according to going Blaine on an episode of Thomas Tuesday. So collectors were preordering him to have them in their collection before they were sold out. But I do really believe that Mattel should really consider the older generation more because it started with them. If the show kicked off and our generation didn't like it, it would've been a complete flop and would not still be around today for younger generations to be enjoying it. And with the age restrictions on these models and for the prices they run for. I would not be buying these for a young child that is growing up on that ridiculous AEG rebooted version.
This time, I'm really sorry for that negative post. I just deleted it just now. I admit that was not the best way to put it. And yes I agree that beau is not the most popular, but hey, it happens doesn't it? I'm sure I will not be posting that again at all.
It's just that it's frustrating that people want such products to be made and Mattel just doesn't let it happen so easily.
It's not my attention to purposely come across as childish or entitled. But I don't really like Mattel either. I'm sure I can at least forgive Bachmann trains for such odd choices though. We all make mistakes, that's for sure.
Quote from: Stephen62 on August 02, 2024, 12:32:23 AMBut I do really believe that Mattel should really consider the older generation more because it started with them. If the show kicked off and our generation didn't like it, it would've been a complete flop and would not still be around today for younger generations to be enjoying it. And with the age restrictions on these models and for the prices they run for. I would not be buying these for a young child that is growing up on that ridiculous AEG rebooted version.
Not that I inherently disagree. But we didn't get into this franchise as adults. We were kids than too. So most of our wants are inherently tied to what we grew up with. But the kids are a big part of it as well. Always have been. I got Bachmann engines as a kid and kept them to this day. I volunteer and so many kids get excited seeing the Thomas starter set at our railroad. So many know of Daisy and Oliver as well and love them thanks to both the show and model. Despite AEG being around for 3 years now. So, I think specifically targeting characters today's kids may be more familiar with is the smart play. However, a balance existing is a good move as well. Daisy and Oliver who I just mentioned do this well. Characters fans love but the kids still know and really like them. D10 and Harvey who we now know they were looking at do as well do this well. Hiro, Scotsman, Whiff, you get the idea. They don't follow the same pattern but Nia and Rebecca being mains a lot of kids have latched onto makes them great for this line.
And to be candid that's also why I don't like the model series rule because Stepney, by nature of being real, falls under the same bubble.
...Stephen62 is it? N scale sudrian insulted me calling me childish and entitled. I'm sorry but I don't like being treated like that. I only intended to make a point and if I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize for that. I didn't even mean to upset anyone. Like I said, it's very frustrating that Mattel used a cgi mandate to stop Bachmann trains from making non cgi characters to begin with. And I didn't exactly say we're the only ones Bachmann should cater to either.
That's it. I need a break from this forum, at least for awhile.
Quote from: mtrocke88 on August 02, 2024, 01:23:42 AM...Stephen62 is it? N scale sudrian insulted me calling me childish and entitled. I'm sorry but I don't like being treated like that. I only intended to make a point and if I offended anyone, I sincerely apologize for that. I didn't even mean to upset anyone. Like I said, it's very frustrating that Mattel used a cgi mandate to stop Bachmann trains from making non cgi characters to begin with. And I didn't exactly say we're the only ones Bachmann should cater to either.
That's it. I need a break from this forum, at least for awhile.
I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Mattel really needs allow more freedom with characters selection. It's weird for me that I love and hate Mattel. My son and I collect Jurassic world stuff together and they are currently done by Mattel and they are doing a terrific job in that department, but I hate that they are involved with Thomas just because of all this limitation crap. There are so many characters that people have been clamoring for for years and they are why we can't and because of that we sometimes get repaints like busy bee James or origin Thomas or James because Bachmann run out of ideas because of being limited. And it was not as bad until recently because we still had shapeways until recently and they were a way to get some of the things that Bachmann couldn't make and now they are not an option anymore.
Well, I still like Stanley as a character so I'm still gonna buy the upcoming Bachmann Stanley from Thomas and friends. And yes, I forgive Bachmann trains for the unpopular product choices. I mean this in the best way possible.
I'm not saying I won't. I just think that there a lot of characters that played a bigger role in making the franchise what it is that deserve to be made first. Stanley is a great character and I will probably buy him at some point. But I would definitely buy characters like Murdoch, stepney, flying Scotsman, Bradford, Derek and boco in a heartbeat. Even bear, D199, and class 40 would all be great additions.
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on August 02, 2024, 12:13:32 AMI'm sorry... This is just an absurd thing to say. Just because you dislike Bachmann's model-making choices or what Mattel is or isn't willing to green-light doesn't mean they're trying to scam anybody.
If you want to talk unpopular choices for models, let's consider that Beau (maligned by many as being an odd pick, since he was only in a few minutes of one special and nowhere else in the series) was the third-most pre-ordered 'Thomas' item on Trainworld in the run-up to his release... Die-hard nostalgic adults aren't the target demographic for 'Thomas', and we aren't the only ones interested in buying model trains based on 'Thomas'. To say that we're the only ones who Bachmann or, more chiefly, Mattel should cater toward comes off to me as very childish and entitled...
Except we actually are. We are the ones who buy the Bachmann Thomas products in the majority especially today. The reason Beau was bought Is the same reason the narrow gauge models do so well. Other modelers buy them because they're cheaper options I'm assuming or the only options available of certain engines. The American model he is based on seems to be very popular it's not really character.
Quote from: thomasj219 on August 03, 2024, 08:25:04 AMExcept we actually are. We are the ones who buy the Bachmann Thomas products in the majority especially today. The reason Beau was bought Is the same reason the narrow-gauge models do so well. Other modelers buy them because they're cheaper options I'm assuming or the only options available of certain engines. The American model he is based on seems to be very popular it's not really character.
Two things. The DCC ready version of the same tool as Beau is only $5 more. Unlikely anyone would buy Beau over that. His success has nothing to do with that.
Secondly, I think people on this forum are too dismissive of the rest of the market for these products. Kids are a huge factor, and general modelers wanting Thomas engines on their layout for events. I volunteer at a railroad and kids and parents alike consistently ask for advice about collecting the Bachmann line. Kids know Daisy and love her thanks to the model. Bachmann isn't just trying to appeal to us, we're just a part of a larger market. Being everyone. That's why they're so hesitant with Diesel 10. They know people here will buy it already, they made that much apparent. But they are worried about him being too expensive for the rest of the market, and how that wouldn't be fair. We are an important part of the market still, but still just that, a part. They're not going to cater to exclusively us.
Not only does the history prove you wrong, (Narrow Gauge) the packaging also proves you're wrong. 8 and up. When the shows target audience is nowhere near that age anymore, I don't get how what you're saying even has a shot. I'm sorry dude, but we're right to dismiss those products because they will no chance have the longevity of the classic characters. We're not dismissing the children's market, just acknowledging the reality. Especially with the show where it is. Beau Is an interesting American model with a Thomas fave. I guess I have to spell everything out very clearly here.
There is the odd character that will sell well from the CGI series, but once you move past that it's just not going to work. Add on the price point, The fact that Bachmann is literally doing a Thomas Tuesday with more experienced modelers, you can't see which way the wind is blowing?
Or you just like to be contrary?
Notice how literally nothing you said disproves what I said. The 8+ also does not prevent parents from buying this stuff for their kids and is a huge part of the market. Bachmann reps have even outright said this both at train shows and Doug Blaine himself during Thomas Tuesday's Rebecca and Beau reveal. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true all of a sudden.
We're a factor of the market, so are the kids/adults buying these things for their kids. That's literally something Bachmann themselves have said. It doesn't get much more cut or dry than that.
Plenty parents comment on Bachmann's Facebook reveals, one I've seen I think about a lot is one whose daughter wants a G scale Rebecca. There's a parent on here who's been asking questions to help build a layout for his kid. I've seen plenty of parents AND younger modellers in the Thomas Tuesday chats as well.
Truth be told I don't think the difference between us and them is that different even. Especially if they actually commit to the UK line since the RWS is still released over there. But to say we are the only factor is highly inaccurate and frankly selfish
It's not about disproving, it's about understanding. The show is literally gauged at kids who are 5 and below.
Bachmann is leaning more into the modeling side of Thomas. It's obvious.
I am aware. I was a guest on that Thomas Tuesday ::)
And just so you know. It's "cut and dried" not cut or dry. I am not trying to be rude when I say that just informative.
Actually following up on my point. I just came back from the UK. Bunch of kids buying the models, some with their parents, some around the 8-12 range, bunch of adults, bunch of fans. Really shows the variety of the hobby.
But that's not my main point. Actually, I'm leading into a suggestion. The UK line is kind of....bad. They have all the other scales. But the HO line is not great.
Only 1-7, only two road vehicles, like half the rolling stock we do. It's not great. And genuinely I think Bachmann is sitting on a goldmine they need to capitalize on by releasing more of those guys over there. It's a separate branch of Bachmann as Doug has said before, so idk if posting here will even get them to look at it. But if anyone knows better avenues to get in contact and shares my sentiment, I'd love to spread the word
I don't think Bachmann "leaning more into the modeling side of Thomas" suggests that these models "for the nostalgic adults only"... There's nothing about that idea of making a model railway Sodor that is inherently age-gated... Price-gated, certainly, but given the prices for non-'Thomas' trains are much higher than what we see in the 'Thomas' line, I think that is not an insurmountable wall to climb... And as Marie pointed out, there are plenty of demographics besides us that are interested in modeling the Island of Sodor. I think specifically the 'children wanting to break into the hobby' demo will be quite happy with later characters being added. Any children who've retained interest in Thomas after growing up with the late-age 'CGI' show will be what, 9-10 years old now? That's around the same age I was when I was interested in the early days of Bachmann 'Thomas' with locos like Edward and Mavis on the horizon, ha ha... I think if those children are anything like us, they'll be very happy to have engines they grew up with represented in the lineup in the same way we were hoping for our old favorites like Duck to be announced.
Nothing about later-era characters makes them exempt from being useful for a model railway of Sodor, either? They are all 'Thomas' characters. By definition, every locomotive in the line is useful for making a model railway of Sodor, because all of them either live on Sodor already or are feasibly able to come over and visit (in the case of Beau)... It is more or less down to personal preference, and not every prospective modeler is so unreceptive to newer age characters, so personally I don't like to dismiss any of them out of hand regardless of my personal feelings regarding them...
I think now's a good time to end this line of conversation. Everybody's too miserable. I think Marie has the right idea in bringing back the actual point of this thread, ha ha.
I'm sorry, but looking at Mattel's sales I think you guys are vastly overestimating those "demographics".
Of course not all are turned off. But most are, and when cost is the issue that's what matters.
As for the UK line, they have a harder time putting things out over there because those products are technically for three and up, so many of the models have to be changed.
Also, you have to look at the reason Mattel revitalized the show to begin with. Those who grew up with the later series of Thomas. The CGI series, fell out of the hobby and didn't hold onto it as we did. Their sales dropped, and they needed to cater to older fans to make money. The same thing is happening here just in a different and slightly more cautious way.
And it's a conversation guys. No ones miserable or mad. It's good to have them. :)
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on August 03, 2024, 08:11:26 PMIt's a separate branch of Bachmann as Doug has said before, so idk if posting here will even get them to look at it. But if anyone knows better avenues to get in contact and shares my sentiment, I'd love to spread the word
Although Bachmann UK doesn't have a forum, or even a social media profile outside of YouTube, a good place to start would be to contact them through their website:
https://www.bachmann.co.uk/page/customer-support
They do allow you to send requests/suggestions, however they can only accept a suggestion for a product from the same person once. This is to prevent people from requesting the same item multiple times and artificially inflating the number of requests for a product. I sent a follow-up for a request I made a year or so prior for Duck and they told me this, while confirming they still had the same request from me saved in their database (right down to the exact date of when I sent my first email), so they're great at staying on top of their requests too. They're a great service and send replies fairly quickly too. Hope this helps, Marie!
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on August 03, 2024, 08:11:26 PMActually following up on my point. I just came back from the UK. Bunch of kids buying the models, some with their parents, some around the 8-12 range, bunch of adults, bunch of fans. Really shows the variety of the hobby.
But that's not my main point. Actually, I'm leading into a suggestion. The UK line is kind of....bad. They have all the other scales. But the HO line is not great.
Only 1-7, only two road vehicles, like half the rolling stock we do. It's not great. And genuinely I think Bachmann is sitting on a goldmine they need to capitalize on by releasing more of those guys over there. It's a separate branch of Bachmann as Doug has said before, so idk if posting here will even get them to look at it. But if anyone knows better avenues to get in contact and shares my sentiment, I'd love to spread the word
That is good idea, I hope Bachmann will expand in the UK more. Especially considering Thomas and Friends are mostly based on trains in the UK, and the Bachmann Thomas line uses a lot of Bachmann Branchline rolling stock models.
I am also hoping that Bachmann USA is also able to do the reverse of this as well: Release versions Bachmann Thomas Models that carry over some features of the UK versions. I am particularly hoping for HO/OO Annie and Clarabel to be released in the US with the correct Black Chassis that the UK versions have, instead of the incorrect gray that the US versions currently have.
They have seemed to have been doing this with some of the Bachmann Engines, giving Thomas, Percy, and James thicker, more sturdier lamp irons and dummy coupling hooks that are colored the correct black instead of gray. I hope that they can also update the lamp irons and dummy coupling hooks on Henry, Gordon, Toby, Endward, and others to be the sturdier version colored in the correct black, and not the incorrect gray.
Quote from: thomasj219 on August 03, 2024, 10:46:51 PMI'm sorry, but looking at Mattel's sales I think you guys are vastly overestimating those "demographics".
Of course not all are turned off. But most are, and when cost is the issue that's what matters.
Also, you have to look at the reason Mattel revitalized the show to begin with. Those who grew up with the later series of Thomas. The CGI series, fell out of the hobby and didn't hold onto it as we did. Their sales dropped, and they needed to cater to older fans to make money. The same thing is happening here just in a different and slightly more cautious way.
It's actually all a little more complicated than that. Cause Sandy and Bruno toys sell well both U.S. and UK wise. But the other characters hit a snag. And it's not out of lack of interest of the show inherently. AEG James used to be a big seller, so did Edward, so did Ashima, so on, in the states anyway. However, the slow release of characters and barrage of variants means there's less that kids actually want. So, once they get those characters they start to stagnate. In the UK it's even worse. Because most families already have toys of all the old characters, so they have no interest in buying the new reboot versions. So only Sandy, Bruno, and that one big Sodor cup pack really sold. Toby and Carly don't sell well anywhere. It's not a demographic problem it's a lack of good toys problem.
Same thing happened with both the Brenner and BWBA seasons. Brenner was specifically targeted back at winning back the old fans, but then Mattel lost a major Disney license. So, they had to cheapen the toys. Then corporate suits worried that kids would get confused about too many green characters in merch, so characters like Daisy and Alfie got nothing. Which ultimately harmed them in the long run, because as I've emphasized a few times now, kids love Daisy. Mattel equated this with being the fault of trying to appeal to older fans (when it wasn't, the balance is needed) so were planning AEG. Ian McCue stepped in with his BWBA pitch. It wasn't as drastic as it became when it was pitched, I don't even think Nia was part of the initial pitch, but as they say the rest is history. The toy problem got even worse, especially with the abundance of new characters, and they stopped making DVD's in the U.S. It was set up to fail in a way. It had Paw Patrol elements in it now, but Mattel thought that didn't work, so they moved on to AEG for real. Now basing it off of Looney Tunes (for some reason....I still don't know why. That's just what writers have said.)
The new TWR line was than created to still appeal to older fans, as well as others who didn't like the new designs. It was also trying to win back the lost trust that wood caused. However, the price point compared to the motorized AEG toys, lack of new products, and the fact the line had a lot of issues meant it only did ok in Mattel's books. Older fans bought it, but that wasn't enough. Not enough to keep it going, and that's why it's discontinued now.
Sorry that I went rambly this is only partially related to the topic, but I am very passionate about the toys under Mattel and how they continuously miss the mark. I truthfully don't know how many other people know about this stuff, so I always like to share it.
It's a shame TWR 2022 got discontinued. Back to the topic of new stuff .
Every five or so years we get a new scale or new range . 2009/2010 was large scale 2015 was narrow gauge and 2019/2020 was n scale.
What about minimum gauge for 2025
As for my picks to announce first
Mike
Open coach
Hopper wagon
Year 2
Rex
Red plank wagon
Blue plank wagon
Brown plank wagon
Year 4
Bert
While Minimum gauge would be cool Bachmann seems iffy on adding more scales/or sublines to the line. They have enough trouble balancing the 4 they have. Granted, the Arlesdale guys are inherently more limited. So maybe?
Z scale minimum gauge could be cool
It took them 4 years to release 3 engines for narrow gauge .
Also mike and Rex could share the same chassis with changes in the back wheels for each . Not only that but they could all share the same tenders .
Anyway not to get ahead of myself but I feel maybe a pink cattle van could happen for this years NMRA I have previously suggested circus and farm cattle vans
Here is an update predictions for HO
Circus cattle van
Pink cattle van
Farmer mccoll cattle van
Farmer trotter cattle van
Troublesome truck #7 van with shocked face
And maybe Trevor
I may be late to the party, but it was nice that Doug finally acknowledged Harvey and Diesel 10, confirming that those engines are possible for the HO Scale range, but their attachments would make them much more expensive to produce, which is the one thing holding Bachmann back from making them. Harvey would have an operational crane arm, and the cogwheel on the side of it can raise and lower the hook. Diesel 10, on the other hand, would need an operational claw, which isn't as simple as Harvey's crane. Although the claw wouldn't be connected to a motor, there's a lot of movement it can do, and would need to be fully poseable to be as accurate as possible.
So, it seems like Harvey is more possible than Diesel 10 for the time being, since his crane isn't as complicated as Diesel 10's claw, and he's a small tank engine, while the other is a large diesel. We can hope Bachmann makes Harvey and Diesel 10 someday. Harvey, a self-propelled rail crane, would be expensive, but not as expensive as Diesel 10.
You're right they do continually miss the Mark. And trust me it's not as complicated as you think. At least it won't be very soon.
The reason that the lines are getting Discontinued is because Mattel thought they could ride the name of Thomas well slowly decreasing the quality. It finally caught up to them. There really is nothing more to it than that.
Even the revamped wood was bad.
Although we won't see Harvey or Diesel 10 for this year's NMRA, we can still keep the requests going, now that they were acknowledged, and confirmed to be possible for HO Scale, with the only concern being the cost. The next newly-tooled engine for HO Scale is anyone's guess, with the top choices being Whiff and Nia, but other ideas I personally would like to see include Norman, Den and Dart. Winston would be a good idea because of the figures, particularly Sir Topham Hatt. As for Hiro, we'll just have to wait and see how well Rebecca sells.
Not sure if N Scale Henry or Edward will be announced this NMRA, considering there's no update on N Scale Diesel or Paxton yet, but should be announced for sure in the 2025 catalog. Other welcome additions to N Scale would be Mavis, Duck and Oliver. Stanley is an upcoming model for HO Scale, but if he were to be made for N Scale too someday, he can recycle Thomas' chassis for that, just like he is for HO Scale. Mavis would also recycle Thomas' chassis, just like Toby did. Another great suggestion for N Scale would be Bill and Ben, but we haven't got Edward yet.
Bill and Ben def should happen before Donald and Douglas .
Roise is another character we need in N scale
Bill Ben Rosie Duck Oliver and specner are some of my pics . To happen after Edward and Henry.
Mavis has not appeared much in show I get why people want her due to being an Awdry character. But idk if she is best option to make her popularity was due to being one of the first characters to be in CGI and all that promo art she was in the 2000s .
Quote from: RailsByRick on July 16, 2024, 03:47:53 PMIt was said on Bachmann's New Model Monday stream the other week that if the fans have any suggestions for future models, they can email them to Bachmann directly.
I've sent an email last week, and in said email I expressed a want for an HO Scale Harvey and/or Diesel 10 from the fans.
They said on the stream that the more requests there are for a model, the more likely they are to produce it. So, if anyone else would like to add Harvey and/or Diesel 10 to their collection, then I'd highly recommend sending them an email.
Maybe we can also mention that Bachmann UK have the model basis for Arthur, Murdoch, and Class 40 in OO/HO scale and Derek in N Scale. Given that they released Beau due to them having his basis available, maybe they could consider working with Bachmann UK to bring out those characters, including Derek upscaled to HO/OO. Given that they have the model basis,' they at least have a STARTING POINT to make these characters, and they could then modify and adjust them to better resemble the TV Series characters. They are quite popular characters, and given that Hornby Murdoch go for insane amounts of money on eBay when they do show up there, I think it would be a good idea for Bachmann to try and cash in on that factor by releasing their own Murdoch.
In addition, we could suggest using the 'Arry and Bert models to make Splatter and Dodge, especially if there is a market for Diesel 10. Throughout their appearances in Thomas and the Magic Railroad, they are always seen having identical faces to one another. All Bachmann would have to do is design one face that is usable by both characters, and then recolor the already existing 'Arry/Bert models to make Splatter and Dodge. It seems like it would be an easy and cheap to make these characters, and could be especially good if Bachmann needs to release some new characters quickly and easily. Especially if Diesel 10 is being requested.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on August 07, 2024, 05:46:46 PMBill and Ben def should happen before Donald and Douglas .
Hypothetically, if the N Scale range does expand that far, I'd say it might be easier for Bachmann to do Donald and Douglas before Bill and Ben. Assuming we get Edward, Henry, and Duck before they start doing other secondary characters, Donald and Douglas would be able to share a chassis with Duck. Also, it might be hard to get Bill and Ben to run well in such a small scale. Although they aren't much smaller than Percy, their wheelbases are quite a bit shorter, so they might be more prone to stalling over dirty track and points.
I think Bill and Ben are possible, but I would also rather have Donald and Douglas join the line before them, ha ha... I think their primary appeal points from a development perspective are adding color variety to the lineup with some much-needed yellow, and being an efficient on the budget with being small, tank engine twins. That said I feel like those niches would also be filled by making both colors of Rosie, who would also fit into the same developmental niche as Paxton and Diesel. (Wherein Bachmann has already modeled her 'CGI' form in another scale, which could make developing her in a new scale easier...) I believe she could easily be the first to migrate to N Scale after Henry and Edward make the jump, if only to provide said color variety, given how many blue and green locos would be dominating the palette of available locos at that point. Adding a second red loco and a violet loco wouldn't go amiss, in my opinion.
The other front-runners in my mind are Duck or Mavis, since both seem to be the most popular small engines being requested. Mavis would be my personal pick with her being one of my favorites of all time, but I think Duck and Rosie would be good additions as well. That said, whichever small loco makes its way in first, I think the best act to follow it up with would be Spencer. Popular character with associated rolling stock, can't really go wrong there. After Spencer would be a good opportunity to bring in one of the two 'small loco front-runners' that didn't make the cut for being first, ha ha. So say, if Rosie comes after Edward, then Spencer would come after her, then Duck after him. Then perhaps at that point Bachmann can just continue to migrate small and large projects in this alternating pattern.
As an unrelated aside, I think once the original 'Steam Team' has migrated to N Scale, it would be nice for Bachmann to experiment with adding locos to the N Scale line that haven't been seen in HO Scale yet to help diversify the line-up. Especially if they would be too big or costly to justify developing for HO first... Given N Scale's popularity in Japan, I think Hiro and perhaps Kenji would be apt choices to run this experiment with.
I think at this point it's really a matter of who comes out after Henry and Edward in N scale. Once those two come out, I would definitely be curious to see what direction the range will be going from there.
In terms of personal preference, as my previous posts have stated, I would prefer Duck to be the next engine after Henry and Edward. Duck has always had a major following and history with both the original books and television series. The fact that Duck has appeared consistently at least once a season after his return in season 17 really speaks high volume of the characters popularity for both the older and younger audiences. He's even going to be in the reboot too, for whatever that's worth.
Frankly, after Henry, Edward and Duck I truth be told don't have a preference on who else they introduce after that. I do agree that Donald and Douglas make a lot more sense than Bill and Ben, but I feel like both pairs of twins are a long way off from happening anyway. If they wanted to introduce more non-Awdry characters like Rosie or Spencer instead or a character exclusive to N scale first like Hiro or Sidney, I would be perfectly fine with that.
I just hope we see the TAR tanker wagon comes back in HO scale and that it comes in N scale soon!! :)
I echo comments that Henry and Edward NEED to be next in N. That will complete the original Steam Team. Following those two, I *personally* don't mind Duck (who'd go great with Toad and SCRuffey) or Mavis, in reality, we may more than likely see Rebecca. I personally don't want that to happen at all, but I feel like that would be the case, considering she was pushed to be a major character. After Henry and Edward, I'd also be okay if they held off on any new engines and concentrated on rolling stock for a while, too.
Well Henry happened and the Tar tanker .
Now that we're getting HO Scale Sidney and N Scale Henry, we can hope the 2025 catalog will at least have N Scale Edward to complete the original Steam Team in N Scale. The N Scale Brake Van we're getting is the LMS one, when many people wanted the BR one.
I personally hope Narrow Gauge at least gets brown and gray brake vans and box vans, which would be easy because their tooling already exists.
If HO scale was to get Norman, that would complete the trio of characters from Day of the Diesels. Unlike Paxton and Sidney, Norman requires a new tooling. By the 2025 catalog, the sales for Rebecca would be in, and if they're good, we may see Hiro getting announced.
I'm not familiar with the N scale range much; is the N scale Gordon closer to his CGI render or his HO tooling? It makes me wonder what direction they will go for Henry.
As I have stated in the Everything Thomas topic, if they are willing to make the obscure Mainland Diesels, then maybe at some point in the future, if the CGI Mandate gets lifted, they would be willing to also make Splatter and Dodge. As I have said before they already have the correct chassis and body shell. ('Arry and Bert) Given that Splatter and Dodge always appear onscreen with identical faces to each other, all Bachmann would have to do would be design a single face mold that both models could use. And given that Splatter and Dodge have more characterization than the Mainland Diesels, and the fact that on a lot of these Thomas Tuesday livestreams show that modelers often make custom Splatters and Dodges, I think Splatter and Dodge would sell quite well. This could also be presented to Mattel as an incentive for lifting the CGI Mandate. And given that a lot of people are asking for Diesel 10, it would be fitting for Splatter and Dodge to be made as well.
I addition, I hope they will have the ability to upscale their new N Scale rolling stock into larger scales. It would be cool to get the LMS Brakevan and Hannah in HO/OO Scale.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on August 09, 2024, 10:42:00 PMI'm not familiar with the N scale range much; is the N scale Gordon closer to his CGI render or his HO tooling? It makes me wonder what direction they will go for Henry.
Gordon is based on the CGI references rather than the HO tooling, thank goodness. Henry doubtless be the same. I suspect there will still be chassis sharing between the two given that aspect of their show designs carries over to the CGI designs, albeit hopefully without the awful stretching and squashing the HO Henry was subjected to...
I can't be the only one who loves that the Mainland Diesels are coming, I think thats so cool also funny at the same time. It's not like Beau where I was scratching my head when he was announced I understand why they did him just surprised by that.
We can still get a BR brake van, Edward, Duck and Oliver for N scale next year. The BR brake van is not completely out of the question.
In addition to this, do you think an LSBC Thomas and a black James would be possible for large scale and n scale?
Good point Armada Starscream.
With the summer announcements revealed, I did want to touch upon next year's potential HO engine announcement sooner rather than later. While I understand that there are a handful of Nia fans, I think that it would be in Bachmann's best interest to go for a character who all fans, young and old admire, especially since next year is the 80th Anniversary. Hiro, Harvey, or Diesel 10 are the three that come to mind, as all have appeared in CGI, have interesting designs, and are most importantly well liked amongst all fans.
Completely agree. Their chances are less likely, but I'd love to see Arthur, Murdoch, BoCo or Stepney :)
Quote from: JLK2707 on August 10, 2024, 03:34:55 AMWe can still get a BR brake van, Edward, Duck and Oliver for N scale next year. The BR brake van is not completely out of the question.
In addition to this, do you think an LSBC Thomas and a black James would be possible for large scale and n scale?
Edward I would say is a "given" for next year. Hopefully Duck will happen after Edward, but I'm willing to bet he will be a 2026 announcement depending on when they finish Diesel/Paxton. A BR brake van being included in N scale with other rolling stock announcements would be nice, regardless if they use the farish tooling or the large scale tooling scaled down to N.
I think an LBSC Thomas and Origin James could work as limited runs in large scale. I wouldn't mind them in N scale either as extra repaints they want to throw in for the anniversary. Maybe Edward and LBSC Thomas in the winter announcements and Origin James during the next years NMRA?
Although I personally hope for Norman in HO Scale, the most popular picks for the next newly-tooled engines are Whiff, Nia, Harvey, Diesel 10 and Hiro. Hope Bachmann does go through with making Harvey and Diesel 10 at some point. Although those two would be more expensive because of their attachments, they're going to be big sellers regardless. They might make Harvey first, since his crane is simpler than Diesel 10's claw. Just manually rotate the crane, and turn the cogwheel to raise and lower the hook. Basically "Cranky on wheels" as James described. If Rebecca proves to be a popular seller, Bachmann may finally announce Hiro for HO Scale, as the next tender engine. Only one Mainland Diesel was announced, and that begs the question if we'll get more variants with different faces, including Ulli (the only one to be named). Now that Sidney is on the cards, another choice for a Class 08 repaint would be Fernando. Many are hoping the CGI mandate would be lifted so we would get Splatter and Dodge, especially with the demand Diesel 10 has.
Edward has to be the next N Scale engine, now that Henry is coming. I'm hoping by the end of the year we hear something on N Scale Diesel and Paxton. N Scale Edward has to be announced for the 2025 catalog; to complete the original Steam Team in N Scale, as well as be fitting for the 80th Anniversary. For rolling stock, N Scale desperately needs non-troublesome open wagon variants, as well as the BR Brake Van. If N Scale was to start getting engine repaints, options include LBSC Thomas, Origin James, Sidney, 'Arry and Bert. The former two are fitting for the anniversary.
If Large Scale was to get anything, Bachmann should make LBSC Thomas and Origin James. Maybe even Large Scale Sidney.
So, it looks like a lot of people are going to have to buy Rebecca if they want HO Scale Hiro to become a reality. The more people buying Rebecca, the more likely Hiro will be the next new tooling for HO Scale. If you want HO Scale Hiro, just buy Rebecca, and maybe he will be announced in the near future. Trainworld getting a lot of preorders in for Rebecca would be a good sign. If Rebecca even sells out, that would really convince Bachmann to make Hiro, one of the most-loved CGI characters of all time.
Want HO Scale Hiro to become a reality? You know the drill.
Hey everyone, over the past couple of days, and after the new announcements, I've been thinking about what should be next for the N Scale range in 2025. Before laying out my thoughts for these, I wanted to say that I think my suggestions for 2025 could happen in either announcement group, so I won't specify which products would go to which announcement.
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Obviously, everyone is suggesting that Edward be next for the line, and there's absolutely no reason to argue against that. Simply put, there are so many reasons why he should be next that it would be extremely surprising if anyone else got announced first:
- He's the final engine from both the Series 1 cast and the Steam Team that needs to be made. So many people were upset that Tomix failed to do this, so Bachmann finally fixing that will be good. It might even make people more willing to collect the range.
- It's the 80th anniversary year, and Edward is the one who started it all.
- He's one of Bachmann's most popular characters. Even with all of the other characters from the last 16 years, so many people still say he's one of Bachmann's best ever models.
With all of that, Edward should be Bachmann's top priority for the next N Scale product, period (even over other rolling stock recolors).
It's only a matter of time before Gordon, Henrietta, Emily and her coaches are released, so I don't think they would have any affect on a potential announcement, and beyond that there aren't many toolings that we haven't seen (fully painted or otherwise). Even despite that, I don't think the unseen toolings would make it so Edward couldn't be announced, since there's only 5-ish:
- Diesel and Paxton (1 tooling)
- Express Coach
- Express Brake Coach (Body only)
- Henry (Probably body only)
- 20 Ton Brake Van (likely using an existing tooling)
TL;DR - Edward should have almost nothing stopping him from being the next N Scale product announced.
Rolling Stock Suggestions for 2025:
Every engine announcement so far has had at least one piece of rolling stock to be announced, and so I think it'll be extremely likely that we'll see some with Edward. I'm going to suggest a few recolors that I think will be crucial to the line's future success. So far, all of the goods/freight stock in the line are either characters or kind of gimmicky products with logos. I think that the N Gauge range is severely lacking in standard, non-logo stock that could be used for general goods trains. I know that people have suggested just doing 3 open wagon recolors, but I think a little more variety should be done instead. Using the 3 wagon toolings already in the line, I'll suggest 4 products:
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1. Green Open Wagon w/ Coal Load
Starting with the Open Wagon recolors, I suggest the green open wagon with the coal load. This has always been extremely popular in the HO line, even surviving alongside the mining wagon and Sodor coal wagon. It appeared pretty regularly in the model series, and it's also one of the main colors of the standard open wagons in CGI, alongside the red versions.
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2. Red Open Wagon (maybe w/ China Clay Load)
Since this is the standard open wagon that appeared in the CGI Series, it should also be one of the first recolors to be announced. The only reason I didn't mention it first is this: the new HO China Clay wagon appears to be the Red Open Wagon with the the coal load recolored as China Clay. If that is true, maybe the model could be made with the load to get an easy second use out of the coal load tooling.
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3. Gray 12 Ton Van
Like the red open wagon being the most common standard open wagon in the CGI Series, this is it for the vans. Bachmann have the tooling ready, and it would be nice to have a non-logo version of the tooling available. It appeared in the show all the time between series 17-24, and the HO version recently announced appears to have a pretty positive reception so far. I'm sure it would do well in N Scale.
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4. Milk Tanker
This tanker has been in the show since the beginning, and has always been popular in the other merchandise ranges. It was also one of very few tankers to survive the CGI switchover, and only it and the oil tanker appeared during the Brenner Era. It's also still in the HO range, and it's the only piece of freight stock to make it to the UK range that we don't have in N Scale yet. It also adds a nice color variety to the tankers.
I think these four wagons should have the priority to be announced in the same year as Edward, because it gives more for the engines to pull, and since most of them don't have logos, they'd be perfect for general goods trains. I also don't think it would be too many at once, either, because the other ranges have had 4 or more wagons of different types announced at once.
I thought about adding what I think could happen for the range in 2026 and beyond, but this is a long post already. I might make a separate post about my thoughts for that later, though.
What do you guys think about my suggestions? I'd love to hear your thoughts as well.
Now that Henry is on the cards for N Scale, Edward is definitely the new #1 priority for the N Scale range without question. He's the only engine left from Season 1, the only engine left of the original Steam Team, and the character that started it all, which would be fitting for the 80th Anniversary. The rolling stock options are also good suggestions, which are the Red Open Wagon (w/ maybe a China Clay Load), Green Open Wagon w/ Coal Load, Gray 12-Ton Van, and a Milk Tanker. All of which would be made from existing toolings. I'd be okay with a BR Brake Van, even if it is the Graham Farish tooling.
If Bachmann ever does go through with Harvey for HO Scale, they can see how well he sells before attempting Diesel 10, so it would be wise to make Harvey first, and Diesel 10 might depend on how well he sells. Just like how Rebecca needs to sell well before Bachmann announces Hiro for HO Scale. Rebecca selling well would prove to Bachmann that Hiro can sell well too, despite a rather hefty price. Hiro is one of the all-time most-requested characters for HO Scale, and the most popular character to originate from the CGI series. Doug Blaine confirmed Harvey and Diesel 10 are possible for HO Scale, and the NMRA standards didn't matter, but the real thing that's holding them back is the cost because of their attachments. Bachmann could just give Harvey a go one day, and see how well-received and a seller he is. Diesel 10 would certainly be an epic product, but with a hefty price because of his claw, but he will be a huge seller without question.
I agree with a lot of the things you suggested in your post Kempton! I think as I said earlier, Edward is a given for next year. It really is the perfect announcement they could make for the 80th anniversary in N scale.
I'm a little surprised we haven't gotten any of the wagon repaints yet, or even the milk tanker in N scale for that matter. I guess they just want to save them for later once they finish a lot of the other popular requests? I feel like the red coaches are going to be the next rolling stock announcement in N scale, which I would be fine with, but I think we need a lot more freight variety before we jump onto another pair of coaches.
I'll be working on a new post here fairly soon as well, would love to hear your thoughts on that once I eventually get it up.
The red coaches and museum coaches will definitely happen eventually. Really popular items in two scales now. Makes sense they'll be introduced eventually. But I think some more goods stock first would be ideal. Mail cars to go with Percy would be awesome, could even do the green and live lobster variant from HO to introduce them as a rake of three like the vans and tankers, but the mail cars would be the main highlight.
Open wagons would also be a good choice and is the main suggestion I've seen thrown around here. And they have a lot of choices too. I don't know what is the most likely admittedly. My want would be the hit era blue, the hit era green with coal load, and the red truck. But I'm expecting the scrap car, Sodor coal co car, and either the orange cargo car or the previously mentioned red truck. (Maybe even the new one with the load coming out? Not sure if they would do that yet though)
Don't even have to mention engines in this response really. Edward is practically guaranteed next new mold model; I don't see anyone else happening first. However, could see LBSC Thomas and one of the James's being announced in the 2025 February catalog and saving Edward for NMRA. We will see.
The future of N scale is looking bright. Honestly if I could get a do over may have even considered doing N scale instead lol. Look forward to seeing how they continued to expand the line. Although, I'd like G scale to also be thrown a bone. It's a shame that scale doesn't get as much love as the other 3 now, but I do get it. They are pricey to produce. Maybe someday we'll get another engine.
Okay so here is my idea
Do LBSC Thomas and Edward first then do the James varients
as for other scales HO I think the works unit coach is due soon. And honestly honestly next year would be the perfect time to do diesel 10 since it is an anniversary year .
A Thomas variant may happen if so, it could probably be a gold or pink version . I am leaning more towards gold tho idk fs . However a paint splattered Thomas would be really cool.
as for other engine variants glow in the dark Henry or Emily with 12 would be nice
As for other rolling stock Spencer's brakecoach is long over due . And what about bring back the M truck . Troublesome truck number seven is also overdue
It seems like every 5 years we get a new scale. My personal pick is a Z scale minimum gauge .
For large scale milk fuel and oil tankers need to be brought back
Edward could happen if he reuses stuff from James .
Here is my rough outline for the year
Catalog
HO scale
Thomas variant
Diesel 10
Troublesometruck 7 van
Spencer's brake coach
Minimum gauge
Mike
Plank wagon
Open coach
N scale
LBSC Thomas
Edward
NMRA
Large scale
Edward
Fuel tanker
Milk tanker
Oil tanker
HO scale
Glowing Henry
Emily with 12
Works unit coach blue green and orange
M truck re-release
Narrow gauge
slate wagon NGTT#1 or HOTT#8
Slate wagon NGTT#2 or HOTT#9
N scale
James busy bee
James black
Red branchline coaches
Museum coaches
If HO Scale gets anymore Class 08 repaints, the most likely candidate is Fernando, and he will most likely be the next engine repaint for the HO Scale range, now that Sidney is coming. The CGI mandate would need to be lifted in order to get Splatter and Dodge. We may not see painted samples of Sidney or Mainland Diesel until early 2025. If Hiro gets announced following Rebecca's success, one potential recolor would be his patchwork livery. Rebecca has to sell well for not just Hiro, but any other newly-tooled tender engines to be possible for HO Scale, like Merlin or Flying Scotsman.
So many good choices for the next newly-tooled HO Scale engine... Nia, Whiff, Hiro, Harvey, and Diesel 10. Which one should it be? It may be several years before Norman even gets considered, but he would complete the trio with Paxton and Sidney.
The Mainland Diesels are getting their first official piece of merchandise. Another thing about Fernando is that if he gets made, that would also be his first official piece of merchandise. Sidney and Mainland Diesel are the first Class 08 repaints in the HO Scale range since Paxton; several years ago. Grumpy Diesel doesn't count as a repaint as the only real change was the face, and not the paint scheme. We'll see if Fernando does get announced in the near future, but for now, the biggest hope for the HO Scale range seems to be Hiro, or one of those other mentioned new toolings. The biggest hope for N Scale is Edward.
I honestly think that any of the following would be great additions to the Thomas line. Especially if Mattel would just lift the CGI only rule as and expand the options for characters instead of multiple repaints.
Engines:
Flying Scotsman
Murdoch
Shane
Nia
Ashima
Stepney
Derek
Boco
Rolling stock:
Flying Scotsman water tender (if sold separately, this would definitely sell even within non Thomas modelers)
Troublesome truck #7 (standard gauge slate wagon as seen in Thomas train to the mainline in journey beyond sodor)
Rickety
Fred pelhay
Silver tanker
Old coaches
Troublesome truck #8 (teal salt wagon also seen in Thomas' train in JBS)
Bradford
S.c.Ruffey (rebuilt version)
Narrow gauge engines:
Duke
Smudger
Freddie
Mighty Mac
Narrow gauge rolling stock:
Green open coaches
Brown brake van
Flatcar
It's been a very long time since I last posted on here, but I'd like to provide some suggestions for future products. N Scale is the range that intrigues me the most right now, so all of my current suggestions will be regarding that. If I think of any for the other scales, they'll be posted another time.
I think most people can agree that Edward must be made next as far as main characters go. Among other reasons, it'd be both a fitting option for the anniversary next year and a relatively easy one to produce since they already did James. The HO Scale model has historically been successful, and it's safe to expect similar reception with a potential N Scale model.
For secondary characters, I would absolutely love to see Mavis and Duck announced in the foreseeable future once Edward is taken care of. Both characters are among the most remembered in the secondary variety and both are strong sellers in HO Scale, though they also have their own reasons for being considered. An N Scale model of Mavis could be her first piece of new merchandise in over a decade, and she's one of the more manageable options since she could reuse Thomas/Toby's chassis. As long as her tooling is based on the HO model since it's already so accurate and doesn't have the tacky headlamp, I'm all for seeing Mavis in the range! Duck could be fitting since he's one of the earliest secondary characters introduced and Diesel is also on the horizon. Likewise, his HO model is pretty much on-point apart from the wheel sizes if I'm understanding correctly.
In terms of rolling stock, it'd be nice to see some options that are simple yet effective. I'm surprised it's taking this long to introduce a Milk Tanker to the range, as it's been an iconic and long-standing part of the show's freight variety. Since they're also reintroducing the Tar Tanker in HO Scale, they could easily announce an N Scale equivalent of that along with the Milk Tanker. While the 20-Ton Brake Van is an intriguing and welcomed option, the BR Brake Van feels necessary since the HO and G Scale ranges previously had that tooling. More 7-plank wagons are appreciated, particularly the more basic ones like the Red Open Wagon, Blue Open Wagon and Green Open Wagon with Coal. It'd also be nice to see the Red Coaches on the horizon someday, although there's enough coaches that need to be finished in N Scale as it is right now, so they're best saved for a later time.
Both Thomas and Percy's starter sets have garnered much attention, and with an Emily set in progress, it looks like N Scale might be the best range to have a wider set variety in right now. I'm not necessarily hoping for these too badly, but I still think they're worth mentioning. Once the Blue Open Wagon and BR Brake Van are reintroduced, Bachmann could potentially remake the 2005 version of the James the Red Engine Freight Set. I also imagine that a Gordon's Express Set would be popular and it should be pretty easy to remake the original Thomas' Holiday Special set too.
I do want to talk about HO recolors for a bit, as in not character based ones. Because genuinely I do not think it'd be a good idea to pursue anymore bar two potential exceptions. Most of these recolors are niche, very few scene appearances or being very scene specific. And obviously that's not an issue for Bachmann. That's what yellow Rheneas and Bee James is. And they would be easy, however, I do worry that anymore would overcrowd the lineup. Make the line feel more toyetic than it already is. And I doubt the others would have the same success the current lineup does. LBSC Thomas is from a fan favorite special, Black James is from the same special, a few flashback/dream scenes, and the original books. These of course probably do well. Bee James did well for the bit, idk if that could be replicated. Red Rosie is a drastic redesign. Heck, we know the metallic Thomas didn't do well hence it's discontinuation, and Yellow Rheneas is pretty consistently on sale. I can't really imagine more niche recolors like Glow In the Dark Henry and Diesel, or Green Salty, or other examples doing well. They wouldn't necessarily hurt Bachmann to have, but I don't think they'd add anything to the line really other than clutter. Most you could make yourself if you wanted them. But if you think they'd be really good additions and disagree, feel free too. We're all going to have different interests in this hobby after all.
With that said. Two exceptions. The first is Emily with her number. A pretty drastic character redesign, I could see this doing well for the same reason Red Rosie does. Gives people the option for who prefer it without replacing the old. Since it's Big World that might lessen its appeal but people have been giving Emily that number for years prior, so I think it could still do well. Bonus points if it includes the handrails since I think those look nice and were also on her season 7 concept art.
Silver Spencer is another good shout. Matching better with his season 11 onwards appearance. Now, in theory, this could just be a paint update like Salty rather than a separate product. However I think letting the option for the old design stay on the market for those who may prefer it is nice, like what they have done with Diesel and Rosie. Spencer is a popular character so I think this would prove to be a successful release.
I don't think I'd particularly want either of these two next year though, with the anniversary and already getting two recolors this year I'd much rather something new, but I think they'd be good options for the future of the line
Welcome back Falcon the Second! I always enjoyed reading your posts and I'm really glad to see you back on the forum again.
I was debating on doing my post a little later, but with how much Bachmann has planned to be released by the end of the year with Rebecca, the 12 ton vans and possibly the figure packs in addition to the N scale Gordon, Henrietta, Emily and her coaches. I think 2025 will be a pretty big year all around for Bachmann for the 80th anniversary. Since that's such a big year coming up I figured I might as well share my thoughts on what I feel would be reasonable expectations for next year.
