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Fueling Oil Locomotives.

Started by Archertl, July 08, 2012, 10:03:08 PM

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Archertl

I all of the locomotives on my layout are oil burning. I would like to accurately model fueling of these locomotives in a logging/branch line type railroad. When I accurately model I mean the equipment and oil storage tank. A have not been able to find anything on this subject except a video of a southern pacific 4-6-0 beening fueled at a large depot.

richg

The oil had to be heated. Steam was used, Oil columns to fill the tender. Smilar to water columns.

Look at the below links.

http://tinyurl.com/chtw3lf

http://tinyurl.com/74mj6zl

http://tinyurl.com/7x458lk

Rich

J3a-614

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Oil fueling facilities for a shortline or industrial road (which is what a logging outfit is) can be very basic.  Essentially all you need is a tank of some sort, a track to deliver oil to if the oil comes in by rail (and I think we want that!), an oil delivery penstock (more on that), and appropriate piping and possibly pumps as needed.

The material I've seen on oil fueling for shortlines is very often a raised tank of some sort, relying on gravity to feed the oil to a penstock somewhere.  Pumps in this case would be used to raise the oil to tank level.  This facility on the former narrow-gauge lines of the Southern Pacific is probably pretty typical:

http://www.girr.org/girr/relics/spng/tanks_small.jpg

The page from which this image came:

http://www.girr.org/girr/relics/spng/spng.html

Still looking (and not finding too much), but this discussion may help.  Do take note that oil-fired locomotives also carried a small box of sand and a scoop for same in the cab or on the tender.  This was to "sand the flues," or "sand her out."  Oil burning locomotives could and did acquire a layer of soot inside the firebox and tubes.  Soot is an excellent insulator, and it didn't take too much to interfere with the heat from the fire reaching the water you wanted to boil.  The treatment for this was to throw some sand into the firebox when the engine was working hard (such as on a grade); the sand would scour out the soot, and also give an immense cloud of smoke, as you might imagine.  Coal burners didn't have that problem; the cinders did the scouring there.

http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/92713/1093016.aspx

The Cass Scenic Railroad in West Virginia had two oil-burning locomotives at one time.  They had a couple of tank cars that they parked on the raised track to the coaling platform.  Gravity again did the work of getting the oil to the tenders.  This operation has since been discontinued with the return of No. 3 to its home road, and the conversion of No. 2 to coal firing.

http://www.msrlha.org/p-operations-2/slides/19750600-0007s.html

While on the subject of Cass, I couldn't resist adding this photo of how taking on water was often done on logging outfits--just suck it out of a stream or pond with the steam siphon on the locomotive:

http://www.msrlha.org/p-operations-2/slides/19750300-23s.html

Lots of photo libraries here, have fun; you may find inspiration here, even though this road is in West Virginia:

http://www.msrlha.org/

Another West Virginia shortline with a logging operation, and another source of material, even if not quite in your neck of the woods:

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/

http://www.buffalocreekandgauley.com/OPERATIONS/ERCLOps/ERCLOps.html

Finally, I don't have a photo from an online source to post, but "Logging Railroads of the West" by Frederick Kramer has a photo of a Weyerhaeuser Timber Company Mallet taking on fuel from a tank car.  The car has a pump on it, driven by steam from the locomotive.

Hope all this helps out.

In the meantime, just for more fun, a couple of more pages on logging locomotives:

http://loggingmallets.railfan.net/

http://www.gearedsteam.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzKnDZSP1mo&feature=player_embedded#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_haZIk4GXzI&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtIEOliBbo0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDJkzW7ligQ

Check out the switchback operation at 4:00 in this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NJQAIqkWI

http://photos.christophernowlan.com/West-Virginia/Cass-Scenic-Railroad/13112858_Bbb9qN#!i=952617965&k=AMBAf

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/291282/

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/395206/

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?railroad=Cass%20Scenic%20Railroad

Have fun!

Added:  One of Rich G's link pages had a section on the oil tank cars used for the Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railway.  This was a switching road in New York City that relied on oil-fired tank engines into the 1960s.  The oil tankers used on this road look a lot like the ones used by Weyerhaeuser, complete with pumps and plumbing on the running boards, and the high running boards on some cars, with handrails:

http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/bedt/BEDTNonRevenueEquipment.html

(Thanks, Rich G.)

Archertl

Those are some great resources J3a-614. My layout is based in West Virginia so that makes the provided info that much more usable.
I saw a clip of the firebox sanding prosess on a old railfan video I have I think it was of a cass locomotive.