B&O Power (Suggestions)

[J3a-614]

That's the date of the merger between the C&O and the B&O.  It was the beginning of the end of the B&O (and would eventually result in the three-way merger with the Western Maryland to become the Chessie System).

Even then, the merger was a rather gradual thing.  The B&O portion, for instance, still operated under its original charter until the formation of CSX.  In fact, when you see equipment lettered "System" in some form, or perhaps "Lines," (as in New York Central System or Pennsylvania Lines), this is an indication of a railroad with several corporate entities (usually a result of mergers) in which the subsidiary entities have not been completely digested, usually for tax or accounting reasons.

Came across some more steam footage on the B&O--from the 1970s!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXIEG31HKRA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJorlcjxvvw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BoMFZcnDI&feature=related

Who cares about loud paint with a nice loud stack?

[J3a-614]

B&O 4-6-2 footage, in larger scales--in live steam!

In Gauge 1, in Switzerland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAhHjYn2sFA

At the Chesapeake & Allegheny Live Steamers set-up in Leakin Park, Baltimore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXekQMVxbbQ&feature=related

Chessie Steam Special again, with WM F-units for dynamic braking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG1V2nXdi24&playnext_from=TL&videos=2lhVOhnMy_c&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh%2Bdiv-1r-3-HM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDKLiTYez5o&NR=1

Nice to have more money for bigger toys!

[J3a-614]

A B&O photo link (partially accessed in past posts):

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo.html

The most interesting photos are those of P-7s, particularly later rebuilds, such as P-7cs, P-7ds, and so on.  These are the closest prototypes to Mantua's 4-6-2:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s106ags.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s104.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5314ahn.jpg

One of the interesting things to note is that the P-7 class and its variations were never painted black.  As delivered in 1927, they were painted an olive or pullman green, with gold lettering and red and gold pinstriping; the PRR in that time used a similar striping pattern that had actually been in use for passenger power since the 19th century.  After 1940, the 5300s lost their names, and were painted blue, like the passenger trains they pulled.  Some color photos follow; take note that wheels and running gear are usually black:

Location is Cumberland, Md., east of the station, and about to pass the pre-civil war rolling mill where the B&O for a time made its own rails, a necessity in a time that preceeded a large commercial steel industry in Pittsburgh; sadly demolished only in the 1970s.  We have lost too much:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5309dhn.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5309alr.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5309hba.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5308ahn.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s531ac.jpg

Did I say the wheels and running gear were black?  Does this engine (an unrebuilt P-7)have blue drivers? 

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5307o.jpg

Finally, a video link for 2-8-8-0 (even though this is an HO forum):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYdJyYNfues&feature=related

Enjoy.

[J3a-614]

Should have remembered this one, B&O class D-30:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=Locomotive&scale=H&manu=walthers&item=&keywords=0-6-0&words=restrict&instock=Q&split=30&Submit=Search

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-67300

Seem to have been used on lighter jobs, such as working in the Baltimore area, as opposed to shoving hoppers over a hump at Cumberland.

Bachmann also makes this, but I would get a "2-6-2" that is based on it and replace the tank and remove the leading and trailing trucks; reason for this is that the 2-6-2 has valve gear that is missing from the 0-6-0 proper.

Have fun.

[Johnson Bar Jeff]

The most interesting photos are those of P-7s, particularly later rebuilds, such as P-7cs, P-7ds, and so on.  These are the closest prototypes to Mantua's 4-6-2:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s106ags.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s104.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-s5314ahn.jpg

One of the interesting things to note is that the P-7 class and its variations were never painted black.  As delivered in 1927, they were painted an olive or pullman green, with gold lettering and red and gold pinstriping; the PRR in that time used a similar striping pattern that had actually been in use for passenger power since the 19th century.  After 1940, the 5300s lost their names, and were painted blue, like the passenger trains they pulled.  Some color photos follow; take note that wheels and running gear are usually black.

Did I say the wheels and running gear were black?  Does this engine (an unrebuilt P-7)have blue drivers? 

So, then, there was prototype precedent for Mantua/Tyco painting the pacifics used in the "Royal Blue" train sets blue. 

[ebtnut]

Yes, they were painted blue, but the Mantua color was much too light.  The Royal Blue was a very dark blue - almost a Navy blue. 