Lets start with HO with my suggestions for the next new HO engine tooling:
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I think the best candidate for a new HO engine announcement for the 80th anniversary would be Hiro. I know Hiro is entirely dependent on how well Rebecca does in terms of sales, but if all goes well for Rebecca, then I think Hiro is the best candidate for a new engine tooling. A widely appealing character for both older and younger audiences and is an icon over in Japan, he would be an extremely popular seller with Bachmann and would probably sell a lot better than Rebecca too. If Rebecca doesn't do well, then my money is on either Nia or Whiff since these two also are popular requests as well and wouldn't be as expensive to make.
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HOWEVER, if it were up to me personally, I think Harvey would be pretty fun despite the pricing issues. He is a classic character who appeared in CGI fairly frequently and the sales for him would more than make up for the pricing issue he would have. Harvey seems like a solid choice for a character adding in HO to celebrate the 80th anniversary too if they can't do Hiro. I know Harvey has somewhat of a risk because of the price issue, but I feel like that maybe Bachmann can get a little experimental with him similar to how they were when picking Rebecca to test the waters for Hiro. I feel the same could apply here and depending on Harvey sales, it could potentially open the door for Diesel 10. But I also understand if the pricing might make Bachmann hesitant on introducing him. Maybe one day I can go more in-depth talking about Harvey. Been a while since I did a post solely on a character in a while. Might wait on that one though for the time being...
Thomas 80th anniversary repaint: This could be something like a gold Thomas or Thomas in festive decorations like the Celebration Thomas. I actually really liked the celebration Thomas, and I would've picked one up had it not been for the banners on his tank. If they did just a plain metallic Thomas or a gold Thomas without decorations on it, I would buy it in an instant.
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12 ton van: Troublesome Truck #7: This seems like the most obvious/go-to choice for the next troublesome truck. I'm really leaning towards the gray van from the CGI series with the same face as shown on the wiki, but admittedly I would prefer a model face. Sadly I think the latter probably won't happen but I would love to be proven wrong.
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Mail car repaints (utility van/flying kipper): This seems like another really obvious one they can do, similar to some of the stock announced over the summer. Having the mail car painted in brown (and maybe adding a blue one to match the CGI series) would make this a fun addition, despite the CGI blue van being a different tooling I still think it would be received well by fans.
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Sodor celebrity figure pack:
When it comes to the figure packs there is no request I've seen higher than a Sodor celebrity figure pack. I think a pack like that should include some of the famous faces on Sodor such as Alicia Botti, the Duke and Duchess of Boxford, the mayor of Sodor and maybe even Rev. Awdry.
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This seems like the perfect thing to introduce for the 80th anniversary, especially if they made an Awdry figure in this pack.
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Passenger figure pack: There are various passengers on Sodor that I feel would work really well as potential figures. The grumpy passenger, bird watcher, and a few others. I can see people buying multiples of this one too to have at stations on their layout.
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Narrow gauge brake van - tan:
As for narrow gauge, the only thing I think they need to announce next year is just a tan brake van since it's common addition for goods trains in both model and CGI seasons of the show. Apart from that one recolor, I'd rather they focus more on getting Sir Handel and both sets of wagons announced in 2022 out in 2025 and maybe start working on Duncan and the gunpowder wagons before adding another new engine or a new rolling stock tooling in narrow gauge.
Now for N scale:
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Edward:I think just about everyone in this forum wants Edward to be the next engine, which is more than understandable. Everything that's been said about Edward has been said plenty of times already. He's been one of the top requests for a long time and is now on top of the list now that Henry has been introduced. Last major character from the original steam team, major history with the brand and would be the most logical choice for the next N scale engine tooling for the 80th anniversary.
Wagon repaints:
I was originally going to mention the red coaches, and while I think they're what Bachmann's most likely going to go for (which I would be fine with btw), I would rather they follow-up on what I feel is a more popular request which is a set of new wagon repaints. Personally I think they should do a set of three with the following:
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Coal wagon with load. Undeniably the most popular request out of all the wagon repaints. I can't emphasize enough Bachmann, PLEASE use this design and not the "Sodor Coal Co" wagon design as the darker green and black look a lot nicer.
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China Clay truck (it's still the red open wagon just with a gray load).
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And finally something else somewhat exclusive to N: Cocoa powder wagon with load. It would be the same blue wagon in HO and large scale but the load would be brown to represent cocoa powder.
Three wagons that have a tooling already available, different color contrasts and even a different loads included. Plus they give fans the opportunity to switch out the loads in the wagons however they would like or leave the three wagons empty too. I personally think this would be a much better way to go when it comes to the wagon repaints but let me know what you all think.
BR 20 ton brake van and/or spiteful brake van:
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I know this may seem a little redundant after the LMS brake van announcement but to me this is the equivalent of when they announced Busy Bee James a few months before Origin James (anyone else remember that?) so announcing a similar announcement right after a previous one really isn't anything new here. If anything, I'd argue it isn't that redundant since it would be a different brake van tooling and one that fans actually requested prior to the LMS announcement.
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That aside, I think because of how much more iconic the BR brake van is and how it has a lot more recolor options to choose from that I still see this having a very decent shot in N scale. I feel like if they release just one standard BR brake van in purple (like the CGI series) and a spiteful brake van based on the ones in HO/large scale ranges then these two along with the upcoming LMS brake van on the way would make for a nice diversity of brake vans to choose from/and collect. The purple livery would also give something exclusive to the N scale line too like the LMS brake van as well as offer a nice unique color contrast. They could either use the Farish tooling for this, or use the large scale tooling and scale it down like the box vans, either is perfectly acceptable. Again, I am well aware some might argue it's redundant to suggest this right after the LMS brake van announcement, but I see so much more potential going for this option than not in terms of sales and easy production on Bachmann's end so it's a win-win either way.
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Gordon's express set/Thomas Christmas set: I think next year would be a great time to introduce a new set in N scale. Just like how Emily had her set announced before the Emily model was finished, I could see Gordon getting a set announced while the express coaches are still in production. Might be a long shot, but I have no doubt Gordon will be a top seller when he gets released later this year and him having a set seems like a natural choice. If not a set for Gordon though, then I think it's time for a Christmas set in N scale as I feel we are long overdue for this.
I don't collect large scale but I think doing an LBSC Thomas as a limited run of 500 would be a great way to honor the 80th anniversary. A bit of a long shot, but I would also really like to see them do Henrietta and Hannah similar to their recent introductions in N scale. If they can't do any new engine toolings in N scale anytime soon, I think just making Henrietta and Hannah would go over very well with those that collect the range. Every time I share announcements on social media there are always a few fans disappointed that large scale is getting little to nothing for announcements. I personally think these three would be one of the best lineups of announcements the range will have had for a long time too, so I think it's worth Bachmann taking into consideration.
Think that's all I got for now. There are lots of other things I would like to see too like more additional figure packs, and some more N scale additions like the red coaches, the mail car and of course Duck. But I feel these can wait until 2026 with Duck being the next N scale engine announcement once Diesel/Paxton is released similar to his announcement right after the former in HO. I also wouldn't rule out an N scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James either but I would personally rather see them introduced a little later, at least after Edward gets announced and he and Henry are finished and released just so fans are able to recreate more scenes from The Adventure Begins in N scale rather than just being limited to only scenes involving them and Gordon. At least that's how I look at it anyway, I'd still welcome them regardless. I do agree with the consensus to introduce LBSC Thomas with Edward in the winter and Origin James at the NMRA, but if they were saved for later then I would be okay with that too. Otherwise as far as 2025 goes, that's all I've got.
So, the next new tooling for HO Scale has to be Hiro, especially if Rebecca is successful, Hiro has to be announced next year. He's the most popular character to originate from the CGI series, and his patchwork livery would be a potential repaint that uses the same tooling. He appears to use the same wheels as Rebecca; just a different color and configuration, just like how Ryan used the same wheels as Oliver, and Stanley uses literally the exact same chassis as Thomas. Harvey and Diesel 10 would both be huge sellers, but the reason Bachmann hasn't made them yet is not the NMRA standards, but the cost to produce models like them is a big risk. We hope to see them go through eventually.
For engine repaints in HO Scale on toolings currently available, Fernando is one of the only ones left to originate from the CGI series. The only thing holding Bachmann back from making Smudger, Splatter and Dodge is the CGI mandate, despite the fact that their toolings exist, so Yellow Rheneas was chosen over Smudger. I would love to see Smudger, Splatter and Dodge get made though, even though they were one-off characters from the model series. For repaints that require new toolings to be made, Norman would otherwise have Dennis as a potential recolor. Dart would have Natalie as a potential recolor. Frankie would have the American Diesels as a potential recolor.
For HO Scale rolling stock, brown and blue utility wagon repaints are a great idea, as well as the long overdue Troublesome Truck #7 being a 12-Ton Van.
Figure packs of Sodor Celebrities/Important People, as well as various passengers like the Grumpy Passenger are a great idea, along with Sodor Brass Band.
N Scale has to have Edward as the next engine, with the reasons having been stated many times already. N Scale rolling stock desperately needs more 7-plank wagons, like the Red Open Wagon, Blue Open Wagon, and Green Coal Wagon w/ Load using their original designs. The BR Brake Van would be a very much welcome addition. The Milk Tanker is long overdue, and so is the Tar Tanker, which is now being reintroduced to HO Scale. The Red Coaches, Toby's Museum Coaches, and even the Red Express Coaches are still welcome to N Scale, but are better off being saved for later for more freight variety. The Gray 12-Ton Van would also be very much welcome to N Scale.
Chaz your post is great as always. The idea for the blue wagon with the actual load from an episode is really good, I'd even go one step further and say it'd be a good way to bring it back to HO if they ever wanted to. If they made that load it'd also open the door for the similar pink sugar truck from Season 12 which would be a fun one I think.
Mentioning Spiteful is also a good mention. Afterall all 3 of the most recent n scale announcements have included a coach (Henreitta, express, Hannah), would it really be a stretch to include spiteful this soon after the LMS Brake? I'd say no. Same could be said for the red coaches but also in agreement, the wagons should come first.
I'm in agreement with both of your engine suggestions. I'm firmly pro Nia, but I also really want Hiro and Harvey. And I think the 80th anniversary is the best time for them to want to gamble with a riskier popular character. I want to say Harvey is the safer option. He's smaller and thus cheaper even with his crane he's pretty tiny in cgi, even with the crane can't imagine he'd be too overly expensive. Being model only also gives him that edge.
Edward for N is also a must for the next new model. I do think at least LBSC Thomas and maybe one or both James's are inevitable next year, but as long as we get Edward as well I'll be happy. In 2026 I think it'd be smart to announce Duck and Oliver in the same year respectively. They're easier characters and Gordon and Emily show they aren't unwilling to make a big swing like that.
Repurposing the Blue Open Wagon design as a Cocoa Wagon is an excellent idea, Chaz! Between the existing unlettered Coal Wagon, the upcoming China Clay Wagon, and that, there are the makings for a perfect rake of three 7-plank wagons for the N Scale line! I would definitely like to see something like that next year...
I feel like there's a solid shot for N Scale to get LBSC Thomas next year since it'll be an anniversary year. With Edward being a certain pick for the next new tooling, I think putting LBSC Thomas in the Catalog announcements and Edward in the Mid-Year announcements would be a smart move.
I do hope we get to see vehicles like Bertie, Harold, and Cranky join the N Scale range next year as well. Especially if it leads to a near future where we can use characters that are more difficult to find an appropriate stand-in toy of in N Scale, such as Terence, Bulgy, and Jeremy...
Tangentially, I didn't want to bring up any HO suggestions since N Scale is my domain, but... I wonder if it would be possible for Bachmann to make an HO model of Bulstrode the Barge? I normally wouldn't entertain it as anything more than a pick that "would be nice if not for alleged restrictions to do with Model-only characters" but... Bulstrode is pretty famously the boat that managed to dodge this internal mentality to the point of getting into the 2D reboot without having gone 3D first, ha ha. I think for 2025, it would be a fun way to add a touch of anniversary nostalgia to the line-up, especially considering Cranky doesn't have any boat friends to work with at the docks right now!
Great suggestion Chaz! The milk and fuel tanker wagons in HO scale also just need to be updated to match the CGI counterparts.
Ok for varients I think silver Spencer could be a good idea to do at the same time as a gold Thomas
Gold Thomas
Silver Spencer
As for large scale I think we are due another engine that being Edward . He could reuse James's tender and use Emily's front bogies . Possibly also time to bring back the oil fuel and milk tanker .
HO Scale could get Gold Thomas as a Special Edition. 20 years ago, Wooden Railway had Gold Thomas, Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel for the 60th Anniversary. Don't know if we could get all three in HO Scale. We might only get Gold Thomas as the special Anniversary product in HO Scale.
N Scale must get Edward, along with LBSC Thomas and Origin James.
Okay here are my picks for the first half of 2025 accounting for everything
•Gold Thomas
•Silver Spencer
•Flying scottsman
• auxiliary tender
•Troublesome truck 7
•Spencer's brake coach
•m wagon
Off rail
•Trevor
N scale
•LBSC Thomas
•Edward
Large scale
•Edward
They items would represent the roots 80 years . With Edward in all scales , LBSC Thomas and gold Thomas . The brother of one of the first characters. 2 never done before Awdry characters .M truck is another classic item that would be great to come back for the occasion .
For the second half of the year maybe diesel 10 ,the works unit coach well wagon , troublesome slate wagon, Hannah ,and Henrietta with face
N scale Red and Musuem coaches
And a z scale aresdale railway line but idk if that could happen
Boy it's been a long time since I've been on Bachmann's forums, but here I am!
After seeing all these announcements drop, especially with potential upcoming reveals for characters like Sir Handel, I figured I'd drop my suggestions/predictions for next year:
HO/OO:
Hiro, depending on if Rebecca does well as a seller, in which will be amazing to see a D51 be made for this range!
Spencer with the updated silver paintwork. If the likes of Rosie, Thomas, and James are able to get repainted variants, then Spencer can get one too, provided that it's not expensive to do seeing that Tender Engines aren't cheap to make...
Thomas, Percy, and James getting updated faces. If Diesel was able to get a Grumpy face, then at the very least it'll be great to make the range cohesive w/ the Large Scale and N Scale ranges.
-Road Vehicle
Kevin, if Victor gets announced, can't forget Kevin as a pairing.
Trevor, since Bulgy's getting made, good chance for him to be made with little changes from his Model/CGI versions.
-Rolling Stock
Henrietta, since the N scale will get a facial add-on, it'll be great if her HO/OO model gets updated. Heck, if she gets made, then Hannah can get made as well as an option.
Dexter. Who knows, since we got a red brake coach made, perhaps this can be an interesting add-on like the Spiteful Brakevan, but with some adjustments to where his face will be (and can be made with/without the chassis too).
Gordon's Special Coaches: If Toby's Museum coaches were made for this range despite only appearing once, although made thanks to a Twitter post, then it'll be great if Gordon's coaches from Season 10's Emily and the Special Coaches would be great to see!
Spencer's Special Brake Coach: I'm surprised that his brake coach hasn't been made to go with his special coach since it was shown during Season 10, so that'll be something if Bachmann needs something to make.
OO9
Victor, just like Hiro if announced next year, will be a fitting inclusion for all of the Hero of the Rails characters to be announced for Bachmann for a fitting 80th Anniversary for the franchise!
Luke, another character to complete the upcoming Blue Mountain Quarry rolling stock, but at a later date.
Millie, I'd say she'd be on the back burner if the other narrow gauge characters from the CGI eras are finished by this point.
*...and if the CGI mandate gets lifted, at least if they need any new models for the narrow gauge characters:*
Mighty Mac
Duke
Bertram
Smudger
Freddie
Proteus
N Scale
Edward, no question since it'll be fitting to have him be the final OG 7 character made for this range, certainly an announcement for the 80th Anniversary is a no brainer.
Thomas LBSC Livery, perfect announcement as a recolor and a 10 year anniversary since the Adventure Begins
James Origin ver, same as LBSC Thomas.
Large Scale:
Edward, same reason for the N scale, but also should be doable since James is relatively the same size as him.
Thomas LBSC, same reason like the N scale.
James Origin version, same reason like the N scale.
Salty. It annoys me that only Emily from the Gullane era got made, but not others like Salty who's doable to be made, albeit if cost isn't a major factor.
Henrietta, long overdue where even Toby's Museum Coaches get made first instead of her. Also if she gets made then Hannah can also be made too!
I hope they do the Gordon's Special Coaches from Season 10.
If they do, however, I would like to see a few things about the models
-That they release both a Composite and Brake versions of the Gordon's Special Coaches. It WOULD give Bachmann 2 new products to sell.
-That they recolor the Gordon's Express Composite and Brake Coaches, so that they still have the corridors at the ends of the coach that most of the Bachmann Thomas Express Coaches have, making them 'visually fit' into rakes of already existing Express Coaches.
This is basically where I'm at.
HO Scale:
-Hiro
-Gold Thomas
-Gordon's Special Coach
-Gordon's Special Brake Coach
-Chocolate Syrup Tanker
-Toffee Tanker
I would also like to see Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel to go with Gold Thomas, just like Wooden Railway did for the 60th Anniversary 20 years ago, but those seem like long shots. NMRA maybe?
HO Scale Accessories:
-Kevin
-Important People Figure Pack (Duke, Duchess, Mayor, Sir Robert, etc.)
-Sodor Brass Band Figure Pack
-Passenger Figure Pack (including the Grumpy Passenger)
Narrow Gauge:
-Victor
-Box Van - Tan
-Brake Van - Tan
N Scale:
-Edward
-LBSC Thomas
-Origin James
-Red Open Wagon
-Blue Open Wagon
-Coal Wagon w/ Load
-12-Ton Van - Gray
-BR Brake Van
Large Scale (this scale hardly gets any love, but these toolings would be very much worth the investment):
-Edward
-Henrietta
-Hannah
We may end up getting Large Scale LBSC Thomas and Origin James as repaints.
It would be fitting for the 80th Anniversary to have Edward exist in all three scales. Bachmann has avoided Henrietta in Large Scale because they found her too expensive to produce, but Hannah is another character that can be made using the same tooling, making it more worth it. They recently released Toby's Museum Coaches in Large Scale, but they still need his proper coach, Henrietta.
I'm gonna throw a little theory out there, I think we might get a model series character in the next few years. Lets be real Bachmann is running out of CGI characters. There's is tons of model series characters we haven't gotten yet. So I think Bachmann might make one for a trial to see if there a market for making model series characters. I know they are worried kids won't know the characters but I work in a the school trust me the kids know the characters I was speaking to some kids other day about BoCo, Stepney and one of the kids favourite characters is Duke.
So I have a few theories and ideas of what could be next from Bachmann and there is evidence there to support them and I feel these would really benefit the range rather then more class 08 recolours like Fanado. I'm glad we are getting what we are with Sindey and Mainland diesel but that's plenty for me. These may seem strange on the surface however there's cases to be made for each and tbh I never hear anyone talking about these
Firstly Stephen
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Now Stephen is pretty iconic within the Brenner era of the show. He's a CGI character based off the legendary Stephenson's Rocket. He is a very unique design and there is a gap in the market for a tooling of the rocket in HO that won't cost the earth, thus opening up the possibility people will buy Stephen even if they aren't a Thomas fan to customise him or to make him look like the real thing. Similar to Skarloey and the 009 engines. Bachmann are already making the open blue coach so technically he already has one piece of his rolling stock being worked on.
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Maybe even they could make a red version of the blue open coach with a Santa figure for a Christmas set
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There's only his other coach that would need making and I'm sure Bachmann could make that in 2025 or 2026. Adding Stephen also adds more possibility for Millie, Sir Robert and Glynn further down the line.
My next one I'd like to talk about is Skiff
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Now Skiff was introduced in Sodor's legend of the lost treasure along with Ryan. He's a very simple railboat who I'm sure would be a massive hit. He is very unique and extremely versatile in that if his base was removable you could have him either in water or on land. He's that perfect bridge between rolling stock and non rail characters. He wouldn't require couplings as he is never pulled by an engine nor is he ever seen pulling anything behind him. Ryan and Daisy are already in the range, along with Oliver and Duck so he has characters he can be paired with at fairs and trainshows. He's also appears in all engines go so he still has a very broad appeal and lastly like Stephen if there was a figure of Sailor John made he'd look fantastic riding inside Skiff or even if Bachmann made a figure of his new Owner Captain Joe.
My last prediction is for an N scale item.
Bradford
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Now my reasoning for this is very simple. Bachmann just introduced the LMS 20 ton Breakvan which is Bradfords basis. It makes sense to utilise the tooling and make Bradford. He sadly is a CGI character with 0 merchandise so if Bachmann made him in N scale I'm sure fans would be thrilled. The tooling is there so why not use it. If Bachmann can make Hannah I see no reason why Bradford can't be made too and this will give the N scale range more of its own identity having things that HO and Large scale don't have which isn't a bad thing. I was blown away by Hannah not only being announce but her painted sample is out there ready to be shown. Lastly for Bradford if he is made I'm sure Bachmann can utilise Percy's chassis and make Samson in N scale in the future. These are just alternatives and my thoughts. Thank you for reading.
Love these ideas, Mulfred100. I've been a proponent for Skiff for a while now, seeing as we already have Ryan, Daisy, Duck, and Oliver. He would pair great with the upcoming figures.
The figures would also be great for Stephen's crew, Glynn's crew, and passengers for the blue open coach.
I really hope these characters become a reality!
Bachmann needs to start selling their Christmas rolling stock separately, like the 1-Plank Wagon with Christmas Presents, the Naughty and Nice Brake Van, as well as the red Christmas Brake Van. The Open Carriage tooling can be used to make one in red with a Santa figure. All of this could make a nice Christmas train to run under your tree. The fact that the Christmas Wreath 12-Ton Van is separate is a start.
Bachmann can easily make Bradford in N Scale using the LMS Brake Van tooling. That would also literally be Bradford's first ever piece of merchandise, and he would be another rolling stock character that's exclusive to the N Scale range. While Edward is the #1 priority for the next N Scale engine, Samson could be a possibility in the coming years, and he can recycle Percy's chassis. Could Samson be the first engine in the N Scale range that doesn't already exist in HO Scale? We'd rather have N Scale Duck and Oliver, considering we have Toad, and once N Scale Edward is announced, demand for Duck and Oliver will be much higher. We would also eventually need N Scale Donald and Douglas, and Spencer can be the next big engine for the N Scale range to recycle Gordon's chassis.
I think Mattel just needs to drop the CGI only mandate since Bachmann is running out of characters. It is too restrictive.
Quote from: JLK2707 on August 22, 2024, 01:22:20 AMI think Mattel just needs to drop the CGI only mandate since Bachmann is running out of characters. It is too restrictive.
There's tons more characters we could get if Bachmann drop the mandate also means the line will keep running for years to come.
Don't you mean Mattel harrison05?
Quote from: JLK2707 on August 22, 2024, 01:22:20 AMI think Mattel just needs to drop the CGI only mandate since Bachmann is running out of characters. It is too restrictive.
I mean there's less classic series characters then CGI. I can reel off about 25-30 from the top of my head who are CGI characters Bachmann hasn't done without engines like Whiff and Harvey. But sure, they ate running out of CGI Characters. Only Hiro, Victor, Charlie, Scruff, logging locos, Belle, Norman, Luke, Stafford, Winston, Stephen, Connor, Caitlin, Millie, Porter, Gator, Timothy, Marion, Samson, Philip, Flying Scottsman, Glynn, the journey beyond sodor newbies, Nia, all the international engines who I can't remember their names and I'm too lazy too google. That's just off the top of my head without using the wikia. I don't agree with the mandate but to say they are "running out of characters" is factual wrong. Bachmann make the most of what they can do and let's be real they succeed otherwise we'd have lost interest a very long time ago.
The fact we're getting something like Mainland Diesel is pretty telling, I think. If they're stuck with this mandate than they're going to do their best with it. I haven't really considered this option before this point, but I've mentioned before I'm a collector of every vehicle character in the show. I think Bachmann could genuinely jump on a market by making characters without any merch period. The slippies, Fernando, Bradford, Brenda, Ruth in a figure pack and a Cleo accessory (well, Cleo probably wouldn't be liked but I digress) are some easy ones. Mainland Diesel is a first and got people talking about how out of nowhere of a pick it is, and how it's his first merch ever. More characters that are either out of left field, never have had merch before, or both could be a good thing to capitalize on. Heck Beau is proof it works. He was a pretty big preorder. As much as I don't like them someone like Marcio and Marcia could hit a similar niche (Although I feel like they'd be risker by nature of not only being tender engines but also twins) They're not out of options, maybe out of safer options, but even most of the model series guys have about the same levels of risk to them if the rules are lifted. I want the mandate to be lifted, really want Stepney, Murdoch, Arthur, and Molly. But they certainly are not out of options currently.
Mattel needs to realize that just because a character is old and hasn't been in the show for years does not mean that they are irrelevant as a product. Kids these days have access to the classic episodes on YouTube and other streaming services easily, nevermind all the fan videos that include older characters. It's an irrelevant point in a hobby that's nostalgia driven.
That said, I also suspect that the CGI mandate is because it's easier to make a CAD for an engine that has existing CGI files to follow, rather than trying to guess the proportions based on old prop reference photos.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on August 22, 2024, 11:18:13 PMMattel needs to realize that just because a character is old and hasn't been in the show for years does not mean that they are irrelevant as a product. Kids these days have access to the classic episodes on YouTube and other streaming services easily, nevermind all the fan videos that include older characters.
The kids know the characters, Mattel think the kids are dumb and won't know old Thomas characters. Just because a character hasn't appeared for years doesn't mean the kids who watch the show won't know them.
Quote from: Chaz on August 15, 2024, 01:36:51 PMWelcome back Falcon the Second! I always enjoyed reading your posts and I'm really glad to see you back on the forum again.
Thanks, Chaz! I have to admit it feels nice to comment on here again.
So to address the CGI mandate, it's worth saying as a casual fan that it's an unfair and especially illogical move to make in what is a nostalgia-driven hobby, as Cheeky-ULP pointed out. While the CGI seasons do have a good amount of characters and variants to produce, it still feels limiting when you're taking content from only half of a 24 seasons-long show into consideration for future product ideas. Also, if anyone happens to have a preference for any pre-CGI season(s), it only gets more limiting from there. To provide an example, the first 5 seasons and Magic Railroad are my personal preference for characters, but you'd only have Trevor, Butch and Diesel 10 to choose since they're among the last remaining characters from those productions who also appeared in CGI. If this mandate were ever lifted in the foreseeable future, I'd love to own a model of Stepney, Boco or Duke should any of them be announced and produced. The wait for them is evidently starting to get too long for most people's liking.
I get that Mattel has been wanting to disassociate themselves with the show's model-based generations for multiple years now, but it's only caused themselves and their partners more harm than good in the long term. It doesn't make much sense to keep running away from your own franchise's origins or big break. And in a day and age where most merchandise companies are taking less and less risks with character rosters, it's important for Mattel to understand that a good chunk of the pre-CGI cast still maintains some level of relevance and demand in the Bachmann community, and that the company deserves a little more flexibility with product choices. Despite their lack of recent appearances or digital model sheets, these characters would still be popular among casual and dedicated fans alike. If any one of the "big three" classic requests were considered, I duly hope their end result would be worthwhile for the fact that we've all been waiting for them for so long. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I still suspect a big reason the mandate exists is because of AEG. Mandating that the licensors stick to a main style of CGI for new things from one era outside of AEG helps prevent brand confusion. Mattel still pushes CGI and AEG simultaneously, and this mandate seems to have come about in a more recent negotiation in 2022. It also seems to be universal, as I've mentioned before Capsule Plarail has moved away from their goals of making everyone to making every CGI character. My hope would be once AEG is over and done with, so by 2026 ideally, Mattel would be more willing to lighten this restriction, and Bachmann could make the big 3 requests and then go back to CGI. Which frankly imagine they would anyway, as Cheeky said it's easier to use CAD files. But I think the big 3 (Stepney, BoCo, and Duke if that was not obvious) would be worth the exception for Bachmann in the long run.
With this said, if I am right, I do think trying to prevent brand confusion this way is silly since the model series is still released on select tv channels, streaming, and the official Youtube channel. One of the main thumbnails I see pop up has Stepney even. Not even counting the fact the real Stepney has his face on right now. Feel like that brand confusion would exist regardless of what Bachmann are allowed to do or not.
Tbh I know I'm one of the few people who are less against the mandate and I know Bachmann as a company care about us fans and genuinely listen and keep us modeling. I've said it before but I'll say it again it's been 15 years this year for Hero of the rails and the CGI switch 11 since King of the railway and what we know as the Brenner era. We can continue to point out "but YouTube, but we want" they know! Let's make the most of what we can do and trust Bachmann and Doug. I mean 2015 we were completely shocked by Skarloey, then N scale, The iconic summer announcements of Peter Sam and Daisy, HO scaled figures, the beautiful resin building (rip) Besides we've still got a nice little pool of CGI Characters that are liked by fans. Hiro, Stephen, Porter etc.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on August 23, 2024, 03:33:10 PMTbh I know I'm one of the few people who are less against the mandate and I know Bachmann as a company care about us fans and genuinely listen and keep us modeling. I've said it before but I'll say it again it's been 15 years this year for Hero of the rails and the CGI switch 11 since King of the railway and what we know as the Brenner era. We can continue to point out "but YouTube, but we want" they know! Let's make the most of what we can do and trust Bachmann and Doug. I mean 2015 we were completely shocked by Skarloey, then N scale, The iconic summer announcements of Peter Sam and Daisy, HO scaled figures, the beautiful resin building (rip) Besides we've still got a nice little pool of CGI Characters that are liked by fans. Hiro, Stephen, Porter etc.
I just don't like it being a mandate. I don't like it when parent companies limit their liscensors regardless. Everything you're saying is completely true but also, it is an unsatisfying answer. People will likely keep bringing this up here because it is an annoying limit that shouldn't be in place. I think that being unsatisfied with this current contract is completely fair as long as you also acknowledge that Bachmann still has plenty of ways to deliver to the fans. Both are statements that can coexist.
Gonna post my opinions about the mandate here and what model era stuff I could see Bachmann making if it gets lifted .
First off the main topic of this thread what model era characters they could make
Stepney has been long suggested and wanted by fans for many years if they did Stepney he would 100% have the season 12 CGI face . Now if diesel 10 happens (he has been suggested for so long he is bond to happen one day ) spatter and dodge should happen. And to finish the magic railroad cast lady would have to be done .
Lady has been a suggestion I have seen a lot of so I think she would be choice
BoCo is another engine we could see if the mandate gets lifted he is a classic Awdry character . Hank could be simlar to beau , Billy and Dennis could happen if we get Norman and Charlie .aside from narrow gauge engines I doubt anyone else could be made .
Honestly I don't like the mandate . However even if the mandate got lifted I doubt we would see a model series tender engine aside from Hank or Duke/Betrum .Even is Murdoch goes for so much on eBay . You have to remember that there was over a ten year gap between Douglas and Rebecca . And considering the fact that there are more popular tender engine characters who I would rather see over Murdoch Nevelle or Molly such as Hiro . A tender engine would be a huge investment so you would have to make sure that they would be a popular character compared to someone like Stepney or lady who would not be much of a risk . In summery even if the mandate gets lifted I doubt we will ever see a model series tender engine who would require a new tool .
However I doubt the mandate would ever get lifted .
But maybe they could still do Stepney if they give him the season 12 CGI face from Rosie's funfair special.
Anyway on to a new topic what do you guys think the 2025 special edition Thomas could be rn I am leaning towards a gold Thomas but who knows
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on August 23, 2024, 08:26:25 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on August 23, 2024, 03:33:10 PMTbh I know I'm one of the few people who are less against the mandate and I know Bachmann as a company care about us fans and genuinely listen and keep us modeling. I've said it before but I'll say it again it's been 15 years this year for Hero of the rails and the CGI switch 11 since King of the railway and what we know as the Brenner era. We can continue to point out "but YouTube, but we want" they know! Let's make the most of what we can do and trust Bachmann and Doug. I mean 2015 we were completely shocked by Skarloey, then N scale, The iconic summer announcements of Peter Sam and Daisy, HO scaled figures, the beautiful resin building (rip) Besides we've still got a nice little pool of CGI Characters that are liked by fans. Hiro, Stephen, Porter etc.
I just don't like it being a mandate. I don't like it when parent companies limit their liscensors regardless. Everything you're saying is completely true but also, it is an unsatisfying answer. People will likely keep bringing this up here because it is an annoying limit that shouldn't be in place. I think that being unsatisfied with this current contract is completely fair as long as you also acknowledge that Bachmann still has plenty of ways to deliver to the fans. Both are statements that can coexist.
But people don't do that and that's my overall point! Sometimes this thread feels like it should be renamed as "The CGI Mandate Thread" rather then it's actual title. It's very negative and draining. It's one reason why I left, it becomes page after page of negativity rather then people talking about the future. Now we can continue to push for what we want in a positive way and discussions or we can keep repeating the same lines about it. I know which I'd rather and my ending point which seems to have been completely lost was that Bachmann always surprises us, so I have no doubt be it in a cold day in February or a summers day in July or August that one day we'll see a model series character introduction and be all "well I wasn't expecting that! This is amazing" until then let's be POSITIVE and talk about what we'd like (model series included) rather the this be page after page being down on a situation Bachmann can't really do anything about and like I say as soon as they can we'll know because shock announcements lol.
While I don't like the CGI mandate, I'm sick of it constantly being brought up in this particular thread. Most of the time when I discuss possible new products the near future could announce, the conversation gets derailed (no pun intended) to someone complaining about the CGI mandate. We get it. We don't like the CGI mandate. If you hate it so much, why don't you just create a new thread, and take it there, instead of derailing conversations about possible new products; the ACTUAL purpose of this thread.
Seriously, I can't make a list or go into details of what I think is possible without someone just complaining about how bad the CGI mandate is. We get it.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on August 24, 2024, 01:51:14 AMWhile I don't like the CGI mandate, I'm sick of it constantly being brought up in this particular thread. Most of the time when I discuss possible new products the near future could announce, the conversation gets derailed (no pun intended) to someone complaining about the CGI mandate. We get it. We don't like the CGI mandate. If you hate it so much, why don't you just create a new thread, and take it there, instead of derailing conversations about possible new products; the ACTUAL purpose of this thread.
Seriously, I can't make a list or go into details of what I think is possible without someone just complaining about how bad the CGI mandate is. We get it.
It's continually brought up in a thread about future predictions because it's a genuine hindrance to any realistic future predictions. Most comments people make about it are fair and constructive, and getting angry about such discussions is doing more harm to yourself than others.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on August 24, 2024, 02:31:02 AMQuote from: TrainFan97 on August 24, 2024, 01:51:14 AMWhile I don't like the CGI mandate, I'm sick of it constantly being brought up in this particular thread. Most of the time when I discuss possible new products the near future could announce, the conversation gets derailed (no pun intended) to someone complaining about the CGI mandate. We get it. We don't like the CGI mandate. If you hate it so much, why don't you just create a new thread, and take it there, instead of derailing conversations about possible new products; the ACTUAL purpose of this thread.
Seriously, I can't make a list or go into details of what I think is possible without someone just complaining about how bad the CGI mandate is. We get it.
It's continually brought up in a thread about future predictions because it's a genuine hindrance to any realistic future predictions. Most comments people make about it are fair and constructive, and getting angry about such discussions is doing more harm to yourself than others.
Okay, maybe I missed the point. It is genuine hindrance to realistic future predictions. Sorry if I sounded too angry about it. Of course I want characters like Stepney, BoCo and Duke. I should've known those complaints actually were fair and constructive. I just wasn't sure if any amount of this would accomplish the goal. I wanted to get back on topic, but ended up making a fool of myself instead.
I was just agreeing with what Mulfred said about conversations like that, that we might as well change the name to the "CGI mandate thread". I don't mean to cause any disharmony.
So with Stephen I figured rather then me echoing myself I'd use my Instagram as a bit of a data poll to see what others think I threw out a poll which is one poll so it's not gospel and my following is only 2755 and the poll itself was seen 539 and out of that 539 only 110 actually took part giving their view however the results are here
poll and what was aksed
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results
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63 voted yes they'd buy Bachmann Stephen. 18 voted no they wouldn't buy Stephen and 29 voted for I'll decide when the model is revealed. Again I'm just someone making a poll on my account so I hold no weight really nor can really follow that up with who voted no who actually collects Bachmann, or anything like that but it's just a little bit of data research to show that there is a bit the fandom who would get behind the model and a potential pool who could be won around once the model is revealed. Thank you for reading and if you happen to be one of the people who voted thank you for participating.
Quote from: Jake86 on June 25, 2024, 03:53:20 AMI was going to ask whether Bachmann would be able to create the red composite and brake express coaches which are the same as the original in 2006 different to the 2nd design 2022 and the new design will be red doors black rooftops with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series Henry pulls them in episode Cows Old Iron Percy and The Signal Duck Takes Charge The Runaway Better Late Than Never Henry's Forest Edward pulls them in episode Old Iron Duck pulls them in Pop Goes The Diesel and James pulls them in episode Edwards Exploit I would like to see Gordon's express composite and brake coaches which are the same as the original in the 1st design green doors and black rooftops but with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series first episode Thomas Percy and the Coal to Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree 1986 if you like the idea please let me know thanks
That's a decent idea Jake, the only problem being I don't know if Bachmann would have access to the reference material for them. We know they have refs for the 2000 era promo drawing style, CGI of course, Season 8 (presumably onwards as well because of Jeremy and the circus vans), and many eras of existing toys. But stuff from old seasons, would they even have access to those? Would they even want to make something so similar to their already existing coaches. I'm unsure.
Similarly on the unsure camp is Stephen. He'd be a great seller and is a good pick, I think. Only problem I can see is the lack of eyemech. We know that no eye mech isn't a deal breaker with Beau, but he also had the headlight they could advertise in place of the lack of eyes. This could be a solution for someone like Philip and maybe Glynn as well. But Stephen I'm not sure. Him being Stephenson's rocket should be enough in my opinion but idk if that's how it'll work. This is actually something I hope we can get clarification on sooner rather than later. Now that we know NMRA height doesn't matter, I want to know the opposite. Are characters that are too small for an eye mech able to still be made as well? Knowing will be really useful for gauging future predictions because I think that will open their opportunities even more so.
Well regarding moving eyes we do know that engines who are too small or there's no room (Beau) can still be made. We just need to look at the NG line for that or even N scale or G Scale Winston. Yeah his design isn't a typical but other modeling companies have managed it and with Stephen there's the added room of his smoke box which the actual rocket just has the funnel. Sales wise like every engine when done with care they sell brilliantly. One of the main reasons I keep coming back to Stephen is the fact the Open Coach is being made, which yeah it was shown in season 16 but its notably connected to Ulfstead and Stephen pulling his Tours around the castle. As always time will tell. I've made my case and I've done the research and tried to carry out some Polling so it's not just me saying "I'd like Stephen".
Yeah, there's definitely data for him, heck if I knew about it I would have voted for him. But I do wonder if they'll get more experimental with engines without eyemechs going forward. Cause Beau is still billed with operating headlight he has something, and while he's not billed with its Winston can have people sit in him that's the gimmick. Then the other scales don't have that precedent of the preexisting moving eyes in the lineup. We have yet to get any in HO or G that doesn't have at least some play feature. Time will tell like you said though and him specifically would pair well with the open carriage. I want him to be made for sure. And I think Bachmann really should capitalize on smaller vehicles going forward. There are so many options who may be too small or too weird for an eyemech that just having Stephen destroy that precedent would be amazing. Glynn, Flynn, Dart/Natalie, Stafford, etc. I think in theory they could probably squeeze the mech in some of these guys, but having the luxury to not have to would go a long way I think.
Stephen I definitely think should be first. But my overall suggestion would be to really go all in on these smaller scale characters once they work through the remaining big cgi heavy hitters. Or even between as a calmer year pick. They'd be easier to produce so they could be good filler choices
I wish Bachmann would move away from the moving eye gimmick. It only overcomplicates the mechanisms, and puts more strain on them. Sacrificing the eye mechanism for characters like Stephen (my most wanted), Glynn, and even Samson would be ideal.
Hiro seems to be the #1 priority for the next new tooling for HO Scale. If we could get Kevin, as well as Victor for Narrow Gauge, we could get the Hero of the Rails trifecta.
The 80th Anniversary product for HO Scale can be Gold Thomas. We could also get a Silver Percy. One Class 08 recolor that would actually be fitting for the 80th Anniversary would be Bronze Diesel. So Gold Thomas, Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel can be 80th Anniversary Special Edition products, just like what Wooden Railway had for the 60th Anniversary 20 years ago. I wonder how they'd look if Bachmann made them for HO Scale.
For N Scale, on the other hand, the 80th Anniversary products would be Edward, LBSC Thomas and Origin James. After Edward, the next N Scale engine could be Duck, Oliver, Mavis, Donald and Douglas, or Spencer. Like Henry, Spencer can also recycle Gordon's chassis, and he can be the next big engine for the N Scale range. Duck and Oliver would be higher priorities than Donald and Douglas.
Hiya everyone! This is my first post, and I figured I'd put my suggestions for the range:
HO Scale:
Whiff, because I'd imagine not only because of the fact he'd fit the CGI mandate, but also the lack of side rods could be one less thing to consider, making him easier to make compared to the other 95% characters who have side-rods. Granted, he'd also be a new tooling, but it would be nice to have him in HO Scale...
Hiro, hopefully if Rebecca succeeds, in which I'd buy her not only to see a potential model of Hiro to be made, but another SR class engine be made to add to my collection.
Stephen, an interesting project if they do manage to make him since he's the "real-life" Stephenson's Rocket in the TV series, as well as them making the open-topped coach coming soon.
Glynn, similar to if they make another addition to the Estate Railway with Stephen, plus would be fitting to have him w/ Sir Topham Hatt's figure in his cab.
Silver Spencer, to update him to his Season 10 onwards appearance/CGI series model.
Rolling Stock
The Liverpool and Manchester coach, same reason with Stephen/Glynn and the open topped coach, it would be a nice addition for the Estate Railway if they do plan on making them.
Gordon's Special Coaches from Season 10's Emily and the Special Coaches. Perfect pair of Composite and Brake coaches for Gordon to pull and not be one offs ever.
This suggestion might be a weird one, but I was thinking they make James/Thomas's "new" troublesome trucks from Season 9's Thomas' New Trucks, to perhaps make another new face for some troublesome trucks.
Also after the announcement of the 12 Ton Van, certainly another Troublesome Truck #7+ would be fitting for the new tooling, or at the very least the Troublesome Oil Tankers from JBS, whichever one they can go with.
OO9 Narrow Gauge
Victor, to add alongside Hiro if he gets made, but also seeing that after Sir Handel and Duncan are on the way they'll definitely need to make him next.
Luke, probably after Victor, unless if his side rods may need to be retooled a bit to run perfectly.
Millie, if Stephen and/or Glynn get made, another perfect candidate to go alongside the Estate Railway gang.
Open-topped coach (the red one Millie pulls), would be fitting to see people make Ada, Jane, and Mabel from these.
If they run out of the remaining NG characters that appeared in CGI, then we have these options left since these characters at least exist:
Duke/Bertram
Proteus, using Sir Handel, definitely a repaint that's doable w/ an added headlamp.
Smudger, using Rheneas, it can be done even if the model is using Rheneas' CGI model.
Freddie
Mighty Mac
*I don't collect these since next suggestions I only do HO/OO9 models, but ideas are arriving in my mind*
Large Scale
Edward, no question for at least their 80th Anniversary announcement in which they'd just have to modify a bit of James to make him fit.
LBSC Thomas, repaints like the HO scale, as well as 80th Anniversary suggestion.
Origin James, same as LBSC Thomas.
N Scale
Edward, LBSC Thomas, & Origin James: same as the LG scale suggestion.
After them, future suggestions here and there:
Oliver, to go with Toad the Brake Van.
Duck, might as well keep making the numbers consistent after Toby.
Donald and Douglas, to see their CGI variants make an appearance in this scale would be amazing...!
Salty/Mavis, at least another diesel that's not a Class 08 Diesel/Paxton remake for now.
Rosie (red/magenta variant), would be amazing if Bachmann made 2 versions, but knowing them I'd say they'd make the Red version since she's updated to that paintwork...
I would just buy a Bachmann Stephen.
Would anybody here care for an HO scale Jeremiah Jobling figure?
After rewatching Thomas and the magic railroad I would like a splatter and dodge. Prolly not a high demand item but i can dream. Obviously other great characters first but ahh well.
Quote from: Coaltronn on August 29, 2024, 09:29:02 AMAfter rewatching Thomas and the magic railroad I would like a splatter and dodge. Prolly not a high demand item but i can dream. Obviously other great characters first but ahh well.
I would like to see Splatter and Dodge as well.
As I have said before, they already have the chassis and body shell (the 'Arry/Bert shell and chassis) and given that Splatter and Dodge always appear onscreen with identical faces, the only new part Bachmann would need to make would be a single face that can be used for both models!
They can be a quick way to get out new characters quickly and cheaply if they need to. And given that a lot of the Thomas Tuesday Streams show that a lot of modelers already make their own custom Splatter and Dodge, there would definitely be a market for them!
