New engine on the railroad

[Trainman203]

[Ken G Price]

Wow, very nice indeed!

[Trainman203]

I bought it from a guy, already decaled.  He is a master modeler, his layout was in the 2010 Model Railroader great layouts or something.  He went diesel, to my benefit.

[K487]

"He went diesel."   WOW, that sounds really bad.  Maybe he needs steam therapy. 

K487

[J3a-614]

I agree, very nice.  Is that a factory paint job or have you re-done it?  The lettering looks especially nice and I like the style of the tender, too.

My Ten Wheelers came with a larger tender and were undecorated:




Wayne

As a bit of a reminder, Bachmann's Ten Wheelers, as originally produced, came in two versions.  One was a low boiler and low drivered version, based on a pair of engines (built by Baldwin) owned by the Maryland & Pennsylvania.  This is the version Trainman has.  Dr. Wayne got the high boiler and high drivered version, which was a sort of generic model of a stock Baldwin used by a number of railroads, most notably in the Deep South.  Nevada Northern's No. 40 is also an example of this standard locomotive.  

http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/9/0/8/7908.1324838376.jpg

http://www.traintalk.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Double-Headed-Locos-40-and-93.jpg

Some posters here have wondered about the domes, claiming they made the engines look old.  Perhaps they do, but that doesn't make the locomotive old--Baldwin used that pattern for quite a number of years as a stock item.  There are photographs of engines using that style of dome that were built well into the 1930s.  These machines included logging Mallets and the last camelbacks built, a series of big superheated 0-8-0s on the Lehigh & New England from 1927.

http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/

L&NE 1927 0-8-0:

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/lne122s.jpg

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/lne120sa.jpg

Those domes weren't limited to shortline power.  Take a look at the steam dome on this Erie 4-6-2:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7194/6904273733_976fbd0676_b.jpg

The Erie had those domes on 2-8-0s as well:

http://i1.wp.com/www.erierailroad.org/historical/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/erie_h-21a_1679.jpg

http://www.railarchive.net/randomsteam/images/erie1639.jpg

A large fat version was used as the sand dome on this 2-8-2, which was actually built by Brooks in 1912:

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/mikado/erie3062.jpg

Great Northern apparently used them, too:

http://www.gngoat.org/gn_steam_15.jpg

If Roger and Wayne were disappointed at the domes, well, they have a bit of a reason to be--both of them model Canadian inspired prototypes, and it seems Baldwin engines weren't very common there!

[J3a-614]

A bit about tenders--Bachmann's high drivered and high boilered 4-6-0 comes with the tender also used on the Russian Decapod.  It's not a terrible choice, but I'm not sure too many such 4-6-0s had such a tank, though it's conceivable one may have been swapped at some point.

Nevada Northern 40 has something like the low tender.  Part of how that fits together is that the 40 has a two-level deck, with the center being lower than the sides.

http://steamengineresource.weebly.com/uploads/4/1/5/5/41554255/7454605.jpg?826

http://piute-mountain.com/nnrr0211/

Another engine that features this is New Hope & Ivyland No. 40, a 2-8-0:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BN47EOEpdIM/maxresdefault.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c5/45/63/c545633d33b8891837f17a949e1247a3.jpg

I recently had the chance to acquire a high-boiler 4-6-0, and I'm looking at how it might be possible to modify it to an engine with a two level deck, and mating it to a lower tender, something that would be more typical than the tank that's with it now.

[Ray Dunakin]

First, very nice job on kit bashing those locos!

Second, thanks for the info about the differences between the two types of locos. Very interesting and informative!

[J3a-614]

My second choice was to build them, not modified too much at all, to represent two NYC locomotives which worked out of St. Thomas, Ontario.  They would have been a very good match, but I don't have an interchange with NYC, which would make it difficult to explain their presence.

What did bother me was their slide valve cylinders, like those Nevada Northern locos, which indicates a non-superheated locomotive.  Domes perform their designated function regardless of their style, the latter which is often a choice made by the railroad's mechanical department.  The stepped design is an older one, but roads like the Erie were very traditional in their appearance preferences, despite having some otherwise very technically-modern steam locomotives.
I had already converted my slide valve Mogul to piston valves, so these Ten Wheelers pretty-well would have gotten the same upgrade or been scrapped and replaced with more modern (and probably bigger) power.
There was nothing wrong with the appearance of Bachmann's locomotive, I simply wanted something that looked like it belonged to the same road that ran modern stoker-equipped Consolidations as their main "heavy" power.

Wayne

Wonderful logic, of course!  

Item of note--perhaps it was the article that appeared in Trains in the 1950s, but those two old Ten Wheelers on the NYC in Canada apparently got to be famous, famous enough to be in Wikipedia:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Central_1290_and_1291

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-1290-36.jpg

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-1290-23.jpg

Looking at the Nevada Northern engines, both are superheated and have a variation of the Economy conversion steam chest; the giveaways are the external steam pipes from the smokebox to the valve chests (on a slide valve engine, this passage was normally inside the cylinder block). the higher than normal valve chests, and the round access opening that's visible on the opening shot of No. 40, located on the steam chest. 

Finally, I have to echo the note expressed by one or two others here--that the modeling work is top-notch.  I wish I could do as well!

[J3a-614]

Interesting to see what looks like a scratchbuilt cylinder block on the former B&M model!  I've done cabs and a couple of other things that were relatively simple, but not that.

I've got to ask, how did you get good performance out of the IHC model?  The one I saw years ago ran smooth and quiet, but the starting speed seemed high; wouldn't "creep" at all. 

Maybe the control system made a difference. . .

[rogertra]

Nice job Wayne.


Cheers


Roger T.