[Doneldon]

EBT- Here's one for you.  Only in the Navy.  Navy blue is actually black.  My wife and I go 'round and 'round about this every time either of us gets something which is dark blue or black.  But in this case, blue is black.  All I have to do to prove it is drag out my old dress blues, er, blacks, er, oh, what the hell?

[pdlethbridge]

You'll know the tender is black ( navy blue ) if it has 13 buttons on the front

[jonathan]

You're gonna have me singing Anchors Aweigh if you're not careful

[pdlethbridge]

And I'll throw a bucket of prop wash over your head if you do!

[Woody Elmore]

I think that B&O navy blue falls into the same category as PRR brunswick green!

[Johnson Bar Jeff]

I think that B&O navy blue falls into the same category as PRR brunswick green!

I was thinking the same thing after I viewed those B&O pictures. Brunswick Green: Can't tell it from black! 

Or so they say. ... 

[RAM]

How the world has changed.  When I was in the navy, They wanted everyone to know that you were a U.S. service man.  Now if you are over seas they don't want people to know that you are a U.S. service person.  I guess they have good reasons for that today.  Any way I am glad I was able to serve my country.

[Johnson Bar Jeff]

How the world has changed.  When I was in the navy, They wanted everyone to know that you were a U.S. service man.  Now if you are over seas they don't want people to know that you are a U.S. service person.  I guess they have good reasons for that today.

You can say that twice and mean it! 

[BaltoOhioRRfan]

I don't know how good this is, but it is a correct prototype for the B&O (Q-3 class, 100 engines, No. 4500 is in the museum), although the B&O went in for a high headlight and of course would move the bell, too.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/187-5171

Incidently, very often these engines had footboard pilots, and footboards on the tenders, too.  I wonder if Bachmann has spare footboards available, like those on the rear of the various C&O tenders.  They're a handy item to put on other engines, including my own Bachmann NYC 2-8-0 that I hope to put to work on a Kanawha & Michigan connecting line on my C&O/Virginian layout (if I ever get around to building the monster).

I need to get a round tuit.  My problem is, all I have are square tuits. . .

. . .I know, bad joke. . .

B&O had some mikes with the center headlight, just not many.

Johathan wondered about the IHC 2-10-2.  Reportedly it runs quite well, but the design can best be described as generic; closest thing it resembles is an AT&SF engine with a C&O cab.  What you could do if you were ambitious enough would be to pick up one of these engines and a Rvarossi/AHM B&O Big Six and graft the Big Six boiler, cylinders, trailing truck, and tender onto the IHC mechanism (which I seem to recall also has the long-frame Baker valve gear of the Big Six).  At least one commercial custom builder will do this for you for a price; links follow:

http://eddystonelocomotives.com/

http://eddystonelocomotives.com/BOSteamPower.htm

http://eddystonelocomotives.com/bigsixfix.htm

http://eddystonelocomotives.com/howtoorder.htm

http://eddystonelocomotives.com/orderform20.htm

Alternately, you could just go with double-headed 2-8-2s.  That's what the B&O used east of Brunswick, Md. because of the short turntable at the Riverside roundhouse in Baltimore.  Bigger power did go there, including EM-1 2-8-8-4s for overhauls, but did not run there on a regular basis because to turn the longer power required the use of a wye track, and that in turn tied up a part of the main line!  On the other hand, why not improve operating efficiency with bigger steam power?  After all, a proper railroad uses black locomotives that pull nice long trains and burn West Virginia coal!

Thats what I did to my two Rivarossi Big 6's and i put on a Bachmann spectrum tender. swapping the ineternal board with the IHC.

I see ebay is offering a Rivarossi 2-10-2 and a Mallet.  They both look nice.  I haven't joined the ebay shoppers of the world.  Still make me nervous... If I saw 'em at a train show, I'd snap 'em up in a heartbeat.

I got my 2-8-8-0 at the GSMTS for $160, seemed resonable and i'm afraid to run it to much because i dont wanna handel it to much!



Jonathan

Heres a B&O mountain i did using a spectrum heavy, resembles the ones B&O got from the B&M




an here is a shot of IHC's 2-10-2, its got great pulling power and speed control, just lacks detailing.