Quote from: Jake86 on August 24, 2024, 07:25:11 AMQuote from: Jake86 on June 25, 2024, 03:53:20 AMI was going to ask whether Bachmann would be able to create the red composite and brake express coaches which are the same as the original in 2006 different to the 2nd design 2022 and the new design will be red doors black rooftops with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series Henry pulls them in episode Cows Old Iron Percy and The Signal Duck Takes Charge The Runaway Better Late Than Never Henry's Forest Edward pulls them in episode Old Iron Duck pulls them in Pop Goes The Diesel and James pulls them in episode Edwards Exploit and Gordon pulls them in episode A Bad Day For Sir Handel I would like to see Gordon's express composite and brake coaches which are the same as the original in the 1st design green doors and black rooftops but with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series first episode Thomas Percy and the Coal to Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree 1986 if you like the idea please let me know thanks
I think Bachmann needs to make a Skarloey Narrow Gauge starter set at one point. Now that they've released some brake vans, now would be the time. My idea is that I the set will consist of Skarloey, two blue & white NG coaches and one blue NG brake van. And it would include N scale EZ-Track to form an oval loop and a controller.
Quote from: [email protected] on August 31, 2024, 10:12:57 PMI think Bachmann needs to make a Skarloey Narrow Gauge starter set at one point.
surprised they haven't done one so far
A narrow gauge set is a good idea.
I think it should come with some exclusive rolling stock
The set should come with
Skarloey
Red narrow gauge coach
Brown narrow gauge brakevan
This set if given this exclusive rolling stock could sell really well. Both of the rolling stock would be simple repaints so it could be easy to do .
Speaking of narrow gauge what about some troublesome slate trucks with the faces from JBS . While in the movie they are standard gauge they are clearly modeled after the season 4 ng ones .
Another thing i'm surprised Bachmann haven't done yet is the Red Narrow Gauge Coach. If Bachmann looking for a lazy repaint to do for the NG line the Red Narrow Gauge Coach to me is number 1 it's iconic. (And Smudger but that's not gonna happen)
Also I'd like to see the Cream coach as well and with the figures on the way and said coach is an open coach that could work out.
The Glen Valley coaches would be nice and go good with the Talyllyn coaches we have already.
Also I can't be the only one who was disappointed the fact the Blue coaches didn't have a face lol. I hope Bachmann will rerelease the Blue coaches with a face. If they make the Red coaches I want a face on those as well I doubt this will happen that's just me being a delusional classic era fan.
It does not matter if they do have a face or not. They are still nice coaches regardless.
Some people on here have previously suggested making a Blue Donald and Douglas for the 80th Anniversary in 2025, and I wanted to bring that idea up again, seeing as it is the last few months of the year, and the 80th Anniversary is rapidly approaching. Indeed, it would be extremely easy to make Blue Donald and Douglas, given that all they have to do would be recolor the models they already have in production: they don't even have to make a new face! They have done this before for a Thomas anniversary, with the 70th Anniversary LBSC Thomas recolor being made. And if in regards to the CGI mandate, they HAVE done the Busy Bee James recolor, which is a recolor that only appeared in a single episode of the model series, not ever CGI.
Given that fans and modelers have wanted Blue Donald and Douglas for years, and many have gone and repainted regular Bachmann Donald and Douglas into Blue Bachmann Donald and Douglas themselves, they would definitely sell. And given that Blue Donald and Douglas would be just recolors of already existing models, all that would be needed to be changed would be the color: it would not cost a lot to make them. It would honestly be a way to make a big profit out of a small investment. And if that happens, Bachmann can continue to make the Blue Donald and Douglas after the 80th Anniversary. Win-win-win!
Given that Bachmann are making the Mainland Diesel, another, more obscure reason that can be presented for creating Blue Donald and Douglas would be so people who want to remake Escape! with the Mainland Diesels as Other Railway Diesels will have the option of making both the TV Series AND Railway Series versions! And Escape is one of the most memorable story and episode of the series, so people will definitely want to remake it at some point.
Blue Donald and Douglas in HO Scale would bring Railway Series recolors into the picture, as they were never in the TV Series, and kept their black liveries for budget reasons. I feel they'll most likely go the Gold Thomas route for HO Scale, with maybe Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel. We can hope Mattel approves of Donald and Douglas in their blue liveries, despite never being seen in the TV Series. Gold Thomas, Silver Percy, and Bronze Diesel were special edition products Wooden Railway had for the 60th Anniversary, and can be made with existing toolings in HO Scale. There was one episode where Bill and Ben had blue liveries. Blue Bill and Ben would be niche recolors, like Green Salty. They're all very simple repaints of existing toolings without requiring new face molds.
Narrow Gauge repaints of existing toolings that only appeared in the model series include Smudger and Proteus. Both of which do require new faces. Proteus would need an added headlamp, which Rosie got with her red livery. Smudger and Proteus being made would make Splatter and Dodge possible for HO Scale.
Blue Donald and Douglas sound like nice 80th anniversary models, but I feel like a 'Railway Series' colored Toby would be a nice 80th anniversary model as well as a better test for the market on book-based models. Toby's a popular seller in the range, and a much easier investment to justify than both of the scots! His book look's blue side-plates and brighter woodwork would likely catch the eyes of children and parents who don't even know what the redeco is referencing, too... That's just my thoughts anyway. It'd probably be an easier sell for Bachmann if we rally beind 'Railway Series' Toby rather than 'Railway Series' Donald and Douglas, ha ha.
As for other redecos, the suggestions I've seen here all sound fine, but the only redeco other than a 'Railway Series' look that I'd be willing to dip into HO to get is a Pink James. I feel like having two James redecos on the market already is sort of pushing it, but James is my favorite engine and Pink is my favorite color, and that Series 13 episode sadly never had any toys based on it released in the USA. So if Bachmann would be kind enough to make a Pink James just for me, it'd be greatly appreciated, ha ha!
Since it's 15 years since the CGI era started, I think Bachmann could have a crack at one of the Nitrogen era character that not too many like as the hatred for the era has died down (and they are starting to do Sidney next).
Dash and Bash wouldn't be too hard, but the problem isn't so much the reception on Misty Island, but rather because of Ferdinand. Because I heard from the grapevine that Bachmann likely won't do another tender engine unless Rebecca sells well, and that preorders for her aren't that high compare to Beau (who keep in mind, is a retool). And while Dash and Bash do sell fine together without Ferdinand, I still think it wouldn't be complete without all three.
Belle is a mid range tank engine with water cannons, though unlike Harvey or Diesel 10, they don't need a lot of detailing as they don't have a lot of complicated parts. Though like with Dash and Bash, the only thing holding Belle back is that she's paired with Flynn, who might be a complicated character Bachmann would have to deal with. Granted, they had done road vehicles on rails, but the thing about Flynn is that he goes on both road and rails. Another factor is that he has a small trailer, which we don't know if that classifies as a tender engine or not.
I do think den and dart should be the next 2 characters from this era they should make aside from Luke Hiro and Victor of course . They are fan favorites.
These ideas for quick redecos are great as well. Particularly, I would DEFINITELY buy RWS Toby, especially as I have been intending to give my Bachmann Toby Models blue sideplates.
Something I just realized was that another argument one could make in favor of Blue Donald and Douglas is Bachmann does already make Douglas' nemesis, the Spiteful Brake Van, it its Railway Series book livery. This was probably based on the old Wooden Railway Model, but it is still a great detail. It would be GREAT to be able to recreate Railway Series Book 15: The Twin Engines, with the Bachmann Spiteful Brakevan, black Bachmann Donald and Douglas, and potential Blue Donald and Douglas!
I'm gonna say this and provide my reasons. Simply taking the already existing tooling and painting it in a RWS livery might sound good on paper but seriously look at the details of both ready available tooling and their RWS counter parts. There's so much detail that would be absent and it would just create a backlash from purists. We get it now because an diesel has closed windows or because something isn't 100%. The only engines I can see RWS recolours working for is the Skarloey gang and even that's a bit of a stretch. The TV and to a certain extent the CGI models are simplistic versions of what the RWS engines are. Take Toby, he's got more lamp irons, his face is smaller, he has the spark thing on his funnel, his windows are a different shape on the side, if you want to get really deep he has a face on both sides without the already imperfections in Toby. It's the same for the Scottish twins, pipe detailing is missing, depending on when they are being modelled off steps are missing (which both have on the running board frames in the early books) it might seem nitpicking but you need to think about that. Think of the market and what's out there. We've seen how amazing some RWS customs are and each year there's something new for them to make more accurate versions of engines because there's J50 trams on the market, because there's now Caledonian Railway 812 and 652 Classes on the market. Yes it would be amazing to have ready to run RWS engines. But do you want a good ready made RWS engine or do you want just something based off the tv series in RWS colours? And even then basing something off the RWS someone's gonna be like "why are Bachmann modelling that of Spong's artwork, this artist is clearly better!"
While it may sound like a good idea to have Donald and Douglas in their blue liveries, and Toby with blue side plates, but to make them exactly like they are in the RWS is a lot more than just a simple repaint. Personally, I'd much rather see characters like Smudger, Proteus, Splatter and Dodge get made, since although they only appeared in the model series, and do require new face molds, their toolings exist. Smudger would use Rheneas' tooling. Proteus would use Sir Handel's tooling (with an added headlamp). Splatter and Dodge would use the Class 08 tooling, most likely 'Arry and Bert's because they don't have stepladders. Splatter and Dodge could both use the same face as well.
Once we run out of options for CGI Narrow Gauge engines, Mattel will have to let Bachmann make more model series characters. I do hope we don't have to wait that long to get repaints of existing toolings like Smudger and Proteus.
I do wonder if Rheneas' tooling could also be used to make Dolgoch. Midlander would unfortunately require a new tooling because Midlander has greatly evolved from the form Rusty was based off of. Edward Thomas could possibly be made using Peter Sam's tooling. Sir Haydn could definitely be made using Sir Handel's tooling. As for Duncan, the Talyllyn Railway would want him to be as accurate to Douglas as possible, so that Douglas could even be made using Duncan's tooling. The fact that Sir Handel was made to be as accurate to Sir Haydn as possible gives hope that Duncan won't look too much like his infamous CGI render, but actually looking more accurate to Douglas.
A blue Donald, Douglas and a chocolate and blue Toby would be just so cool for the 80th anniversary announcements, but would they use the same faces as current or would they use the Railway Series faces as drawn by Clive Spong?
I would be fine with the models and faces for Blue Donald and Douglas and Railway Series book Toby just being the same model shapes and faces, as only having to recolor the models would be a good incentive for Bachmann to release them, as they would be low cost to make. Otherwise, we might not get them at all.
I would also like to see Splatter and Dodge, as well as Smudger and Proteus, that would only require a new face be made (and a lamp for Proteus), as they already have their basis. ('Arry and Bert for Splatter and Dodge, Rheneas for Smudger, and Sir Handel for Proteus )
Quote from: Mulfred100 on September 06, 2024, 10:35:36 AMI'm gonna say this and provide my reasons. Simply taking the already existing tooling and painting it in a RWS livery might sound good on paper but seriously look at the details of both ready available tooling and their RWS counter parts. There's so much detail that would be absent and it would just create a backlash from purists. We get it now because an diesel has closed windows or because something isn't 100%. The only engines I can see RWS recolours working for is the Skarloey gang and even that's a bit of a stretch. The TV and to a certain extent the CGI models are simplistic versions of what the RWS engines are. Take Toby, he's got more lamp irons, his face is smaller, he has the spark thing on his funnel, his windows are a different shape on the side, if you want to get really deep he has a face on both sides without the already imperfections in Toby. It's the same for the Scottish twins, pipe detailing is missing, depending on when they are being modelled off steps are missing (which both have on the running board frames in the early books) it might seem nitpicking but you need to think about that. Think of the market and what's out there. We've seen how amazing some RWS customs are and each year there's something new for them to make more accurate versions of engines because there's J50 trams on the market, because there's now Caledonian Railway 812 and 652 Classes on the market. Yes it would be amazing to have ready to run RWS engines. But do you want a good ready made RWS engine or do you want just something based off the tv series in RWS colours? And even then basing something off the RWS someone's gonna be like "why are Bachmann modelling that of Spong's artwork, this artist is clearly better!"
I hate to be that guy, but it seems like this post just fell on a lot of Deaf ears...
Frankly, I feel like some of these railway series repaints that are being suggested don't really have a wide enough appeal to them. Sure some older fans might like them but younger kids with parents aren't going to really know or really care about why Donald and Douglas are in blue or why Toby has blue sideplates. Origin James only happened because it was something that appeared on screen and the LBSC Thomas and both of the James repaints worked because of that. And again as Mulfred said, some older fans may take interest as well but most aren't going to bother when there's better options out there if you want something more accurate to the books/illustrations.
If hypothetical RWS models were produced for a limited run in a small batch, I could see them working to some degree as a "novelty" collectors item, rather than something people would look at and expect to see as a legitimate RWS model, especially when it's just meant to be a quick, cheap repaint to celebrate an anniversary milestone for the franchise.
That said, I feel like Toby, Donald and Douglas' RWS appearances are a bit too 'niche' for a profitable anniversary model. If I were to suggest an 80th Anniversary Bachmann repaint, I would suggest an "NW Toy" Thomas livery, like what Wooden Railway did a few years ago:
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I think some of the design choices and hue of Thomas' blue would make it distinctive enough from the LBSCR Thomas. If Bachmann feels it's too-soon to make right now though, since the LBSC Thomas just came out a few years ago, I could see them saving this for the brands 85th Anniversary.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on September 06, 2024, 03:21:58 PMI do wonder if Rheneas' tooling could also be used to make Dolgoch.
I think we haven't gotten Dolgoch yet is they are waiting to see how Talyllyn and her various paint jobs sells first.
I do think it is unlikely that they make an RWS Toby, Donald, Douglas, or Skarloey Engines for one simple reason. They probably don't have refs for those. We know most of their refs come from promos, actual ruler photos/CGI model ortho sheets, and existing toys. It is unlikely they would choose to make a design not directly in the reference material they are provided. Unless we find out someday that they are provided with scans from the books or the original paintings, I simply do not think these are in the cards. With that said, the original Thomas model proposed in this thread would be a good choice if they so choose. It's an existing toy they can directly reference and therefore much easier to color pick from. In theory they could also do the weird blue green Henry from TWR, but I don't think there would be much need for that specific variant. It's not accurate to the book illustration already and it'd be hard to really actually use on a model railroad.
I've made my stance on recolors clear before, I don't think many would be good ideas aside from other actual characters, Emily with her number, and a Silver Spencer. I don't think many people would be actually willing to buy crash variants, or green Salty, or what have you due to their hefty price tag. I'd say most of those RWS designs would be good exceptions but see my explanation above. However, I'd be willing to add 1945 Thomas to that list of good candidates as well. I think a livery based on that would be really cute and would be popular with fans. I don't think it's particularly likely, but I can get behind that
The only reason Bachmann hasn't announced Dolgoch yet is because they're waiting to see how well the Talyllyn variants sell first. If they're big sellers, Bachmann could then make Dolgoch using Rheneas' tooling.
So here's a random almost midnight thought I had the other night and I'm curious to know how you guys would feel about this.
So on the subject of Bachmann eventually running out of narrow gauge engine ideas (with the CGI mandate in mind), would you guys be happy if Bachmann announced Freddie as the next new narrow gauge engine because he would be based on the prop from the model era? Or would you be annoyed or even disappointed that Bachmann would have completely glanced over Duke in favor of Freddie? I asked a few friends this and the results were shockingly mixed but I'm curious to know what people on here think.
It honestly wouldn't bother me just so long as we get them.
In regards to all the suggestions listed here, I think it is good to at least put the suggestions out there, to give Bachmann potential ideas that they would not have considered before, be they simple repaints of existing models, repaints of models combined with a new face to make another character, using or modifying an already existing tooling to make a character, or even a whole new mold completely. They may or may not make them, but if they don't know about them, then they definitely will not make them, so it is good to at least put the ideas out there.
And Bachmann has surprised us in the past. From what I heard, Bachmann recolored their Red Composite and Brake Coaches into the obscure Toby's Museum Composite and Brake Coaches after being inspired by a post on Twitter/X that was a photoshop by SodorRyModeler. And hey, maybe Bachmann might be inspired to make the suggested repaints of Donald, Douglas, Toby, 80 anniversary Thomas, Etc. if they saw fans recolor them using Bachmann's already existing models and faces. ;D
I think it is at least good to get the ideas out there, and give Bachmann more ideas on what they can do for new products in the future. If it is never mentioned, chances are it may never happen, so let us at least put the suggestions on the table. You never know unless you try.
Quote from: Chaz on September 07, 2024, 09:06:16 PMSo here's a random almost midnight thought I had the other night and I'm curious to know how you guys would feel about this.
So on the subject of Bachmann eventually running out of narrow gauge engine ideas (with the CGI mandate in mind), would you guys be happy if Bachmann announced Freddie as the next new narrow gauge engine because he would be based on the prop from the model era? Or would you be annoyed or even disappointed that Bachmann would have completely glanced over Duke in favor of Freddie? I asked a few friends this and the results were shockingly mixed but I'm curious to know what people on here think.
I think I would be annoyed if Bachmann chose to make Freddie over Duke, but I think it would be fine if they release Freddie first, and after make a model of Duke also. I don't model Bachmann Thomas Narrow Gauge, so I don't know too much about that, I'm afraid.
Quote from: Chaz on September 07, 2024, 09:06:16 PMSo here's a random almost midnight thought I had the other night and I'm curious to know how you guys would feel about this.
So on the subject of Bachmann eventually running out of narrow gauge engine ideas (with the CGI mandate in mind), would you guys be happy if Bachmann announced Freddie as the next new narrow gauge engine because he would be based on the prop from the model era? Or would you be annoyed or even disappointed that Bachmann would have completely glanced over Duke in favor of Freddie? I asked a few friends this and the results were shockingly mixed but I'm curious to know what people on here think.
I'm torn. On one hand Duke completes the Awdry group so it'd probably be better to get him first. But they've also commented on how Duncan "completes the family" before and by nature of having a number Freddie would be required to complete that again. Mattel also really likes Freddie so that may boost his chances as well. But then again if we get the other 3 cgi guys wouldn't the need for Freddie to be next not really matter? With that said, he might be the way to go for the first model guy. Duke and Mighty Mac both have their basis already available in the scale, so they'd have a lot less appeal for general kit bashers unlike the rest of the line. I do not believe Freddie's basis has this option, so prioritizing him for the model only guys would also be a very smart move.
Speaking of anniversaries, it was pretty cool how Bachmann announced Donald, Douglas and Diesel to mark the 100th anniversary of Wilbert V Awdry's birth.
Quote from: Chaz on September 07, 2024, 09:06:16 PMSo here's a random almost midnight thought I had the other night and I'm curious to know how you guys would feel about this.
So on the subject of Bachmann eventually running out of narrow gauge engine ideas (with the CGI mandate in mind), would you guys be happy if Bachmann announced Freddie as the next new narrow gauge engine because he would be based on the prop from the model era? Or would you be annoyed or even disappointed that Bachmann would have completely glanced over Duke in favor of Freddie? I asked a few friends this and the results were shockingly mixed but I'm curious to know what people on here think.
I think the classic series fan inside me would love Duke to be made first however I know the appeal of Freddie is very board and he is alot more relevant Merchandise wise. So I'd be OK with either arriving into the range as while I prefer Duke personally I know Freddie will sell giving Bachmann confidence to take a chance and make Duke. I also think going back to my idea regarding Stephen that Millie would be a great introduction into the range and would make the castle estate gang more complete. She's had quite a bit of Merchandise over the years but sadly seems to introduced just before a rebrand with that Merchandise line so it'll be nice to have a consistent and stable Bachmann make her
I feel Freddie is more likely than Duke. Although Freddie never appeared in full CGI, he still had merchandise during that era. Bachmann hasn't made a model of Russell, which if Bachmann was to make Freddie, they can make Russell using his tooling. I don't think they made a model of Prince for Duke, either. Either way, those two characters would be new toolings. If they were to make Mighty Mac, they would use the Bachmann UK Double Fairlie tooling. Mighty Mac had buffers, but would look more accurate to their basis without them.
Quote from: Chaz on September 07, 2024, 09:06:16 PMSo here's a random almost midnight thought I had the other night and I'm curious to know how you guys would feel about this.
So on the subject of Bachmann eventually running out of narrow gauge engine ideas (with the CGI mandate in mind), would you guys be happy if Bachmann announced Freddie as the next new narrow gauge engine because he would be based on the prop from the model era? Or would you be annoyed or even disappointed that Bachmann would have completely glanced over Duke in favor of Freddie? I asked a few friends this and the results were shockingly mixed but I'm curious to know what people on here think.
I think I would be so happy I would not care . Because that would be so cool they are doing a model series character . Duke should be after Freddie tho . Smudger and proteus would be cool to see though . As for MightyMac I think they could happen and would be a easy repaint of the double farlie Bachmann offers in the UK .
Millie Victor and Luke need to happen before any of this tho . So they got in total 9 narrow gauge engines to do .
I think it would be very baffling if Bachmann made Freddie before Duke, as they could just license the PECO tooling out to make the latter, like they did for the first rolling stock in the range. Duke would be the objectively cheaper and quicker option.
Bachmann doesn't have the Prince tooling for Duke, but PECO does, so Bachmann could just license PECO's Prince tooling to make Duke. If Bachmann licensed PECO's toolings to get the first Narrow Gauge rolling stock, they can do the same for Duke. Freddie would require a new tooling, which would be used to make Russell as well.
I do think it's rather telling they went back and fixed the previous vans to more accurately reflect the props and also the real vans on the TR. Granted Duke doesn't have the latter going for him, but I'd be shocked if they just licensed the tooling from PECO instead of making their own. Not impossible, I just don't see it personally. Wouldn't be shocked if the PECO open wagon currently still in the line is discontinued once the new BMQ ones come out. Not the exact same model but given how much higher the peco's RRP is we can assume the licensing is not cheap, so may be something they don't want to keep around for long.
Who or what is Russell?
Just throwing it out there the prince loco by Peco isn't Die-cast like the Skarloey engines. Same with the Double Fairlie only the running board is Die-cast on that. So while it might be Cheaper but Duke would also not be a Die-cast model like the rest of the range. So when/if they do make Duke it'll probably be new Tooling to keep him in line with the rest of the range, same with Mighty Mac especially with then buffers.
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 09, 2024, 02:58:40 AMWho or what is Russell?
In case you don't know, Russell is Freddie's basis.
I was going to ask whether Bachmann would be able to create the red composite and brake express coaches which are the same as the original in 2006 different to the 2nd design 2022 and the new design will be red doors black rooftops with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series Henry pulls them in episode Cows Old Iron Percy and The Signal Duck Takes Charge The Runaway Better Late Than Never Henry's Forest Edward pulls them in episode Old Iron Duck pulls them in Pop Goes The Diesel and James pulls them in episode Edwards Exploit and Gordon pulls them in episode A Bad Day For Sir Handel and Donald pulls them in episode Paint Pots and Queens I would like to see Gordon's express composite and brake coaches which are the same as the original in the 1st design green doors and black rooftops but with white windows which was seen in the season 2 series first episode Thomas Percy and the Coal to Thomas and the Missing Christmas Tree 1986 if you like the idea please let me know thanks
I was wondering whether you would be interested in creating Gordon's buffet express coach which has green doors cream windows black rooftops and yellow stripe which was seen in series 6 as well as red buffet express coach which has red doors black rooftops cream windows and yellow stripe if you like the idea please let me know thanks
That I'd love to see.
You know what I think could be possible? If Bachmann need to find some filler elements in regards to repaints, Perhaps we can have the following:
Bill & Ben being blue could be an interesting repaint if Bachmann needed some filler to keep the line going. If we got a Busy Bee James, Origin James, Red Rosie, LBSC Thomas, and Yellow BMM Rheneas, then hopefully the blue versions of Bill and Ben can be easier to make since they're tank engines.
Another possibility if needed is Salty, since we never have had a repaint of a diesel before, which should be interesting to see if this can be done.
I'd be curious to see if they did yet another James model as...:
I mean if they made a Busy Bee James and Origins James, I wouldn't be surprised if this Pink Undercoat James was released as yet another filler addition if needed, though I'll admit that'll be too many James' out of the models in the Bachmann range.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on September 08, 2024, 09:32:08 PMI'd be shocked if they just licensed the tooling from PECO instead of making their own. Not impossible, I just don't see it personally. Wouldn't be shocked if the PECO open wagon currently still in the line is discontinued once the new BMQ ones come out. Not the exact same model but given how much higher the peco's RRP is we can assume the licensing is not cheap, so may be something they don't want to keep around for long.
I have to agree on this. I honestly think that the gray open wagon Is probably on the choppping block next year.
To be honest, we don't need another James variant . Pink undercoat Thomas could happen . But I honestly think gold Thomas could happen next year. Silver Spencer is another one I saw suggested But wouldn't they do like a silver Percy to fit in with Thomas?
Another idea I have had was to do a pink Thomas as seen in the adventure begins and Emily with number 12 maybe give her a headlight or something to make her a little bit more different
Gold Thomas would be the best, and most likely 80th Anniversary idea for HO Scale, along with Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel, just like Wooden Railway did 20 years ago. Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel would both fit in with Gold Thomas, and they would all be 80th Anniversary Special Editions.
N Scale should get Edward, LBSC Thomas and Origin James, as 80th Anniversary products. After Edward gets announced for N Scale, the next engine should be one who does the Great Western way of doing things: Duck. Then we could get Oliver, Donald and Douglas for N Scale too.
One thing I've been thinking of regarding N scale is what a Holiday set could eventually look like. We've had many HO versions over the years. With Candy cane tankers, Emily's coach with decorations, a 7 plank with a tree inside, Santa's sleigh on a 1 plank wagon, Christmas Toad break van. I wonder what the N scale version could look like. It's bounded to happen sooner or later.
I'd love to see a holiday set in the N Scale line. My only request is that Thomas comes with a snowplow just like all of the other holiday sets that came before.
It would be nice to eventually get an N Scale Christmas set.
After we get N Scale Edward on the cards, the next engines for the N Scale range should be Duck, Oliver, Donald and Douglas, but other ideas that are very much welcome that can use existing chassis include Mavis and Spencer. Mavis would recycle Thomas' chassis, while Spencer would recycle Gordon's chassis. Duck would not use the same chassis as Thomas because his chassis is longer than Thomas'. Same for Donald and Douglas. Now that N Scale is finally getting Henry, the next time a big engine gets announced, it should be Spencer. But the next time N Scale gets a Class 08 repaint, it should be 'Arry and Bert. I'm hoping we hear something on N Scale Diesel and Paxton by the end of the year. Mavis should be the first diesel in the N Scale range that isn't a Class 08. Any of these ideas will be welcome as long as Edward is the absolute next for N Scale. He's the #1 priority, especially with the 80th Anniversary coming up. Edward is also the last engine from Season 1 left for N Scale, and will complete the original Steam Team.
You know a rolling stock character I would like to see made in HO? Hector not only is he a character most fans like he's a Troublesome Truck something a lot of people want more of in the Bachmann range.
I have just had a thought on how Bachmann could make a RWS-style Toby, without even breaking the CGI mandate! It probably won't happen, but I at least wanted to put the idea out there. And Bachmann has surprised us in the past.
In the twenty-third season episode "Heart of Gold" Toby has a fantasy sequence where he sees himself being turned into a golfing windmill. Here are some pictures:
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold31.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold29.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold32.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold110.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold34.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Heart_of_Gold/Gallery?so=search&file=HeartofGold37.png
The livery Toby is in when he is in this fantasy does look a lot like his Railway Series Book livery. I suspect that the episodes writer, fan-turned-pro Michael White, may have slipped that in as a little easter egg.
Given that Bachmann has released Busy Bee James based on an obscure livery in a single episode, Maybe something Bachmann could do would be release a Toby recolor in these colors from Heart of Gold. Toby's sideplates are not seen in the fantasy sequence, so maybe Bachmann could sneak some Blue sideplates on to it and release it as "Windmill Toby" or something along those lines? Therefore, it could secretly double as a CGI Toby recolor AND Railway Series Toby. It would be a great chance for Bachmann to get a recolor out as a quick new product.
Granted this is a rather far-fetched. I suspect it won't happen, but I just wanted to put the idea on the table. And Bachmann has surprised us before, so we never know. It would be cool to have a Windmill Toby to go along with Toby's Museum Coaches!
It was actually Ian mccue who put that in the episode . However Windmill Toby is something I couldn't see happening too obscure.as for the windmill building is something I think should come back into the range .
When you think of Thomas one of the first things is opening which is known for the windmill.
Another building I could see coming back is the signal box .
Possibly maithwaite and brendam wherehouse as a place to put your figures
Here's something I've been curious about when it comes to the packaging for the locomotives:
If the N Scale, Large Scale, and the Narrow Gauge characters got the boxes to properly store them in, why not the HO Scale models? I say this because in this day in age, they're becoming expensive and I'll use Sam's Train YT channel review of Bachmann Ryan as an example of him pointing out the evolution of the range:
He mentions that the range has been evolving to become less like toys and more closer to models because of the separately fitted parts, the complex paint job in the lining, and the pricing... In his model, as you can see in the thumbnail, the "N" got rubbed off due to the plastic cover "bump" making contact with it, messing up the quality of the model. Plus the fact that the RRP is almost $200 should be noted that this isn't just a cheap toy model for youngsters to own unlike the early T&F models of Bachmann.
The reasons mentioned by Sam is why I'd like to have a box, at least for the HO/OO Scale Locos for proper storage. The plastic packaging isn't as efficient as it should be since they end up becoming disposed into the trash/recyclables because once you use a knife/scissors to open that difficult packaging, it's useless...
Heck, with Rebecca coming soon, it'll be nice if sometime in the future a box can be utilized especially seeing that RRP price tag for her model being the most expensive in the present day, so that'll be great if possible. The inner plastic container can still be kept, but the outside one needs to go to ensure that the model survives the transit from warehouse to our model shops/doorstep.
People have bee advocating for the HO/OO range to upgrade to boxes for a long time. I could be mis-remembering, but there's some convoluted reason as to why they haven't switched yet that dates back to when the range first began.
Great point, Cheeky_ULP, I think that this should be done since the packaging would just become reusable.
If I recall the main reason they are packaged the way they are is so they could hang on pegs in hobby shops and stand out like other Thomas toys, rather than be stacked like a normal model train box would be and more easily buried. I think the decision for in store box makes sense. But I really wish we could get better boxes for those who buy online, especially from trainworld and the like. Idk if it would be worth pursuing but I know myself and others here would appreciate a more traditional box style for online purchases at least.
Hello everyone. My first post here, as I wanted to pitch in my thoughts on the packaging issue.
Whilst it does make sense they would want to keep the plastic packaging in order for them to hang on pegs, they could still do this using cardboard. For example, many figures within the Transformers toy line use cardboard packaging of mainly boxes, whilst still retaining peg holes to be hung from. Bachmann could pursue a similar style if possible, allowing for the best of both worlds; Easier to open packaging that can still be hung from pegs.
For me, the blister packaging made sense when the models back then were cheaper in price, but as time goes on-whether by inflation or the expenses for the materials/additional detailing like separately-fitted handrails to make the models-it's evident that the packaging needs to be updated to better protect the products being sold. The models like Ryan aren't exactly cheap these days, becoming closer to models that adults would purchase if it's up their alley.
Heck, I remember being able to purchase a model of Edward for about $50-ish from Amazon, which is pretty great back a decade ago, but these days it's doubled to $100-ish, assuming inflation being a key factor.
So yeah, with how expensive models are becoming, and with how Rebecca is gonna be pretty dang expensive judging from the preorder prices/RRP, it'll make sense to protect these models in boxes like any hobby of regular models sold these days. Hopefully this'll be something for Bachmann to consider because by this point the blister packaging feels outdated/out of place, which would then give them to update the packaging to make their HO Scale range cohesive with their other lines of N, Large, and Narrow Gauge.
Here are my predictions for the 2025 February announcements:
HO Scale:
1. Reintroduced 'Arry and Bert
2. Nia
3. Season 1 Troublesome Truck
4. McColl's Cattle Van
5. Troublesome Truck #7 (TAR tanker wagon with a face)
6. Splatter and Dodge
7. Old shape Henry (modified from Bachmann Gordon)
8. Old Coaches
Narrow Gauge:
1. Peter Sam with original funnel
2. Red skarloey coaches
3. Cream and green coaches
Large Scale:
1. Edward
2. Henrietta
3. Hannah
4. Season 1 Troublesome Truck
5. Mavis
6. Old Coaches
N Scale:
1. Edward
2. BR 20 Ton Brake Van
3. Spiteful Brake Van
4. Season 1 Troublesome Truck
5. Old shape Henry (modified from Bachmann Gordon)
6. Mavis
7. Donald and Douglas (Black)
8. Toby with blue side plates
9. Old Coaches
NMRA:
HO Scale:
1. Diesel 10
2. Yellow Open Wagon
3. Cocoa open wagon
4. Blue Donald and Douglas
5. RWS Chocolate and blue Toby
6. Toffee tanker wagon
7. Chocolate syrup tanker wagon
N Scale:
1. Duck
2. Oliver
3. TAR Tanker Wagon
4. Milk Tanker Wagon
5. LBSC Thomas
6. Black James
7. Blue Donald and Douglas
Narrow Gauge:
1. Troublesome slate cars
Large Scale:
1. LBSC Thomas
2. Black James
3. Toby with blue side plates
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 18, 2024, 01:24:51 AMN Scale:
1. Edward
2. RWS Toby
3. Duck
4. RWS Blue Donald and Douglas
5. Oliver
6. TAR Tanker Wagon
7. Milk Tanker Wagon
8. Old Coaches
9. BR 20 Ton Brake Van
10. Spiteful Brake Van
Why would they do blue models of Donald and Douglas in N scale before doing them in black like in the show?
They could just do them alongside the black ones.
So I've been thinking of the NG line alot the last few days particularly around rolling stock and trucks more particularly (https://i.gyazo.com/0403f0a41b56c9e6e997fa82fb855717.jpg)
At the moment this is our range with the two coaches and open wagon which uses the Peco tooling. I know we all agree about needing brown versions of the brake-van and other van. But here's a few new tooling ideas I think would be a real hit for Bachmann
Troublesome Truck NG style
(https://i.gyazo.com/c42444612dfcf5fed6b7e600be05aea6.png)
I was torn between the 3 plank Troublesome Trucks or the Slate Troublesome Trucks, I figured this would probably be more likely as Bachmann have 6 versions of the slate wagons on the board currently so I can't see Bachmann breaking away from that tooling to make a model series style slate truck with a face. I mean they might but I think if I were gonna throw my weight behind one I'll go for the 3 plank, it could be produced with maybe 2 different expressions but even just as a singular item it'll sell really well. In fact it'll probably still sell well without a face but I think if Bachmann were gonna make a Troublesome Truck for the Skarloey gang I think this would be a great idea.
4 Plank Wagon
(https://i.gyazo.com/8687f5621e0d298a00f617e71250176b.png)
Now these are often used and these have the added bouns of appearing in CGI
(https://i.gyazo.com/dfdf9397a59d7ce63a5612d333b54e2f.png)
I think like the previous would appeal to fans all across the spectrum and could help retire the Peco Open Wagon for something more in line with the brand like the box vans. There's the brilliant season 8 reference photos so there's plenty there to use to create as accurate a model as possible and there's a few colour schemes (including black, dark green, brown, grey and red oxide. Theres also a rusty version) so you can get the most out of the tooling. Who knows further down the line it might be possible to make versions with loads like coal or something.
1 plank wagon with load
(https://i.gyazo.com/f4705e4059fb01d3fe8dda0efff474d1.png)
Next is the 1 plank wagons. These next two both fall into a similar category but I'll still talk about them separately. The 1 plank wagons have been around since season 6 and are again another thing that's still used in the CGI era. However these being a 1 plank wagon means Bachmann can have fun and include different loads on them. They are used in the steam works so perfect to put some old wheels on or engine parts. They could be used to carry a Christmas tree or if bachmann are feeling extremely generous
(https://i.gyazo.com/6ffaff318d6c53198a18a754379b2b33.png)
Ok That a stretch but none the less it's an item Bachmann can have fun with and market possibilities are endless.
flat bed with load
(https://i.gyazo.com/e0eef05b05c3c5bc615c4773df0f8167.png)
Again like the previous this is another item Bachmann can have fun with and do something like a cable drum or something for workmen.
(https://i.gyazo.com/2b611e08d92489600fb036ea31bd08b2.png)
(https://i.gyazo.com/4e2a6a37b8de93150b0f0047e674fcc6.png)
Or go crazy and put a Bicycle on there or a bell. It's another item I think regardless of the load will sell very well and there's alot of potential to make some fun products where 1 tooling can lead to several different products
Again all the photos and information are available on the wikia. Including the season 8 ruler photos which I believe all of these items have including the Troublesome tuck which has had ruler photos uploaded by Thomastankmerch who owns the prop of it. I hope there's something in there that people like and can get behind. I'm just trying to throw some ideas out there
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 18, 2024, 01:24:51 AMHere are my predictions for the 2025 February announcements:
HO Scale:
1. Nia
2. Reintroduced 'Arry and Bert
3. Old Coaches
4. Season 1 Troublesome Truck
5. McColl's Cattle Van
6. Troublesome Truck #7 (TAR tanker wagon with a face)
7. RWS Blue Donald and Douglas
8. RWS Toby with blue side plates
9. Hannah
10. Splatter and Dodge
11. Spencer's brake coach
12. Toffee tanker wagon
13. Chocolate syrup tanker wagon
14. Updated Henrietta
15. CGI Milk Tanker Wagon
16. CGI Fuel Tanker Wagon
Narrow Gauge:
1. Peter Sam with original funnel
Large Scale:
1. Edward
2. RWS Toby
3. Henrietta
4. Hannah
5. Season 1 Troublesome Truck
6. Old Coaches
7. Mavis
N Scale:
1. Edward
2. RWS Toby
3. Duck
4. RWS Blue Donald and Douglas
5. Oliver
6. TAR Tanker Wagon
7. Milk Tanker Wagon
8. Old Coaches
9. BR 20 Ton Brake Van
10. Spiteful Brake Van
11. Black Donald and Douglas
12. Mavis
NMRA:
HO Scale:
1. Diesel 10
2. Duke
3. BoCo
4. Stepney
5. Yellow Open Wagon
6. Breakdown Train
7. Cocoa open wagon
N Scale:
1. Red express coaches
2. Red branch line coaches
3. Red open wagon
4. Light blue open wagon
5. Yellow open wagon
6. Coal wagon with load
That's a rather unrealistic list. You're kind of asking for a lot there. There's no way they're going to announce that many products in one time. Especially when there are still many other products awaiting release. Also, N Scale is certainly not going to get blue Donald and Douglas, especially when they haven't even been made in their show-accurate black liveries yet. I'd get it if it's a list of products you want to see get made as time goes on in the coming years, but announcing that many products in one year is kind of far fetched.
Really solid post on the narrow gauge rolling stock Mulfred; I agree with most of these choices!
It genuinely amazes me that the Peco open wagon hasn't been discontinued yet. Hopefully it'll be dropped before too long in favor of one of the more accurate wagon toolings. I'm surprised Bachmann hasn't looked into the four plank wagon yet for narrow gauge, especially with all the color options justifying the new tooling cost. Hopefully these along with a tan brake van will be in the next lineup of OO9 announcements.
Troublesome trucks in OO9 would be fun, I'd be very curious to see what faces they would use for a reference. Hopefully the season 4 ones are the ones picked if Bachmann decides to go that route.
40 pages insane . Personally I think troublesome slate wagons a good idea compared to 3 plank wagons as they have a huge backlog on NG stuff so a complete new tool is not the best idea right now As for the slate wagons I think we should one shocked truck and another truck that is smerking .
(https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Slate_Trucks_(T%26F)/Gallery?file=Trucks40.png)
As for the 80th varients for next year I don't think we need another James . But a Thomas is likely.
So for Thomas pink undercoat thomas is something that I think could happen
Percy's chocolate crunch is a classic episode that everyone knowns so a Percy chocolate variant would be super nice .(https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Percy's_Chocolate_Crunch?so=search&file=Percy%27sChocolateCrunch63.png)
The Narrow Gauge rolling stock suggestions are pretty good. The Narrow Gauge range could definitely use some 4-plank wagons, troublesome trucks and flatbeds with loads. But for existing toolings, they can easily make the tan brake van and box van. Another new tooling would be the green carriage with the open sides. We haven't seen a sample of the gondola yet, or the gunpowder wagons for that matter, so it may be a while before new toolings are announced for Narrow Gauge.
The next engine for Narrow Gauge after Duncan could be Freddie, Victor, or Luke.
Thanks for the feedback, for clarity these suggestions are more long term ideas. I'm not saying Bachmann needs to make them now. I'm saying maybe within the next four/five years when there's a new tooling spot available. That element seems to have been lost
Sorry for so many suggestions for next year, but I just thought that this would be the case since it will be 80 years since the franchise started.
Okay, I also just wished to say that I model only HO/OO Scale and I will do N Scale alongside, so it doesn't really matter to me about the Large Scale stuff. I also don't expect for all that stuff to be announced in one month, but maybe some announcements from my February predictions and the NMRA.
I will probably just buy another Bachmann Toby, Donald and Douglas and do the modifications myself. I will probably buy more than one N Scale Toby for that motive as well. I will also just get 3D printed Thomas and Percy body shells which I will turn into more accurate versions of the locomotives. The same goes for Gordon in HO Scale since I am not quite happy with how the cab looks.
I will also have the numbering and lettering custom printed on waterslide decals or woodlands scenics transfers since I don't own a 3D printer. I will also do some other mods when I have time. I am also just quite busy with life and my job in which I am an artist. I will also most likely end up buying more than one N Scale Bachmann James and modify the moulded whistle on it.
I may also just get 3D printed versions of Duck, Donald, Douglas and Oliver in N Scale so that way I can compromise, or at least get very close to that.
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 19, 2024, 03:24:47 AMI may also just get 3D printed versions of Duck, Donald, Douglas and Oliver in N Scale so that way I can compromise, or at least get very close to that.
So funnily enough, at one point a few years ago I was actually going to make a custom N scale Duck which I teased in a post which ended up getting lost after the forum shut down for a couple of months. During the time when the forum was down (due to server issues), Toad was one of the announcements during the NMRA that summer so I found myself halting that project almost immediately thinking Duck and Oliver would be on the horizon at some point in the coming years.
I feel like now after a few years we're a lot closer to that point since only Edward is left out of the main original cast and Duck and Oliver are some of the top requests for N scale, and their HO models are still popular sellers after all these years. I imagine Donald and Douglas will probably happen at some point in the future too, especially since they're also going to be in the reboot and they would also be natural additions after Duck and Oliver. Though despite that, I feel like we will most likely have to wait a much longer while for those two, compared to Edward the both GWR engines...
Point is I think the remaining #8-11 will happen eventually and customizations might not be necessary unless you're in a hurry to get them in your collection. I frankly wouldn't even be opposed to them introducing Edward and Duck first and then introducing a different character in-between the other three like Mavis or Daisy or maybe even Salty to offer some additional diesel diversity rather than have multiple class 08 repaints.
There was actually a really great and well done video done by DCC Sodor sharing his thoughts on future releases where he touches on this topic for N scale, which if anyone hasn't checked it out already, you should as he brings up a lot of interesting and great points for all scales.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkjFU797vU&pp=ygUJRGNjIHNvZG9y
Out of the three, Mavis is the one I want the most personally and is a very close third on my list, right after Edward and Duck. So while Mavis might not be one of the "top sellers" in HO, I feel there's so much going for an N scale model of Mavis. She's a popular request on here and would be an easier model to make on Bachmann's end by reusing the Toby chassis to save time (and money) during production so I see it as a win-win for both Bachmann and the fans.
Hey all. As we approach the fall, I wanted to share my annual aspirations for the Bachmann Thomas line, and next year is no exception, given the 80th Anniversary.
Beginning with HO engines, I think that announcing a Gold Metallic Thomas would be a fun way to celebrate the 80th Anniversary. Many merch lines have released this paint scheme of Thomas during anniversaries. Thus, I could see Bachmann giving it a shot too.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Hiro_(T%26F)
As far as new toolings are concerned, I think that everyone agrees that Hiro would be an excellent choice. His exquisite design and legacy in the show since 2009, the very start of CGI, are two of many factors that support this. Let's not forget that the Japanese Thomas fans would eat this up too.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Harvey
If Hiro were to not be possible, due to pricing, I think that Harvey would be an amazing Plan B. While somewhat of a stretch due to his exquisite design, he is one of the final choices as far as classic engines who appeared in CGI.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Whiff_(T%26F)
If Harvey were to also not be possible, I think that Whiff would be a terrific Plan C. He is the last engine, appearing in both the model and CGI series who would not be terribly expensive or involve anything too crazy, minus the glasses. Furthermore, there is no ready to run model of his basis, making him all the more marketable.
Additionally, I know I mentioned this before, but I really believe it would be in Bachmann's best interest to NOT choose Nia next. Nia is a character who alienates many older Thomas fans, and to be considerate to everyone, I think that Hiro, Harvey, and Whiff would be much better options.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Breakdown_Train_(T%26F)?file=WorksUnitCoach.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Breakdown_Train_(T%26F)?file=WorksUnitCoachModel.png
Moving onto rolling stock, I would love to see a new tooling added to the line, most notably the iconic Works Unit Coach. What is great about this specific piece is that it appeared in the show from the very first season, and in three paint schemes (Olive Green, Orange, and Indigo).
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/James%27_Trucks
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/James%27_Trucks/Gallery
As far as repaints, James' New Trucks would be fun. Thomas' New Trucks is a childhood favorite of mine, and I could see Bachmann pulling off two of these, namely James' New Truck #1 & James' New Truck #2. Mattel would certainly approve these as well, given that Lionel announced them for their O line not too long ago.
Troublesome Truck #7 using the latest 12 Ton Van tooling would also be terrific. However, I would truthfully only be interested in this if they go with a model era face, such as the following:
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/The_Spotless_Record/Gallery?file=TheSpotlessRecord33.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/The_Spotless_Record/Gallery?file=TheSpotlessRecord36.png
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Emily_and_the_Special_Coaches
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Emily_and_the_Special_Coaches/Gallery?file=EmilyandtheSpecialCoaches69.png
Gordon's Special Coaches are pieces that I would love to see produced as well. I always liked the dark blue paint scheme of these coaches, and the episode in which these are featured is a fun one.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/LMS_20_Ton_Brake_Vans
With the 20 Ton Brake Van announced in N Scale, I could see it making its way to HO too. This piece was seen many times throughout the CGI series, and I could see it appealing to many model era fans too.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chinese_Dragon
This final one may be a long shot, but the Chinese Dragon would be an incredible piece to tackle, consisting of the existing long flat wagon tooling, and a colorful, festive load that would go wonderfully with the upcoming funfair vans. Definitely an eye catching piece for any consumer!
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Trevor_(T%26F)
Moving onto non rail characters, Trevor is the main character I'd love to see, completing all the non rail characters from the first three seasons of the show.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Buffers_(T%26F)
What's more, a designated Thomas Buffer would be nice as a new accessory, considering its small size and need for any train layout.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Allicia_Botti
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/The_Mayor_of_Sodor_(T%26F)
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Sodor_Brass_Band
And as far as figure packs are concerned, a pack dedicated to exclusive characters from the show such as Alicia Botti and the Mayor of Sodor would continue to bring any Sodor collection and layout to life beyond the trains. The same can be stated for The Brass Band.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Duke_(T%26F)
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Victor
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Narrow_Gauge_Trucks_(T%26F)
For narrow gauge, I am not sure where the line will go next. As a model series fan, I would love to see Duke added to the line, and he would be perfect for the 80th Anniversary. Yet, realistically, Victor will most likely be next. As for narrow gauge rolling stock, I love the suggestions Mulfred100 brought up above. Narrow Gauge Troublesome Trucks and the 4 Plank Wagon would be awesome, plus I concur that the flatbeds with loads would be intriguing as well.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Edward_(T%26F)
The N scale line is growing rapidly, and I think it is clear that Edward will be announced next, wrapping up the original seven engines introduced in Season 1. With regards to rolling stock, open wagon variants would be awesome, especially the Coal Wagon with Load. I could see the new China Clay Wagon in HO getting introduced as a red variant as well.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Bill_and_Ben_(T%26F)
Large Scale fans usually get the short end of the stick. Thus, it would be nice to see something announced for the 80th. For new toolings, I would love to see Edward or Bill & Ben, and for a repaint, LBSC Thomas would be satisfying. As far as rolling stock, I could see the Funfair Vans and Christmas Wreath Van getting added to the line.
Altogether, while this is quite a long list of product suggestions, I have zero doubt that there is much to anticipate for the 80th Anniversary and look forward to seeing what materializes for the future.
How does nia alienate fans?
Hello, everyone. I've seen a lot of predictions and suggestions for the 80th anniversary. A lot of them are very interesting, so I decided to pitch in my own ideas.
First up, my most unusual idea: Remakes of Thomas, James, and Percy.
(https://familygardentrains.com/primer/rolling_stock/thomas_shootout/thomas_and_friends.jpg)
This suggestion may seem a bit strange, but let me explain. Thomas, James, and Percy were the first models introduced into the range, and whilst were good, cheap toys for their time, that isn't much the case nowadays. Seeing as the line is more collector focused as of now, the original models of then core 3 are sorely lacking in details. Whilst other earlier models like Edward or Duck still hold up, Thomas, James, and Percy do not. I could see Bachmann going about this in two ways. 1, they keep the originals up until they make these models with a similar or slightly higher budget, then replace the old models with the new ones. 2, these would marketed as "collector grade," where they are more expensive but are more accurate to the models, maybe having poseable eyes and alternative faces, and keeping the old ones for a cheaper option. If they go for the first option, I think beyond the core 3 the others aren't in dire need of updates, maybe aside from new faces and thinning the side rods of Gordon and Henry.
Next Up, the Breakdown Cranes.
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The cranes are iconic pieces of rolling stock in the series, serving as helping hands to rescue an engine whenever they crash. Due to their size, I imagine Bachmann would have only one crane per package, maybe being around 50-60 USD (store price, that is.) I could see a Works Coach also being produced to go alongside them for a full breakdown train. Judy and Jerome could also be created instead of them, though I feel the originals are more iconic and would sell better.
Continuing the topic of coaches, my next pick is Gordons Special Coaches
(I couldn't get an image of these, but they're the blue ones from Emily and the Special Coaches)
Bachmann isn't a stranger to doing one off coaches, as they did Toby's museum coaches, so these are decently realistic. They give Gordon some more thematic coaches, and overall sport a nice shade of blue. I imagine a composite and brake variant would be made.
That's all mu suggestions for now, as I'm not well versed in G, N, or Narrow Gauge. If I have more, ill post them later. Let me know what you all think.
In regards to the figure packs. There's a few ideas that's been rolling around in my head.
Sodor VIPs
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Alicia Botti, Lord Callen, Sir Robert Noramby, Duke and Dutchess of Boxford and possibly the Thin and Fat Clergyman however I'm unsure if a 7 pack is a bit too ambitious. But what a perfect item for 80 years of Thomas then a Figure of the Rev himself on peoples layouts.
Workers of Sodor
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Next is a Workers of Sodor pack, Jem Cole, Sailor John, Captain Joe, Cyril the Fogman, Miss Jenny and A bus driver which would go great with Bertie and Bulgy.
Animal friends
(https://i.gyazo.com/623cbebdc998f2109b3c17737c470ebd.jpg)
A bit of a fun Animal pack. I can't see this happening however it would be nice, Fuzzy the dog, an elephant, a Bull, a Cow and a Dear (which would be perfect to go along with Luke)
Lastly I wanted to talk about something really outta the box. How would people feel either a 6 pack Fat Controller. We could have one with a hawaiian shirt and an ice cream, a one wearing a scarf for winter, maybe one dressed up for Halloween, one with dirty and torn clothes like the Royal Engine and Lady Hatts Birthday. Or if that's a bust maybe introducing a couple of seasonal packs as limited runs? I'm pretty sure the last ideas are a bit too crazy but I figured I'd throw it out there.
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Also note these are just ideas and I'm not saying "these must be made in 2025" its future ideas
The Hawaiian one is just cool.
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 23, 2024, 01:31:09 AMHow does nia alienate fans?
Well, I would say she comes from an era of the show that is very problematic. Even if she's a nice character on her own, she will always be judged harshly because of that.
Since A lot of people have been suggesting Gordons's Special Coaches, and I would like to see them as well, I would like to reiterate some of the things that I would hope they would include in Gordon's Special Coaches models.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/SR_Maunsell_Coaches?so=search&file=Gordon%27sSpecialCoaches.png
For one thing, I would hope that Bachmann would make a set of Gordon's Special Composite Coach and Gordon's Special Brake Coach. Bachmann has done this before with the Toby's Museum Coaches, making both a composite and a brake version of these coaches, even though only the brake version appeared. That way, people could make a longer and complete express train for Gordon out of them. And hey, its two new products instead of one!
For another thing, I would hope they would recolor both of these Composite and Brake coaches out of the already existing Gordon's Express Composite Coach and Gordon's Express Brake Coach, with the rubber corridors on each end of them. Therefore, they would be compatible with the already existing Gordon's Express Coaches, as well as the Red Express Coaches. It would be cool to at least have the option for Gordon's Special Coaches to fit in with trains of already existing Express Coaches.
Quote from: Armada Starscream on September 23, 2024, 07:57:40 PMSince A lot of people have been suggesting Gordons's Special Coaches, and I would like to see them as well, I would like to reiterate some of the things that I would hope they would include in Gordon's Special Coaches models.
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/SR_Maunsell_Coaches?so=search&file=Gordon%27sSpecialCoaches.png
For one thing, I would hope that Bachmann would make a set of Gordon's Special Composite Coach and Gordon's Special Brake Coach. Bachmann has done this before with the Toby's Museum Coaches, making both a composite and a brake version of these coaches, even though only the brake version appeared. That way, people could make a longer and complete express train for Gordon out of them. And hey, its two new products instead of one!
For another thing, I would hope they would recolor both of these Composite and Brake coaches out of the already existing Gordon's Express Composite Coach and Gordon's Express Brake Coach, with the rubber corridors on each end of them. Therefore, they would be compatible with the already existing Gordon's Express Coaches, as well as the Red Express Coaches. It would be cool to at least have the option for Gordon's Special Coaches to fit in with trains of already existing Express Coaches.
Yeah, I think reusing the existing tooling would be best. It keeps down on costs, and allows the coaches to fit in with the already existing ones. They wouldn't be accurate to the show, but neither are the already existing coaches, so that doesn't really apply. They were also repaints of the original express coaches in the show, so it would at least be accurate in that regard.
Also, 600 replies. Wow.
Bachmann won't make new coach toolings I think people need to accept that
Gordon's special Express coaches definitely should happen and considering the success of Toby's museum coaches . I think that the special express coaches could happen.
On the topic of coaches Hannah and a variant of Henrietta with a face would be nice to see. But you could still buy the existing version of her similar to red and pink Rosie .
Spencer's brake coach is something they could do at the same time as Gordon special coaches as they would share the same tool, and they usually do things that share the same tone around the same time for example seven plank wagons and recent van releases
Honestly, I've very rarely seen people ask about specific toolings for the express coaches in any regard over the years, so I'd be surprised if there was suddenly a demand now. Similarly, I've never seen people ask for more accurate 7-plank toolings; stuff like that just isn't really on most Bachmann fans radars.
If Bachman branchline made coaches that were more accurate to the show I could get it but right now . Also keep in mind we barely get any. Aside from Annie Clarabel Herittia and Emily's coaches . Which are basically necessities for their respective engine. We only have two other brand new tool pieces of rolling stock that were made specifically for the standard gauge Thomas line those mean the mail wagons and the open carriage .
I have seen people ask for new slate trucks which also is something else that I do not think they should locate resources
A breakdown train and works unit coach would be nice
Along with a hopper wagon and Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Bogie Truck could be some new tooling in the rolling stock department that I think could be brought to the line up
The reason I keep mentioning that I hope they would recolor the Gordon's Express Composite and Brake Coaches into Gordon's Special Coaches is because the Spencer Special Coach is not identical to the other Bachmann Thomas Express Coaches. The Spencer Special Coaches do not have the rubber connecting corridor at each end of the coach, all they have is a door outline. Therefore, while they can couple up to the regular Express Coaches, there is still a gap between the Special Coach and the Express Coaches. I would hope that given that Gordon is an express engine, that people would want to either give him more than just 2 Gordon's Special Coaches or combine those Coaches into their already existing Express Trains, and having the corridor on both would allow them to integrate seamlessly, without a gap, like a real express train would. That is why I would prefer it if they recolored the Gordon's Express Composite and Brake Coaches into the Gordon's Special Composite and Brake Coaches, as opposed to just recoloring the Spencer Special Coach, even if a Spencer Brake Coach is released to go with it.
Quote from: Armada Starscream on September 25, 2024, 04:13:22 AMThe reason I keep mentioning that I hope they would recolor the Gordon's Express Composite and Brake Coaches into Gordon's Special Coaches is because the Spencer Special Coach is not identical to the other Bachmann Thomas Express Coaches. The Spencer Special Coaches do not have the rubber connecting corridor at each end of the coach, all they have is a door outline. Therefore, while they can couple up to the regular Express Coaches, there is still a gap between the Special Coach and the Express Coaches. I would hope that given that Gordon is an express engine, that people would want to either give him more than just 2 Gordon's Special Coaches or combine those Coaches into their already existing Express Trains, and having the corridor on both would allow them to integrate seamlessly, without a gap, like a real express train would. That is why I would prefer it if they recolored the Gordon's Express Composite and Brake Coaches into the Gordon's Special Composite and Brake Coaches, as opposed to just recoloring the Spencer Special Coach, even if a Spencer Brake Coach is released to go with it.
But completely inaccurate to the tv series. If they do Gordon's special coaches I'd much rather they used Spencer's coach without the corridor. It may not be real world accurate but it's TV accurate (https://i.gyazo.com/b8b11b98607512c23d0d148e80706f8f.png)
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I genuinely hate the corridors on the Bachmann Express Coaches
Quote from: Mulfred100 on September 25, 2024, 09:17:19 AMBut completely inaccurate to the tv series. If they do Gordon's special coaches I'd much rather they used Spencer's coach without the corridor. It may not be real world accurate but it's TV accurate
I do get that, but also, Spencer's coach has the small doors on either end, meaning it wouldn't be accurate either way unless Bachmann makes a whole new tooling, which would never happen. They'd be inaccurate either way, so it would probably be best to use the already existing express coach tooling, as then they fit in with any already existing express trains. I do see where you're coming from, though.
Quote from: NWRLevi on September 25, 2024, 12:43:14 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on September 25, 2024, 09:17:19 AMBut completely inaccurate to the tv series. If they do Gordon's special coaches I'd much rather they used Spencer's coach without the corridor. It may not be real world accurate but it's TV accurate
I do get that, but also, Spencer's coach has the small doors on either end, meaning it wouldn't be accurate either way unless Bachmann makes a whole new tooling, which would never happen. They'd be inaccurate either way, so it would probably be best to use the already existing express coach tooling, as then they fit in with any already existing express trains. I do see where you're coming from, though.
I agree. Personally, I am fine with the Express Coaches having corridors at each end, even if it isn't screen accurate. So I hope that potential Gordon's Special Composite and Brake Coaches will have those corridors so they will fit in seamlessly.
Quote from: NWRLevi on September 25, 2024, 12:43:14 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on September 25, 2024, 09:17:19 AMBut completely inaccurate to the tv series. If they do Gordon's special coaches I'd much rather they used Spencer's coach without the corridor. It may not be real world accurate but it's TV accurate
I do get that, but also, Spencer's coach has the small doors on either end, meaning it wouldn't be accurate either way unless Bachmann makes a whole new tooling, which would never happen. They'd be inaccurate either way, so it would probably be best to use the already existing express coach tooling, as then they fit in with any already existing express trains. I do see where you're coming from, though.
I'm not gonna argue. I'm just stating I personally would rather have them come without, it's been shown it can be done with Spencer's coach, tbh I don't understand why Bachmann didn't remove the corridors from the reintroduced versions. I unfortunately wouldn't buy them if they came with corridors but that's just me.
Do you feel that the Old Coaches would be popular if Bachmann made them?
Quote from: JLK2707 on September 28, 2024, 03:51:05 PMDo you feel that the Old Coaches would be popular if Bachmann made them?
It could be possible given that one-off rolling stock models/characters were also made, like the Spiteful Brakevan, S.C.Ruffey, Toby's Museum Coaches, etc. Of course we'd have to wait and see if they get through the previous announcements they've yet to release since there's quite the backlog of them to get through.
Yeah, but they would just need to make new coach toolings for them.
The Old Coaches have a unique design compared to the LBSCR Stroudleys. If they repainted the Stroudleys in the Old Coaches color, it would probably look too similar to Emily's Coaches, which are also dark green with cream accents.
If they did make the Old Coaches, Composite and Brake Coaches, then I would definitely buy them! As further incentive for Bachmann, they could then recolor the Old Coaches into additional new products: the Teak Composite and Brake Coaches that appeared a few times in Season 1, and which were actually painted on the other side of the Old Coaches. Maybe call them the Teak Old Coaches or something:
https://ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Old_Coaches?file=LNERTeakCoaches.png
Granted the Teak Coaches might be a little far-fetched, but Bachmann has already done so with the Toby's Museum Coaches. So I figured I would at least mention the idea, and we will see what happens.
Am I the only one who wants the Well Wagon and BR 20 Ton Brake Van to return to the line and in new colours?
Old and Orange Branchline Coaches are something I would certainly be interested in buying.
A few years ago, I made an attempt make my own by altering and painting a few Annie/Clarabels:
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Whilst not perfect, I am happy with how they turned out; but it would be nice to have official releases of them.
Quote from: really called Thomas on September 29, 2024, 09:41:37 AMOld and Orange Branchline Coaches are something I would certainly be interested in buying.
They'd be really easy to make. All Bachmann would need to do is simply remove the names from Annie and Clarabel, and maybe have different faces. They could also make faceless versions using the body tooling of the Red Branchline Coaches and the roofs of Annie and Clarabel. Id definitely buy some aswell.
Yeah. Those would look just so cool.
The single problem with the Old Coaches is they are unlikely to have had refence photos Bachmann have access to. I've reiterated before Bachmann only got the license pre 2002, as far as we know they only have reference material for season 8 onwards. Anything not in that or the later seasons isn't necessarily off the table, but does make it less likely to pull from for that reason, at least for a new tool like the old coaches would require. The brown branchline coaches in theory however would not have this problem. Only issue could foresee is not wanting to compete with Annie and Clarabel already on the market cause they would be so similar. I'd like the old coaches, but just seems unlikely they'll pull from them realistically
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on September 30, 2024, 07:08:20 PMOnly issue could foresee is not wanting to compete with Annie and Clarabel already on the market cause they would be so similar.
I think Bachmann could work around this a few ways. For one, they could give them the black running boards so they'd be more accurate to the show, rather than the light gray of Annie and Clarabel. They could also give them different faces, as I suggested before, to help them stand out.
Quote from: NWRLevi on October 04, 2024, 09:55:10 AMQuote from: DustyMarie53! on September 30, 2024, 07:08:20 PMOnly issue could foresee is not wanting to compete with Annie and Clarabel already on the market cause they would be so similar.
I think Bachmann could work around this a few ways. For one, they could give them the black running boards so they'd be more accurate to the show, rather than the light gray of Annie and Clarabel. They could also give them different faces, as I suggested before, to help them stand out.
But you can buy Annie and Clarabel with black running boards now. The UK versions come complete with black running boards and red buffer housing. They are too similar to Annie and Clarabel, even with "different faces" if they were made I can safely see them being quickly discontinued due to poor sales. The Red coaches, museum coaches and Annie and Clarabel even Emily's coaches stand out from each other. I hate to say it but you've got more chance of recolours from BWBA for rolling stock
The BWBA rolling stock is a intresting idea
Through our BWBA 4 different types of branch lines coaches colors are shown
2 in Indian
1 in China
1 in Italy
Personally out of the four I could see the Italy silver ones and the Indian Blue coaches happening
In the terms of other coaches I could so see happening aside from the much requested Gordon's special coaches
Works unit coaches
Dexter
Ann Ann and Ying Long
Spencer's brake coach use British GWR collet coach tooling
I don't see Bachmann doing BWBA coaches unless they do BWBA engines to go with them. Which, I don't see any BWBA engines being made either, as they would require new toolings, which isn't a smart idea to do for new characters that failed to catch on in popularity. There's already a good handful of CGI (and hopefully someday, model era again) characters Bachmann could and should make new toolings for first, before scraping the bottom of the barrel of late 2010s new characters (see: The Great Race onward).
Okay so on the topic of new engines I think Harvey needs to be the next engine after what Doug said on a recent Thomas Tuesday . We do know that Harvey could happen and I think next year is the perfect time him and Trevor would be ideal They have been in the franchise for a very long time.
Also, we have still yet to get a breakdown train. I am doubting if they are possible and it's very likely they have not made a crane rolling stock due to the price you would be paying for something that doesn't even move on its own . I bet you parents would be confused and angry that it wouldn't move . So Harvey is a great solution there you have a breakdown train character who has been used to clean up accidents and he moves.
Trevor is the last Awdry character they could do that complies with the CGI madate. He is also iconic I'm surprised he didn't happen after Terrence in like 2010 or something.
For the record I wasn't for a second suggesting BWBA recolours I was pointing out they had a slightly better chance of being made then the orange coaches. I am in no way suggesting that as possible idea for the future. Anyway moving on
Something I hope Bachmann will do would be update their USA HO Annie and Clarabel models so they have the black Chassis of their UK models. They have already updated a lot of their early models with the thicker lamp irons and dummy coupling hooks of the UK versions. Speaking of which, I hope they will also update the US HO Henry, Gordon, and Toby so they have black lamp irons and dummy coupling hooks instead of light gray.
I also just wish for them to update the Milk and Fuel Tanker Wagons in HO Scale to match the CGI counterparts. Does anybody else here agree with me?
really called Thomas, what paint colors and brands did you use for the Old Coaches repaints?
Quote from: [email protected] on October 08, 2024, 03:36:23 PMreally called Thomas, what paint colors and brands did you use for the Old Coaches repaints?
Wilko home brand gloss spray paint.
Antique White
Lawn Green
Black
After Duncan's unfortunate cancellation, Bachmann should make up for this by making Luke in his place. Luke is a CGI exclusive character, and he would make for a good Bachmann model. He can be the next new tooling for the Narrow Gauge range to make up for Duncan's cancellation.
There's always repaints like Smudger and Proteus, if Mattel can make exceptions for the CGI mandate, considering their toolings already exist.
Okay here is a suggestion that we have needed in the range for a very long time
Spencer's brake coach
Now this MUST be based on model series as it needs to match the composite coach
Now Spencer's coaches in CGI would require a new tooling
I don't want Bachmann to use the LMS brake coach as that is not accurate to the show
The coach that Spencer's brake coach is something they make in the UK
GWR collet coach Bachmann has the tooling please use it .
Given the Duncan news I have two thoughts. Firstly, seems they're playing it much safer with the HO and Narrow Gauge line going forward. There comments regarding Harvey, D10, and Duncan risking lack of wide appeal makes me think they are unlikely to go forward with anything too complicated. Maybe it's just because of the pipeline being clogged up, maybe it's just because they'd rather prioritize N right now, maybe some combo of varying different reasons. I'm not sure. With that in mind I am fully expecting Whiff as the new mold announcement for 2025. He's the least intricate, most popular character they have left. He is the smartest pick I think if they're trying to play it safe. Rolling stock wise, only really want the G scale tanker liveries and a well wagon return at this point. Don't have any strong thoughts beyond those. N scale predictions haven't changed, Edward all the way. Maybe a second new tool announcement like 2022 as well for the special anniversary year? My vote would be Mavis cause she'd be easier, but I'd also be fully behind Duck or Oliver
With Duncan's cancellation I do imagine we will get a Luke announcement next year. However, I hope they do wait until after Sir Handel has a solid shipping window to announce him. So at NMRA instead of spring catalog optimally.
Not really a changed thought, but if we don't get any new G scale engines announced next year I'll assume they've decided the g scale line isn't worth pursuing. Too costly for new engines, Diesel was cancelled before they realized they could use Paxton after all. I'd fully expect some recolors, however, if we get any instead of a new tool I think that tells me the line is likely to stay with the roster it has mold wise. I think Rosie would be the best candidate for an engine, however. Her two liveries means it's a 2 for 1 deal, and she has cross appeal with general modelers. S100's are in America and having one readily available in G scale, even a Thomasified one could do great sales wise.
That's really all my thoughts post the Duncan bombshell, and similar bombshells from previous streams. I'll be genuinely shocked if HO announces anyone but Whiff next year at this point, but I'd love to be wrong.
I would love to suggest Duncan... for the future... Including any HOn30 engine not made yet.
It may be another few years before Bachmann decides to give Duncan a second chance. To make up for his cancellation, they need to announce Luke as the next new tooling for HOn30 Scale. Hope Mattel lets Bachmann make repaints of existing toolings like Smudger and Proteus.
As for HO Scale, Hiro is very unlikely unless Rebecca sells well. So, the safest bet for the next new tooling is Whiff.
Here's my updated list of announcements 2025 should have:
HO Scale:
Whiff
Gold Thomas
Silver Percy (probably NMRA)
Bronze Diesel (probably NMRA)
Chocolate Syrup Tanker
Toffee Tanker
Well Wagon Reintroduction
Paint Drum Wagon Reintroduction
Gordon's Special Coach
Gordon's Special Brake Coach
Narrow Gauge:
Luke
Tan Box Van
Tan Brake Van
N Scale:
Edward
LBSC 70 Thomas
Origin James
Coal Wagon w/ Load
Red Open Wagon
Blue Open Wagon
BR Brake Van
Red Coach (probably NMRA)
Red Brake Coach (probably NMRA)
Large Scale (if anything):
Edward
LBSC 70 Thomas
Origin James
Edward has to be the next new tooling for N Scale without question, but if we were to get another new tooling alongside him, Mavis would be a good idea. She would recycle Thomas' chassis, like Toby did. Or, they can make N Scale Duck immediately following Edward.
In regard to G scale Edward, I do think he falls into the same territory as Duncan, Harvey, and Diesel 10. Something they know select fans will buy but lack the wide appeal. He'd be a pretty costly new tool and I'm unsure if they'd want to make him with that in mind. With that said Edward is a main so it could be different for him. I just don't personally see him happening anymore. I think his ship has unfortunately sailed. However, like those 3 I imagine they could change their mind someday. Already made my case for Rosie, but I imagine Mavis may also be a good candidate assuming she can reuse parts from Toby or Thomas. They aren't Edward, but they at least are fan favorite characters that can breathe life into the G scale lineup in the time being and could test the waters to see if launching Edward later would be viable. Depending on how well he does in N scale once that gets announced may also boost up their confidence.
I think Mavis would be the perfect choice for the next new large scale engine mold. She would only require a new body shell since the motor and chassis can be reused from Toby so it would be a real money saver on Bachmann's end as well. Frankly, I would've rather seen her over Diesel and Paxton but I understand why they opted to go that route. Heck if Bachmann announced Mavis with Henrietta and Hannah and stuck to recolors for a good couple of years afterward with large scale, like they are now, then I don't think anyone would complain.
As for N scale, although I think Duck and Oliver are lot more likely than Mavis based on sales from their HO models and Toad's inclusion in the range, I would still fully support an N scale model of Mavis as well. In terms of personal preference, I would rather see her over Oliver solely because I really like Mavis' CGI design a lot more than Oliver's. She is a very close third for me in terms of my personal wishlist, right behind Edward and Duck.
After N Scale gets Edward, the next engine will then have to be Duck, followed by Oliver. Once we get the Great Western duo in N Scale, we can then push for characters like Mavis, Spencer, Donald and Douglas. The Scottish twins could possibly recycle Duck's chassis, and I can see them being made once we get Duck and Oliver in N Scale. Mavis would be a great choice because she would be a diesel that isn't a Class 08, and she would recycle Thomas' chassis like Toby. With Henry on the horizon, and like him, Spencer can also recycle Gordon's chassis, and he should be the next BIG engine for the N Scale range.
Considering Bachmann has the tooling for Bradford, he could also be the next rolling stock to be exclusive to N Scale, which could also have Samson later on. If Bradford gets made, that would literally be his first ever piece of merchandise. Could Samson someday become the first engine for the N Scale range who doesn't already exist in HO Scale? He may not recycle Percy's chassis since he has bigger wheels than Percy. He might be made in HO Scale too at some point.
I would love to see more HOn30 items for skarloey railway to engines to pull behind them.
Also for HO i would love to see other carnival alternatives like the flat wagon with circus materials as well as some of the animal wagons with topham circus signs or even some that look like the hornby models that were released in the past. It would appear that most of these are repaints and not necessarily new tooling.
How would you all feel about a Bachmann Charlie down the line?
I strongly feel that Edward would be a simple modification of James since all that needs to be done is removing the belpair firebox, removing the extra splasher, and taking off one of the middle wheels and adding an extra driving wheel, along with adding extra boiler bands. James's tender would also require some mods added to it as well. This would make an excellent addition to Large Scale.
Quote from: JLK2707 on October 11, 2024, 05:29:55 AMI strongly feel that Edward would be a simple modification of James since all that needs to be done is removing the belpair firebox, removing the extra splasher, and taking off one of the middle wheels and adding an extra driving wheel, along with adding extra boiler bands. James's tender would also require some mods added to it as well. This would make an excellent addition to Large Scale.
There isn't really anything simple about this modification. Firstly, Edward and James are different sizes in CGI so it'd be inaccurate. Secondly you can't simply modify the tooling like that. Most of those stuff is molded in, realistically it would require a new mold for all of it. Even the chassis would require a new mechanism cause of the different wheel configuration, and an entire new bogie set. It's just not a realistic approach to expect.
Heljan just unveiled a new run of class 42 warships. You may be asking what this has to do with this topic. Well, this warship model just so happens to have holes on the middle of the roof to attach stuff if you desire. I do believe this is technically prototypical, but the obvious other purpose is evident to me this will make Diesel 10 customs way easier. I do think also this does sort of hurt Diesel 10's chances, maybe not fully because Heljan models are also pretty pricey but do think it's a good thing to be aware of for future speculation reasons.
As a Thomas fan who is into model trains can we please make some expensive Bachmann Thomas models and not use it as an excuse. I have a job right? Like I spend money on things I want. If the price appears to be to expensive do a trial and build in some margins and let me spend 300 on an engine. Its annoying that the market assumption restricts what I would buy. Be upfront with your customers and if they understand and their is transparency I don't see the problem unless I'm am a huge minority. Or who knowns use kick starter. You have a Author in Brandon Sanderson selling expensive leatherbounds and has all the money baked into the kick starter. If it hits your goal great make a run of trains and cover your costs and make money. If it does not fund then dont do it.
Don't disagree with that, but as they have gone on record they are trying to appeal to everyone. Not just the fans. This includes families, kids, general modelers, and a big worry is that more expensive toolings are a risk because they will distance those crowds. But I will admit, since model trains are batch based business anyway. They could simply do just one batch to test the waters, most model train products are like that. Albiet that may be a hard sell for anyone really really intricate to justify the manufacturing costs. I think at the present moment the best way to send a message that more expensive toolings will do well is to buy Rebecca. She is the most expensive HO engine so far. If she doesn't do well, it's unlikely we'll get more like her. She has tons of separately fitted parts as well. Doug Blaine has already said before she is a test for tender engines, but she could easily also be a test for more intricate engines with separately fitted details. Like let's say, an engine with a crane or a claw.
With that said. Bachmann has already actually done exactly what you are proposing. They had a diesel locomotive they let people place reservations on. It ultimately didn't pan out; it's mentioned elsewhere on the forum but the exact specifics escape me at the moment. I can provide a link to it if anyone is interested but you should be able to search for it yourself. That could be at least another way to get the likes of Hiro, D10, etc. into the running. Only thing is that might be complicated to do with Thomas cause of licensing, I don't know how you would get permission for that. But it's definitely a potential avenue worth pursuing
The numbers certainly don't lie. That's why I feel pre-ordering is so important in this niche hobby. It helps gauge interest, and whether or not an item is worth the risk to the manufacturer. I can't help but feel that maybe a lack of pre-orders for Duncan helped Bachmann to decide that he ultimately was not worth the risk right now.
That's actually a thought I had myself. The preorders for Duncan were live, and I do wonder how that may have ultimately played into the decision. Similarly I noticed on rewatch they used a lot of the same wording with to cost estimates in regard to Harvey and Diesel 10. So I wonder if maybe they had the factories look into it like Duncan and then ultimately decided it wasn't worth pursuing, except unlike Duncan it wasn't previously announced. If that is true I wonder how potentially putting out preorders could sway the decision, but that runs the same risk of disappointment like Duncan did. It's a tricky situation I imagine.
A Quick Look at train world
3 and 4 for now in wishlists
Are N scale Gordon and Rebecca
These will be the most expensive engines for there scales .these are top models and thus I think models for popular and fan loved characters such as Diesel 10 and Hiro have chances to sell very very well.
I don't feel Diesel 10 could be made since the claw would just cost too much.
if Bandai could do it Bachmann could do it .also if they need 2 the claw could be a separate piece that is removable
Other want large scale tankers to be in HO and utility vans
Another rolling stock breed that I think we should see is a lot more salt vans in the colors of brown , black , and cream
If we get more 12 ton vans
I think we need to see a orange ,bakery ,and a ice cream rerelease
With a troublesome truck # 7 being a van that is brown and the face that says ooh look Henry's spooked
And Lei an international van
If we got more 7 planks
Pink , orange , black , yellow
New tooled wagons I could see happening are the hopper wagon
I honestly do not feel that Nia would be possible since her prototype is just narrow gauge.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on October 11, 2024, 11:18:33 PMif Bandai could do it Bachmann could do it .also if they need 2 the claw could be a separate piece that is removable
Other want large scale tankers to be in HO and utility vans
Another rolling stock breed that I think we should see is a lot more salt vans in the colors of brown , black , and cream
If we get more 12 ton vans
I think we need to see a orange ,bakery ,and a ice cream rerelease
With a troublesome truck # 7 being a van that is brown and the face that says ooh look Henry's spooked
And Lei an international van
If we got more 7 planks
Pink , orange , black , yellow
New tooled wagons I could see happening are the hopper wagon
Well if we are talking about recolours this is a little bit out there but I think these will be brilliant recolours to do
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12 Ton Topham Circus van and 7 plank wagon.
I figure these two would be perfect recolours and would sell well. With the festive vans I feel like the season 8 ones would be too similar even though there's some nice variations. It's something Bandai have done and would appeal to older fans and still have that marketable quality to make younger fans want them and maybe seek out the episode they are from if they haven't seen it already. It's probably a silly idea but I thought I'd throw it out there. If we were to get any classic rolling stock (that's not a Troublesome Truck) I think these stand a good chance
Quote from: JLK2707 on October 12, 2024, 03:11:45 AMI honestly do not feel that Nia would be possible since her prototype is just narrow gauge.
When Bachmann designs products for the Thomas range, they usually try to base it off the design in the TV series and the provided CGI orthos of the character or item in question. Nia's basis being narrow gauge would have little difference in the equation of her design, especially when she is designed to be standard gauge.
True, unless it is the same matter as Duncan who could not be made due to just how inaccurate he looks in CGI.
Quote from: JLK2707 on October 12, 2024, 11:17:55 PMTrue, unless it is the same matter as Duncan who could not be made due to just how inaccurate he looks in CGI.
Again, unrelated. Duncan not being like his basis was huger hit for specifically the narrow gauge line because it is aimed at 14+ modellers. Not having Duncan be like his basis risks that wide appeal for the older demographic. The HO line gears younger and isn't as high quality with less diecast. It wouldn't run into the same issues
So with Duncan being cancelled I have been thinking about the remaining NG engines and what their chances are. However there's several draw backs and issues with each engine which I'm not gonna lie has me concerned about the future of the NG range at least engine wise.
Firstly Luke
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Luke's CGI model and his real life counterpart have several major differences, the main being the cab. If Bachmann were to make Luke and his real Basis they'd have to spend extra money to either mold the cabs separately. I know you can say "well people can buy Luke and modify him" but it's still alot of money for Bachmann to spend on a tooling they can't reuse. Also another issue is his boiler is quite small with big tanks so not too sure how the motor would fit.
Millie
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Like Luke, Millie has a different cab to her real life Basis however hers has an added bunker. So again it would make life difficult for Bachmann to reuse that tooling and if they did reuse her tooling I'm unsure how well her basis would sell. I don't know if there's a market asking for her basis or if she's a bit too niche.
Victor
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Now thankfully Victor doesn't seem to have too many differences, thinner dome ect however I think if Millie is too Niche then Victor's basis probably will be too. I don't know the market for people this basis so it might be another tooling Bachmann can only use once.
Thx for pointing it out to me.
I wanted to build off of the points Mulfred made. It is of note Duncan's issue was specifically lack of general appeal to non-Thomas modelers, rather than the tooling being able to be reused. Doesn't mean tooling's being able to be reused isn't a bonus, but that's not the main reasoning with Duncan. With that in mind I think Luke and Millie are pretty safe bets. There are multiple examples of both engine types, Luke isn't just based on Peter Pan there are other similar wren engines. Same goes for Millie. With that said I'm not sure if there is an exact match for either of them in the real world, I think liberties were taken. However, since there are so many examples, general modelers may jump onto those two to kitbash into whichever example they desire. Therefore, Luke and Millie actually do have the wide appeal Duncan lacked. Even Duncan's chassis I know some modelers were looking forward to was already supplemented by the similar N scale Percy.
Victor is where it gets tricky. He's pretty close to his basis. However, his basis is standard gauge. Meaning general appeal for him simply does not exist. However, he has two liveries which could mitigate the production costs. It's also possible he could have wide general appeal for simply making industrial trains. Think of the old American toolings Awdry used to use for his layout, Victor could meet a similar niche. Albiet, modeling as a hobby has changed a lot since Wilbert's time.
Unfortunately, I do think Duke and Mighty-Mac are out of the question. Even if the model rule was lifted, their production costs would likely run higher than even Duncan. Which, is really risky when both of their basises are already repped in the scale in a RTR format. You might be asking why I didn't mention Freddie, well, he's weirdly different. His basis does exist in kit form, but there is still not RTR example yet. It is entirely possible Freddie may be able to hit a niche that way, however he'd still probably be really pricey and might not be worth pursuing. Although for what it's worth, Mattel produced merch of him up until 2020.
There's also of course Smudger and Proteus. I'm less sure on Smudger simply because they may be saving a green Rheneas recolor for Dolgoch and may not want to double dip, but I'm not counting him out just yet. Proteus, however, is a sure-fire easy model and likely to be a hit. And the new Tallylyn prove Bachmann are willing to attach a head lamp to an existing narrow-gauge tooling. I really can't see much reason to not make him, he's also been in an official Thomas podcast story as of 2021, only issue is he isn't in CGI but I think Bachmann could be able to make it for same reason they have with stuff like the circus vans. They don't require a new tool.
I am also admittedly concerned about the line's future though, however I think we have two more safe choices before we have to worry about that. All we can really do now is make Bachmann aware how much we want these characters and hope for the best.
I think that in the case of Duke, even if he would lack cross-pollination appeal with the OO9 kitbashing crowd, he does at least double as Bertram to help justify the cost of his tooling... It may also be that in whatever far-flung future year a Duke announcement finally happens (likely further off now that Duncan's been kicked down the road), the Kato/PECO George Englands could be discontinued and harder to acquire compared to an upcoming Thomas equivalent.
Either way, I agree that Luke, Millie, Victor and Freddie are pretty safe bets for the future. I do hope OO9 modellers get their Duncan fix someday, though...
What if the Narrow Gauge modellers do not get Duncan fixed?
Quote from: Mulfred100 on October 12, 2024, 04:24:49 AMWell if we are talking about recolours this is a little bit out there but I think these will be brilliant recolours to do
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12 Ton Topham Circus van and 7 plank wagon.
I figure these two would be perfect recolours and would sell well. With the festive vans I feel like the season 8 ones would be too similar even though there's some nice variations. It's something Bandai have done and would appeal to older fans and still have that marketable quality to make younger fans want them and maybe seek out the episode they are from if they haven't seen it already. It's probably a silly idea but I thought I'd throw it out there. If we were to get any classic rolling stock (that's not a Troublesome Truck) I think these stand a good chance
A really solid suggestion! These are a visually unique piece of rolling stock that don't require a new tool. Bachmann probably don't have their reference material, however since these wouldn't require a new tool it may be easier to swing as a repaint opportunity. Plus it was in other toys as you said. Realized the same applies for the D fusit wagon as well so there's a precedent. It's possible Bachmann has since been sent pre season 8 ruler pics which would be great I think. That'd truly put everything on the table, but I do think it's too early to tell on that front.
Quote from: N Scale Sudrian on October 13, 2024, 09:54:46 PMI think that in the case of Duke, even if he would lack cross-pollination appeal with the OO9 kitbashing crowd, he does at least double as Bertram to help justify the cost of his tooling... It may also be that in whatever far-flung future year a Duke announcement finally happens (likely further off now that Duncan's been kicked down the road), the Kato/PECO George Englands could be discontinued and harder to acquire compared to an upcoming Thomas equivalent.
I had the same thought but the only difference between say Victor is that Duke is bigger. Not too much bigger but big enough that only one repaint may still not be worth the production cost depending on how much diecast they want to use. It's entirely up to the Kato/PECO tooling being harder to acquire which may happen by the time these are announced, but that's impossible to predict. Those are also popular sellers. Better to assume they'll be at play for the foreseeable future than speculate on a what if. If they are discontinued though then we can speculate from there.
Hello Everyone, kept trying to post this to the forum but the picture wouldn't load for some reason. Anyway, Here are some concepts for some possible future HO human figure packs!
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Here's the picture in case it loads somehow on y'alls end.
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I really like those figure pack ideas; however I do have one single thought, and it's something that's been nagging at me for a while.
The prospects of Wilbert specifically getting a figure. I think it'd be a really cute announcement, but I know Mattel themselves had to get special permission from the Awdry family to make him in CGI. So, I'm not sure the logistics of any company really, whether it be Tomy or Bachmann or any other licensor making merch of him, how would they negotiate for that? Would it be too tricky to be worth pursuing? I don't really have an answer, I also have no idea if the same applies to Teddy Boston either. I don't really have a sure-fire answer for this, but I wouldn't be shocked if they were simply off limits.
Those figure packs are great. I would also just like a figure pack containing Jeremiah Jobling.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on October 16, 2024, 10:54:25 AMI really like those figure pack ideas; however I do have one single thought, and it's something that's been nagging at me for a while.
The prospects of Wilbert specifically getting a figure. I think it'd be a really cute announcement, but I know Mattel themselves had to get special permission from the Awdry family to make him in CGI. So, I'm not sure the logistics of any company really, whether it be Tomy or Bachmann or any other licensor making merch of him, how would they negotiate for that? Would it be too tricky to be worth pursuing? I don't really have an answer, I also have no idea if the same applies to Teddy Boston either. I don't really have a sure-fire answer for this, but I wouldn't be shocked if they were simply off limits.
One figure that I know they're not making is the queen .
Look an Awdry figure is something that would be super novel . but I honestly would not be surprised if licenser were not allowed to make merch of him . This might be bigger than the CGI mandate in a lot of ways .
Anyway I really think next year we don't need another variant of James .
as many figure packs as possible please.
Hey everyone! Thought I would throw out my wishlist for 2025. Regarding engines, as much as I dislike the avoidance of model-era exclusive characters, I'm gonna keep this list focused on CGI engines.
HO ENGINES
Hiro - Out of all the characters that Bachmann is able to do, Hiro would be the one that I would get most excited for. He was a prominent character in the show, and would be a great step in adding characters from other countries to the line. Tbh, I'm surprised Hiro wasn't selected before Rebecca, as I feel he would have a higher chance in sales being a more popular character. I want to strongly state that even if Rebacca sells well enough, Hiro should get the greenlight, as I feel he would perform better on the market.
Stephen - This is another character that was prominent in the show for many seasons, is popular with fans, and one that I would be excited to purchase. He's a much older looking engine, so I think this could help him stand out in the line. Announcing Stephen would also help increase sales for the open carriage, and those would go perfectly with him.
Diesel 10 - Would honestly be a holy grail item for any Thomas fan. Perhaps a complicated model to make, but one that I would love to see since height isn't a factor.
HO ROLLING STOCK
Judy and Gerome - Having some cranes for the line would be a welcome addition. You also get two characters from one design, so this would be economical. Judy and Gerome go great with any of the characters in the line, especially Daisy, Ryan, Thomas, and James. I also love any rolling stock with a face, adds so much personality.
Works Unit Coach - This would go great on its own and with Judy and Gerome. Plus, as has been mentioned by others, there are different livery options available.
20 Ton Brakevan/Bradford the Brakevan - Seeing this brakevan was announced for n-scale, I would love to see it in HO as well. It could also be used as a repaint for Bradford. Once again, I love a face on rolling stock.
Troublesome Truck 7 - Pretty simple, just a TT using the 12 ton van. I would prefer if it was based on a truck from the model series.
ROAD VEHICLES
Trevor - For the 80th anniversary, I think this is actually my most wanted item. People have been asking for Trevor for years, and he'd go great with either of the farmer figure packs. He also goes great with many rail and road characters already in the line.
Skiff - Kind of a random one, but I think this could be cool. Could be designed so Skiff is separate and has a "truck" he can be placed on for the rails. Don't know if there's interest for this, but thought I'd throw it out there.
At the moment, I'd suggest waiting until 2026 to announce any new narrow gauge engines in light of the Duncan situation. However, I wouldn't mind seeing Luke or Victor in the line. Aside from his cab, Luke is pretty close to his basis and Victor has a yellow repaint option that I would be interested in buying in addition to his regular livery. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing a repaint of the red coaches to look more like they did in the model series.
I don't collect either of the other scales, so that's all I have for the time being. Would love to hear any thoughts!
Mattel just needs to make exceptions for the stupid CGI only mandate.
Quote from: MontagueGWR08 on October 22, 2024, 01:17:30 PMWould love to hear any thoughts!
Some wonderful suggestions, MontagueGWR. I was thinking of posting my own list, but you basically hit everything I would want aside from two. I think
Hector could be a nice addition, even if he is larger than the average wagon. I would also like to see
Bulstrode, since we have a real lack of ships to interact with Cranky. Other than that, an excellent list that holds potential.
Okay so something we could get is more DCC engines as the chip shortage is over .
Gordon Henry James Toby and Edward are the 5 that are DCC ready in the UK.
I do think it's about time we got a breakdown train in the line . Rocky would be way to pricy Bachmann sells his basis for a lot of money .
Judy and Jerome would be a safer option as they are smaller and considering Bachmann sells a breakdown train similar to them for around $87 which is not outrageous for a piece of stock in this day and age . I think that they could be introduced into the lineup . A faceless variant could also happen. And probably could be a really good seller for older fans .
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on October 26, 2024, 12:12:22 PMOkay so something we could get is more DCC engines as the chip shortage is over .
Gordon Henry James Toby and Edward are the 5 that are DCC ready in the UK.
I do think it's about time we got a breakdown train in the line . Rocky would be way to pricy Bachmann sells his basis for a lot of money .
Judy and Jerome would be a safer option as they are smaller and considering Bachmann sells a breakdown train similar to them for around $87 which is not outrageous for a piece of stock in this day and age . I think that they could be introduced into the lineup . A faceless variant could also happen. And probably could be a really good seller for older fans .
I stopped buying engines when DCC ready models became available, with the hope that I could expand my collection with those; but nothing seemed to happen for the last 3/4 years - so DCC engines gets a big yes from me.
Also the Breakdown Train, in fact anything from the early model years is something I'm certainly interested in (Old Coaches, Trevor, Works Unit)
My question for future releases: is the CGI mandate only applied to the locomotives and not rolling stock and/or road vehicles? If so, and just going off of some examples of the ones that never showed up in the CGI series EVER, yet Bachmann still made anyways-like Jeremy, the Spiteful Brakevan, Troublesome Truck #5 w/ one of the model era faces, Toby's Museum Coaches, the Funfair Vans, etc.-then perhaps they can make more rolling stock like Hector, a bogie hopper wagon that I could see having some appeal.
IF that doesn't pan out, just like how the above comments mentioned the likes of Judy and Jerome, and just in the off-chance they'll consider doing even some minor rolling-stock characters like the Spiteful Brakevan, perhaps we can see the Slip Coaches too as another alternative option since the only thing that needs changing are the faces and they can pair up with Duck too!
Quote from: Luke22 on October 26, 2024, 07:10:18 PMMy question for future releases: is the CGI mandate only applied to the locomotives and not rolling stock and/or road vehicles? If so, and just going off of some examples of the ones that never showed up in the CGI series EVER, yet Bachmann still made anyways-like Jeremy, the Spiteful Brakevan, Troublesome Truck #5 w/ one of the model era faces, Toby's Museum Coaches, the Funfair Vans, etc.-then perhaps they can make more rolling stock like Hector, a bogie hopper wagon that I could see having some appeal.
We don't actually know how rolling stock factors in just yet. My current theory is there's no issue as long as it doesn't require a new mold. Stuff like the fun fair wagons for example are being made alongside cgi designs so it's ok. However, the D Fusit van may disprove this. it's basis is actually different from the two in CGI that are also being made. I'm going to be curious if they go the extra mile and make both designs or not. Bachmann clearly loves realism with that one. The high side gondolas have outside axle boxes like their basis for the inside CGI axle boxes.
If they do do a classic breakdown train it will probably be a faceless Judy/Jerome expect no modifications . With that being said, I do think it's a good idea.
Instead of a gold Thomas variant what about streamlined Thomas Annie and Clarabel
They already have the chassis for it and I definitely think it could be a really good seller . They could modify the tooling for a turbo Thomas as well.
In Blue Mountain Mystery, the open Tallylyn Coaches appear. I think these could be a good suggestion for the narrow-gauge line to add coach variety. Assuming I'm correct regarding the gunpowder wagons (as in D. Fusit being a recolor of the cgi model) they could use this as a base and recolor it into the green and cream ones from the model series. Can also be added to the general Tallylyn line as well with the TR numbers. .
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on October 26, 2024, 08:36:16 PMIf they do do a classic breakdown train it will probably be a faceless Judy/Jerome expect no modifications . With that being said, I do think it's a good idea.
The faces on the all Troublesome Trucks and Spiteful are removeable (certainly for HO, not sure about the other scales); kill two birds with one stone and design the Breakdown Train with detachable Judy/Jerome faces.
EDIT: this has got be thinking, as the Engines faces are also removeable, how about a "Faces Pack" for each character? Have 5 different faces or so - neutral, smiley, sleepy, cross, shocked... that can be easily interchanged with the original.
I actually have removed the faces of duplicates of the Troublesome trucks and put them on other trucks. I have gray trucks that have faces of Troublesome Trucks 3-5. The only truck I haven't gotten a duplicate of is Troublesome Truck 6. But I'll find a time to get one and use the face for another tanker. Regarding removable faces for the engines, that's a great idea. With Shapeways pretty much history, now is the time for Bachmann to make faces packs.
Kato, which distributes Bachmann Thomas in Japan have already launched their own face pack line for over there. So I doubt it's something Bachmann themselves will undertake, but I'd definitely be interested in them doing so. Plus Diesel's separate sale and the faces not technically meant to come off inherently without having to take them off themselves. It's unlikely Bachmann themselves would take up this kind of product. Fans can just add the faces they want themselves.
Quote from: really called Thomas on October 27, 2024, 12:04:03 AMQuote from: Awesometrain77 on October 26, 2024, 08:36:16 PMIf they do do a classic breakdown train it will probably be a faceless Judy/Jerome expect no modifications . With that being said, I do think it's a good idea.
The faces on the all Troublesome Trucks and Spiteful are removeable (certainly for HO, not sure about the other scales); kill two birds with one stone and design the Breakdown Train with detachable Judy/Jerome faces.
EDIT: this has got be thinking, as the Engines faces are also removeable, how about a "Faces Pack" for each character? Have 5 different faces or so - neutral, smiley, sleepy, cross, shocked... that can be easily interchanged with the original.
Considering Ryan's face popped off too easily when I got mine, that's actually a pretty good idea! Plus if they want to, especially for the classic characters, they could make either more classic faces and/or CGI faces especially for those characters that were released from 2002 to 2013 (except Diesel who got a CGI style face). That could be something to consider down the line if they wanted to...
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on October 27, 2024, 12:44:04 PMKato, which distributes Bachmann Thomas in Japan have already launched their own face pack line for over there.
Wait those got launched because those images we saw on twitter were prototypes, and lets hope we can get faces for James and especially Percy.
Quote from: harrison05 on October 27, 2024, 10:00:46 PMQuote from: DustyMarie53! on October 27, 2024, 12:44:04 PMKato, which distributes Bachmann Thomas in Japan have already launched their own face pack line for over there.
Wait those got launched because those images we saw on twitter were prototypes, and lets hope we can get faces for James and especially Percy.
Correct, the happy face launched officially via their website. I don't believe the other two faces they advertised have yet however
Wanted to perform an interest check regarding a potential future character. That being Connor from the later CGI series. Now, obviously Hiro should come first. I'm not suggesting he doesn't. However, I was thinking for big engines beyond Hiro, and Connor specifically caught my eye. Beau had a wide appeal, likely by being such an iconic American steam locomotive with a face. I feel Connor, being a Hudson, could in fact reach a similar demographic. Bachmann are already producing their own Hudsons so they could use that experience to go into producing the similar design of Connor (they will not reuse the existing models; Doug has already clarified this during Thomas Tuesday. However, a similar development process could still be employed).
My question is, would people here be interested in buying a Connor? Would you be excited if he was announced, or do you think there is a better candidate from CGI for future tender engines, if any? Would you rather the line just focusses on remaining CGI small engines because there are in fact a lot of them? Would you rather they lead with Caitlin instead and use her to springboard on potentially making her basis in the normal HO line? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter.
I would!;)
I don't mind buying Connor, but I wonder if that leads into making Caitlin as the two go together.
I'd like a Connor and like others said hopefully that leads to a Caitlin i'm just dying for a Hiro first.
The only thing for Connor is that the pricing will be a challenge in a way... The Rebecca model is already expensive enough as a tender engine as she is, so the only way I can see Bachmann considering Connor is if they kind of reuse parts from the Hudson model they use, like the wheels for example, to at least keep the pricing down even just between more Beau's RRP and less Rebecca's RRP... Just like how Stanley looks like he reuses Thomas' wheels (w/ updated siderods) and/or Ryan reusing Oliver's wheel's, that'll be hopefully something they can consider.
Just out of curiosity, is there a set amount that Rebecca has to sell in order to greenlight Hiro's model (like 100 units/models of Rebecca for example?)?
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on October 28, 2024, 02:31:06 PMWanted to perform an interest check regarding a potential future character. That being Connor from the later CGI series. Now, obviously Hiro should come first. I'm not suggesting he doesn't. However, I was thinking for big engines beyond Hiro, and Connor specifically caught my eye. Beau had a wide appeal, likely by being such an iconic American steam locomotive with a face. I feel Connor, being a Hudson, could in fact reach a similar demographic. Bachmann are already producing their own Hudsons so they could use that experience to go into producing the similar design of Connor (they will not reuse the existing models; Doug has already clarified this during Thomas Tuesday. However, a similar development process could still be employed).
My question is, would people here be interested in buying a Connor? Would you be excited if he was announced, or do you think there is a better candidate from CGI for future tender engines, if any? Would you rather the line just focusses on remaining CGI small engines because there are in fact a lot of them? I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts on the matter.
He'll be too expensive and there's alot you aren't taking in to account for Connor. Firstly I can't see Mattel greenlighting Connor without Caitlin so I feel like even though both engines have their own arc in the series, However I think Mattel will still want them to be released together not one without the other. I mean thats kind of the point of them both to being with. Then there's their coaches too which would require new tooling because you can't really release Connor or/and Caitlin without their coaches too pull so that's more money for Bachmann to have to spend on tooling. I mean yes once you have a coach you can just repaint it and sell multiple units for their rake of coaches but it's still a cost. At least with Hiro and Rebecca it's just the cost for the engine. They haven't got any specific rolling stock they need and they aren't tired too heavily marketing wise with any other engines (who isn't already available) as I say I think Connor is too heavily tied to Caitlin to make alone then when you do add Caitlin into the mix the price doubles because now you need to make two big tender engines not just the lone one. Plus the added difficulty of Connor being a Hudson while Caitlin is a P-7 so it's not like Donald and Douglas where it's essentially the same tooling.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on October 29, 2024, 04:23:53 AMHe'll be too expensive and there's alot you aren't taking in to account for Connor. Firstly I can't see Mattel greenlighting Connor without Caitlin so I feel like even though both engines have their own arc in the series, However I think Mattel will still want them to be released together not one without the other. I mean thats kind of the point of them both to being with. Then there's their coaches too which would require new tooling because you can't really release Connor or/and Caitlin without their coaches too pull so that's more money for Bachmann to have to spend on tooling. I mean yes once you have a coach you can just repaint it and sell multiple units for their rake of coaches but it's still a cost. At least with Hiro and Rebecca it's just the cost for the engine. They haven't got any specific rolling stock they need and they aren't tired too heavily marketing wise with any other engines (who isn't already available) as I say I think Connor is too heavily tied to Caitlin to make alone then when you do add Caitlin into the mix the price doubles because now you need to make two big tender engines not just the lone one. Plus the added difficulty of Connor being a Hudson while Caitlin is a P-7 so it's not like Donald and Douglas where it's essentially the same tooling.
Except Mattel themselves have had multiple wave releases of either just Caitlin, or just Connor. They aren't locked at the hip. Same as say, them not having to announce a Porter alongside a Salty reintroduction. Mattel have also only ever made their coaches once, so once again, not a requirement on their end. So, there's no real reason to assume Bachmann would be locked into either. It's also not like Bachmann is strangers of selling stuff like Toad in N scale without Oliver or having the express coaches not in the HO line for years. I do agree he would be expensive however that's exactly why I'm arguing in favor of him. Being the engine type he is has the most likelihood to mitigate that high production cost based on Beau, that I don't think any other tender engine (aside from Hiro) could reach. But same point could be made maybe that's why big engines simply aren't worth pursuing anymore, which I raised in the original comment.
Quote from: Zorran202 on October 28, 2024, 11:35:56 PMJust out of curiosity, is there a set amount that Rebecca has to sell in order to greenlight Hiro's model (like 100 units/models of Rebecca for example?)?
Unknown, just Doug Blaine suggesting that future tender engines are up to Rebecca. I will say preliminary trainworld data is good. She's in the top 15 of wishlisted preorders on Trainworld right now. Even if this isn't inherently equal to sales if everyone who has her wishlisted buys her that'll make her a huge success. It's also worth noting how DCC Thomas and N scale Gordon are also high on the wishlist end, and we know they were within the top 3 of Thomas preorders for a while. So again, a good sign.
Is there a link to ordering the Kato happy face for Thomas? I can't seem to find it.
Quote from: [email protected] on October 29, 2024, 08:44:09 AMIs there a link to ordering the Kato happy face for Thomas? I can't seem to find it.
Currently they are Japanese exclusive, and likely to stay that way. You can however order them via proxy websites such as Buyee but I'm admittedly unsure how to do that via KATO directly. I believe a member of this forum has done exactly that, so it may be worth shooting N Scale Sudrian a private message to look into it further if desired.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on October 29, 2024, 08:37:33 AMQuote from: Mulfred100 on October 29, 2024, 04:23:53 AMHe'll be too expensive and there's alot you aren't taking in to account for Connor. Firstly I can't see Mattel greenlighting Connor without Caitlin so I feel like even though both engines have their own arc in the series, However I think Mattel will still want them to be released together not one without the other. I mean thats kind of the point of them both to being with. Then there's their coaches too which would require new tooling because you can't really release Connor or/and Caitlin without their coaches too pull so that's more money for Bachmann to have to spend on tooling. I mean yes once you have a coach you can just repaint it and sell multiple units for their rake of coaches but it's still a cost. At least with Hiro and Rebecca it's just the cost for the engine. They haven't got any specific rolling stock they need and they aren't tired too heavily marketing wise with any other engines (who isn't already available) as I say I think Connor is too heavily tied to Caitlin to make alone then when you do add Caitlin into the mix the price doubles because now you need to make two big tender engines not just the lone one. Plus the added difficulty of Connor being a Hudson while Caitlin is a P-7 so it's not like Donald and Douglas where it's essentially the same tooling.
Except Mattel themselves have had multiple wave releases of either just Caitlin, or just Connor. They aren't locked at the hip. Same as say, them not having to announce a Porter alongside a Salty reintroduction. Mattel have also only ever made their coaches once, so once again, not a requirement on their end. So, there's no real reason to assume Bachmann would be locked into either. It's also not like Bachmann is strangers of selling stuff like Toad in N scale without Oliver or having the express coaches not in the HO line for years. I do agree he would be expensive however that's exactly why I'm arguing in favor of him. Being the engine type he is has the most likelihood to mitigate that high production cost based on Beau, that I don't think any other tender engine (aside from Hiro) could reach. But same point could be made maybe that's why big engines simply aren't worth pursuing anymore, which I raised in the original comment.
Well name some then? Because every one I've checked of the big merch lines have had them together baring wood which both were planned and only Caitlin was released which we all know what happened there and plarail who eventually released both.
Every single argument you've made there isn't applicable to Connor and Caitlin though. You mentioned Salty and Porter. Salty has been around for YEARS before Porter so that argument doesn't work. As for Rolling stock like Toad, yes but he's a cheap simple model to make not a massive tender engine that'll cost $300+ and the Express Coaches again going back to my point about Connor and Caitlin, they are pretty much exclusively seen pulling their own coaches where as Gordon and the NWR engines still had/have products in the range that suit them. Plus the Express Coaches were available and discontinued and reintroduced so that's invalid to the Connor argument. Plus you gleefully glossed over the point about needing coaching tooling required for their coaches because again can't really do the engine without the coaches can you. And why Connor? Why not Caitlin? Since Doug has ruled out they won't be using the Hudson for Connor like Beau surely since both require new tooling she would be just as plausible. Heck it might even mean Bachmann can make her basis
Quote from: Mulfred100 on October 29, 2024, 09:15:54 AMWell name some then? Because every one I've checked of the big merch lines have had them together baring wood which both were planned and only Caitlin was released which we all know what happened there and plarail who eventually released both.
Every single argument you've made there isn't applicable to Connor and Caitlin though. You mentioned Salty and Porter. Salty has been around for YEARS before Porter so that argument doesn't work. As for Rolling stock like Toad, yes but he's a cheap simple model to make not a massive tender engine that'll cost $300+ and the Express Coaches again going back to my point about Connor and Caitlin, they are pretty much exclusively seen pulling their own coaches where as Gordon and the NWR engines still had/have products in the range that suit them. Plus the Express Coaches were available and discontinued and reintroduced so that's invalid to the Connor argument. Plus you gleefully glossed over the point about needing coaching tooling required for their coaches because again can't really do the engine without the coaches can you. And why Connor? Why not Caitlin? Since Doug has ruled out they won't be using the Hudson for Connor like Beau surely since both require new tooling she would be just as plausible. Heck it might even mean Bachmann can make her basis
Adventures and 2014 Take N Play debuted Connor and Caitlin in separate cases when they released, they were not sold on store shelves together initially. I do not know if the same is true for TWR and 2013 Take N Play because I did not collect them at the time. Plarail similarly took 5 years before Caitlin got a single release. It's proof these two characters are not conjoined at the hip nor does Mattel mandate it as such, but we can already infer Bachmann doesn't really care about that thing, again via Toad being announced so early on in the N scale line's life. He's simpler sure, but they could have lead with the graham farish brake van they are doing now which is arguably even easier. You're making the assumption Bachmann has to release Connor, the coaches, and Caitlin all at once instead of just simply spreading them out like they have before. In fact, they could launch say, the coaches first like they did with G Scale Emily's to test the waters since it would be the cheaper of the new molds. But again, Bachmann has proven before they do not require the coaches to be announced alongside the engines immediately. Look at Henrietta in G scale, or rather the lack thereof. Or look at how they didn't immediately announce the express coaches or Henrietta alongside Gordon and Henrietta in N as another example. So, who's to say they even make their coaches until demand begins to exist for them?
To add on why I didn't focus on Caitlin, it's a rather simple answer. Connor was on the mind because Doug addressed him directly but didn't immediately shoot him down like Diesel 10, just the specific idea of reusing the existing tooling was dismissed. He was simply on my mind, and I would expect him to be the one they lead with especially now that he has been directly acknowledged via livestream. Plus, her basis isn't as iconic as the Hudson so wouldn't particularly line up with my point regarding Beau I was presenting within the original question. However, I actually personally like Caitlin more. She'd be the next one I'd expect after him but didn't feel the particular need to add her on for the questions because I figured the answer for them both would be the same anyhow. In hindsight though I do kind of wish I added both to get a better sampling. After all, I'd rather it be the other way around though and they lead with Caitlin so others may feel the same way. I'm actually going to edit that into the initial question because it is a fair point
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on October 29, 2024, 11:20:30 AMQuote from: Mulfred100 on October 29, 2024, 09:15:54 AMWell name some then? Because every one I've checked of the big merch lines have had them together baring wood which both were planned and only Caitlin was released which we all know what happened there and plarail who eventually released both.
Every single argument you've made there isn't applicable to Connor and Caitlin though. You mentioned Salty and Porter. Salty has been around for YEARS before Porter so that argument doesn't work. As for Rolling stock like Toad, yes but he's a cheap simple model to make not a massive tender engine that'll cost $300+ and the Express Coaches again going back to my point about Connor and Caitlin, they are pretty much exclusively seen pulling their own coaches where as Gordon and the NWR engines still had/have products in the range that suit them. Plus the Express Coaches were available and discontinued and reintroduced so that's invalid to the Connor argument. Plus you gleefully glossed over the point about needing coaching tooling required for their coaches because again can't really do the engine without the coaches can you. And why Connor? Why not Caitlin? Since Doug has ruled out they won't be using the Hudson for Connor like Beau surely since both require new tooling she would be just as plausible. Heck it might even mean Bachmann can make her basis
Adventures and 2014 Take N Play debuted Connor and Caitlin in separate cases when they released, they were not sold on store shelves together initially. I do not know if the same is true for TWR and 2013 Take N Play because I did not collect them at the time. Plarail similarly took 5 years before Caitlin got a single release. It's proof these two characters are not conjoined at the hip nor does Mattel mandate it as such, but we can already infer Bachmann doesn't really care about that thing, again via Toad being announced so early on in the N scale line's life. He's simpler sure, but they could have lead with the graham farish brake van they are doing now which is arguably even easier. You're making the assumption Bachmann has to release Connor, the coaches, and Caitlin all at once instead of just simply spreading them out like they have before. In fact, they could launch say, the coaches first like they did with G Scale Emily's to test the waters since it would be the cheaper of the new molds. But again, Bachmann has proven before they do not require the coaches to be announced alongside the engines immediately. Look at Henrietta in G scale, or rather the lack thereof. Or look at how they didn't immediately announce the express coaches or Henrietta alongside Gordon and Henrietta in N as another example. So, who's to say they even make their coaches until demand begins to exist for them?
To add on why I didn't focus on Caitlin, it's a rather simple answer. Connor was on the mind because Doug addressed him directly but didn't immediately shoot him down like Diesel 10, just the specific idea of reusing the existing tooling was dismissed. He was simply on my mind, and I would expect him to be the one they lead with especially now that he has been directly acknowledged via livestream. Plus, her basis isn't as iconic as the Hudson so wouldn't particularly line up with my point regarding Beau I was presenting within the original question. However, I actually personally like Caitlin more. She'd be the next one I'd expect after him but didn't feel the particular need to add her on for the questions because I figured the answer for them both would be the same anyhow. In hindsight though I do kind of wish I added both to get a better sampling. After all, I'd rather it be the other way around though and they lead with Caitlin so others may feel the same way. I'm actually going to edit that into the initial question because it is a fair point
Marie you keep missing my point and throwing out characters and items that still don't apply to Connor or Caitlin. Toby in G Scale still fits in with or without Henrietta. Just like Gordon fits into the N Scale line with or without his express coaches because they are diverse characters seen pulling a vast array of rolling stock and not looking out of place. My point is regardless of if Bachmann released Connor or Caitlin or their coaches eventually all 3 will have to come because they are so connected. If you released Connor then you and I both know the first thing would be everyone saying "well where's his coaches? What's he gonna pull? Where's Caitlin?" So I feel like Bachmann has to at least Greenlight one and their coaches at least in the same calendar year. However they would be costly and I don't know if Bachmann would feel confident enough to go for it. Now I could be wrong Bachmann could announce one and in 2027 the coaches then in 2030 the other but I feel like these two over any other engines (not yet released) do require their rolling stock be released along side. Even over engines like Samson and Bradford or the international engines and their rolling stock. Speaking of tender engines and I'll get shot down in flames for these two. Yong Bao or Merlin? I think out of all the BWBA engines Yong Bao is probably the most beloved even over Beau. And Merlin is a fun tender engine.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on October 29, 2024, 12:31:30 PMMarie you keep missing my point and throwing out characters and items that still don't apply to Connor or Caitlin. Toby in G Scale still fits in with or without Henrietta. Just like Gordon fits into the N Scale line with or without his express coaches because they are diverse characters seen pulling a vast array of rolling stock and not looking out of place. My point is regardless of if Bachmann released Connor or Caitlin or their coaches eventually all 3 will have to come because they are so connected. If you released Connor then you and I both know the first thing would be everyone saying "well where's his coaches? What's he gonna pull? Where's Caitlin?" So I feel like Bachmann has to at least Greenlight one and their coaches at least in the same calendar year. However they would be costly and I don't know if Bachmann would feel confident enough to go for it. Now I could be wrong Bachmann could announce one and in 2027 the coaches then in 2030 the other but I feel like these two over any other engines (not yet released) do require their rolling stock be released along side. Even over engines like Samson and Bradford or the international engines and their rolling stock. Speaking of tender engines and I'll get shot down in flames for these two. Yong Bao or Merlin? I think out of all the BWBA engines Yong Bao is probably the most beloved even over Beau. And Merlin is a fun tender engine.
You know what. This on me. I apologize. I was more focused on the point they needed to happen together I wasn't piecing together exactly what you were saying, yeah this makes sense. Even if they spaced it up like I (lets say, coach 2030, Connor 2031, Caitlin 2032) that's still a pretty costly undertaking. I do think ultimately it would pay off but I'd also be reluctant. This does raise an interesting question though. Are Den and Dart unlikely for the same reason? They'd be cheaper, but they are still pretty linked and I don't believe they've had a toy released not together since before 2015. So would they also be a hard sell for Bachmann since they'd probably have to be announced together? Or do you think they'd be simple enough to mitigate that?
Yong Bao actually is interesting. Bachmann has produced his basis before so they could in theory use similar techniques to make him. I do think him being in AEG is proof of his longevity and popularity. Merlin also I'd say would be an interesting one for his color. I'd definitely by him
I'd also like to throw a bone to Carlos. I think him being so close to his basis could give him a niche in the line. He's also a much smaller tender engine so would be an easier swing then most others. I don't think he's particularly likely, nor do I think many will ask for him. But he's one I'd personally like to see. He's also the only TGR newbie without a toy now which is a shame because he has such a nice design.
I think both Merlin and Yong Bao hold some potential. Out of the two, however, I would prefer if we got Merlin over Yong Bao since he's a smaller tender engine, so could be cheaper. His overall design is also pretty unique, considering his 3 funnels and silver paint. Carlos is also an interesting choice, and seeing him added to the line could be pretty cool. Considering he's pretty realistic, I could definitely see some mass appeal with him.
Tbh we have to keep in mind they go based on popularity Carlos is by no means popular and unlike Beau, they don't have his basis . Compare to a engine that has a very similar size Merlin who was very popular in the fandom when JBS came out and considering one on the Bachmann USA team models, the southern region I feel like he is just more likly. However don't get me wrong I would love to see Carlos in the range but I honestly can't see him happening before Merlin .
As for Conner and catlin I do think that they will be very pricey models and if they were to get made while they are more popular than Merlin from what I can tell . I dont think there are as popular as diesel 10 who would likely be the same scale as a OO scale streamlined Hudson when you think about it but that's just me again I would really like to see Connor Caitlin happen but I do want to see diesel 10 more .
Also, if they end up doing Connor and Catlin would it be worth making new tooled Pullman luxury coaches that could be used for several items such as aurdy and Aiden
If Bachmann really wants to make the most of engine tooling repaints, I feel like they should at least try to pitch Norman and Dennis to Mattel before continuing to scrape the barrel for Big World Big Adventures era characters.
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Dennis is a model era character, true, but he does have the distinction of being noted several times as a sibling of Norman in Norman's bios and merchandise. To me personally, it makes him "somewhat" of an honorary CGI character, compared to BoCo or Stepney, whom of which were never mentioned in the CGI era in any regard. I really get the impression that had BWBA not jumped in, we could've seen Dennis surface in the CGI era with Norman.
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Topping that off, Norman has had a few speaking roles throughout the CGI era, and is often marketed with Paxton and Sidney as a trio (probably because they're each red, green, and blue), so he has a notable presence in CGI. Bachmann has made Paxton, and is now making Sidney, so why not round off the trio? To me, Norman and Dennis is a win-win for Bachmann and its consumers; niche and quirky, but bold and unique additions to the range.
I couldn't give 2 scraps about Norman in the show. But I would 100% buy him if Bachmann made him I think he would look fire. (I'd buy Dennis in a heartbeat but because we have the cgi mandate rn I had to say Norman)
Okay so to the topic of what I want to see in 2025 .
Trevor is the last Awdry character they can with the CGI mandate that would be probable for them to make .
I also would like to see a classic model face troublesome van.
A orange van with the face that is so iconic https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/f/f6/MainTroublesomeVanModel6.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20190111121837
While they are at it they should also make Lei a 12 ton van that appears in BWBA
In addition to those I would also like to see some re-introductions of some rolling stock those being
The M truck and well wagon
As for new engines streamlined Thomas would be a nice addition a with a blue Annie and clarabel
Percy's chocolate crunch could also be cool
Diesel 10 is someone is very popular and considering how well preorders for Rebecca have went I think he should happen .
As for narrow gauge I think a narrow gauge set is a good idea
I do think realistically we probably won't see Diesel 10 and Harvey next year. If they were in the cards as potential candidates, I doubt Doug Blaine would have talked about them so recently. Not that I think they are out of the question, nor should that mean requests stop. Just being realistic. A company is unlikely to say, "hey this product has issues" and then announce it practically right after. Even if they are announced at NMRA (which is where I'm expecting new HO tools to be announced from here on out) that's still less than a year of a difference.) I'd reckon we'll have to wait until 2026 before they are seriously considered again, but I could be wrong.
Are preorders actually going well for Rebecca? The last I knew she wasn't in the the top three according TrainWorld's preorders. That doesn't mean that she might not be fourth or fifth, but I just don't see huge demand for Rebecca.
The 25th anniversary of the line is in 2027 something they could do Is rerelease arry and Bert and uncancel Duncan , and give us diesel 10 for the NMRA 2027.
but I really do think that diesel 10 would be perfect for the 80th anniversary anniversary
However streamlined Thomas my other idea I could definitely see happening and in 5 years from then they could make turbo Thomas for the 85th .
Streamlining Thomas could have a new CGI face which they could put on the normal Thomas at a later point a perfect excuse to update the face since Bachman does not want to halt making a new version of Thomas that has a new face would be ideal.
Anyway if we don't get diesel 10 next year a second choice would havery but I do know that he also is not that likely. Both of them are super popular.TATMR is also going to be 25 years old next year so that's another reason why I would like him to be announced . However, if I were to give one more realistic suggestion it would be Judy and Jerome .
I also think we need a new set I do know that Bachman likes to make the n scale sets but we only have 3 HO sets so what if they compromise and finally give the narrow gauge engines they're own set
It would come with skarloey and a exclusive red coach that people suggested for ages which would give an incentive to buy the set . As well as a brown ng brake van which you would release by itself.
Lastly, if a new tool streamline, Thomas seems too risky which honestly is not then they could do a pink Thomas from the adventure begins
I honestly do not see Bachmann doing Diesel 10 in 2027, not to be a pessimist, but because they said that they are just scared in case the plan for him flops.
Quote from: RailsByRick on November 02, 2024, 06:39:44 PMAre preorders actually going well for Rebecca? The last I knew she wasn't in the the top three according TrainWorld's preorders. That doesn't mean that she might not be fourth or fifth, but I just don't see huge demand for Rebecca.
The simple answer is we don't know for sure. Trainworld let's you search by wishlisted items. She is currently in 13th place for preorders, out of 7923 current preorders. This does not inherently equal sales. DCC Thomas and N scale Gordon are higher wishlisted and we know they are top preorders. However we won't know for sure until it's confirmed from an official source how good her preorders are. She is currently in 37th place for wishlisted items in the Thomas line out of 194. These are good signs but again, no way of knowing for sure right now. She releases on their on the 16th so maybe reviews will boost her up come release of the full batch. We will just have to wait and see.
If you're curious the currently lowest wishlisted Thomas preorder is the dark grey gondola for the narrow gauge line, above only the G scale Farmer Mccoll which is now discontinued. However what is at the bottom consistently fluctuates. DCC Thomas, Salty, N Gordon, Rebecca, and DCC Percy have remained consistently in the top 15 wishlisted for preorders on Trainworld, in that order.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on November 02, 2024, 09:15:09 PMQuote from: RailsByRick on November 02, 2024, 06:39:44 PMAre preorders actually going well for Rebecca? The last I knew she wasn't in the the top three according TrainWorld's preorders. That doesn't mean that she might not be fourth or fifth, but I just don't see huge demand for Rebecca.
The simple answer is we don't know for sure. Trainworld let's you search by wishlisted items. She is currently in 13th place for preorders, out of 7923 current preorders. This does not inherently equal sales. DCC Thomas and N scale Gordon are higher wishlisted and we know they are top preorders. However we won't know for sure until it's confirmed from an official source how good her preorders are. She is currently in 37th place for wishlisted items in the Thomas line out of 194. These are good signs but again, no way of knowing for sure right now. She releases on their on the 16th so maybe reviews will boost her up come release of the full batch. We will just have to wait and see.
If you're curious the currently lowest wishlisted Thomas preorder is the dark grey gondola for the narrow gauge line, above only the G scale Farmer Mccoll which is now discontinued. However what is at the bottom consistently fluctuates. DCC Thomas, Salty, N Gordon, Rebecca, and DCC Percy have remained consistently in the top 15 wishlisted for preorders on Trainworld, in that order.
The wishlists at Trainworld are meant to be placeholders for people who are interested in possibly pre-ordering an item or plan on purchasing the item in question while given an option to share this wishlist for friends and family (which would be ideal for Christmas or birthday lists for friends and family).
The things that actually matter for Bachmann and shops like Trainworld are the preorder numbers and the sales of the upcoming products. The wishlists need to be taken with a grain of salt and not as justification for what sales or preorder numbers of an upcoming product are actually going to be.
Quote from: Chaz on November 03, 2024, 02:21:32 AMThe wishlists at Trainworld are meant to be placeholders for people who are interested in possibly pre-ordering an item or plan on purchasing the item in question while given an option to share this wishlist for friends and family (which would be ideal for Christmas or birthday lists for friends and family).
The things that actually matter for Bachmann and shops like Trainworld are the preorder numbers and the sales of the upcoming products. The wishlists need to be taken with a grain of salt and not as justification for what sales or preorder numbers of an upcoming product are actually going to be.
Exactly what I said, it's not definitive data just a good indicator. However, that's why I made a point regarding DCC Thomas and N scale Gordon are highly wishlisted as well. We know they were in the top 3 preorders alongside Beau. So the other wishlisted items are likely also doing well, or will do well once said people eventually buy them. As a counter example, the G scale Museum Coaches are near the bottom currently. I don't know a single person who has bought them, so this feels rather accurate. Unfortunately, there is no way to actually check preorder popularity, so this is the best case of reference on possible statistics we can use. It's not definitive proof one way or the other but is a good potential indicator. They haven't said anything regarding Salty but I imagine that may be because of the fact he is on indefinite hold. With that in mind I would not be shocked if Rebecca took Beau's spot in the top 3 preorders, but we'll have no way of knowing unless someone confirms it on the next stream since her and N Gordon release in 13 days, which was my main point. We don't know, here's some potential reference data but it isn't fully reliable. Make your own assumptions with it. If nothing else, this definitively tells us people
want Rebecca at least currently. How her sales will turn out again, we will have to wait and see.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on November 03, 2024, 08:57:49 AMQuote from: Chaz on November 03, 2024, 02:21:32 AMThe wishlists at Trainworld are meant to be placeholders for people who are interested in possibly pre-ordering an item or plan on purchasing the item in question while given an option to share this wishlist for friends and family (which would be ideal for Christmas or birthday lists for friends and family).
The things that actually matter for Bachmann and shops like Trainworld are the preorder numbers and the sales of the upcoming products. The wishlists need to be taken with a grain of salt and not as justification for what sales or preorder numbers of an upcoming product are actually going to be.
Exactly what I said, it's not definitive data just a good indicator. However, that's why I made a point regarding DCC Thomas and N scale Gordon are highly wishlisted as well. We know they were in the top 3 preorders alongside Beau. So the other wishlisted items are likely also doing well, or will do well once said people eventually buy them. As a counter example, the G scale Museum Coaches are near the bottom currently. I don't know a single person who has bought them, so this feels rather accurate. Unfortunately, there is no way to actually check preorder popularity, so this is the best case of reference on possible statistics we can use. It's not definitive proof one way or the other but is a good potential indicator. They haven't said anything regarding Salty but I imagine that may be because of the fact he is on indefinite hold. With that in mind I would not be shocked if Rebecca took Beau's spot in the top 3 preorders, but we'll have no way of knowing unless someone confirms it on the next stream since her and N Gordon release in 13 days, which was my main point. We don't know, here's some potential reference data but it isn't fully reliable. Make your own assumptions with it. If nothing else, this definitively tells us people want Rebecca at least currently. How her sales will turn out again, we will have to wait and see.
I do feel like the "watchlist" theory Is very flawed for judging popularity for a few reasons. It tells you the order of where things are on trainworld but that's all the data you can get from it. It's like saying Rebecca has been added to x amount of watch lists, n scale Gordon has been added to this many. For all we know there could be 1 or 2 differences in how many people have them on their lists, or it could be 50 or 100. We simply don't know. Secondly as you've pointed out they aren't sales and heavily rely on people going back to check out with the item or taking it off their watch list if they decide they don't want to buy her or any items. I'm guilty of that myself I've got a long list of items on my Ebay in my watch list that I had every intention of buying but life crops up and over time you forget or buy the item elsewhere or simply no longer want it. Thirdly and I think this is important to remember is international sales or just sales away from Trainworld in general. I'm an international customer who will likely buy Rebecca but I wouldn't be ordering from trainworld due to customs charges so I wait for distributors in my area to get stock and order via them, as will many others. As said without someone saying this item sold over x many units compared to this item it's all speculation and as I say watchlists for me aren't really a good way to judge for reasons stated.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on November 03, 2024, 10:05:43 AMI do feel like the "watchlist" theory Is very flawed for judging popularity for a few reasons. It tells you the order of where things are on trainworld but that's all the data you can get from it. It's like saying Rebecca has been added to x amount of watch lists, n scale Gordon has been added to this many. For all we know there could be 1 or 2 differences in how many people have them on their lists, or it could be 50 or 100. We simply don't know. Secondly as you've pointed out they aren't sales and heavily rely on people going back to check out with the item or taking it off their watch list if they decide they don't want to buy her or any items. I'm guilty of that myself I've got a long list of items on my Ebay in my watch list that I had every intention of buying but life crops up and over time you forget or buy the item elsewhere or simply no longer want it. Thirdly and I think this is important to remember is international sales or just sales away from Trainworld in general. I'm an international customer who will likely buy Rebecca but I wouldn't be ordering from trainworld due to customs charges so I wait for distributors in my area to get stock and order via them, as will many others. As said without someone saying this item sold over x many units compared to this item it's all speculation and as I say watchlists for me aren't really a good way to judge for reasons stated.
Yeah, again agreed on all accounts. It is flawed metrics it's just the only thing we have to even give a suggestion right now. And also right that it's not the only retailer, which I thought I put in my last post but it appears I accidentally deleted it out, that's on me. Also correct on the things only being one or two away from each other. The Thomas watchlists fluctuate constantly. She's been steadily climbing up but hard to say by how much without actual numbers. With that said her place within ALL preorders has remained consistent, but that's just it, ALL preorders. Bachmann isn't going to be looking at that as metrics anyway in relation to other companies. It'll be how she does in relation the Thomas line. I've heard she's doing ok from a former trainworld employee (same employee who also recently confirmed on Twitter DCC Thomas and Percy are not retools) but that is old data so hard to say where she stands now, hence why I haven't brought it up before now because I think that's even less reliable personally. Even then, she's high up in wishlisted preorders but by how much? Impossible to gauge. I do think it's a good sign that she will have momentum, but if it sticks, or is only because Stanley and Sir Handel and others won't be out by christmas, we'll have to see.
I don't really have anything else to add, other then, yes it's a flawed metric. Yes it should not be taken as 100% fact. It can be used to determine potential sales/popularity but not by how much exactly. Right now it's good for filling in potential gaps between what info we do have from Bachmann and trainworld staff from within the Tuesday streams, but should not be taken as 100% fact because it's just that. Potential. How well she ends up doing is going to be a long process and probably one we won't have the grasp on for a while. That's why I'm not personally expecting to see Hiro announced next year either because they'd probably want to wait a good while before deciding if other tender engines are worth pursuing. My bet is firmly on Whiff or Nia, leaning on Whiff.
I hope this is all worded well.
TLDR: I agree with both you and Chaz for reasons outlined above. because yes this did get long and rambly and I apologize for that.
Well I'm sure we'll find out how well Rebecca is selling soon enough
Back on future suggestions I've pretty much nailed down a top 5 I'd like to see (based on what we currently know and what the current mandate is. Yes I'd love Stepney and BoCo too but they aren't currently possible so I'm focusing on what is.
There's 3 pretty safe bets, 2 slightly harder but I'd buy in a heartbeat and 2 NG engines. This is just my list and opinions of what I'd like and I know they aren't heald by everyone. Also this is HO and 009.
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So firstly Hiro
I think Hiro would be an incredibly popular seller for Bachmann, he's a beloved character. I honestly can't think of another tender engine (under the current mandate) who fans would love more. I personally would love a model of him running around. He'd look incredible pulling any train behind him and I think Hiro being the first CGI character in the show gives fans alot of nostalgia towards him.
Whiff
Next I've put Whiff. He'd be a great engine that appeals to most sides of the fandom, Model series character who made it to CGI and even into AEG. He's a very unique design with alot of history behind his basis. He'd be a ton of fun for people to weather up really go to town on making him look like he's been hard at work in the waste dump. The only slight thing that worries me is his glasses and how Bachmann would make those. I've never really been a fan of the molded glasses most of his merchandise but that's literally the only worry I have.
Porter
I've got Porter as my third pick. I was tempted to throw Timothy in here but I think his open cab would probably cause an issue. Honestly he and Porter were neck and neck but Porter just won out. I really love Porter's design I think he'd be a great engine to introduce as he'd have a big appeal to the US market being an American engine like Beau, Connor and Caitlin so from a selling point I think he'd be a good tank engine to introduce and he'd probably do really well especially on the back of Salty's reintroduction. He's definitely an engine I'd love a HO model of.
Stephen
I've spoken about Stephen in detail before. He's one of my favourite CGI characters and he's definitely the one I'd pick hands down if Bachmann said to me "who should we make next" I've put Stephen further down however as I know he would be more difficult then the previous 3. However I think there are more then enough selling points for him so if made I think he'd sell incredibly well. He'd look amazing pulling the Blue Open coach with some figures inside. His basis is iconic and I genuinely see Stephen as the engine where younger fans start to learn about steam engines and encourages them to look up the history or maybe their parents or grandparents start to pass on their knowledge.
Harvey
Lastly in the HO section I've gone for Harvey. Now this is my list and my own opinion, I know there's alot of demand for him and Diesel 10. Me personally I honestly wouldn't buy Diesel 10, he's one of a select few engines I'd pass on every time. However I would buy Harvey in a heartbeat. He's a classic series character that I loved way back in 2002 when he, Salty and Elizabeth were introduced (along with the pack) and I still love him now. I was over the moon in series 17 when he randomly popped up. He'd be expensive to make but man he'd be a great engine to add to the range.
Luke/Millie
For NG I'm very torn on both Luke and Millie, I'd be happy with either or both in any order. If Stephen was ever made Millie would be the perfect companion. I love her design and basis. You could even have a Figure of Sir Robert too. Luke I think would be great to round out the blue mountain mystery crew off. He'd look amazing pulling the high sided wagons. In a perfect world Bachmann would make an animal pack with a Deer you could place in Luke's cab
That's my top 5. I'm not suggesting they all get made or all get made in 2025. Its just my own personal list of engines and I'd love to see other people's lists.
A really solid list only thought I have that I haven't shared before is Porter maybe being held back by Salty. I don't think Salty will be cancelled, to be clear, but he is on hold. So they may want to wait until closer to him being done before pursuing him and who knows when that'd be. I think he's still a solid shout though, your list isn't necessary "these need to happen right away" just that they all have factors going for them, and I definitely agree on that front.
I also definitely agree on the Harvey front. As cool as D10 would be if they're going to take a risk with a character like that, I'd rather it be one I'd get more use out of and have more personal interest in. Harvey all the way.
I would make my own top 5 but realized it's just my signature with Charlie swapped out by Whiff. I'd also really like to see Sonny but I can't particularly give him any strong reasoning beyond me wanting him because his basis and livery is cool.
Okay...late to the party, but I concur with Chaz and Mulfred100. The wishlist is meant to be a placeholder and there're other retailers besides TrainWorld. Yes, they're popular (I have extreme loyalty to them myself, as I'm sure many others here do), but a lot of sales come from other online dealers (The Toy Crossing on eBay is one that immediately comes to my mind) as well as local hobby shops -- which where I live in Louisiana, is rare as a hen's tooth. They aren't the only game in town.
As for what I want to see (and maybe I'll be able to gather my thoughts more cohesively as these lists need 100% concentration) next January/February:
HO/OO:
Hiro - a beloved character from the CGI series. He was the first and with Rebecca sharing his wheels, they're technically ready to go. Yes, he'll be expensive, but I'm willing to bet he'll do relatively well. Would seem poetic for the 80th Anniversary
Gold/Silver Thomas - Wooden Railway and Take Along/Take N Play did this. Since we've got the main attractions from The Adventure Begins in this scale, now seems like as good of a time as any to do a fun 80th Anniversary recolor. If I have to choose one, I'd get behind gold for a reason I'm about to list below...
Silver Spencer - This would be a fun one, especially if we get Hiro. Spencer's Season 7/8 bluish gray livery looks outdated. He's one of the only models I don't have because I don't feel he's worth it. If they recolored him and essentially did an inverse of what's on him -- the blue gray for the handrails and silver for the body, I may finally consider picking him up. Reissuing him alongside a Hiro announcement, I can say no more.
'Arry and Bert reissue - Demand is surging for them. If it isn't time for Hiro, then it'd at least be something to get collectors who don't already have them excited about rather than a recolor of something that already exists.
Narrow Gauge:
SKIP - all the attention needs to be on getting Sir Handel out there. Especially with Duncan cancelled, I feel (and please don't take this the wrong way) all hands on deck for Sir Handel!
N Scale:
Edward - the one who started it all 80 years ago. It'd be simply poetic
LBSC Thomas and Origin James - I think we're in a good enough place in N scale to do some engine recolors. What better way to do so than to celebrate the 10 year anniversary of TAB? Alongside Edward and with Henry along the way, seems like a no brainer
7 plank variants - specifically standard green coal wagon and the new red China Clay wagon that was announced in HO. I also wouldn't be angry about a blue open wagon, either.
Large Scale:
Pipe dream, but Edward and Henrietta. Rather than repeating what's been said over the last 10-11 years by various people, please see what they had to say.
Those're all my thoughts. Please take them or leave them.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on November 03, 2024, 04:12:26 PMI'd also really like to see Sonny but I can't particularly give him any strong reasoning beyond me wanting him because his basis and livery is cool.
I would also like to see Sonny as a Bachmann model.
One potential argument in favor of Sonny could be is that he was the last character made in CGI, and therefore does not have much merchandise of him. Bachmann could therefore be one of the few ranges that produces merchandise of Sonny.
Another argument in favor of Sonny is than while Sonny's basis, Bellerophon, is rather iconic with railway enthusiasts, there are not many models of it, although I think KRModels does a Bellerophon now. Bachmann Sonny could be used as a less expensive model for non-Thomas Modelers who want to convert a Bachmann Sonny into a either a Bellerophon or another Haydock Foundry well-tank engine.
Not exactly the strongest arguments in favor of Sonny, but I wanted to at least put them on the table.
Quote from: Armada Starscream on November 03, 2024, 06:15:57 PMQuote from: DustyMarie53! on November 03, 2024, 04:12:26 PMI'd also really like to see Sonny but I can't particularly give him any strong reasoning beyond me wanting him because his basis and livery is cool.
I would also like to see Sonny as a Bachmann model.
One potential argument in favor of Sonny could be is that he was the last character made in CGI, and therefore does not have much merchandise of him. Bachmann could therefore be one of the few ranges that produces merchandise of Sonny.
Another argument in favor of Sonny is than while Sonny's basis, Bellerophon, is rather iconic with railway enthusiasts, there are not many models of it, although I think KRModels does a Bellerophon now. Bachmann Sonny could be used as a less expensive model for non-Thomas Modelers who want to Convert a Bachmann Sonny into a either a Bellerophon or another Haydock Foundry well-tank engines.
Not exactly the strongest arguments in favor of Sonny, but I wanted to at least put them on the table.
KRModels are making one but it's status updates are few and far between, and as you said cheaper alternative. Same as say, Heljan's class 28 not necessarily effecting BoCo's chances ignoring the mandate in the room.
I do think Sonny's biggest knock would be expense with his gearing, it would be costly and the demand simply isn't there for him yet. Maybe in a few years when the remaining heavy hitters are out of the way.
If we get a Hiro we could also get a Patchwork repaint that could be cool as well. I'd also like to throw Victor in the mix as well, like I said with Hiro if he gets made we could also get a Yellow Victor if they make him as well.
OK going by popularity of suggestions that have seen on this thread the top contenders have to be
Whiff , Hiro , Nia , Harvey , Diesel 10
Which could honestly just be the characters they could do for the rest of the decade . All of which are very popular. And are key characters in a most Thomas merchandise ranges.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on November 03, 2024, 10:36:07 PMOK going by popularity of suggestions that have seen on this thread the top contenders have to be
Whiff , Hiro , Nia , Harvey , Diesel 10
Which could honestly just be the characters they could do for the rest of the decade . All of which are very popular. And are key characters in a most Thomas merchandise ranges.
I haven't seen anyone talk about Nia for awhile ngl I don't think there is that much demand for her unlike Rebecca who's genuinely looks like one of Bachmann's best models can't wait for her.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on November 01, 2024, 09:35:16 PMIf Bachmann really wants to make the most of engine tooling repaints, I feel like they should at least try to pitch Norman and Dennis to Mattel before continuing to scrape the barrel for Big World Big Adventures era characters.
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Dennis is a model era character, true, but he does have the distinction of being noted several times as a sibling of Norman in Norman's bios and merchandise. To me personally, it makes him "somewhat" of an honorary CGI character, compared to BoCo or Stepney, whom of which were never mentioned in the CGI era in any regard. I really get the impression that had BWBA not jumped in, we could've seen Dennis surface in the CGI era with Norman.
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Topping that off, Norman has had a few speaking roles throughout the CGI era, and is often marketed with Paxton and Sidney as a trio (probably because they're each red, green, and blue), so he has a notable presence in CGI. Bachmann has made Paxton, and is now making Sidney, so why not round off the trio? To me, Norman and Dennis is a win-win for Bachmann and its consumers; niche and quirky, but bold and unique additions to the range.
I can see Norman being made, especially if they decide to reuse Rebecca's wheels AND seeing that they're cousins to each other being built from the same designer Bulleid..., more or less.
Hopefully, for my picks of 00 scale: I hope at least Hiro, Stephen (probably w/o moving eyes), or Whiff can be considered for the range, but certainly Whiff would be more likely since he's a tank engine, thus cheaper to make.
For 009 scale: as long as either Luke, Victor, or Millie can be considered, I'm content since they have potential to be amazing models since of their pairings with other potential characters introduced from their respective specials that also can be considered too (Stephen plus the blue open carriage w/ Millie for example).
Quote from: Luke22 on November 04, 2024, 01:11:23 AMI can see Norman being made, especially if they decide to reuse Rebecca's wheels AND seeing that they're cousins to each other being built from the same designer Bulleid..., more or less.
Not exactly, as Rebecca's wheels were reused from Hiro and are larger, and Norman's are definitionally Bulleid wheels and I think smaller.
Quote from: harrison05 on November 03, 2024, 11:34:06 PMQuote from: Awesometrain77 on November 03, 2024, 10:36:07 PMOK going by popularity of suggestions that have seen on this thread the top contenders have to be
Whiff , Hiro , Nia , Harvey , Diesel 10
Which could honestly just be the characters they could do for the rest of the decade . All of which are very popular. And are key characters in a most Thomas merchandise ranges.
I haven't seen anyone talk about Nia for awhile ngl I don't think there is that much demand for her unlike Rebecca who's genuinely looks like one of Bachmann's best models can't wait for her.
On here definitely hasn't been as much discussion about her, simply because I've made all the points I can for her. No real reason to repeat it much. But there's demand from the wider fandom including some who have emailed Bachmann's request line directly, as well as on their facebook and twitters. There's also just the fact she has shot up to be part of the main marketing trio, which has continued into AEG. She's a core part of the brand now so the line will always feel incomplete until she's added, I'll also argue Whiff falls into this category as well to a lesser degree, but his longevity definitely counts for something. With that said. She is a complex design. If Doug simply says "hey we looked into it, deemed too expensive for our main audience" like D10 and Harvey in a future stream, then fair. But I will continue to argue in favor of her until then because I personally think she's a key character and one the line could use. I will say if decisions were simply based on forum popularity, I doubt we would have Rebecca coming out now. So I do think it is important to consider that this forum is not inherently representative of the whole market and there are other avenues of requests and even outside factors of brand marketing to consider.
Quote from: JacobSK on November 03, 2024, 05:46:42 PMNarrow Gauge:
SKIP - all the attention needs to be on getting Sir Handel out there. Especially with Duncan cancelled, I feel (and please don't take this the wrong way) all hands on deck for Sir Handel!
I agree completely here. Whilst it would be nice to see Luke or Victor or someone else, I feel like making another NG engine so soon is not the right path. I'd much rather see Sir Handel be completed first hand. Afterwards, I think taking Duncan back to the drawing board would be better, but not immediately. This break in new NG engines could also allow the designers to focus on the other lines, such as G scale.
From my perspective on Nia I feel more like she's inevitably going to be made. I feel like she's probably the one character that Mattel will be saying to Bachmann "you need to make this engine." So I don't feel the need to mention her and I push for engines who are brushed aside, like Stephen, Porter, Harvey and Whiff and even maybe Hiro to a degree. As you said Nia is a core part of the marketing so why wouldn't she be made. We all have a voice that's of equal value to the conversation and there's not really any part of the fandom or market that is fully represented anywhere. Every announcement has that ability to annoy someone. It's about being respectful and using your voice without necessarily making others feel like their opinions don't matter. This fourm is a free public place where anyone can join and share ideas, it's not some gatekept part of the Internet. Every suggestion I make I try to look at the boarder appeal, costs, what's already available for marketing and what will get people saying "well x character is out and I could put new character with x character on this part on my layout, pulling these trucks" I have my bias and I'll always say when I do. As I say we all have a voice and it's valuable. Weather it's on here, on Facebook, x, emails, comments on a video or live stream. It all matters and for me, we are all equal and just because someone says I want this engine on here doesn't make them any less important then someone saying it on x, or Facebook. But that's just me and how I see the world I guess
Okay I get that tbh so no need to mention her here .
Anyway after a recent live stream there is a possiblity buildings can return to the range however there are no plans to.
Winston is someone who I feel is long overdue as we have him in large scale yet no HO Winston .
I am pushing for streamlined Thomas but considering no one else has even suggested him I doubt he will happen .
Trevor is some one I really think should happen next year .
For a varient of Thomas I do think rather then a golden Thomas a pink Thomas would be nice . I think we have a lot of James variants and pink James with the undercoat is not realistic due to the lining so I think we should just get pink Thomas .
I do like the idea of Winston. He is rather unique and a cool character, though if he was added, it would mean he'd no longer be exclusive to Large Scale, like how Hannah is exclusive to N scale. Streamlined Thomas is also interesting, and I could see it as a sort of exclusive or limited run item, maybe being an opportunity to introduce a new face for Thomas. I am surprised we haven't got Trevor yet, he is one of the most popular road characters next to Bertie and Terrence, and would make a great companion piece for Edward. As for Thomas variants, I think I would prefer gold Thomas. Pink Thomas would certainly be interesting, but I don't think people would really buy it. It differs from LBSC Thomas or other Thomas variants since it's rather obscure and not seen a whole lot. However, nice suggestions overall, Awesometrain77.
Perhaps a controversial opinion, but I think Bachmann should be lenient on announcements in the spring. Yes, it's the anniversary, but the backlog is still pretty great. I would rather them make more headway than them announce even more products for scales that have tons unreleased. I don't particularly want to see anything beyond rolling stock within the main 3 scales, recolored engines probably aren't a good call either. I'd much rather them focus on what's already announced, get that done, then in the fall catalog announce more to coincide with the anniversary. I think this will be the best outcome. We have currently six engines in active development in the HO line, even though Stanley is almost on the horizon he is not done yet. N scale likely has 3 in active development. Narrow gauge only has Sir Handel, but has a bunch of rolling stock. like Stanley some is on the horizon but is still being finalized. This isn't even mentioning the plethora of non-engines in both HO and N. I don't think adding much more right now would be smart, unless something substantial changes between now and then. I believe the catalog drops in March this year based on when the toy fair it usually coincides with is so there definitely time for things to change.
With that said. if they were to lean in on any scale. It should be G. It is the only one that only has a single product in the pipeline, which may release even before the next catalog drops. My personal votes would be Mavis and Henrietta. Something simple so they don't have to extend too many resources, while also giving some more life into that scale with two popular characters.
Well usually the winter announcements have mostly been recolours ever since 2019. Maybe the odd new tooling or something but usually we seem to get that in the NMRA announcements in the summer, Daisy, Rebecca, Beau, Stanley have all been summer announcements, Ryan may have been too I can't remember. As for what we have in the pipeline Stanley is fully painted, the two class 08 Diesels already have their tooling so I'm assuming they'll release in 2025. Bulgy and the rolling stick which all the rolling stock in HO has the tooling available. There's only really Bulgy that requires new tooling.
In N scale we have the 2 class 08s and Henry, Henrietta and Hannah have their painted samples and are ready to be packaged and shipped, the express coaches and Break-van need their tooling made
009 Sir Handel needs to be painted, the Gondola and D-fusit wagons need their tooling.
We have a big shipment coming in of alot of new products, 12 ton vans, Rebecca, n scale Gordon and Emily ect.
I agree the winter announcements probably won't be anything mind blowing maybe a big announcement along with recolours.
Lastly I don't think the catalogues timing will be effected by when the toy show is. There was no Toy show in 2024 and we got the catalogue in February and we still got the catalogue in February, so i don't think Bachmann are held up on what the Toy Fair is doing. I wouldn't worry too much. We'll get it when we get it with whatever announcements are inside. But as I say recent history shows that the announcements people get excited about are usually now the NMRA
I'm not too worried about when the catalog is for the record, I'm just throwing the disclaimer in here now so that if it doesn't release in Febuary people aren't freaking out for weeks.
Ryan has been the only major new tool announced in the Spring catalog since 2016 for HO I believe. I personally have a theory he was meant for NMRA 2020 but switched places with Origins James due to the elephant in the room of that year. I don't particularly have strong evidence for it other than the patterns of the other NMRA announcements, although of not NMRA Thomas announcements were not a thing until 2019. The 08's were just kind of used as filler in 2017 and 2018 because they had a lot on their plate. Feels like we're seeing something similar with this NMRA announcement now. They even announced a flatbed and tanker alongside them again. N scale and narrow gauge used to have engine announcements in the Spring and sometimes with N also the Fall. But even then that seems to have shifted. I do think assuming the spring catalogs will be lighter from here on out is a pretty safe assumption, one I've personally had myself. The only reason I'm cautious is that next year is the anniversary, I feel like it could be an exception again, I just don't want it to be. I think next year will be a lot stronger if they hold off on big announcements until July so they can make even more headway on the pipeline. I'm obviously not going to complain if we get a lot of news in Spring, but I feel like sticking to the current announcement pattern is a much smarter play.
Also small correction they also need a new tool in HO for the Open Carriage, that's been on the backburner for a while now so hope we get an update soon. There's also the new china clay load which shouldn't be too drastic to develop. Even the recolors do seem to have substantial development time put into them, such as the new vans getting unpainted samples even though they were an existing tooling. Most of the HO stuff is easier but would still be smarter to probably make more headway on it before announcing any more imo
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on November 08, 2024, 10:57:41 AMNever once did I say I was responding to anyone else, simply sharing my own thoughts. Don't particularly see what bringing up something from months ago I already owned up to accomplishes here. Nor was I the only one vocally upset at the time, in fact I was specifically one of the people saying to be patient and it will release when it does both on and off the forum. I got upset with lack of clear communication one time at the tail end, more then I should have and apologized for that, then what was going on was swiftly elaborated on, and that was that. Why are you being so rude over someone simply sharing their own thoughts? That's what this forum should be for, no?
And if I've ever come of that way recently, I'd also like to apologize to everyone here, sometimes I can be overtly blunt or statistical and if that's been a problem recently, I'd like to own up to it now as well. I'm also autistic so sometimes what I mean to say as I think it doesn't come across as well over text. So once again. I'm sorry if I myself have ever seemed confrontational as of late or too rude. I am trying very hard to not come off that way because at the end of the day. This is a franchise and line we all care about. Being rude to the fellow fans doesn't get me anywhere
Well firstly I'm not being rude I'm simply stating its not even 2025 yet. As I said there's 16 weeks till the train show which alot can happen in that time in way of where products are, how close they are to releasing and so on. And I'll be honest you do come across blunt and confrontational every time I reply to you. Like the other day that whole high horse act with Nia which simply could have been "well she's a core character to the show. I for one would like to see her" and leave it at that. It turns into a big mission statement of you vs the entire fourm which isn't the case at all. We all have our favourites who we want to see in the range and we all share an equally valuable opinion.
And I am sorry if this is harsh and I truly don't mean it to be but think about the world outside and what's currently happening. I know this is meant to be an escape but honestly arguing over catalogues or what will release when is very silly in the grand scheme of it all. Don't try to think too far ahead. We all know the patterns by now and as I say no one is currently saying "well I want this and this and this announced in the 2025 catalogue and this and this in the NMRA"
Quote from: Mulfred100 on November 08, 2024, 11:23:49 AMWell firstly I'm not being rude I'm simply stating its not even 2025 yet. As I said there's 16 weeks till the train show which alot can happen in that time in way of where products are, how close they are to releasing and so on. And I'll be honest you do come across blunt and confrontational every time I reply to you. Like the other day that whole high horse act with Nia which simply could have been "well she's a core character to the show. I for one would like to see her" and leave it at that. It turns into a big mission statement of you vs the entire fourm which isn't the case at all. We all have our favourites who we want to see in the range and we all share an equally valuable opinion.
And I am sorry if this is harsh and I truly don't mean it to be but think about the world outside and what's currently happening. I know this is meant to be an escape but honestly arguing over catalogues or what will release when is very silly in the grand scheme of it all. Don't try to think too far ahead. We all know the patterns by now and as I say no one is currently saying "well I want this and this and this announced in the 2025 catalogue and this and this in the NMRA"
You're right. I need to take a step back. Just took a drive and am a lot calmer now then this morning. Part of my bluntness especially recently is feeling the need to argue and talk on here because I have a lot on my plate I won't delve into here. I'm trying to think super far ahead because when I get stressed that's what I do. And I'll still probably do that just in a notes app instead of here. I wasn't trying to come off as to tell people stop requesting things, but it came off that way I'm realizing on reflection. Even then I have been dismissive of others' ideas before, what did me saying Porter isn't likely to be soon add when you also said that in your original post for example, I was just talking to talk at that point and clogging the board up.
In regard to Nia specifically. I do have a very much "me vs the world" mentality with her because, I've been on here since 2019 and back then even the prospect of suggesting her and Rebecca was shut down aggressively. But it's not like that anymore, and Mulfred your message highlighted that for me really well, regarding Nia I mean. I think that was a really good point about giving attention to less important characters given she is a very likely candidate for a new model and was well phrased. I'll try to not be us vs them with her in future simply because it's not like that anymore. Thank you for pointing that out, I will work on it.
I'm probably going to log out for the time being, and only get active when there's big news like a Thomas tuesday comment regarding characters, or new reveal like the UK stuff. I realize I've been using this more of a crutch then actually being helpful with commentary at present. And at this point, even if unintentional, resulting in negativity and I'd rather that not be my impact on here, and your honesty got that through, so once again I do appreciate it. I did need to hear it. Take care
How would you feel about having the N Scale Gordon just pulling freight cars rather than the express coaches?
How about a more positive subject to talk about:
I wanted to do an N scale post later in the year, or at least after the catalog announcements but after seeing the recent UK announcements I felt inspired to do a new N scale post. And just for fun in honor of the 40th anniversary of the television series, I'll be using model era photos. For the record I know they will use CGI references for these, but again these are just for fun.
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For engines, I'd say Edward is just about a "given". Whether that happens next winter during the catalog release or next summer at the NMRA, there is so much going for Edward next year. He feels like a very natural addition to the N scale range after Henry and completing the original Steam team. He's been a top seller in HO for a long time now and has no signs of slowing down despite not being a main character. He's the one character everyone mutually agrees should be next as the next newly tooled engine in N scale. Many will jump on this one like Gordon, Henry and Emily, myself included.
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Duck meanwhile is a very natural addition I would throw in after Edward. Once Bachmann gets the rest the rest of the tender engines announced, including Edward, I think taking a break from tender engines and even diesel engines would be a good call. Duck has a very simple design to work with, has a very wide appeal with both older and younger audiences and he continues to be a popular seller in HO over a decade later. His addition to the UK lineup feels warranted and like Edward, I think Duck makes the most sense to be picked after Edward.
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And finally, since her recent introduction in the Bachmann Europe range, I think Daisy is a pretty safe bet to happen at some point too. I don't think she shares the same level of odds as Edward, Duck and some of the other characters others have mentioned. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Daisy would actually make perfect sense to join the range at some point in the future. Despite her being released a few years ago, Bachmann UK doesn't add engine additions often and are very careful when making additions to their lineup. The fact that Daisy has been added alongside Duck and even before Diesel and Emily is really saying something about her popularity.
For rolling stock, my thoughts haven't changed so I'll just go over them briefly without pics:
BR 20 ton brake van/spiteful brake van: Popular in HO and large scale, still shocked it hasn't happened in N yet but will keep advocating for it until they happen. I also don't mind if they use the Farish tooling or if they go for a new tooling like in large scale.
Coal wagon w/ load, China Clay wagon and cocoa powder wagon: I'm genuinely amazed we haven't gotten more wagon repaints. As I've said before the original coal wagon with load is a fan favorite with many here and people have been wanting the red and blue wagons as well, and giving them loads I think would be a good way to introduce them. Please do not do wagons with decals like the Sodor Coal Co. car or mining wagon in N scale first. Many fans prefer the liveries used on the show and frankly have a much wider appeal all around.
Milk and tar tanker: I'm not wild about the Farish tanker tooling, but if we get any repaints of those I think introducing milk and tar makes the most sense when it comes down to it.
Red coaches: I think these are the most likely addition to be next, but despite that I'm placing these pretty low since we've had plenty of coach announcements recently and I would rather they focus more on BR brake vans and freight stock.
Honorable mentions go to Bertie, Harold and Terence for accessories to join the line at some point. They have yet to add non-rail characters in N, but I suspect they'll start with Bertie and Harold first before moving onto Terence. Cranky also seems like a likely choice along with the inevitable N scale Tidmouth sheds announcement.
Look, I'm gonna be honest they don't have a big backlog . Look all they have is some rolling stock toolings and some repaints for HO
N scale has Henry the express coaches which are in the works by the way and class 08s . We do also have bulgy. Which I forgot, but not too much.
However, before any of this, I would really like to see salty have his tool updated so he can actually be released.
I do like Chaz's ideas however we already have a ton of coaches in N scale
If you had Thomas pull Annie and clarabel
Gordon pull his express coaches
Emily pull her coaches
Toby pull Henrietta
James pull Hannah
That leaves Percy as the only engines on your layout that can pull freight . Until henry and the 08s come out .
So I definitely agree that we do not need the red coaches for a while.
I do think that 2025 would be a perfect year to introduce 7 plank wagons and some more breakvans to line up
Bradford despiteful break van and a normal BR 20 ton van are perfect
Could Charlie happen in the next few years? A 0-6-0 and a bright purple character that stands out.
Quote from: Chaz on November 08, 2024, 07:31:09 PMHonorable mentions go to Bertie, Harold and Terence for accessories to join the line at some point. They have yet to add non-rail characters in N, but I suspect they'll start with Bertie and Harold first before moving onto Terence. Cranky also seems like a likely choice along with the inevitable N scale Tidmouth sheds announcement.
I second this. The N Scale line needs non-rail vehicles. Bulgy could also be viable eventually by essentially scaling down his digital tooling with some adjustments. The N Scale range has been becoming more appealing to me (having limited space, high quality mechanisms, and cohesive designs based all on ONE era) and I hope to see it expand more and more.
I fully agree Chaz, Edward probably next then Duck and Daisy. I think both their chances have had a great boost with the announcements from Bachmann Europe.
I'm shocked there hasn't been more rolling stock repaints of the 7 plank, tankers and 12 ton vans in N. If I had to guess I'd say the Red open wagon, tar and milk tankers and maybe Mr Jolly's chocolate van will be next recolour wise, maybe Bradford too since hes a character with a face.
For new tooling I'd echo the Red Coaches and say maybe a cattle wagon (which they can later make an N scale TT3 if they so wished) or possibly the Mail car
And I fully agree a N scale Harold and Bertie would be amazing.
Last since it's fast approaching it would be nice to have an N scale Christmas set.
With the Talyllyn variants arriving in stock, soon will be the time for Bachmann to announce Dolgoch, using Rheneas' tooling.
If not the 2025 catalog, then the NMRA for sure should announce N Scale Edward. We desperately need more N Scale rolling stock announcements, like non-troublesome 7-plank wagons, as well as Milk and Tar Tankers, a gray logoless van, and a BR Brake Van, which can also be used for the Spiteful Brake Van. The LMS Brake Van we're getting would be the tooling for Bradford.
Upon watching @Terencethetractor525 (Christian's) stream he brought up some great points regarding the resin buildings and it actually gave me an idea oh how in the future Bachmann could potentially save themselves money while producing the buildings. This mostly involves the stations. If Bachmann made a generic platform pack and sold it separately then Bachmann would benefit quite a bit I think. Similar to how Bachmann Scenecraft and Skaledale do their platforms and was previously done by Hornby in there Thomas line to a degree.
In having a platform pack that's universal this gives Bachmann the free reign to produce different buildings into the range and not having as high a price point for the individual station with platform as they just need to make the building itself. Plus this gives customers the chance also have a platform consistency for their entire layout for either adapting their own buildings or for future releases in the range.
For example if Bachmann made a platform say between 50-55cm long which is split into two sections and sold it separately. Then they did a station building say Ffarquhar. Having the platform separately makes it easier to make and cheaper to buy. Then the next year they could do Wellsworth or Dryaw or what because they already have that universal platform on the market so whatever they made station building wise there's that platform ready. Plus it'll have an added benefit of people not only buying multiple units of the same product but it'll give modellers that ability to model however they want. If you want a two platform station you, if you want a bay platform you can, if you want to make a model series Ffarquhar you can, of you prefer the CGI version you can. Honestly having that platform sold separately allows the modeller to go wild with their layout and gives them that flexibility. The only drawback I had with Maithwaite was there wasn't a matching platform I could easily use to create the season 6 onwards version of the set with two platforms at each side, and like I say it helps keep costs down for Bachmann and gives them the opportunity to make whatever building they want. They could even introduce platform extension pack with a smaller piece without ramps to make a longer platform. It's just an idea I had it's probably not very good but I figured I'd try to get the idea out there. Christian made some great points about the retaining walls too so give his stream a watch if you can or haven't already.
100 percent agree also we are on page 50 wow . But a platform would give a good place for figures to stand on . I would also like to see retaining walls . And a station sign pack containing all the signs for the stations .
Releasing a platform pack is a great idea. Maybe the platforms could use the same tooling as the ones that came with the Knapford Station kit, but retool it so that they won't have the poles for the pillars.
I think that the motive for Maithwaite not having a separate platform is because it was just based upon the Season 5 model.
Okay so we are prob gonna see some varients in 2025 here is a list of varients I could see happening
Pink Thomas
Gold Thomas
Streamlined Thomas
Bare metal Thomas
Turbo Thomas
Pink James
Percy's chcolate crunch
Green salty
Blue Bill
Blue Ben
Emily with 12
Silver Spencer
Scrap Oliver
Which ones would you like to see
I have some thoughts from Christian's stream that I wanted to share here regarding two product suggestions.
Firstly, I was the one who mentioned Norman in the stream chat, and he actually said something interesting I had never considered. When I was considering Norman, I was always considering the fact he could be reused for Dennis. However, Christian made the point people may but two Norman's to make Dennis out of the gate. Something I'd never really thought of before, and it's true. That could easily boost his sales. I was already pretty big on Norman being sooner rather than later, but that just gave me more justification for him.
On to the resin buildings. On New Model Monday they actually discussed the resin buildings potentially coming back. Their response was very much "Not in the cards right now, but we wouldn't be opposed to it and may look into it." I loved Christian's suggestions regarding the resin line. I think bringing the signal box back is a must. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the signal box was the first one removed from the catalog, which at least to me suggests it sold out from the final resin batch first. (Typically it would mean the opposite, but IIRC the resin line had stopped production all together and remaining items in the catalog were left over stock). It's definitely very popular. Maithwaite is also a good choice, however, I much prefer the method Mulfred suggested for selling the stations. That's how Hornby used to do it and I think it would boost sales across the line. Say if Ffarquhar got announced, selling the platform separate from the main building would allow consumers to buy the second platform that is seen in the CGI Series. Let people build it how they want it rather than only offering it as the building and a single platform. The retaining wall Christian mentioned is also a very smart pick.
I have a bit of an out their suggestion for the resin line that's been in my brain since that livestream, and once again will be curious on everyone's thoughts once again. I don't think it should necessarily be in the immediate relaunch; I think the ones Christian suggested are the perfect candidates, but I still wanted to throw it a bone.
Toby's Shed
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Now, a pretty iconic location in its own right. It's where one of the most popular characters lives, and has been in the series for many years. However. I wanted to suggest a wider appeal reason in favor of it.
In CGI they actually made the same asset for Toby's shed twice. There were some differences, but they are miniscule. This is actually the same way for the Iron Twins and Diesel if anyone was curious, they are actually completely different remade assets, not modified from Diesel. (Paxton and Sidney may be the same way but I'm not as sure on that front)
The second Toby's shed is used at McColl's farm .
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Now, some differences for it exist as shown in this image. But you could still plop Toby's shed as is down on a layout and still use it as this farm shed. If they wanted to go for complete accuracy customer could mod it themselves, or Bachmann could include accessories but that may be a harder sell. In the model series these buildings are the exact same however, so it'd really come down to the preference of the modeler. The building is also reused for a few other things in the model series, Elizabeth's shed comes to immediate mind. There may be other examples as well I'm forgetting. My ultimate point is this shed could have multiple uses. And therefore, could have wider appeal. Fans may either buy multiples to plop permanently on layouts, or even if they buy only one it could be used for a variety of set building purposes. I think it would prove a popular destination, especially if they specifically marketed it as Toby's shed because that association may help it even further.
Haven't been able to catch up on the stream yet but I'm very surprised Toby's Shed hasn't emerged in the range yet. I could easily see it passing for a plastic building too, since resin is off the table. It's dual use, combined with the Farmer McColl figures coming out makes it seem like a very good future building choice.
Yeah once they do a platform they open up so much more possibilities with what they could do and what us modellers could make.
Toby's shed and the barn are both great ideas too.
Another possibility would be to introduce a small wooden platform like this. https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/wooden-platforms-%28x2%29/42-0010 (https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/wooden-platforms-(x2)/42-0010)
Bachmann scenecraft used to make this in OO along with the ramps so it wouldn't be hard to obtain the tooling for it. Then you could have a little hault to put Farmer McColl or Trotter on with their sheep or pigs, ready to be taken to market.
In fact with Toby's shed, the barn, a little wooden platform and the ability to get the corrugated hut that was in the range you'd have a pretty decent farm set up.
I do like the idea of Toby's shed/barn. I do think that ffaquhar is a great station to make given how it appears in the classic intro from season 1-7 and is used for the outro credits from seasons 19-21 . Not to mention ffaquar is the area of Sodor the rev.w.Awrdy modeled . Ffarquhar could be reused for the Wellworth station .On the topic of that since we have both of the Harwick engines why not reuse mathwaitte for harwick.
I do think if they do buildings again they need to have a large appeal appearing
retaining walls , sir tophamhatt office / MC bunn , intro bridge , Henry's tunnel portal , knapford church , crovens gate , watermill ,double engine shed ,Neptune refreshments ,and Mrs.Kinley cottage could really be cool to have.
For the kinley cottage they will only use that as the name and it just will be some background cottage that they actually have references for but painted in the colors of Mrs.Kinley cottage.
With a LOT of new releases coming up very shortly, including some between late December and early 2025, much of the backlog is already going to be cleared up. Maybe we will get some good announcements in the 2025 catalog.
The next newly-tooled engine for HO Scale will most likely be Whiff. Gold Thomas can be the special 80th Anniversary HO Scale repaint, along with a possible Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel, which could most likely be saved for the NMRA. The N Scale 80th Anniversary repaints can be LBSC Thomas and Origin James. With N Scale Diesel/Paxton and Henry not even having samples shown yet, it may be too early to announce Edward, but the NMRA for sure should announce N Scale Edward. Bachmann needs to announce Edward at some point in the near future in order to complete the original Steam Team in N Scale. They can then move onto making Duck, Oliver, Donald, Douglas, or even Daisy in N Scale.
If Flying Scotsman ever does get made in HO Scale, they may have to make his second tender sold separately. He would 100% be a new tooling since Gordon's chassis is disproportionate in HO Scale. Though he could easily recycle Gordon's chassis in N Scale. Same for Spencer if he was to get made in N Scale at some point. For the next tender engine in HO Scale, everyone wants Hiro. It may be a while before he gets announced, depending on how well Rebecca sells.
To make up for Duncan's cancellation, Bachmann should announce Luke for the HOn30 Scale range. It's possible for the 2025 catalog. Hopefully for the January stream at the earliest, we'll then be shown Sir Handel's painted sample, with his image being in the catalog. Not a Thomas product, but since Talyllyn is finally in stock, Bachmann should soon announce Dolgoch, using Rheneas' tooling.
So for N scale if they do have to announce Edward at the NMRA that is fine but he should he announced the 80th anniversary year .
So as for rolling stock . I am pretty sure Bachmann is gonna announce some branchline coaches but I don't think we need them yet and they will require a new tool which is something I don't think n scale needs right now aside from Edward . Also, we have a ton of coaches I do think that red Express coaches could be a better option in terms of new coaches
Since they have a backlog in N scale apart from Edward I don't see anyone new coming for a few years .
In the meantime there are many repaints mainly of Thomas and James but also of Emily and Henry
And not to mention class 08s and a suggestion that I really like flying Scottsman
So as for rolling stock I also think we need to focus on existing tooling for catch up reasons . The 7 plank wagon is super simple as that tool already exists not just in the UK but in the Thomas line now for the first announcement of 7 plank wagons they could announce the ones without the loads due to the backlog rn so they don't have to tool up coal loads .
Also Bradford could be done easy since the LMS brakevan is in the range and why not add the spikeful brakevan to have all of the sentient brakevans in the line.
Maybe a pipe dream, but I'd love to see Bachmann announce Edward in both N and G scale next year.
I don't collect G scale due to space, aside from a Bachmann Thomas and 1994 Lionel James, but would preorder an Edward immediately.
Maybe a wild suggestion, but after N scale Edward, I think Oliver should be next. Having both Scruffy and Toad in the range is like having Henrietta without Toby or Annie and Clarabel without Thomas.
Also, I love the Talyllyn I just got (maybe we can get a 2024 blue livery too). Please plan on doing Dolgoch, Edward Thomas, etc. I'd also like to see the Talyllyn's bogie coaches too!
Quote from: SNER on November 21, 2024, 03:45:23 PMMaybe a pipe dream, but I'd love to see Bachmann announce Edward in both N and G scale next year.
I don't collect G scale due to space, aside from a Bachmann Thomas and 1994 Lionel James, but would preorder an Edward immediately.
Maybe a wild suggestion, but after N scale Edward, I think Oliver should be next. Having both Scruffy and Toad in the range is like having Henrietta without Toby or Annie and Clarabel without Thomas.
Also, I love the Talyllyn I just got (maybe we can get a 2024 blue livery too). Please plan on doing Dolgoch, Edward Thomas, etc. I'd also like to see the Talyllyn's bogie coaches too!
I second of this Oliver should happen next however I do not see him next over characters like duck or Rosie who are way more popular than him.
But Oliver is popular and he would sell. They are bound to do him eventually, and I think it is about time that they do him, considering that his brake van and his rival are in the range. He could possibly reuse a lot of parts from Edward once they do him so I would love to see Oliver after they finishthe steam team
Any one take a 2-6-6-2 Mallett apart / remove shell. The exploded loco diagram doesn't help much.
I'm going to add few details on the shell to make it look like MM3 Verde Tunnel Smelter / SP 3031. Just found a tender and converted to oil burner. Toughest part to modify are the 2 sand domes. MM3 has smaller type and slightly taller. Have to cut off/ grind then prep for PSC brass domes.
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on November 21, 2024, 09:02:34 PMQuote from: SNER on November 21, 2024, 03:45:23 PMMaybe a pipe dream, but I'd love to see Bachmann announce Edward in both N and G scale next year.
I don't collect G scale due to space, aside from a Bachmann Thomas and 1994 Lionel James, but would preorder an Edward immediately.
Maybe a wild suggestion, but after N scale Edward, I think Oliver should be next. Having both Scruffy and Toad in the range is like having Henrietta without Toby or Annie and Clarabel without Thomas.
Also, I love the Talyllyn I just got (maybe we can get a 2024 blue livery too). Please plan on doing Dolgoch, Edward Thomas, etc. I'd also like to see the Talyllyn's bogie coaches too!
I second of this Oliver should happen next however I do not see him next over characters like duck or Rosie who are way more popular than him.
But Oliver is popular and he would sell. They are bound to do him eventually, and I think it is about time that they do him, considering that his brake van and his rival are in the range. He could possibly reuse a lot of parts from Edward once they do him so I would love to see Oliver after they finishthe steam team
Not sure about Rosie, but I think both Edward and Duck are a lot more likely to happen before Oliver, but I think Oliver is going to remain very firmly as one of the more popular requests because of Toad's inclusion. I say give it a few years from now and I'm sure Oliver will receive his introduction in N scale soon. And I don't think it's a matter of "if", based on how things have been going with the N scale line as of late.
A line that is a matter of if is the large scale line now there are some popular characters they have yet to make in the line that could warrant a tooling .
Edward is a main character thus is well known and could happen
Rosie is a female engine that could sell pretty well
Finally is Duck who is super popular with fans
As for rolling stock
12 ton circus vans and the Christmas reef van I could see being good sellers
And as someone who has seen large scale railways I do feel the blue open coach could be a very good seller
For other tankers bringing back the milk and oil tanker would be nice . And a pink 7 plank wagon that is seen all around in the CGI series .
Hannah and Henrietta could also be nice to go with Toby .
I doubt Mavis is popular enough to be in large scale honestly I feel like people just keep suggesting her because she is an Awdry character but tbh she would not sell well enough. Maybe 10 years ago you could argue she was more relevant then duck or Rosie much the show and merch forgot about her compare that to duck and roise who appeared till the very end .
So with Sir Handel's model being shown at Trainfest and seeing all that extra detailing I'm currently of the mindset Sir Hayden could be the next Talyllyn loco in that range given Sir Handel has all the extra parts already existing on his model where as, Rheneas, Peter Sam and Rusty (if midlander is ever made) all need work. In fact out of the three Rheneas is the only one I can see happening (at least in the near future) given Peter Sam's funnel will need to be remould to represent Edward Thomas more and have that variety.
So my money is firmly in Sir Hayden's corner for the next Talyllyn loco, which leads me into my idea. Now I honestly don't know where the rights to make someone like this would lie, weather it's Mattel or Talyllyn but what about a Sir Hayden variation wearing Sir Handel's name plates and face to represent either Awdry Extravagansa
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Or possibly the eye patch variation
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Now ultimately with this idea I honestly don't know where the rights would be weather it's Talyllyn or if there's something in the contract that says any merchandise produced with a named character falls under Mattel or with a likeness to a Thomas character creates a loop hole. Even as a limited run I think this would be a home run with fans and even non fans who just want something that represents Talyllyn history. I mean every fan who has attended Awdry Extravagansa will want to own one no doubt. Who wouldn't want a little representative of a weekend or a day like that, and what better representative then a 009 model of an engine that was there running around your layout. I know it's a very out there idea and probably one that riddled with legal stuff and but I thought I'd throw it out there. Just an idea.
A potential work around could be with the eyepatch face specifically. At this year's event it was worn by Sir Hayden, and from my understanding the TR has complete control over that. It's only the Thomas show characters that need official approval which is likely why it was only Sir Handel and Rusty this year while everyone else was just the TR engines. They also reuse the faces for children's days; they're just not dressed up as the Thomas characters. In theory they may be able to do multiple like that. Blue Talyllyn with the Nicholas Cage face like she wore for Awdry Ex 4, Dolgoch with the old lady like face, so on. Might be disappointing to not necessarily have the Thomas names on them, but that is a potential work around if the licensing proved troublesome. I know I'd personally buy some like that. I went to Awdry Ex 4, any of the real engines with those specific faces is a sure-fire sale from me.
In terms of the newer Sir Handel face, it was used for the Corris No. 10 so far. I've actually been thinking about her, since she's the new build and having a model for her this soon would be really cool. It would be nice if they could make a model of her as well alongside Hayden, but based on the prototype of Sir Handel looks like some of the parts that would need to be switched out are part of the diecast body. It's mainly the coal bunkers that appear to be metal and No. 10 doesn't have them in the same way. So that might be a hard sell. I'd definitely like it, but I'd understand if Bachmann would be cautious on pursuing it. Same reason I imagine they're cautious about making Midlander or Edward Thomas. I figured it was at least worth mentioning her as a possibility because I imagine she would be popular for 009 modelers
Peter Sam would need heavy mods but it's worth it as not only can they make Edward Thomas but also other tatoo class locomotives they will need more mods but there were a class of locomotives used by narrow gauge railways all over not just the UK but the world and they were not even all narrow gauge but also standard gauge .
As for a new tool TR locomotive I would really like to see Douglas as Duncan has been cancelled also if there were to a TR Thomas character Duncan could be that as Douglas and Duncan don't look alike .also Duncan had a whole event on the TR called Duncan days . But idk if this could happen but it would be super cool .
Anyway I doubt either will happen next year .
But what I do think could happen next year is a new engine for the HO range now as they are likely still waiting to see how Rebecca does Ik they can't do Diesel 10 or Hiro . Nia is the character who replaced Edward at tidmoth sheds so Idk if that would be an ideal choice for the anniversary year . Harvey despite having the attachment is not impossible so maybe him but the most likely canadate is whiff
Here is how the rest of the decade could play out in terms on characters
2025 whiff
2026 Nia
2027 Hiro
2028 Iron arry and Bert catch up year
2029 Havery
2030 Diesel 10
Now without getting too ahead of myself I like this list and I feel this could happen but who knows
Personally I would put Hiro above any other (solo tooling) newbies... I feel like he's one of the most popular characters of the CGI era, and him having a RTR model feels just as long overdue as Stanley's.
As there are finalizing the catalogue here are last-minute suggestions
M truck - the tooling is in the range and this item goes for a lot on eBay bringing it back would be amazing
CCT vans- I have suggested these in the past and I think these would be really nice considering the live lobster van has been discontinued Maybe they could properly reproduce the inspiration from the show and introduce a brown and blue version .
Trevor - since bulgy and sth car have happened. I think Trevor is long overdue. He would be really nice to see.
Spencer's brake coach - his composite coach is based on the model series design so I do think that his brake coach would also have to be based on the model series designed to match it which is actually fine because Bachman has the tool for the coach kit they used that being the collet brake coach
Troublesome truck 7 I do hope this has a classic face and is a LNER 12 ton van
Lei he could also use the LNER van tooling
Works unit coach and breakdown train -again super popular and very much suggested
I do think the pump trolley or skiff could be be cool to see
As for locomotives, which I doubt they will announce in the catalog
Diesel 10 is my 100% absolute most wanted mdoel however Harvey hiro and whiff would be close run ups diesel 10 is the ultimate villain. The characters introduction is 25 years old in 2025. not only would he be a great character to introduce for the 80th anniversary but it would also celebrate an anniversary for his I am more than certain that he would sell well regardless of the price is a very popular character, not just amongst older fan but amongst kids as well .
Hiro is a fan favorite character, a large, tender engine who even appeared in the reboot. He would definitely sell well and considering how big Thomas is in Japan that they literally have to get the range imported into Japan. Imagine how well he could sell there
Regardless, that is my list some varients that I would also like to
see
Scrap Oliver and toad
These paint variance appeared in a very classic episode. That is a favorite for a ton of fans myself included.
With Whiff being one of the most highly requested engines to be announced for the HO line, I wanted to throw an additional suggestion to come alongside him. That being, a truck full of rubbish.
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Slightly inspired by the newest China Clay Wagon, there are a few varying 7 planks that could be given a new load to add variety to the current HO lineup. Since red was already used for the china clay wagon, I think the best choice would be a new design. The orange wagon with the black plating would be a unique new wagon color that could stand out alongside the new load. It could also be the green car, which already exists in the form of coal wagon w/load. However since there is already a newer coal wagon with load in the same color thanks to the Sodor coal company wagon, it could be a good move to change the existing coal wagon w/load to have a differing garbage load as well. This could also open up the orange wagon to be used as a scrap wagon instead, as that is the wagon color typically used for scrap loads in the later Brenner seasons. (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZdHNZEzpvLc/maxresdefault.jpg)
The garbage load might be a bit out there of a suggestion, it's not a traditional load by any means. However, it's one used for a good few cgi episodes. It would pair nicely with Whiff if he gets added to the line but can also be used for other characters. Thomas and Gordon being the two primary ones. The load also exists in the model series as well. So there's a good few appearances to pull from for making consists or remakes. I think it's something, while niche could give some life to some of the existing 7 planks in the line. I think the scrap load is also a potential good option to look into adding as well. (https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.TXgDJUH9B0x8RbnJ38S2ZwAAAA?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain)
I wish someday that Bachmann could start making Z Scale and T Scale. To this day, N Scale is still the smallest scale Bachmann makes. No American-based model train manufacturer makes Z or T Scale. If Bachmann started doing Z Scale, that would bring the Arlesdale engines into the picture. Another scale they don't do is S Scale, which is the same size as O Scale, but uses two-rail track instead of three-rail. Lionel still holds the license for O Scale Thomas products, which is the only thing holding Bachmann back from doing an O Scale range. T Scale is the smallest scale in all of the model train world, and there would most likely never be a Thomas range for that, as it is simply too tiny, but it would still be neat to see American trains in that scale.
Unless Bachmann starts doing Z Scale to make the Arlesdale engines, N Scale will be the smallest scale to have a Thomas range.
S scale is a bit smaller than O scale and runs on narrower track.
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How would people feel about N scale Arlesdale Engines instead of Z scale?
Oh, S Scale is actually a bit smaller than O Scale, and the track is also a bit narrower. Nevertheless, it's still another scale Bachmann doesn't do, just like Z Scale and T Scale. HOn30 Scale is the most recent scale they started doing, but it's HO Scale sized and runs on N Scale track, with Skarloey being their very first product like that. Introducing S Scale, Z Scale, or T Scale would mean creating new track in different sizes. If any of them were to be introduced someday, Z Scale should be first since that would allow for the Arlesdale engines. Like I said, there is no US based manufacturer that makes the two smallest scales. Hope that changes someday.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on December 18, 2024, 04:08:43 PMI wish someday that Bachmann could start making Z Scale and T Scale. To this day, N Scale is still the smallest scale Bachmann makes. No American-based model train manufacturer makes Z or T Scale. If Bachmann started doing Z Scale, that would bring the Arlesdale engines into the picture. Another scale they don't do is S Scale, which is the same size as O Scale, but uses two-rail track instead of three-rail. Lionel still holds the license for O Scale Thomas products, which is the only thing holding Bachmann back from doing an O Scale range. T Scale is the smallest scale in all of the model train world, and there would most likely never be a Thomas range for that, as it is simply too tiny, but it would still be neat to see American trains in that scale.
Unless Bachmann starts doing Z Scale to make the Arlesdale engines, N Scale will be the smallest scale to have a Thomas range.
I think it's best to focus on the scales we have. There's already people complaining when there's no updates on a product. Adding another scale into the mix will only create longer backlogs or fewer products in other scales. We've seen how long it's taken for the most recent products to hit the market and alot of the NG products are still being worked on. Now imagine that but with yet another scale and set of announcements for said scale.
I believe Christian jokingly asked about Z scale specifically on Thomas Tuesday (may have been a different scale, I'm going off memory here so feel free to correct me) and Doug responding with "we have enough trouble balancing three scales as is." So I think that's rather telling. Plus the additional subline of the narrow-gauge stuff in HO. Maybe one day when another scale is done or the narrow-gauge line is finished, they can look into a further expansion, but right now I agree with Mulfred. Adding another scale would be a lot of work and in truth take away from the existing lines.
With that said, O scale is an interesting case. In theory it would be handled by Williams and not take away from the active Bachmann Thomas development at all. Of course, that would require Lionel to let go of the Thomas License which doesn't seem particularly likely, but I think if they were to expand into any scale. It would be that one. More popular in the United States and Bachmann/Williams have experience with it before, unlike Z or S. Just not for a good while, they'd want to wait until they're done developing G or N scale before launching into something else. And I doubt N scale is going anywhere anytime soon.
Before signing off did want to briefly touch on the Arlesdale engines. In CGI there are only 6 things to be made vehicle wise, 3 engines, 3 rolling stock pieces. In theory this would make the line pretty easy and simple. However, said 3 engines are pretty intricate. Scale also is a problem. I don't think they'd expand into Z just for 6 products ultimately. They could do N, that's an idea I've had before. I'm just not sure if it's necessarily a good one for proper scale or if people would just be happy to have the small engines. If nothing else, it could be nice if they threw the Small Controller and Willie the farmer into the human figure line down the road.
So there's a reason Bachmann can't make every scale known to man. In short, it's a balancing act. They have enough to juggle with.
Bachmann has done barley anything with o scale so Williams Thomas line is not the most likely thing however I do think it could happen at one point since they did Wilson and Brewster in o scale years ago for the very short lived Chuggington line
I think large scale is pretty much done I do think Edward and the tramway coaches could happen but Aside from that I just see repaints in the lines future maybe Sidney , troublesome cattle vans , etc
O scale won't be as pricy as large scale and could expand to the point where we could get a O scale Gordon
As for Z scale I think it would be easy all they would have to do is make a 0-8-0 chasis that would work for all three of them . Mike and Rex could reuse the same exact chasis design and Bert just lack the front and back wheels . They also reuse tenders so there is that will only one chasis to design that would only need to be modded for Bert
So for HOz
2-8-2 chasis
3 engine shells
1 tender
3 rolling stock
S scale is not popular at all and we already technicaly have a s scale Thomas range diapet
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on December 19, 2024, 11:48:40 AMBachmann has done barley anything with o scale so Williams Thomas line is not the most likely thing however I do think it could happen at one point since they did Wilson and Brewster in o scale years ago for the very short lived Chuggington line
I think large scale is pretty much done I do think Edward and the tramway coaches could happen but Aside from that I just see repaints in the lines future maybe Sidney , troublesome cattle vans , etc
O scale won't be as pricy as large scale and could expand to the point where we could get a O scale Gordon
As for Z scale I think it would be easy all they would have to do is make a 0-8-0 chasis that would work for all three of them . Mike and Rex could reuse the same exact chasis design and Bert just lack the front and back wheels . They also reuse tenders so there is that will only one chasis to design that would only need to be modded for Bert
So for HOz
2-8-2 chasis
3 engine shells
1 tender
3 rolling stock
S scale is not popular at all and we already technicaly have a s scale Thomas range diapet
Reusing the chassis for Bert won't really be show accurate
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Like I get it that it's "cost saving" but it's a whole new scale. Reusing Mike for Rex is fine but Bert is definitely a whole different chassis. Plus going back to my earlier point introducing a new scale right now only slows down production for other scales and ultimately I don't know if Bachmann would bite the bullet on a brand new scale for 3 engines and 3 rolling stock. We've got 5 NG engines in the range so far, 6 including Rheneas' recolour and possibility of Millie, Luke, Victor. Along with possibly Duncan, Duke, Freddie, Mighty Mac, plus recolours of Sir Handel, Duke and Rheneas for Proteus, Bertrum and Smudger. Without the rolling stock and real world rereleases for Talyllyn locos. It's asking alot for 3 engines especially if people don't support it. We've seen and heard from Bachmann they are always taking the financial cost into account. In an ideal world, yes brilliant but unfortunately we need to consider these things. With NG, N and HO there's still a long list of possible products. Even if you take into account their real life Basis and made those. I genuinely don't know how well they'll sell compared to Talyllyn. As I said before Bachmann have enough to work with doing HO, N, the NG stuff. Adding another in the mix even for a limited time will only add to backlogs or people moaning "well they showed Mike in the stream but still nothing on N scale Henry or Sidney" (that's an example btw). And lastly you are asking for people to buy and set up track. Which is another cost without the price for the engines themselves and rolling stock.
Unfortunately, it's unlikely that Bachmann will start doing Z Scale anytime soon. Although they barely do anything O Scale or Large Scale anymore (as a whole), the HOn30 Scale range still has plenty more products to choose from in the coming years. Even the HO Scale range still has a lot more to choose from, which has been around for over 20 years, and the N Scale range is still very new, which doesn't even have Edward yet. To even start Z Scale, Bachmann will have to make new track for it, which is an expense that doesn't even include engines or rolling stock. With plenty of products to make as is, adding another scale doesn't seem practical at this time. Though I do think S Scale would be nice to add, since it's bigger than HO Scale, but not as big as Large Scale, and a bit smaller than O Scale. It may never happen, but one can dream.
Like I said, in short, it's a balancing act, with already plenty to juggle with. It appears that for many years to come, N Scale will remain the smallest scale Bachmann makes. It doesn't help that Rex, Mike and Bert were the only miniature engines to ever appear in the show, and Mattel never bothered to show Frank or Jock. The latter two only appeared in fan productions. There's even unseen Railway Series characters like the Blister twins and Sigrid, who are very obscure.
I am not saying that it should happen but it would be easy to do . Since Mike and Rex could share the same chasis and only 1 tender design .
I doubt they would make a Z scale line but it could be somewhat easy to make everything .
As for narrow gauge even if the mandate is lifted idk if they would even find it worth while to make certain characters
Freddie , Luke , Victor , Duncan , Millie and Duke would require a TVS design tooling
Mighty Mac Smudger and Protues could be easy repaints
I do think Duncan Victor Luke and Millie have a higher chance then duke or Freddie but knowing why Duncan was cancelled idk if any could happen .
Narrow gauge has a rolling stock back log but I do think we could get brown vans and troublesome slate wagons
For some new tooled rolling stock 4 plank wooden wagons seem likley .
green wagon
Black wagon
Green with rusty frames
Tan wagon
Pink wagon
Quote from: Awesometrain77 on December 19, 2024, 05:08:29 PMI am not saying that it should happen but it would be easy to do . Since Mike and Rex could share the same chasis and only 1 tender design .
I doubt they would make a Z scale line but it could be somewhat easy to make everything .
As for narrow gauge even if the mandate is lifted idk if they would even find it worth while to make certain characters
Freddie , Luke , Victor , Duncan , Millie and Duke would require a TVS design tooling
Mighty Mac Smudger and Protues could be easy repaints
I do think Duncan Victor Luke and Millie have a higher chance then duke or Freddie but knowing why Duncan was cancelled idk if any could happen .
Narrow gauge has a rolling stock back log but I do think we could get brown vans and troublesome slate wagons
For some new tooled rolling stock 4 plank wooden wagons seem likley .
green wagon
Black wagon
Green with rusty frames
Tan wagon
Pink wagon
They are running out of characters in NG that were in CGI there's only Luke, Millie and Duncan left. If Bachmann want to keep making NG characters, that dumb mandate will have to get dropped.
Well, we're entering year 10 of the narrow-gauge line and the 5th (6th if you want to count Yellow Rheneas) is only just having its painted sample finished now. That leaves 3 characters, 4 if they try to circle back around to Duncan which I do think is likely. My point is there's still a good while before they have to worry about having to do model series engines. Not to mention the amount of CGI rolling stock there is, and how we have had years before where they only announce rolling stock for the narrow gauge line. I want Freddie and Duke in the line especially but being realistic we're still a good number of years off before they have to worry about it. Ideally not 10 more years, but still a good few.
Very interesting development with Thomas Minis. A D10 with updated printing. More accurately colored claw, new rivets, and most interestingly a more model series styled face that is not present on any of the CGI refs.
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Potentially for the anniversary, it is also TATMR's 25th anniversary, but no way to know for sure. I think this is a good sign for the future. Shows Diesel 10 is still a popular character worth doing justice. That hopefully this combined with what Doug said regarding Diesel 10 on Thomas Tuesday may push for more people to request him and potentially convince Bachmann to pursue him. I'm still assuming they won't do D10 or Harvey next year do to when they commented on their feasibility, but I'd definitely not complain if I turned out to be wrong. Think it also opens up the doors in regard to potential future negotiations lifting the classic series restriction on Bachmann or potentially allowing them to pick and choose from reference material for the likes of Duncan. A good sign of things to come for 2025 and beyond, from both Mattel and Bachmann
If there's any time for Mattel to be more lenient about the CGI mandate, it's the 80th anniversary. I feel like if they allow merchandise to be based on all sorts of different eras of Thomas throughout that year, then Bachmann should take advantage of the opportunity to knock out some characters or items that would otherwise usually be off the table.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on December 20, 2024, 06:04:01 PMIf there's any time for Mattel to be more lenient about the CGI mandate, it's the 80th anniversary. I feel like if they allow merchandise to be based on all sorts of different eras of Thomas throughout that year, then Bachmann should take advantage of the opportunity to knock out some characters or items that would otherwise usually be off the table.
Agreed. And maybe this could include some treats from the Railway Series as well. If Bachmann is allowed to branch out from the CGI mandate for the 80th Anniversay, maybe that can be used as a springboard to having the CGI mandate finally removed entirely!
Some of the suggestions that have been made include Railway Series Blue Donald and Blue Douglas, as they would just need to recolor their already existing Donald and Douglas models. Quite a lot of modelers make models of Blue Donald and Douglas, often repainting Bachmann Donald and Douglas themselves, so Bachmann might want to look into getting in on that themselves.
Given that there is a demand for 'Arry and Bert to return, if they do return, maybe Bachmann can also release Splatter and Dodge alongside and 'Arry and Bert rerelease. 'Arry, Bert, Splatter, and Dodge all share the same basis, the Class 08 without the front ladders that were already used for 'Arry and Bert. Bachmann would just need to recolor the shells of the items, and given that Splatter and Dodge are always shown with identical faces onscreen, all they would need to do is design a single face for both of them to use. Given that there is a demand for Diesel 10, and the fact that it is the 25th anniversary of Thomas and the Magic Railroad in 2025, that might be some good incentive for Bachmann.
Bachmann UK also has the LMS Ivatt Class 2 2-6-2T, BR Standard Class 9F, and the BR Class 40 Models. Considering that a lot of Bachmann's Thomas Rolling Stock are recolors of Bachmann UK Rolling stock, including the Express Coaches, the Cattle Wagons, and Ventilated Vans, maybe Bachmann could look into making Arthur, Murdoch, and The Diesel/Class 40. They could either recolor their existing models and put a face on them, like Beau, or maybe use the existing models as starting points to design more screen-accurate models of Arthur, Murdoch, and Class 40, so they don't have to design completely new models.
As 2025 is only a few days away here are my catalog predictions on what we could see announced I have previously went over what I would like to see be announced, but there is a difference
N scale
LBSC thomas
Black James
7 plank wagons
Gordon express set
HO
Pink undercoat Thomas
Emily with 12
Green salty
Well wagon
Troublesome van
Gordon's Special express composite coach
Gordon's Special express brake coach
Trevor
So the 2025 catalog announcements are supposed to drop within a month or two. All we can do is speculate. Here's what I think could get announced:
HO Scale:
Whiff
Gold Thomas (Silver Percy and Bronze Diesel for NMRA?)
Waste Wagon
Gordon's Special Coach
Gordon's Special Brake Coach
Narrow Gauge:
Luke
Brown Box Van
Brown Brake Van
N Scale:
Edward (If not, NMRA for sure)
LBSC Thomas
Origin James
Coal Wagon w/ Load
Blue Open Wagon
Red Open Wagon
BR Brake Van
Edward is the #1 priority for N Scale in order to complete the original Steam Team. After that, Bachmann can move on to side characters like Duck, Oliver, Donald and Douglas, Mavis, Spencer, or even Daisy. Duck will most likely be next in line after Edward.
With the catalog dropping any week now, figured I would post my predictions/recommendations. Going to make this more so for the whole year since I think it's going to be harder to gauge on a catalog by basis.
For HO:
Engine wise Whiff is a safe bet. However, could see them going for someone risker following the simpler tools of Stanley and the 08's. Nia would be the safest guess. With that said, I think it would be a sweet gesture if they announced Diesel 10 following Britt's passing. If there was any time to launch the riskier character, it would be now.
For HO rolling stock, the chocolate syrup and toffee tanker are a safe bet. I think a good recommendation would be a new set of cattle wagons. Uncancel the Farmer Mccoll cattle wagon and launch some of the circus cattle vans alongside them. I would imagine they would want to do at least one more but don't admittedly have any great immediate suggestions. I think it would be nice to uncancel another item for the anniversary like 2020 and of the choices I think the cattle wagon is the most likely. Definitely wouldn't be Duncan and do not think the two faced wagons are likely to make a come back, as much as I would like them to.
For N scale Edward is a safe bet. I think open wagons are the most likely next rolling stock choice. My personal prediction would be red with clay load, Sodor Coal Co, and the Sodor scrap co wagon. I would prefer the normal green coal car and the normal blue and white car but since those two are no longer in both scales and the logo versions seem to be more popular idk if that is the route they will pursue. Also going to add the Milk tanker, they absolutely should add this to the range. However, I understand why they haven't yet since it would be cgi based. The cgi one in g scale did not last long at all. But I still think it would be a nice inclusion and a potentially easy one to announce this year. Maybe launch some of the other remaining tankers alongside it, that could be nice. Would personally love to see the red Raspberry Syrup tanker in the smaller scale. I think LBSC Thomas is also likely however since the N scale pipeline currently has 3 engines in development, I could see them only prioritizing Edward in an NMRA announcement over also doing a recolor. But I wouldn't be shocked if we got both. I'd also expect the Gordon set from HO to launch in N scale continuing the trends with the sets so far.
For G scale. Really, I only see LBSC Thomas and maybe some wagon recolors. The 12-ton vans jumping up would make sense. I would love to be wrong, and we get a new engine mold, Mavis and Rosie would be my predictions. I'm just not expecting it.
For Narrow gauge, I am almost 90% confident we'll get Luke. Rolling stock, I'm less sure on. I'm leaning to the TR open coaches from BMM but that's recency bias from discovering they are in the movie. I could also see the tipper wagons being the next rolling stock piece. But they may wait to announce any before they clear that pipeline with the gondolas and gunpowder wagons.
Overall, those are my predictions/hopes for the year. Trying to keep it as realistic, I could see way more happening for the anniversary but also am not really sold on anything else. Can see Dolgoch also happening but she's not inherently Thomas. Also expecting a few surprises. Ideally more human figures and road vehicles I just am not sure on any happening this year.
I'll post my predictions for N Scale as well.
For engines, I still think Edward is a pretty safe bet to be announced at some point during the next year.
However, for rolling stock, rather than focusing just on a single type of wagon recolor, I think Bachmann should do 1-2 of each type, since we don't have a lot of freight stock in the range so far. Bachmann have announced recolors for multiple different types of wagons in the past for both HO and Large Scale, so I don't see why N Scale should only get one type at a time. It would help with the variety in choices as well.
For open wagons, I think that Bachmann should do the Red Open Wagon, whether it has the clay load or not, and the original version of the Coal Wagon w/ Load. They might be a bit plain looking compared to options with logos, but they were both used extremely often in the show for 10+ years, so I think they have somewhat of an advantage. So far, all of the stock we've gotten for N Scale has been either a character or had logos, so I think the simple colors for rolling stock that actually appeared in the show should be prioritized to balance things out a bit. Considering both wagons are still in the HO range despite there being alternate versions with logos, I think they're probably popular enough to consider adding to the N Scale range.
I also think Bachmann should consider the Gray 12 Ton Van for N scale, since they have the tooling for it, and so far it seems to be the most popular of the four 12 Ton Vans that just got released. It would also provide good color variety to the other vans in the range so far.
Finally, I think Bachmann should also do the Milk Tanker in N Scale as well. I'm genuinely surprised it wasn't one of the first ones released, especially since it has been in the show since Season 1. It would also be a new color option added to the tanker lineup.
To recap, I think Bachmann could add some good new rolling stock options to the line that add color variety, but also appeared in the show throughout the Model Series and CGI Era. We've gotten them in the other scales, so I think it would be good for N Scale to have those options as well.
Quote from: Kemptown Branch on January 06, 2025, 09:10:50 AMFor open wagons, I think that Bachmann should do the Red Open Wagon, whether it has the clay load or not, and the original version of the Coal Wagon w/ Load. They might be a bit plain looking compared to options with logos, but they were both used extremely often in the show for 10+ years, so I think they have somewhat of an advantage. So far, all of the stock we've gotten for N Scale has been either a character or had logos, so I think the simple colors for rolling stock that actually appeared in the show should be prioritized to balance things out a bit. Considering both wagons are still in the HO range despite there being alternate versions with logos, I think they're probably popular enough to consider adding to the N Scale range.
I'd like to echo this in particular as I feel the plain logoless wagons would be a lot more of a natural addition to the range, and the fact that they've been used in the show would make them all the more of a welcome addition. I mentioned in an earlier post but a great way to approach this would be making the original coal wagon with load along with the China clay wagon and a cocoa powder wagon with load, all while reusing the same blue and red wagon designs from HO and large scale all while reusing the same coal load just repainted to match the China Clay and cocoa powder loads respectively.
For new cattle wagons I could see them doing a
Mccoll farm cattle van
Circus cattle van
Pink cattle van
Now usually with the expection of last year we get one wagon family expanded or introduced for HO .
The wagon family could be either cattle vans or maybe ulility vans
Both types are in the range but have few products using there toolings it could be either one I doubt it would be both
Diesel 10 would be a great idea for 2025 for a number of reasons and I think he would be very appropriate and I do know that he would sell very very well regardless of the price .
If you throw in some engine varients.
Gordon's special express coaches Trevor
Well wagon and m wagon rerelease
And a Troublsome van I think you have the perfect HO scale lineup for 2025
Catalogue
Special Thomas variant
Emily with 12
Green salty
Gordon's special express coaches
Troublesome truck #7
Trevor
NMRA
Diesel 10
Cattle vans
Well wagon
M wagon
As for large scale I don't think Rosie or Mavis could happen
I feel like Mavis would be a flop idk why people keep suggesting her she is sorta irrelevant. Edward is my pick but he could also be a flop but he is much well better known than Mavis and would probably be a better seller due to his bright blue color which would appeal to garden model railroaders compared to Mavis . A pink Rosie and a red one could appeal to garden model railroaders but I think Edward is more popular .
Narrow gauge I think it needs to be a catch up year if not I think we should see troublesome slate wagons or brown vans but over all I think we'll be a catch-up year
For n scale everything has already been said.
I really think that we could see a continuation of the individual releases of the circus train and Christmas wagons. I really think Nia could be a big announcement this year. I would love for Murdoch and stepney to be announced in the future(but Mattel would have to ease up first). Flying Scotsman is one of the most famous engines in the world and a very wanted character in the franchise. They could even do a seperate sale for the water tender. As for other rolling stock, I think the could start adding to the troublesome lineup and do the slate wagons from Thomas' train journey beyond sodor. Rickety and Fred pelhay were supposed to be released years ago but canceled. I think they could add to a troublesome train as well. Hannah would be great as well since she's being released in n scale. Bradford and Bruno would be nice too.
I think with the 80th anniversary and Mattel focusing on "Classic Thomas" I think the CGI mandate could get eased and we could get a Model character announcement maybe even this year lets wait and see.
Weird last-minute prediction. Now that we have Lionel 80th anniversary product and know Mattel has sent that style guide that's also on some tshirts on amazon out pretty much immediately, I am once again looking at the New Minis Diesel 10 and Charlie. I don't think they would be based on those minis to be clear, but the fact they were specifically updated and are being pushed makes me wonder if maybe Charlie may happen this year. Flynn is also in Minis this year so he could potentially be the next plastic vehicle. Normally there isn't cross synergy with Bachmann itself but with Lionel specifically using the same style guide mattel is sending out makes me curious if this could be different. Not as confident in this as my previous post but I figured it wouldn't hurt if nothing else to throw it out there
This gives me hope for model series products
Now that we know the DCC Thomas and Percy use the same sound files as g scale, this opens the door for the rest of 2-7, Emily, and Spencer to become DCC in the future. I would fully expect to see them announced over the coming years. Could be cool if they announced one or two of the Three Railway Engines for DCC this year. I could see them waiting until these are out to announce anymore but I do think they will be on the horizon.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on January 07, 2025, 08:11:52 PMNow that we know the DCC Thomas and Percy use the same sound files as g scale, this opens the door for the rest of 2-7, Emily, and Spencer to become DCC in the future. I would fully expect to see them announced over the coming years. Could be cool if they announced one or two of the Three Railway Engines for DCC this year. I could see them waiting until these are out to announce anymore but I do think they will be on the horizon.
I would love it if the range expands their DCC options beyond Thomas and Percy. I've been meaning to upgrade some of my engines to have DCC at some point since my club runs DCC and I am literally one of three or four members that runs analog because of the Thomas models. So having options available for the rest of the original steam team and Spencer would help a lot long term so I can run more Thomas models for guests during our shows.
Sir Handel looks great too. Can't wait to see how he looks once they finish the final details. Didn't think it was possible to be even more excited for Sir Handel, but here we are.
We knew from the start that the DCC Sound-Fitted Thomas and Percy models weren't going to be retools. I guess the reason why they can't just retool Thomas and Percy is because it would take away the resources that would otherwise be used for another engine that requires a new tooling, like Norman or Whiff. Percy especially needs it since he's one of the worst models in HO Scale. The only real issues with Thomas are his face, and the lack of a front coupler.
How would I revive the scenery range
Now this is something I thought of and you would focus on making everything versatile and could work on many different layouts for different parts of the island of Sodor
So first off I would bring back
The round water tower
Brendam warehouse
Signal box
And introduce the following new items
Resin retaining walls pack
Sodor station platform pack
Sodor station sign pack
Glass station canopy
My predictions for new Thomas releases coming soon will be...
-Stepney the bluebell engine
-Nia the African engine
-Duncan (narrow gauge engine)
-Duke
-Harvey
-Murdoch
-d199/spamcam
-d7101/bear
-kana
-sandy
-Carly
-aeg Thomas, Percy, James, Emily, Gordon and diesel
-class 40/the diesel/d261
-Caroline
-Tom tipper and his post van
-George the steam roller
-diesel 10
-whiff
-Neville
-Norman
-Charlie
-Boco
-Trevor
-bulgy
-luke
Quote from: Gotoit756 on January 08, 2025, 09:10:31 PMMy predictions for new Thomas releases coming soon will be...
-Stepney the bluebell engine
-Nia the African engine
-Duncan (narrow gauge engine)
-Duke
-Harvey
-Murdoch
-d199/spamcam
-d7101/bear
-kana
-sandy
-Carly
-aeg Thomas, Percy, James, Emily, Gordon and diesel
-class 40/the diesel/d261
-Caroline
-Tom tipper and his post van
-George the steam roller
-diesel 10
-whiff
-Neville
-Norman
-Charlie
-Boco
-Trevor
-bulgy
-luke
Bachmann has already announced Bulgy, and he can be preordered at Trainworld or other shops.
Quote from: Gotoit756 on January 08, 2025, 09:10:31 PMMy predictions for new Thomas releases coming soon will be...
-Stepney the bluebell engine
-Nia the African engine
-Duncan (narrow gauge engine)
-Duke
-Harvey
-Murdoch
-d199/spamcam
-d7101/bear
-kana
-sandy
-Carly
-aeg Thomas, Percy, James, Emily, Gordon and diesel
-class 40/the diesel/d261
-Caroline
-Tom tipper and his post van
-George the steam roller
-diesel 10
-whiff
-Neville
-Norman
-Charlie
-Boco
-Trevor
-bulgy
-luke
Bachmann have said time and time again they will NOT make AEG products.
I've come up with some new stuff that I thought of recently.
first is Philip (this is a surprise suggestion I've came up with). I rewatched the episodes from season 19 during his introduction 10 years ago. yes I thought he was annoying. (I think he was tolerable in seasons 19-21 i think i got annoyed with him in the last three seasons). but I think he's starting to grow on me. I think he has a simple design that they could do him.
the next two are rolling stock. first the slip coaches. (just a piece of rolling stock to go with duck).
some quarry related wagons for mavis. (much of my ho collection is the secondary characters). for example oliver has toad and s.c. ruffy to pull. donald & douglas have the spiteful breakvan. bill & ben will soon have the china clay wagans. daisy has the milk tanker. and diesel with either the upcoming flatbed with diesel fuel or the sodor diesel company tankers. so I think mavis could use some wagons with rocks loaded into them like how the china clay wagons will look like. (though maybe in a different paint scheme maybe green as I think there's enough of the red wagons). so I just thought duck and mavis could use some rolling stock to go with them like the others I listed.
so these were some ideas I had in the head for awhile now. (they struck me recently and thought i'd share them). and samson and bradford remain as my most wanted items (just was putting it out). and I also think porter is another one they should do (with salty returning to the range eventually). so that's what I got for now.
It seems like to get a bachmann model you had to be in the cgi television series, and at least so far not be very complicated to create (so no mobile diesel 10 pinchy, or marion, or harveys crane (tho maybe this will change at some point)).
Bachmann also seem to understandably like making engines they can reuse chassis for like stanley from thomas's chassis.
I feel like at some point we might get flying scotsman using gordon's chassis, but I only hesitate to say that because there are so many flying scotsmans already out there in oo.
Whiff doesnt have the same chassis as an existing engine but also doesnt have complex side rods. Whiff also has a relatively long history in the show so I could see him coming along soon.
Charlie could use stanleys/thomas's chassis. It would be interesting to see if Billy is also made that way despite him not being in cgi. I would think people would have to buy charlie and turn him into billy though because smudger has never been made from rheneas by bachmann.
Victor would be a fun one to get in oo9 but I think probably we will finish out getting duncan and luke before that maybe since victor is much larger and will have a smaller audience for buying to turn into a different engine.
Nia is also probably on bachmann's list to adapt, but will be more expensive because of her complex siderods.
Hiro I can see bachmann making because he is so popular and has many toy lines making him over other characters.
Samson could also be made but I'm not familiar enough with his wheel arrangement to know of they could mostly use percy's chassis.
Stafford, phillip, dart, and winston should all have relatively simple chassis though I'm sure they wouldnt have moving eyes being so small.
Connor and caitlin i think could use the same chassis so they could come out together or shortly after each other which would help cost of production.
Porter could use modified rosie chassis maybe?
I think stephen has the same potential issue as flying scotsman because there are already rockets in oo.
Maybe give more time between den's basis being released in oo and we will see him come out shortly after dart.
Timothy could join bill and ben on scc soon. Maybe bachmann could modify paxton/diesel/arry/bert/etc's side rods to help reduce cost.
Anyway thats who I think is most likely to be made in the nearish future by bachmann based on what we've seen. Fun to think about. I do hope the pattern of no mobile crane parts changes though so we can get rocky or breakdown cranes and other fun characters. I do also hope we someday get into non cgi characters like boco, duke, and stepney. Moonshot dream of super unlikeliness would be if mattel went back to cgi like brenner era and we wouldnt have to worry about who wasnt in cgi because they would be brought back.
Would a large scale Edward and Henrietta be cool?
Okay so since we know we will get something new from HO N and G (no mention of NG ) I have updated my predictions
G scale
Red funfair van
Blue funfair van
Gray funfair van
Christmas van
HO scale
Golden Thomas
Emily with 12
Green Salty
Gordon's special express coach composite
Gordon's special express coach brake
Troublesome truck #7
Trevor
N scale
LBSC Thomas
Black James
In addition we will get a set as we have gotten a new set every year since 2019 I am pretty sure it will be either HO or N scale
If the set is HO then I think N scale could get some products announced
Mining wagon with load
Sodor co coal wagon with load
Sodor scrap co wagon
If it is N scale then I think HO could see some more products announced
Mccoll Cattle van
Circus cattle van
Pink cattle van
With them specifically advertising an exclusive 20-ton brakevan in the new 80th set, it makes me think Bradford and the brown van from N scale are an inevitability (maybe one of the others from CGI as well but not as confident in them.)
I could very well see those being part of the NMRA lineup this year but also could see them waiting a little bit until after this announcement. Like how TT#7 didn't immediately come after the 12-ton van announcement. Don't really have any other thoughts yet for predictions, most of what I said pre catalog still holds true, but this was interesting enough felt I should make a post about it.
Something really out of left field they could do is a Samson and Bradford dual announcement at NMRA. but I don't think they will. I'm almost certain Whiff is next, but they could surprise me.
While I'm still very much a fan of the announcements revealed today, I'll admit that most of my personal wishlist and predictions haven't changed all that much, apart from the obvious additions of Troublesome Truck #7 and the large scale LBSC Thomas now being out of the way. If anything, it highlights how much more anticipation I have for seeing some of the previous suggestions during future announcement dates, particularly Edward and the coal wagon with load in N scale.
I got a few predictions right this year
Troublsome truck 7
HO set
Scrap wagon N scale
N scale LBSC Thomas
N scale Black James
I was thinking about putting LBSC Thomas for large scale in my predictions but I went against it .
Overall I did sorta have doubts they were going to do a coal load tooling given the backlog for n scale
But 5 products is not bad
My wishlist/predictions hasn't changed really either. I'd still love a Stephen to go with the blue open carriage, I still think the 4 plank wagons in NG would be an incredibly popular seller and edition to the range. I still feel like well end up with a Bradford in N scale/possibly HO. One thing i will add which i don't really see happening however given today's announcements and current catalogue I think it's worth mentioning. A reintroduction of the original Sodor Mail car. Given we now have a CGI milk tanker and the current Tidmouth Milk Tanker is still available (for now) if that proves to be financially successful, I see no reason why a reintroduction of the OG Sodor Mail car wouldn't be a successful announcement too. It's classic series rolling stock, it's one of those sort after pieces now in the fandom. We have the Tar tanker back, so It's not entirely impossible. As said previous posts they can market the CGI as they do now as Mail car red and the OG as Sodor Mail car. Anyway just an idea.
The only other idea I have is a van or truck in memory of Britt (if that's possible) maybe a van with the Britt Allcroft logo written on the side in a limited run, could even maybe have some of the funds donated to a charity Britt was a supporter of?
I had a feeling HO Scale wasn't going to get a new tooling. Especially since they're prioritizing getting Stanley out there and fixing Salty, while making little progress on Sidney and Mainland Diesel. But if they do announce a new tooling this NMRA, it would most likely be Whiff or Samson. Considering the 80th Anniversary set is getting the LMS 20-Ton Brake Van, that's the tooling for Bradford right there, so I can definitely see them announcing Samson as the next new tooling for HO Scale. If we do get Whiff, they would need to announce a Waste Wagon with a new trash load.
The NMRA should for sure announce Luke for Narrow Gauge, and I had a feeling he wasn't going to be in the catalog since they still need to get Sir Handel out there. Thankfully, the gondolas now have painted samples, which means they're not far off, either. All that's left are the Gunpowder Wagons, and those should be in progress. It may be another year or two before Duncan gets reconsidered. For rolling stock, Narrow Gauge still needs a tan brake van and box van, which both would use an existing tooling and can be easily done.
I did guess right that N Scale would get LBSC Thomas and Origin James. It's about time we got non-troublesome variants of the open wagon, and they were the red one, and Sodor Scrap. I'm hoping we can still get the logoless green Coal Wagon w/ Load. It better be the logoless one... I had a feeling Edward wasn't going to be announced just yet because Bachmann is still catching up on Diesel, Paxton and Henry. They only recently managed to get Gordon and Emily out there. Now that it's been another year, progress has to have been done on Diesel and Paxton. I'm still hoping that the NMRA would for sure announce Edward, then we can finally have all eight members of the original Steam Team in N Scale. As for other rolling stock, I'd still like to see the BR Brake Van and Gray 12-Ton Van. Red Coaches are also very much possible.
Quote from: DustyMarie53! on January 25, 2025, 12:37:07 PMWith them specifically advertising an exclusive 20-ton brakevan in the new 80th set, it makes me think Bradford and the brown van from N scale are an inevitability.
Quote from: TrainFan97 on January 25, 2025, 04:22:01 PMConsidering the 80th Anniversary set is getting the LMS 20-Ton Brake Van, that's the tooling for Bradford right there, so I can definitely see them announcing Samson as the next new tooling for HO Scale.
Hey, just a heads up for everyone, but the tooling for the 20 ton brake van in the HO set is a different type of van compared to the one that the N Scale version is based on.
(https://i.postimg.cc/NK9mPqsY/IMG-0477.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NK9mPqsY)
The 20 ton brake van in the set is based on this old tooling Bachmann have, which is the same body as the Spiteful Brake Van with a different chassis:
(https://i.postimg.cc/2qnvrQLK/IMG-0478.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2qnvrQLK)
And this is the type of brake van that the N Scale Brake Van and Bradford are based on, which is a tooling that Graham Farish have done:
(https://i.postimg.cc/1nPFt8p5/IMG-0479.webp) (https://postimg.cc/1nPFt8p5)
Brake vans in the UK were commonly rated near 20 or 25 tons, so that specific thing wouldn't necessarily mean that the brake vans would be the same.
Oh, we were wrong. The brake van in the set is NOT the one for Bradford. It's the same body as the Spiteful Brake Van, but on a shorter chassis. Right now, only N Scale has the right tooling for Bradford.
Anyway, here's my updated list for the NMRA, which won't be until July. By then, more products should be getting out there, with even more samples shown of other previously announced products.
HO Scale:
Whiff
Waste Wagon
Open Carriage - Red (great for Christmas)
12-Ton Van - Brown
Chocolate Syrup Tanker
Toffee Tanker
Narrow Gauge:
Luke
Brake Van - Tan
Box Van - Tan
Brake Van - Gray
Box Van - Gray
N Scale:
Edward
Coal Wagon w/ Load
Red Coach
Red Brake Coach
12-Ton Van - Gray
BR Brake Van
Large Scale:
Origin James
It would be nice if HO Scale could get red coaches with white roofs. That would make them look like they did in the classic series. N Scale should also get its first Christmas set in the Thomas range.
Just as well for everyone's info, NMRA is in July this year. So we'll get the mid-year announcements roughly in the middle of the month. Show runs from the 14th to the 19th so the catalog should drop either on the 18th or 19th. I think that's the Friday and Saturday
Mine as well also catalog my predictions because I don't see much changing while I'm here as well.
HO Scale:
Whiff
Waste Wagon
20-ton LMS Brake vans, most likely Bradford and brown. To clarify I didn't mean to imply the model was the same as the set, I knew that. But I figured them advertising it as an exclusive 20 ton van means more MAY be on the way. Realize I worded it weirdly initially that was my bad.
Narrow Gauge:
Luke
Rolling stock I'm of 2 minds. If the gunpowder wagons are not done, then I think they'll do some of the brown and grey van and brake vans from the cgi series. If they are done I think they'll announce some of the rolling stock from BMM they can reuse for the normal TR line. My bet would be the open coaches if that were the case, but there are truly infinite options. Van 5 would also be a good shout.
N Scale:
Edward
One of the green wagons with coal loads
Milk tanker
Tar tanker maybe?
G Scale:
Honestly very possibly nothing, but if anything I'd expect some 12 ton vans.
If I'm feeling greedy maybe Henrietta, but I wouldn't expect it personally. I want it though. She absolutely needs to happen at some point.
Feel like these are pretty safe predictions, could potentially add more as we get more news of samples through the pipeline but I'm not really sure what else they'd do admittedly even if the pipeline does get cleared. Maybe another road vehicle but that's dependent on Bulgy.
It's really cool how the Sodor China Clay wagon is RWS-inspired. Never thought I'd see the day where Bachmann started to pull directly from the pages the RWS. This could open the door for them to finally re-announce their cancelled Rickety and Fred Pelhay from several years ago.
Quote from: RailsByRick on January 25, 2025, 11:24:35 PMIt's really cool how the Sodor China Clay wagon is RWS-inspired. Never thought I'd see the day where Bachmann started to pull directly from the pages the RWS. This could open the door for them to finally re-announce their cancelled Rickety and Fred Pelhay from several years ago.
And if they are making sets and rolling stock based on the Railway Series Books, maybe they could also repaint 58807 Donald and 58808 Douglas into Blue Donald and Blue Douglas. A lot of modelers already make Blue Donald and Douglas themselves, sometimes repainting Bachmann models, so it might be a smart idea for Bachmann to cash in on this opportunity.
If they did make Blue Donald and Blue Douglas, I would personally buy multiples of those items each. In part so I can juggles some of the bits around for fun. Like having versions of Blue Donald and Douglas shells over Black Donald and Douglas wheels.
Here's hoping.
I might get LBSC Thomas in large scale, along with a toffee tanker wagon, and a chocolate syrup tanker wagon. I might also just get the spiteful brake van too! :)
Quote from: Armada Starscream on January 26, 2025, 12:10:14 AMQuote from: RailsByRick on January 25, 2025, 11:24:35 PMIt's really cool how the Sodor China Clay wagon is RWS-inspired. Never thought I'd see the day where Bachmann started to pull directly from the pages the RWS. This could open the door for them to finally re-announce their cancelled Rickety and Fred Pelhay from several years ago.
And if they are making sets and rolling stock based on the Railway Series Books, maybe they could also repaint 58807 Donald and 58808 Douglas into Blue Donald and Blue Douglas. A lot of modelers already make Blue Donald and Douglas themselves, sometimes repainting Bachmann models, so it might be a smart idea for Bachmann to cash in on this opportunity.
If they did make Blue Donald and Blue Douglas, I would personally buy multiples of those items each. In part so I can juggles some of the bits around for fun. Like having versions of Blue Donald and Douglas shells over Black Donald and Douglas wheels.
Here's hoping.
I'm sick of saying this but it's NOT GONNA HAPPEN. The 80th anniversary set is just that. An anniversary piece. Just because that's being released doesn't mean all of a sudden RWS styled engines are gonna be made or repaints of existing tooling (which is vastly different to their RWS and real life counterparts) if any engines in the current range were to get RWS engines it'll probably be the Skarloey gang. As I've said before there's better versions available that people use for customs. Plus given the hate online for doing a simple set, can you imagine the RWS purists outrage when Bachmann uses an existing tooling missing added details that's in the RWS. It's not worth it for a few sales. As for Rolling stock, yes Rolling stock is cheaper and easier to produce if it doesn't sell well it ends up discontinued so doing Rolling stock is alot less risky then recolouring an engine and selling that. Don't read into this set being released as it opening up a world of RWS models and definitely don't read into it as any evidence the CGI mandate will be dropped. We're in the 80th anniversary year so anniversary stuff is expected.
Building off what Mulfred said, Thomas and his trucks illustrations are the main thing people think of when they think railway series. Mattel is also sending these illustrations out as part of their style guide. This does not mean more RWS stuff is coming. Although the brakevan is interesting since itis based on a separate illustration, it's likely just because it was a better fit for this set and they saw it in research. If we were to get any other RWS tribute stuff, it'd have been in this catalog. Maybe for a future anniversary but that's way off I'd say and again, I don't think it's likely. Blue scots and RWS Skarloey guys have never been handed out in the merch style guides, so I don't think they'd be something either on Bachmann's radar or something they'd be allowed to make.
The clay wagons likewise are based on the TWR toy with some cues taken from the illustrations. They're again not really comparable to the recolors mentioned here. Maybe in another 5 years but I wouldn't expect it.
TLDR: These are either stuff Mattel is specifically handing out as part of their legacy style guide or comes from previous existing merch. It is not an indication of anything to do with the model mandate, or more RWS things to come. At best though maybe we could see the uncanceling of Fred Pelhay? That'd technically align with the precedent set by the clay wagon. Idk if they'd do it though, but it's at least a possibility worth mentioning
I can definitely see Whiff being the next new tooling for HO Scale, and he will most likely get announced this NMRA once Stanley is out there. To go with Whiff, they'll also need to make a Waste Wagon with a new trash bag load, which would be the perfect rolling stock for him. As for another rolling stock piece, a Red Open Carriage would look good for Christmas, and it would use an existing tooling. Another idea I haven't mentioned is a Brown 12-Ton Van; another logoless van which would look accurate to the show. They still haven't brought the Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers to HO Scale, and it's about time they do, or even a CGI Fuel Tanker.
Once Bachmann gets Sir Handel out there later on, they can announce Luke to be the next Narrow Gauge engine this NMRA. They still need to make tan and gray brake vans and box vans, which can easily be made from existing toolings. Maybe after Luke, Bachmann can finally uncancel Duncan.
It shouldn't be too much longer before we finally see samples of N Scale Diesel and Paxton, as well as the N Scale Express Coaches. Now that Gordon and Emily are out there, they can focus fully on the two diesels. Once they're far enough along, Bachmann can then make steady progress on Henry. Because this is still the 80th Anniversary, Edward for sure has to be announced this NMRA. We need him to complete the original Steam Team in N Scale. There's lots of needed rolling stock for N Scale, like Red Coaches, Coal Wagon w/ Load, BR Brake Van, Gray 12-Ton Van, and the Milk Tanker.
I feel we will see a Black James in large scale for NMRA.
Once N Scale Edward finally is on the cards, the next N Scale engine to vouch for would be Duck.
Edward is definitely a shoe-in for the next N Scale loco this July, but I think the fandom would be better-served pushing for Mavis to be the next N Scale loco after Edward instead of Duck. Bachmann already knows how much the Thomas fandom loves engines 8 thru 11, so we'd basically just be preaching to the choir. It would make more sense to rally behind fan favorites that aren't as pushed as hard as they are, such as Mavis. That way we'll get a bit more variety alongside the basically-guaranteed Ducks and Olivers, ha ha.
Other than Edward, I think there's a good chance we see either the Red Coaches or the Milk and Tar Tanks announced at NMRA. I'm personally leaning on the side of Tar and Milk since we've been asking for those two ever since the initial tank car announcements in N. I've been hesitant to beg for them given that until recently we'd needed way more wagon variety first before more tank cars, but now that we have Box Vans as well as upcoming faceless open wagons and an upcoming faceless brake van, I think we've reached enough diversity in rolling stock that new tankers make sense to dive into. I think a fun alternative third option for new rolling stock would be Mail Cars, since they're one of the few things left in the TOMIX's old lineup that aren't present in Bachmann's, but with how long it's been without seeing hide nor hair of Paxton/Diesel and the Express Coaches progress-wise, I'd be hesitant to push for any projects that are more extensive than an easy retool (such as the Red Coaches).
If Bachmann felt like adding off-rail vehicles like Bertie and Harold to the N Scale line, though, I would be very happy with that as well!
I strongly believe that the NMRA convention this year will be strong given the 80th anniversary of Thomas. I'll put my take on the predictions 6 months before any new announcements.
HO:
- Whiff
- Garbage Truck
- Toffee Tanker
- Chocolate Syrup Tanker
HoN30
- Luke
- Gray Box Vans/Brake Van
- Tan Box Vans/Brake Van
N:
- Edward (Without question)
- Mail Trucks (To add variety to rolling stock)
- Red Coaches + Brake Coach (Simple retooling)
- BR Brake Van
G:
- Origin James
I'm open to feedback. Thanks!
Since I shared my ideas for stuff 13 days ago. I came up with more stuff that came in my head.
For engines in the ho line obviously samson. (yes I've shared a lot I really want him). here's why I shared he has the same chassis as percy and bill and ben. he just seems pretty easy to do (main reason why I want him is because of samson and the fireworks made me like him more). and second is he's pretty similar in design wise to neil from the railway series. (I just always thought samson was close enough to adaption of neil from the railway series to be introduced in the show). so samson is just really the one engine I want the most by this rate.
for rolling stock. obviously bradford.
the slip coaches to go with duck.
the idea of quarry wagons for mavis.
and three ideas for more troublesome trucks. a 8th one for the slate wagon (from journey beyond sodor). and the 9th one in the 16th ton wagon (I'm kind of referring to the ones diesel pushed into the sea with China clay in diesel does it again). and a 10th one using the mail vans. (there was one seen in oliver owns up with a face so I thought that would that would be fitting to use as the 10th troublesome truck.
the last one is more flatbeds (the ones that samson was seen pulling with the dinosaurs on them).
for the narrow guage line. well four I can say is a flatbed wagon.
the green open air coaches (just another edition to add with the red and blue coaches).
and more of the box vans and breakvans. (for these I'm thinking brown). I really like the red and blue ones they released. (I own two of the red box vans and four of the blue ones). yes the red ones were the ones mostly used in the show. I just seem to really like how the blue ones turned out. I think that's why I own four of the blue box vans. Just would like if they did more of the vans in brown. same with the breakvan.
for n scale obviously edward (just to finish the main 7 engine cast).
and down the road I'm thinking oliver. (since they did toad I suspect they'll so oliver eventually). but of course duck might be the next one they do when they announce edward.
and g scale james in the black paint. (since they're doing thomas in the lbsc livery they should do james in the black livery).
yes some of these were ones I already said. but the rest is all new I thought of lately.
I guess we'll see what the announcements in July will bring.
After some thought, I decided to create a list for NMRA and my thoughts on the next N scale engines after Edward. As always, I'll start with HO, followed by N and Large Scale.
HO Engines
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For HO, I'm leaning more than ever toward Hiro after the recent release of Rebecca. It's unfortunate he wasn't in this year's catalog, but understandable given Bachmann's current workload. He would be one of Bachmann's very best sellers, despite his inevitably higher price, and many would buy him day one of his release. He has a majorly wide appeal and continues to have a strong fan following since his introduction in Hero of the Rails.
(https://i.gyazo.com/af50373bf09a11a835035119ddf50abe.webp)
If Hiro isn't announced, Whiff seems like the next likely candidate. His simple design aligns well with characters like Rosie and Stanley, introduced around the same time and with similar followings. Not counting Harvey or Diesel 10, Whiff would be the last major character from the model era who also appeared in CGI—a detail that adds novelty to his inclusion.
I only have two suggestions for HO rolling stock, both are repaints:
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Green China Clay Truck: This would complement the upcoming red China Clay Truck and encourage sales. While green trucks didn't appear in the Railway Series, they were part of the Wooden Railway range in a two-pack with the red one adding some diversity. If Bachmann is introducing a new China clay load, it makes sense to use it across multiple wagons. They can even copy the same decals from the red wagon (barring the numbers, which can be changed). It almost feels wrong only having a red China Clay truck but no green one to go along with it since I remember having the wooden railway two pack as a kid!
(https://i.gyazo.com/d60569129b61a6c17daddce1bbf903ce.webp)
Gordon's Special Coaches – These darker blue repaints of the Express Coaches, would be a very smart addition. Not only do they offer a nice color contrast, but they also represent a piece of model-era rolling stock absent from the recent catalog announcements.
Figure Packs
By summer, I expect figure packs to be available for sale. If new packs aren't announced by then, I could see them included in next winter's catalog. Two possibilities that seem popular are a Sodor Brass Band pack and a Sodor Celebrity pack. Hopefully they will do more than that in the future, but for now I'm just going to stick with these two.
Narrow Gauge
After Sir Handel is released, I could see the next narrow gauge engine being Luke.
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Luke is a popular CGI-era character and fits naturally with the mining theme of the narrow gauge range, as he resides in the Blue Mountain Quarry. He would likely be an expensive and a lot more of an intricate locomotive, but I feel the cross appeal for both Thomas fans and 009 modelers is definitely there, more so than CGI Duncan by a longshot. I would buy him day one!
(https://i.gyazo.com/79a6446629261da7ee6267ed3833b0c6.jpg)
For narrow gauge rolling stock, I'm going to suggest the 4-plank wagons, which have appeared in both the model and CGI eras. These could come in various liveries—brown, oxide red, and gray. In addition, Bachmann can create different loads of their choice in each wagon such as coal or stone. If not, these wagons would still make great additions, with or without additional loads.
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Narrow gauge brake van - tan - This I feel would be a long overdue repaint since the tan brake vans are more commonly used for goods trains. This is an addition Bachmann can add either alongside the newly tooled Luke and 4 plank wagon suggestions made earlier or even work as an announcement on its own if Bachmann would rather focus on getting Sir Handel and all the previously announced rolling stock released first.
N Scale
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The consensus among fans seems to be that Edward should be the next N Scale engine. While I understand the delays due to ongoing projects, it feels like a missed opportunity not to have announced him in the catalog to complete the original Steam Team. That said, I think at this point he feels like a shoe-in for the summer and he would in no doubt be a popular seller once released.
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After Edward, I firmly believe Duck should follow in 2026. His popularity, consistent CGI appearances, and strong sales of his HO model with an introduction in Bachmann UK make him a clear choice. A recent Japanese poll also highlighted his strong following ranking him in third place behind Thomas in his Railway Series and model series appearances respectively during the midterm results. If that doesn't speak highly of Duck's popularity, I genuinely don't know what does.
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Daisy also deserves quick mention too. After her recent UK introduction, she could be a strong candidate following Edward and Duck in N scale. Despite how this would be a lot further down the line, it almost felt wrong to not mention her alongside Edward and Duck.
N Rolling Stock
So like earlier in the catalog I'm going to suggest another pair of wagons which may seem redundant, but I feel with the additional coal loads and different color choices it will add some extra diversity:
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Coal Wagon w/ load - This iconic rolling stock appeared extensively in both the model and CGI series and has been a popular purchase in HO and Large Scale. It continues to be a popular request for a reason, and people would purchase multiple.
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Mining Wagon w/ load – With a blue livery and decal, this wagon would pair nicely with the green coal wagon, offering contrast and variety.
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BR 20 ton brake van - In terms of new toolings, a BR 20-ton brake van should be added to the range this summer considering how it's been a lot more popular and iconic than the LMS brake van that was announced earlier. While Bachmann likely chose the LMS brake van to avoid investing in new tooling, the BR 20-ton brake van would be a versatile option for future repaints, including the Spiteful Brake Van. Personally I think introducing one in either brown or gray or even purple and adding the two coal wagons mentioned earlier would make for a very fun lineup of N rolling stock!
Large Scale
Large scale is lucky to get any announcement these days, so I don't expect much activity here. However, I believe introducing the same two vans in HO (1945 and retro logo), would be a smart move for the large scale range. These could not only appeal to large scale modelers but also to collectors as display pieces.
Anyway that wraps up my thoughts on NMRA predictions plus which N scale engines should come after Edward. I'm glad to see a lot of similar views all while still enjoying the reveal last weekend.
As they always say, we enjoy reading your posts, Chaz!
Anyway, I don't really see Hiro getting announced just yet, but I can definitely see Whiff being the next newly-tooled engine for HO Scale, and he would be complimented with a Waste Wagon with a trash bag load. A China Clay Wagon in green would be nice to see, but I can also see them announcing the CGI Fuel Tanker, Chocolate Syrup and Toffee Tankers for HO Scale. Gordon's Special Coaches would also be welcome, since they're a rolling stock repaint that appeared in the model series. The next newly-tooled rolling stock for HO Scale has to be the Works Unit Coach, which can come in green, orange and blue liveries. Just wanted to get that out there.
With all the Blue Mountain Quarry rolling stock we're getting, the next Narrow Gauge engine has to be Luke. Once Sir Handel gets out there this summer, it would be the time to announce Luke, since he is the perfect engine to pull all this BMQ rolling stock. While tan and gray box van and brake van repaints are easy to make from existing toolings, the next newly-tooled Narrow Gauge rolling stock after the Gunpowder Wagons should be the 4-Plank Wagons, and they would be good with or without loads, but if they could have loads, they can have coal or stone.
N Scale Edward is a shoe-in and must-have for the NMRA Announcements this July, then the original Steam Team can finally be complete in N Scale. After Edward, the next N Scale engine announcement for 2026 has to be Duck. After Duck, I would then like to see Oliver finally produced in N Scale to compliment the existing Toad model, along with Donald and Douglas. Daisy would be a great choice for N Scale too. Mavis is also brought up a lot, since she would recycle Thomas' chassis. Spencer is still a good suggestion for N Scale because he would recycle Gordon's chassis, like Henry. As for the next N Scale rolling stock, the logoless green Coal Wagon w/ Load, as well as the blue Mining Wagon are great choices, but the next newly-tooled N Scale rolling stock has to be the BR 20-Ton Brake Van. They went with the Graham Farish LMS Brake Van to cut down on tooling costs, but the BR Brake Van can come in different liveries, including light gray and dark gray, and the same tooling would be used for the Spiteful Brake Van. I would also like to see the Red Coaches in N Scale, as they're a modified tooling of Annie and Clarabel, and can be easily made.
So now I've had some time to fully take in the recent announcement and all the new products I figured I'd go over my future predictions/ideas and explain my reasoning behind them. There are pieces Chaz has mentioned which i won't mention again too much.
HO
Stephen
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Now I do agree with Hiro and Whiff however I do also still think Stephen has a strong case, which seems to be growing stronger since the last time I mentioned him. Firstly the Blue Open Carriage would look incredible being pulled by Stephen around a layout or at trainshows. There's also the 200th anniversary of railways here in the UK too. Alot of model companies are leaning into this and what better way to pay homage to that then Stephen. Hornby already make alot of era 1 stuff including his basis Rocket. Stephen is one of those characters where the real life history plays a major part in his character and it encourages people to dig into that history of Rocket. Lets face it if Rocket was never made we'd probably not have this world we love in Thomas. I know Stephen is a bit more complicated then say Whiff, Charlie or Nia but I honestly think that the reward is there to be had. Out of the current CGI mandate Stephen is one of the few characters I can say hand on heart I'd buy day 1.
Rolling Stock
F.Q.C Truck with load
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Since seeing the catalogue and the Sodor China Clay wagon being based on the RWS illustrations I've been thinking about this.
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It would be extremely easy to make. Using the brown cargo car/the car used in the 80th Anniversary set. Add the rock load, maybe paint it Grey. Add the lettering and you've got a new product. It'll go great along with Toby, Percy, Mavis and of course Thomas. It's crazy how the most famous branchline still hasn't got any specific rolling stock.
Sodor Mail Car
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Now this is abit left field but hear me out. If Bachmann do intend to keeping the Tidmouth Milk Tanker and new CGI Milk Tanker in the range co existing then maybe bringing back the original Sodor Mail Car isn't too far fetched. It's a beloved item by fans and always sells on Ebay so there's still a market there for this item. The Sodor Mail Car wouldn't be replacing the CGI Red Mail Car it would be giving people the option and there's enough of a distinction between the Sodor Mail Car and Mail Car Red. I'm sure many people would jump at the chance to buy this item again. In recent years we've managed to reintroduce the Tar Tanker, Red and Green Express Coaches, the tooling is available so it's not like that's a draw back either.
Topham Circus
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Now for 4 in one. The Topham Circus. This is an idea I've had for years. It can span across several toolings, the 7 plank wagon, 12 van, vent van and mail car tooling. It's something that was sold as merchandise and wouldn't be hard to make. It'll be different enough so in a few years If they want to make the other Circus vans they can market both. Having 3 or 4 wagons like this in the range will really make some great trains for engines to pull around layouts or to display at train shows
12 Ton van (Brown)
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Since the announcement of TT7 and already having the Grey 12 ton van, I do worry about the possibility the Grey van will be discontinued, however if there was Brown van to replace it then I think it would please alot of fans. The Brown 12 van is a very popular piece of rolling stock and I think would sell very well. The tooling is there so why not use it.
1 plank with car/load
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Another one I've had for a while is a 1 plank wagon with a car. If Bachmann just repainted STH's car into another colour and popped it on a wagon essentially you'd have 2 items using already existing tooling for 1 product.
Red Open Carriage
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Like most of my picks this uses existing tooling already available. It would be perfect for Christmas and could be added to any Christmas layout or indeed any layout in general. Think how great it'll look with a Figure of Father Christmas inside along with Christmas 12 van or any of the other Christmas Thomas rolling stock.
NG
Millie/Luke
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I agree with Luke or Millie being made next in NG. I'm gonna do both in one. I wouldn't mind either of them being made. Both would look great along with the rest of the range. Millie would be perfect to be paired up with Stephen or working with any of the existing Skarloey engines. Luke would look perfect pulling the Gondolas and high sided wagons. I think both would add something New to the range and can't see any reasons against maybe besides how easy they are to be made into their basis or how well their basis would sell since they are both lesser known compared to Talyllyn.
4 plank wagon
The 4 plank wagon is something that was always shown on the SKR, it can be produced in a verious colours and would appeal to many fans old and new. It honestly feels like it's something the NG range needs.
Brown/tan Brake-van
Again echoing Chaz. It's iconic. We have a red and blue version so it's not a new tooling just a simple recolour that would please many fans and sell very well
Non Rail
Skiff
Now Skiff was introduced in Sodor's legend of the lost treasure along with Ryan. He's a very simple railboat who I'm sure would be a massive hit. He is very unique and extremely versatile in that if his base was removable you could have him either in water or on land. He's that perfect bridge between rolling stock and non rail characters. He wouldn't require couplings as he is never pulled by an engine nor is he ever seen pulling anything behind him. Ryan and Daisy are already in the range, along with Oliver and Duck so he has characters he can be paired with at fairs and trainshows. He's also appears in all engines go so he still has a very broad appeal and lastly like Stephen if there was a figure of Sailor John made he'd look fantastic riding inside Skiff or even if Bachmann made a figure of his new Owner Captain Joe.
N Scale
Again i agree with pretty much everything Chaz has said. I just wanna add a couple of rolling stock pieces.
Bradford
Now my reasoning for this is very simple. Bachmann just introduced the LMS 20 ton Breakvan which is Bradfords basis. It makes sense to utilise the tooling and make Bradford. He sadly is a CGI character with 0 merchandise so if Bachmann made him in N scale I'm sure fans would be thrilled. The tooling is there so why not use it. If Bachmann can make Hannah I see no reason why Bradford can't be made too and this will give the N scale range more of its own identity having things that HO and Large scale don't have which isn't a bad thing. Given we have Hannah and she was worked on along side Henrietta i see no reason why Bradford couldn't be a similar thing. Lastly for Bradford if he is made I'm sure Bachmann can utilise Percy's chassis and make Samson in N scale in the future.
Red express coaches
Since the Green express coaches are being made in N Scale, I see no reason why they can't recycle the tooling for the red express coaches. They were very popular in the classic series and the later CGI series. They are popular in the HO range so that's another thing going in favor of them.
Newly tooled wagon
These last few I've not really got alot to say on. I think the N scale range is desperate for some newly tooled rolling stock, either cattle wagon, Mail cars, salt vans. Just something to put in goods trains.
Tanker/van repaint
Again I've not really got much to say besides pointing out vans and tankers we have in HO or large that aren't available in N. Any would be welcome.
Large scale
80th Anniversary Van/vans
Unfortunately I don't see anything new here besides a repainted van. I'd love to say "Origins James or Edward" but I just don't see a newly tooled engine or even a repainted James being something to bet on. However one of the new HO anniversary vans could be a potential for Large scale, if not those maybe something unique to Large scale.
I'm not saying all this will be announced. Just my ideas. Like I say i agree with most of Chaz's picks, just adding my extras
Mulfred and Chaz both have made good posts as always. Don't really have much more to add to their suggestions I think they are all really good shouts. Maybe some of the more recently released 12-ton batch could be upscaled to G, that'd be fun. I'm sure some people would like to have the circus vans in that scale.
This segways nicely into something I found interesting that I only noticed after my last post. If you take a look between the product numbers of Paxton and LBSC Thomas, it goes from 91408 to 91411. They skip two. Now this is nothing new, HO has done it before, there's in fact a gap of two in rolling stock right now between the now discontinued flatbeds and the scaled down from G scale 3 vans, which may be a placeholder for the chocolate and toffee tanker based on its placement, it could also simply be meaningless, I want to make it clear I could be just looking too deeply at this. But what I'm thinking is they are preparing to introduce at least 2 more characters into G scale, eventually. As said the two skipped slots with the HO rolling stock have not been filled in yet, so it's not something that has to happen immediately, or ever. Actually, this catalogs milk and troublesome truck #7 also fill in codes, and since the milk tanker already has a sample these announcements may have been considered for a little while, which is equally intriguing. Since LBSC Thomas is the one skipping the product codes, I don't think it's either James repaints. They would come after. I could see it being a pair, like Bill and Ben or the Two Rosie's. I could see it being just creating slots for the two 08's coming to HO a while, that way if they are ever introduced, they'll be next to the others. It could also simply be them deciding ok there are two more characters we want to make, let's set slots aside for them. So, as an example, Edward could be 2026 and then Stanley could be 2028. Or whoever. There are a few different options.
I don't want to say anything is guaranteed, even though these product codes were set aside they could decide nothing is worth pursuing later on. But it's interesting enough to make note of, that maybe there is some more new reveals coming. I'm not sure if I'm expecting them at NMRA personally, I think just some 12-ton vans (whether the anniversary ones or some of the other ones from HO) is definitely the safer bet, but at least there is a sign that there may be more to come.
I kinda feel like I'm in the minority here :P But I'd personally really want to see Trevor the Traction Engine.
Trevor's a fan favourite, was featured in both the model and CGI series and would pair up super well with other existing models such as Thomas and especially Edward.
It would also be nice if he was announced in the same year as the 80th as not only is Trevor a character from the original Railway Series books, but Teddy Boston, the best friend of Reverend Wilbert Awdry actually owned the real Trevor, "Fiery Elias". So it could be seen as a nice homage to that as well.
Quote from: RailwayRoundhouse on January 29, 2025, 11:57:17 AMI kinda feel like I'm in the minority here :P But I'd personally really want to see Trevor the Traction Engine.
Trevor's a fan favourite, was featured in both the model and CGI series and would pair up super well with other existing models such as Thomas and especially Edward.
It would also be nice if he was announced in the same year as the 80th as not only is Trevor a character from the original Railway Series books, but Teddy Boston, the best friend of Reverend Wilbert Awdry actually owned the real Trevor, "Fiery Elias". So it could be seen as a nice homage to that as well.
You don't see Trevor brought up in wishlists or predictions nowadays since its been known awhile the main issue is the cost of his tooling for Bachmann to do it faithfully, no doubt more complex than something like ERTL or Bandai's Trevor.
i would like a Trevor but i bought an ertl since there wasn't one available.
A Trevor would be interesting if Bachmann greenlit this character, but I'd rather see how Bulgy turns out since he's the most recent CGI returnee road vehicle character to be made for Bachmann, and whether or not they'll give him decent detailing compared to say Terence (his caterpillar treads look so cheaply made that Thomas would be justified to insult them when they first met).
Speaking of suggestions mentioned here, I think perhaps there might be some additions/alternatives that may be possible if Bachmann does need ideas for their options:
HO/OO: I'm for sure on board with Hiro, Whiff, or Stephen as options as there are possibilities and/or reasons for them to be considered to be made next as mentioned by everyone earlier. Here's my add-ons based on the recent announcements (like the open topped coach):
Glynn: considering that Stephen is someone that pulls the open topped coaches at the Estate Railway (and that's IF Stephen gets the green light), Glynn could be considered too to go along with Stephen considering they usually pair characters that work together as of recent, like they did with Ryan and Daisy. Also, I wouldn't mind them not including the moving eye feature because I doubt they'd be able to fit the mechanics into a tiny Coffee Pot as well as the likes of Stephen too, so if they don't include that feature, I'd be fine with that since Beau has shown us that's possible...
**AND this is assuming if they add on to the Open Topped Coach**
The "Liverpool and Manchester" Railway Coaches: I mean wouldn't these pair really well with the Open Topped Coaches? I mean the possibilities are there if Stephen and/or Glynn do get announced...! Granted, maybe just the ladder part might be the part they may not include for costly reasons, but as long as they get 90% of the detailing there, it should be doable.
The Slip Coaches: seeing Gordon's Special Coaches be suggested for the future, and just like Toby's Museum Coaches be a thing, it's a possibility, it'll be fun to see all 3 models of the Slip Coaches (or as Duck calls them, "Slippies") run behind Duck as if they were on their Sunshine Line back in the day. Probably just modify Spencer's Coach (since it doesn't have those corridor-things) and voila, those 3 Slip Coaches can be doable.
OO9: definitely agree with Luke to go along with the upcoming releases of the BMQ rolling stock recently revealed, especially if Bachmann are still doing their models based on ones they can convert to their real-life counterparts like they did with Skarloey and Sir Handel's models.
Millie: interesting IF Stephen and/or Glynn get announced, as another option for the narrow gauge line of characters to add for the lineup in CGI.
Victor: he'd be great as a pairing IF assuming Hiro gets the green light to be made for the future as well as another option of being another unique looking narrow gauge engine, though the paintwork might be the tricky bit depending on if that's a costly consideration, but hopefully not...
Open Topped Coach: I know what you're thinking, what do you mean? I mean the one that Millie pulls, in other words, the narrow gauge variant since if we got a standard gauge variant, why not a narrow gauge variant too (and that's assuming if Millie herself gets announced to the range)?
**FORGOT TO ADD, but might as well**
Kevin: again, IF Victor gets announced, another pairing to be made to complete the Steamworks Duo AND as a road vehicle crane based character to use to diversify their range (and they haven't had a yellow road character yet, so there's that).
N: obviously after the likes of LBSC Thomas and Origins James be made, definitely would be on board with Edward to be made to complete the first 7 characters. It would be a crime not to include him after announcing Henry, though I feel he'd be announced mid-July like the latter...., so here's my next batch of options after the above characters be finished and all:
Oliver: I mean we got Toad be made for this range, so it certainly make sense for Oliver to be at least considered to be made to be paired with Toad, especially since Henrietta is now paired with Toby.
Duck: another consideration I'd say since he's popular AND since he was announced for release in the European side of the range, that'd be something to be on board with too.
Mavis: since Toby has been made, they could do the same with Mavis in doing the same/similar mechanics from Toby's base, as well as another unique diesel/female character to add to the range.
Rosie (pink and/or red variants at the same time perhaps): I'd be curious if they do release her, release both versions of her at the same time as options for people to choose between old or new versions of a character that while still feels like a missed opportunity, a great livery change nonetheless.
Spiteful Brake Van: since we got Toad added into this part of the range, why not another variant released from HO and Large scale eh?
**And this bit is just my personal bias/wish and probably might not be on the priority list, but one can dream right?**
Donald and Douglas: I mean I'd be down for the Scottish Twins to be made for the range AND their CGI variants being available in this range would be great to see if done right...! I mean they'd only need to use one moulding with minor facial differences, nameplates, and numbers like their HO/OO counterparts.
Bill and Ben: These two like the Scots, can be made with one moulding, but with a bit of modifications like nameplates and faces, and perhaps we can see if alternatively these two may be cheaper to make as twins without tenders.
Arry and Bert: if Bachmann need new Class 08's to add to the range, just without the ladders on Diesel and Paxton, this could be an alternative for them to add new characters with same ol' mouldings too.
Perhaps I have never seen this in the forums but why doesnt bachmann sell different faces? I would eat these up and with how often i see it posted in the facebook thomas group for bachmann. i cant fathom why this isnt already a thing for additional faces to be sold for all the characters? I would break my wallet buying them.
So railway series wagons happening is crazy
What could be next
ULP van
Seen a few times it would just be a a Pink LNER 12 ton van with the letters ULP written on it .
Fred Pelham and rickety
Cancelled in 2005 why not give this item a second chance
FFQ 6 ton wagon
I think that this item is probably the most likely I think it could also be the perfect time to bring back the M wagon alongside it. Which is a product alongside the well wagon which I have suggesting to return for a while .
There were some coaches, but I don't see any RWS coaches happening
As for some TVS rolling stock
We need more cattle and utility vans as well as the tankers which are available in large scale. However, something we desperately need is more brakevans
Bring in the LMS 20 ton van
Bradford , orange , red
We do technically have a decent amount of versions of the BR 20 ton van As cleaning cars however some more versions of it without a face would be nice
A dark purple
Gray with white roof
Another piece of rolling stock I would like to see is Hopper wagons
On the topic of hopper wagons, and if the mandate does not include rolling stock then there is one piece of rolling stock that I have in mind hector the horrid I guarantee you he would fly off the shelves if they made him people would buy him just because he got made .
As for some other stuff
Coaches
Gordon's special coaches I have gone into detail about this before
Spencers brake coach I have gone into detail about this before but it should use the collet brake tooling
long red standard gauge gonalda seen in both model and cgi this item would be a fan favorite
Also there is the brakedown train / Judy and Jeromeand the works unit coaches people have suggested these for a while
Lastly, a rebuilt scruffy, which is him after he was fixed after Oliver torn him apart . Would be nice to see.
Quote from: Coaltronn on January 31, 2025, 08:42:30 AMPerhaps I have never seen this in the forums but why doesnt bachmann sell different faces? I would eat these up and with how often i see it posted in the facebook thomas group for bachmann. i cant fathom why this isnt already a thing for additional faces to be sold for all the characters? I would break my wallet buying them.
I think they just don't see it as an avenue worth pursuing, but with the new Kato faces I wonder if that might make them reconsider which would be neat. Not sure how they did but they're really nice so having some on the western market is definitely worth considering
So we finally have 2 out of the three narrow gauge wagon toolings shown off . Both of which have a painted samples what could be next for narrow gauge rolling stock
The 4 plank wagons or the flatbeds seem like good choices for a new tool but maybe it's a bit too soon for that
What repaints can they do
The red coach is something highly requested by fans and I think it would a be great seller
Brown box and brake vans have also been requested a ton and I do think they would also be good sellers
As for slate wagons
A white varient is missing so they could possibly do that and maybe around the same time as they are doing cycling out some of them maybe replace the loads in the brown and red ones with BMQ blue slate loads
I also think we need troublesome slate wagons
Now Bachmann has been doing cgi trucks as of late but a product motorized Troublsome tanker that only came out after Bachmann made there African oil tanker features a tanker with a classic face so I think this could be viable
I think 2 different Troublsome slate wagons should happen
Shocked and happy
I think they could reuse on these faces for a Sodor tanker if they want to .
Anyway, those are my narrow gauge wagon, predictions. I don't know if any of these would happen this year, but those are them.
How about a model series slate car?
Quote from: JLK2707 on February 14, 2025, 03:47:30 PMHow about a model series slate car?
While it would be novel, I can see it being considered redundant in terms of what the range offers. They get more mileage out of the current slate wagons by being able to sell them as non-Thomas products.
The model series slate trucks known on the wiki as the skalroey slate trucks are nice and actually appear in CGI however they are really redundant as they have a very similar model to it already that is closer to the real life slate trucks from the TR .
I do think adding on faces to the existing slate trucks is the most likely way we could get trouble some slate wagons .
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on February 14, 2025, 05:10:14 PMQuote from: JLK2707 on February 14, 2025, 03:47:30 PMHow about a model series slate car?
While it would be novel, I can see it being considered redundant in terms of what the range offers. They get more mileage out of the current slate wagons by being able to sell them as non-Thomas products.
Not necessarily. If they market it as a Troublesome slate truck 1 (and 2 if possible) first then I see no reason why a newly tooled model series styled slate truck wouldn't benefit the range. The already existing tooling can still be produced and sold as they are. If they introduced a model series style slate truck with a face us Classic series fans would buy in bulk, 5-10 at a time, even with only one or two faces. Plus it's easier to market a Troublesome Truck then a regular wagon. It adds something newly tooled to the range, something Classic series styled and has that marketable factor of having a NG piece of rolling stock with a face. Something I think we all agree would benefit the range. Adding a face to existing slate trucks wouldn't work as the face would be way too small, due to the real life Basis. I see only benefits.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:34:06 PMQuote from: Cheeky_ULP on February 14, 2025, 05:10:14 PMQuote from: JLK2707 on February 14, 2025, 03:47:30 PMHow about a model series slate car?
While it would be novel, I can see it being considered redundant in terms of what the range offers. They get more mileage out of the current slate wagons by being able to sell them as non-Thomas products.
Not necessarily. If they market it as a Troublesome slate truck 1 (and 2 if possible) first then I see no reason why a newly tooled model series styled slate truck wouldn't benefit the range. The already existing tooling can still be produced and sold as they are. If they introduced a model series style slate truck with a face us Classic series fans would buy in bulk, 5-10 at a time, even with only one or two faces. Plus it's easier to market a Troublesome Truck then a regular wagon. It adds something newly tooled to the range, something Classic series styled and has that marketable factor of having a NG piece of rolling stock with a face. Something I think we all agree would benefit the range. Adding a face to existing slate trucks wouldn't work as the face would be way too small, due to the real life Basis. I see only benefits.
Narrow gauge troublesome trucks haven't appeared in CGI, so I would be surprised if Bachmann went that far. Even then, there's other wagons that are better-suited to have a face on their side than the slate trucks are, which in the model era were fitted a bit clumsily.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on February 15, 2025, 02:39:13 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:34:06 PMQuote from: Cheeky_ULP on February 14, 2025, 05:10:14 PMQuote from: JLK2707 on February 14, 2025, 03:47:30 PMHow about a model series slate car?
While it would be novel, I can see it being considered redundant in terms of what the range offers. They get more mileage out of the current slate wagons by being able to sell them as non-Thomas products.
Not necessarily. If they market it as a Troublesome slate truck 1 (and 2 if possible) first then I see no reason why a newly tooled model series styled slate truck wouldn't benefit the range. The already existing tooling can still be produced and sold as they are. If they introduced a model series style slate truck with a face us Classic series fans would buy in bulk, 5-10 at a time, even with only one or two faces. Plus it's easier to market a Troublesome Truck then a regular wagon. It adds something newly tooled to the range, something Classic series styled and has that marketable factor of having a NG piece of rolling stock with a face. Something I think we all agree would benefit the range. Adding a face to existing slate trucks wouldn't work as the face would be way too small, due to the real life Basis. I see only benefits.
Narrow gauge troublesome trucks haven't appeared in CGI, so I would be surprised if Bachmann went that far. Even then, there's other wagons that are better-suited to have a face on their side than the slate trucks are, which in the model era were fitted a bit clumsily.
Neither were the blue coaches, D-fusit, blue brake-van, box vans. Didn't stop Bachmann making them... in terms of rolling stock with a face. Well there's non in CGI and no current tooling out there that would have a face, so regardless it's gonna be newly tooled... it's just the fact it doesn't appeal to YOU. You haven't argued people wouldn't buy it. I know I'd prefer a Troublesome slate truck that was model series styled. I'd buy a rake of them. Many other modellers would too.
If Bachmann made a newly tooled model series style slate truck with a face and marketed it as Troublesome slate truck 1, it would sell and it would sell well, just as much as Red oxide slate wagons, or brown, or tan or anything with a number.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:48:36 PMNeither were the blue coaches, D-fusit, blue brake-van, box vans. Didn't stop Bachmann making them... in terms of rolling stock with a face. Well there's non in CGI and no current tooling out there that would have a face, so regardless it's gonna be newly tooled... it's just the fact it doesn't appeal to YOU. You haven't argued people wouldn't buy it. I know I'd prefer a Troublesome slate truck that was model series styled. I'd buy a rake of them. Many other modellers would too.
I feel the main difference is all of those had photo references Bachmann has received over the years. The narrow gauge troublesome trucks never had any sort of reference material taken in any era of the show, so they'd only have photos from the show itself to go by. All they would need is to use a narrow gauge wagon that has a flat, solid surface for one of its sides.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:48:36 PMit's just the fact it doesn't appeal to YOU. You haven't argued people wouldn't buy it. I know I'd prefer a Troublesome slate truck that was model series styled. I'd buy a rake of them. Many other modellers would too.
I don't really appreciate you making up assumptions about my stance in the discussion that not only have I made no indication is my opinion, but that you boldly state them as though they were. This was a very aggressive, out of left-field accusation to make, and I don't wish to continue discussing this topic with you if this is how you are going to approach peoples responses.
Quote from: Cheeky_ULP on February 15, 2025, 02:55:58 PMQuote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:48:36 PMNeither were the blue coaches, D-fusit, blue brake-van, box vans. Didn't stop Bachmann making them... in terms of rolling stock with a face. Well there's non in CGI and no current tooling out there that would have a face, so regardless it's gonna be newly tooled... it's just the fact it doesn't appeal to YOU. You haven't argued people wouldn't buy it. I know I'd prefer a Troublesome slate truck that was model series styled. I'd buy a rake of them. Many other modellers would too.
I feel the main difference is all of those had photo references Bachmann has received over the years. The narrow gauge troublesome trucks never had any sort of reference material taken in any era of the show, so they'd only have photos from the show itself to go by. All they would need is to use a narrow gauge wagon that has a flat, solid surface for one of its sides.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 02:48:36 PMit's just the fact it doesn't appeal to YOU. You haven't argued people wouldn't buy it. I know I'd prefer a Troublesome slate truck that was model series styled. I'd buy a rake of them. Many other modellers would too.
I don't really appreciate you making up assumptions about my stance in the discussion that not only have I made no indication is my opinion, but that you boldly state them as though they were. This was a very aggressive, out of left-field accusation to make, and I don't wish to continue discussing this topic with you if this is how you are going to approach peoples responses.
Yes but there's still reference metaerial for the slate trucks, I can find it on the wiki.
(https://i.gyazo.com/dc699d250b1949b59297369ee868dbdf.jpg)
It's not like Troublesome truck 3 or 4 or 5 had ruler photos to work off. And well I apologise but that's the impression I got based on your response. If I'm wrong I'm willing to admit it. I'm not arguing I'm simply saying there's a case to made for them, reference photos are available and how many of us Thomas modellers would eat them up. Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to I was just pointing out they aren't redundant.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 03:05:50 PMYes but there's still reference metaerial for the slate trucks, I can find it on the wiki. It's not like Troublesome truck 3 or 4 or 5 had ruler photos to work off.
I know there's references of the regular slate trucks, I believe both Season 4 and the HiT era had some. It's just a matter of a "troublesome" variant, which are less common, and as stated before, would be a bit of trouble to design with a face in mind. I think the coal truck tooling would be better suited for "troublesome" narrow gauge wagons.
Quote from: Mulfred100 on February 15, 2025, 03:05:50 PMAnd well I apologise but that's the impression I got based on your response. If I'm wrong I'm willing to admit it. I'm not arguing I'm simply saying there's a case to made for them, reference photos are available and how many of us Thomas modellers would eat them up. Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to I was just pointing out they aren't redundant.
Apology accepted but please don't assume something if I haven't directly stated it; I would personally like narrow gauge troublesome trucks and I think they would be fun additions to the range, it's just a matter of picking the right wagon tooling, and I don't think the model-era slate trucks would be a good choice manufacturing wise due to the size of the scale and the slate wagons design. The coal trucks would probably be a better fit with those factors in mind for manufacturing.
I had more ideas of other stuff that popped in my head again. (i always seem to come up with a lot of ideas lately).
the new ideas that I got are den and dart. (let me just say I always thought they weren't that bad of characters when they were first introduced i feel the episodede den and dart in season 19 gave them more development).
i also think they could do them just to give a more of verity of diesels for the range. since there's a lot of class 08 shunters in the range. (both versions of diesel the now discontinued arry and bert paxton and soon sidney and the mainland diesel). just thought den and dart could bring a little more verity of diesels.
the other is a ventilated van that's similar to the upcoming ones for the 80th anniversary. this one is a special one as a memorial van. one that has the names to honor the people involved with thomas.
the rev w. awdry who started the franchise with the railway series.
david mitton who directed all seven seasons.
George carlin the second us narrator.
Ben forster who did the mr. perkins segments. (I enjoyed the ones from the brenner era more than the early ones I just always thought the latter ones where more enjoyable to me).
Michael angeles the second uk narrator.
and of course britt allcroft the creator of the show. (I didn't write on here but I was sad about her death and she made a lot of joy in the world with the show).
I just thought a van with all the people listed that are no longer with us would be fitting as a tribute to what they've brought enjoyment to the franchise all these years.
so those were more ideas I've came up with. so I thought a van paying tribute to them would be a real special one in thier memory.
so those were more ideas I came up with. (I may come up with more as always I'll just see what else I may think about).
Tbh i think the 2025 new engine should be Harvey he is the last standard gauge steam engine from the classic series that would comply with the CGI mandate that they have yet to make I definitely think he would be a bit more expensive but would be worth it
But how would Harvey's crane operate?
Quote from: JLK2707 on February 17, 2025, 03:54:39 PMBut how would Harvey's crane operate?
The same way the Wooden Railway, Take Along, Trackmaster, and Nakayoshi models did. The crane arm would just swivel. I'm sure a winch mechanism could be fitted, and the wheel on the side could act as the control to raise and lower the hook.
Personally, I'm rallying behind Harvey and I hope it happens.
Quote from: RailsByRick on February 17, 2025, 06:00:53 PMQuote from: JLK2707 on February 17, 2025, 03:54:39 PMBut how would Harvey's crane operate?
The same way the Wooden Railway, Take Along, Trackmaster, and Nakayoshi models did. The crane arm would just swivel. I'm sure a winch mechanism could be fitted, and the wheel on the side could act as the control to raise and lower the hook.
Personally, I'm rallying behind Harvey and I hope it happens.
I second this. I'm all for characters who appeared in the model eras and Harvey is an excellent one. I truly believe that Harvey can be done and would sell extremely well. After all, if they can make Cranky in 2002, I have full confidence that Harvey is not only a possibility, but would undoubtedly prove a profitable one for Bachmann. It should also be worth mentioning that if Harvey were to hopefully be announced, this would also mean that this would be the first time his real life basis would be available in a ready to run form.
In the off-chance that Bachmann needs an alternative recolors to existing characters, here's my suggestion/ideas for them to think about:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/f/fc/Salty%27sSurprise27.png/revision/latest?cb=20151125173601
Green Salty:
With the re-issue of Salty (as far as I'm aware of), we could have a Green Salty as a fun little color variant from that one episode that is kind of dull in the Nitrogen era (also since we got a Yellow Rheneas from Blue Mountain Mystery that contrasted his usual Red-Orange paintwork)...
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/b/b1/BillorBen%3F110.png/revision/latest?cb=20180807204328
Blue Bill & Ben
Oh man, having Twins be colored blue like from Bill or Ben is a fun idea because they're a two-for-one deal in that not only their boilers would be painted blue, but also their wheels too....! The only thing that needs to be changed slightly is their nameplates of who's who...! Not sure if they'd even be able to do this with how Bachmann released them as their Model era counterparts, w/ their detailing that was added in the CGI series by this point, but hey who knows since we got a LBSC Thomas & Origins James model, perhaps just not add anything and just change the paintwork...
Hello, I'm new to this thread, But I would like to add on the future suggestions. To begin, I think Bachmann Should make Rocky the Rescue Crane with DCC on Board. the DCC Decoder will power functions like raising and lowering the arm, raising and lowering the hook (Connected to the piston rod and Crankshaft), and rotating the crane body through 360 degrees of rotation (Connected to a moving eye Mechanism).
Bachmann Should also release Judy and Jerome in my opinion. Again to reiterate, the same functions that are on Rocky, should also be on Judy and Jerome as well as a DCC Decoder
what do you guys think?
While it would be a novel idea, I think something like that in an OO scale Thomas branded range would be astronomical in cost and difficult to make working to those specifications.
The idea of Rocky plus Judy & Jerome being made is a perfect idea, BUT without the DCC because as much as the idea is great, it'll come down to the cost. Like Cheeky_ULP said, and also down to the previous mentioning of Harvey and Diesel 10, their extended arms (Harvey, Rocky, and Judy & Jerome's crane arms and/or Diesel 10's Pinchy) would alone add to the cost of the extra parts to be made. I'd shudder to think that Rocky himself would somehow end up being the Rebecca equivalent to being an expensive rolling stock, but who knows....
These are cool ideas, but honestly, I think that these arms should just be poseable and if they were made their arms would be poseable and not DCC compatible as the price would very much just be too expensive if Bachmann were to make a Diesel 10 Rocky Harvey etc I imagine they would be poseable and not operable.
However I would LOVE to see them do Rocky
Green Salty could be cool.
Maybe you guys are right. Without DCC, Rocky, Judy, Jerome, Harvey, and Diesel 10 would be possible, I think Bachmann should make Rocky, Harvey, Judy and Jerome without DCC, but rather with a long key to operate their functions like for Rocky (in this case) maybe a sliding door to access the arm winch and an external axle where the key engages to operate the hook. There should also be a crane body rotation through 360 degrees without the said key. (I can say the same thing for Judy and Jerome.) For Harvey, only the winch and the crane arm rotation are possible, one of them without a key (rotation of the arm) and one with the said key (raising and lowering the hook), Diesel 10 on the other hand is a different story, he should have pinchy being posed by mini hydraulic cylinders with metal pistons and plastic cylinder jackets. However, it may not be possible to add miniature hydraulic pistons to open and close pinchy, despite being able to rotate. In fact, the whole arm on Diesel 10 should rotate through 360 degrees. Apart from those 5 characters, I sure would like to see more Thomas & Friends and railway series characters being released by Bachmann trains.
How possible would it be for Bachmann trains to model Mike, jock, Rex, and Bert the miniature engines?
I would love these in the HOn30 range
I actually would want to see the aresldale engines produced. (they were another one of the characters I had in mind for them to do). I just didn't know if they could or not. (they were always my no. 1 picks of characters from the railway series that didn't make it into the show until they finailly did in sodor's legend of the lost treasure). think it would be great with the three small railway engines.
and since i've seen everyone suggesting for harvey (he is another one I did wanted them to do). except the only issue is I just don't know how they would do him with the crane. (they may surprise us if they do him).if they did him we would have both of the major highlighted characters from season 6 him and salty.
and for lastly a reannouncement of duncan. (yes I'm adding duncan again but this time I'm hoping they'd reannounce him again like they did with diesel for the g scale line).
and for the future when the mandate is done. I have a few characters from the older seasons I'd hope they do. (again this is for when the mandate is over with.
Duke (just would like to finish off with the main 7 narrow guage engines).
stepney (he has been the most requested character for bachmann to do and I've always wanted him in the range like everyone else). hopefully he would be the first one they do after the mandate is over with.
d261 (to go with stepney).
and lastly is a different choice and it is arthur. I can say after rewatching season 7 out of the five new characters arthur is probably my favorite of the bunch. (now emily grew on me in latter years and she is in my top 3 favorites of the characters introduced in season's 6 and 7). salty is no. 1 (he was always my favorite of the post season 4 characters). harvey (for being a unique different engine with a crane). and emily at 3 (for growing on me in latter years I prefer how she was with her season 7 and brenner era personality than what they turned her into afterwards). here's why he was going to be named Clarence originally but was changed to arthur as he was named after a child's late grandfather from a contest. second I think of the new characters from season 7 i think he had a lot of potential that they could of done with him of he had returned in the latter seasons. (I remember reading on the show wiki triva for him was brought up for the inspiration of the paint for Ryan). I like his design and he's now in the top 4 favorite list of the newbies from season's 6 and 7.
but as I always say we will see what the future may bring.
Well regardless of what characters we want to see being made by Bachmann trains, I'm sure they can be good products. Besides, Bachmann have yet to make Z gauge EZ track (For Z gauge locomotives and for the miniature engines on the arlesdale miniature railway, and n scale rack and pinion track, (specifically for the engines on the Culdee fell mountain railway) but that's for another thread.
So if the CGI mandate does not apply to rolling stock then I have some suggestions of a rolling stock character I think that would a fantastic seller for the line
Hector
Hopper wagons are done all the time for Bachmann so I know he would be a peice of cake for the designers and he would sell well as fans would want to prove to Bachmann that model era exclusive characters can sell well .
Hi all,
We appreciate the suggestions. We were uncertain as to how to handle this topic, but as it's come up many times now, I feel I need to address one piece of speculation:
Bachmann does not have a CGI "mandate" from Mattel. We are not required or forced to make exclusively CGI character and items, as can be seen from items like the 80th Anniversary set, the China Clay Wagons, the Museum Coaches, S.C. Ruffey, etc.
It's been our choice to focus primarily on characters that have appeared in the CGI series, particularly the engines. We do this in order to have a strong relationship with Mattel and to help promote their brand, by making sure to highlight engines that are most recognizable to children watching the newer seasons of the show. While all of our models do need to be approved by Mattel, they've never outright forced us to only create CGI products.
We'd love to do every character across all eras of the franchise someday- we just can't say when or if all of them will be feasible. But never say never!
Thanks for clearing that up for the fans. Here's hoping the BACHMANN line is around for another 23 years so we can get those characters.
To be frank. I never thought we'd have as many as we do now way back in 2005.
I really appreciate the clarification .Bachmann really has been doing a job making characters like Daisy or Stanley or fan loved CGI only characters like Ryan to fit in with Daisy on the harwick branchline .
I will say though if Bachmann were to make some engines that never returned to cgi I think that Awdry created characters BoCo and Stepney
Overall I know there are characters that kids are likely to recognize that will sell well such as Nia or
Philip
There are also fan beloved characters who are more recognizable such as Hiro Porter or Whiff.
For the characters it's been years since they appeared in the show and only appeared a handful of times characters like gator or Timothy are not that fan loved or beloved by kids and I am starting to wonder how they compare in popularity to BoCo or Stepney
BoCo and Stepney would be cool. I'd just get them in a heartbeat.
Quote from: Yard Master on March 11, 2025, 09:37:43 AMHi all,
We appreciate the suggestions. We were uncertain as to how to handle this topic, but as it's come up many times now, I feel I need to address one piece of speculation:
Bachmann does not have a CGI "mandate" from Mattel. We are not required or forced to make exclusively CGI character and items, as can be seen from items like the 80th Anniversary set, the China Clay Wagons, the Museum Coaches, S.C. Ruffey, etc.
It's been our choice to focus primarily on characters that have appeared in the CGI series, particularly the engines. We do this in order to have a strong relationship with Mattel and to help promote their brand, by making sure to highlight engines that are most recognizable to children watching the newer seasons of the show. While all of our models do need to be approved by Mattel, they've never outright forced us to only create CGI products.
We'd love to do every character across all eras of the franchise someday- we just can't say when or if all of them will be feasible. But never say never!
After being discussed for like, several years, it was finally time for one of the admins to debunk the CGI mandate.
Turns out the CGI mandate isn't real, and was nothing more than a myth. Bachmann isn't
forced to stick with characters that only appeared in the CGI series. They just
CHOOSE to stick with engines that appeared in the CGI series in order to have a strong relationship with Mattel, and highlight engines that would be most recognizable to the younger fans. While it is true that all products do need to be approved by Mattel, they never forced Bachmann to
ONLY make CGI series characters.
So this means that characters like Stepney, BoCo, or Duke are still worth discussing. Although they've never
officially appeared in the CGI series,
that doesn't mean they'll never be made. Though they do have fan-made CGI renders as seen in fan-made productions. Splatter and Dodge are still possible, especially since their tooling actually exists.
Now that the CGI mandate has been debunked, we can stop talking about that, and still suggest characters, even if they didn't appear in full CGI.
I just take back what I said about Mattel with this.
I would just love Splatter and Dodge in HO Scale.